The War in Ukraine

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

In August, FD wuz mucking up and bungling da Afghanistan pull out, aina?

Yes.  But I think four years of gushing from the previous President was probably more of a factor.  But you never seem to realize that.

[jesmu84]

Yes.  But I think four years of gushing from the previous President was probably more of a factor.  But you never seem to realize that.

Or that the prior president had already negotiated/committed to leaving

[MuggsyB]

Kasparov is very critical of this administration and basically predicted this would happen for many months while the media called him crazy.

[Hards Alumni]

Kasparov is very critical of this administration and basically predicted this would happen for many months while the media called him crazy.

Kasparov has always hated Putin and fled Russia over a decade ago.  He has as much knowledge of the situation as any other citizen political analyst.

He can't go back to Russia.

[Pakuni]

Kasparov is very critical of this administration and basically predicted this would happen for many months while the media called him crazy.

Who called him crazy?

[MuggsyB]

Kasparov has always hated Putin and fled Russia over a decade ago.  He has as much knowledge of the situation as any other citizen political analyst.

He can't go back to Russia.

He's more knowledgeable and obviously smarter than anyone here Hards. 

[MuggsyB]

Who called him crazy?

Several media people unless I'm imagining things. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

He's been called crazy because he has a lot of crazy thoughts.  I just don't recall him being called crazy because he predicted the invasion of Ukraine.  And I don't even recall him doing that.

Regardless, his opinion of this stuff isn't terribly relevant to me.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Several media people unless I'm imagining things.

Such as? Again, what do you think should have been done in August?

On another note, both the Czech Republic and Germany sending more heavy equipment including tanks and fighting vehicles. Seems to me tanks could be considered offensive weapons like MiGS are.

[Pakuni]

Several media people unless I'm imagining things.

Receipts?
You said "the media" called him crazy for predicting in August that Russia might invade Ukraine (which was about 7 years after Russia invaded Ukraine).
Who called him crazy?

[rocky_warrior]

basically predicted this would happen for many months

Whoa.  Didn't basically everyone know this would happen since mid 2021?  If you can find some evidence of non-crazy people calling it impossible I'd love to see that.

[Uncle Rico]

Several media people unless I'm imagining things.

Considering Kasparov is widely quoted in many circles and I don’t seem to recall the crazy comments, I’d also like to see the receipts.

I could see the Putin apologists in right wing media calling him crazy but I don’t even recall that

[MuggsyB]

Whoa.  Didn't basically everyone know this would happen since mid 2021?  If you can find some evidence of non-crazy people calling it impossible I'd love to see that.

No one said it was impossible but I was called psychotic even though some of my views are similar to Kasparov's.  Frankly he's warned about Putin for about a decade.

[MuggsyB]

He's been called crazy because he has a lot of crazy thoughts.  I just don't recall him being called crazy because he predicted the invasion of Ukraine.  And I don't even recall him doing that.

Regardless, his opinion of this stuff isn't terribly relevant to me.

Why not?  His views are irrelevant but CNN/Fox people are worth listening to?  The man has a lot of knowledge and is probably a genius.  Why would you not want to hear his opinions even if you disagree Fluffy?

[JWags85]

Why not?  His views are irrelevant but CNN/Fox people are worth listening to?  The man has a lot of knowledge and is probably a genius.  Why would you not want to hear his opinions even if you disagree Fluffy?

There are many geniuses who espouse opinions and "facts" on things they have no specialty or intricate knowledge of.  Kasparov is an incredible chess player and obviously a very intelligent person, but that alone doesn't make him an expert on foreign policy, nor does it mean he should automatically be listened to.  Ted Kaczynski is a certifiable genius.  So are other people that are prone to being a bit out there.

There are plenty of Hollywood celebrities with genius level IQs.  Do you want to start listening to all of their thoughts on foreign policy or what the US should be doing?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

There are many geniuses who espouse opinions and "facts" on things they have no specialty or intricate knowledge of.  Kasparov is an incredible chess player and obviously a very intelligent person, but that alone doesn't make him an expert on foreign policy, nor does it mean he should automatically be listened to.  Ted Kaczynski is a certifiable genius.  So are other people that are prone to being a bit out there.

There are plenty of Hollywood celebrities with genius level IQs.  Do you want to start listening to all of their thoughts on foreign policy or what the US should be doing?

Yep yep.

[Jockey]

No one said it was impossible but I was called psychotic even though some of my views are similar to Kasparov's.  Frankly he's warned about Putin for about a decade.

As have 1000s of others. But two other people didn't worry about Putin.

Bush: "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy."

Trump: "Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine -- of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful."

and 

"I mean, he's taking over a country for two dollars' worth of sanctions,
I'd say that's pretty smart. He's taking over a country -- really a vast, vast location, a great piece of land with a lot of people, and just walking right in."


It's time you quit talking like a tough guy when this is who you support.

[Pakuni]

Why not?  His views are irrelevant but CNN/Fox people are worth listening to?  The man has a lot of knowledge and is probably a genius.  Why would you not want to hear his opinions even if you disagree Fluffy?

Who here is saying we should let CNN and Fox News personalities drive our foreign policy.

[jesmu84]

Several media people unless I'm imagining things.

I'll be the 6-7th person to ask...

Who called him crazy for the Russian invasion prediction?

[Hards Alumni]

He's more knowledgeable and obviously smarter than anyone here Hards.

Bro, he's a famous chess player.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

There are many geniuses who espouse opinions and "facts" on things they have no specialty or intricate knowledge of.  Kasparov is an incredible chess player and obviously a very intelligent person, but that alone doesn't make him an expert on foreign policy, nor does it mean he should automatically be listened to.  Ted Kaczynski is a certifiable genius.  So are other people that are prone to being a bit out there.

There are plenty of Hollywood celebrities with genius level IQs.  Do you want to start listening to all of their thoughts on foreign policy or what the US should be doing?

Like Kid Rock or somethin'.

[rocky_warrior]

Like Kid Rock or somethin'.

That's a Detroit celebrity! Whole different ballgame.

[#UnleashSean]

America in a nutshell...


Genocide in Bucha. Stories coming out that Mariupol may be much much worse. And on scoop, we're having another dick measuring contest for Biden and Trump.

[MuggsyB]

America in a nutshell...


Genocide in Bucha. Stories coming out that Mariupol may be much much worse. And on scoop, we're having another dick measuring contest for Biden and Trump.

Good point.

[MuggsyB]

I'll be the 6-7th person to ask...

Who called him crazy for the Russian invasion prediction?

I should have written they have called his views crazy.  I think you  called me psychotic and basically a warmonger  for believing we should be far more forceful  and not give crap about Putin's threats.  Kasparov tends to agree with me.  The fact of the matter is everything we and NATO countries have done thus far is reactive to Putin's actions and moronic statements.  But let's set this aside for a moment and talk about a potential scenario:

Assuming this drags out a month, or 2-3 weeks, and Putin decides to carpet bomb, gas people, or God forbid use some kind of nuclear weapon.  We know his short-term goal at this point has to be to subjugate the Ukrainian people in any way possible.  To me it's very plausible he will get more and more ruthless and kill as many civilians as he can.  Then what?  Do we and NATO just sit on our ass and say to ourselves....."well he didn't attack a NATO country?"  What if he bombs Lviv and the radiation hits Poland ?  Is that an attack on a NATO country?

I don't want to upset anyone here but I believe (and have believed since day 1) that stopping this now is a better option than waiting for this genocide to continue  and the potential horrific aftermath of him controlling  large parts of Ukraine  and staying in power.