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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Ron Paul on May 19, 2016, 07:54:26 AM
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Why isn't Marquette taking a harder look at him?
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Because he isn't good at basketball. The same reason no high major (or even mid major) D1 college basketball programs are taking a harder look at him.
If his last name was anything other than "Antetokounmpo" and we were going after a 6'9" 200 lb wing from Dominican High School who is just another guy at the WIAA D5 level that not even UWM shows interest in, what would Scoop look like?
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I can't decide what I want more: Wades to be wrong about Kostas or MU in NY to be wrong about Kostas. I'm leaning Wades, because sometimes I think NY is just pulling the collective leg of scoop.
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What a great question. No one has brought this up before.
Pros: His brother is really good, maybe lightning can be caught in a bottle. He is long and somewhat athletic.
Cons: He's not THAT athletic yet, failed to excel against 6'2 kids from private high schools in Wisconsin.
If he was really good, would he still be available?
If MU's roster was stacked and balanced and deep at every position, he is the kind of kid to take a flyer on. IMO, MU's roster is not yet at that point.
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What a great question. No one has brought this up before.
Pros: His brother is really good, maybe lightning can be caught in a bottle. He is long and somewhat athletic.
Cons: He's not THAT athletic yet, failed to excel against 6'2 kids from private high schools in Wisconsin.
If he was really good, would he still be available?
If MU's roster was stacked and balanced and deep at every position, he is the kind of kid to take a flyer on. IMO, MU's roster is not yet at that point.
His team did win the state championship. I am not sure who else is on the team, but winning the state championship shows some ability to play.
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Tony Gries and Jared Sichting went to the Final Four, too.
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His team did win the state championship. I am not sure who else is on the team, but winning the state championship shows some ability to play.
I think Christ King grade school could compete for the D5 WIAA State Championship most years.
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Why isn't Marquette taking a harder look at him?
Sorry Ron Paul. it's not happening.
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Why isn't Marquette taking a harder look at him?
Because he is an avg player
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I've never seen him play except on mixtapes. I don't know anything. But if Wojo doesn't find a Plan C 6'9" guy who he can usher out of town after his Sophomore year if things don't work out I'll be sorely disappointed if Kostas ends up at UNLV.
I'm going to go super 'old school' on you guys. Back in the mid 70's there was a kid at Thomas More HS who was one of the better players in the state named Dick Miller. Nobody locally recruited Dick even though he really wanted to stay in the area. He went to Toledo later bringing Harvey Knuckles from St. Kate's with him. Those two guys took Toledo to the NCAA 2 years in a row including a Sweet 16 run. We need a guy like that.
Edit. I just looked up Dick's wiki. Passed away from a heart attack in '14. 55 years young. God rest his soul.
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I know very little about Kostas that I didn't learn here. I've never seen him play in person. But he has size and great bloodlines. I'd take him over an empty chair. Will he play at all next year? Probably not much. Will he ever be a contributor? Maybe not. But he's a nice project big, and you never know, you may strike gold. And if not, so what? Let him go.
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I know very little about Kostas that I didn't learn here. I've never seen him play in person. But he has size and great bloodlines. I'd take him over an empty chair. Will he play at all next year? Probably not much. Will he ever be a contributor? Maybe not. But he's a nice project big, and you never know, you may strike gold. And if not, so what? Let him go.
Todd Mayo had bloodlines.....
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Todd Mayo had bloodlines.....
Only half...
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Todd Mayo had bloodlines.....
Christ, he's been gone for 2 years. Let it go.
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Todd Mayo had bloodlines.....
Todd also had major character flaws.
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I know very little about Kostas that I didn't learn here. I've never seen him play in person. But he has size and great bloodlines. I'd take him over an empty chair. Will he play at all next year? Probably not much. Will he ever be a contributor? Maybe not. But he's a nice project big, and you never know, you may strike gold. And if not, so what? Let him go.
That's the thing that I think a lot of people who haven't seen the kid don't understand. He's not a big by any stretch of the imagination. While project bigs often times are worth the wait because they take longer to develop, taking a "project wing" isn't always as successful. Kostas is a wing. He's legitimately thinner than I am, and for a D1 basketball player, that's a very big problem. People continually use the term, "You can't teach height" in regards to Kostas. Kostas isn't going to be some banging, bruising big sitting in the post. He's a (bad) wing.
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I know very little about Kostas that I didn't learn here. I've never seen him play in person. But he has size and great bloodlines. I'd take him over an empty chair. Will he play at all next year? Probably not much. Will he ever be a contributor? Maybe not. But he's a nice project big, and you never know, you may strike gold. And if not, so what? Let him go.
Wally has great bloodlines too
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I know very little about Kostas that I didn't learn here. I've never seen him play in person. But he has size and great bloodlines. I'd take him over an empty chair. Will he play at all next year? Probably not much. Will he ever be a contributor? Maybe not. But he's a nice project big, and you never know, you may strike gold. And if not, so what? Let him go.
But would you take Kostas over a better player next year? Because that's also an option, even if the scholarship goes unfilled this year.
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But would you take Kostas over a better player next year? Because that's also an option, even if the scholarship goes unfilled this year.
Poor question. Would I take Kostas over our 4th best recruit next year? Perhaps.
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Todd also had major character flaws.
Oh did he ever.....character was revealed before it was revealed....yet we took him anyway....character revealed. ;)
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Christ, he's been gone for 2 years. Let it go.
LOL. We have people here that can't let go of something that happened 8 years ago.
My point was, bloodlines don't mean that much. Eron Gordon is an example in the last two weeks.
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Kostas over an empty chair might make sense for 2016-17.
But an empty chair gives flexibility to accept a mid-year transfer or it gives you one additional roster spot (for freshman or transfer) in 2017-18 and beyond.
If Kostas doesn't have what Wojo wants in a player, he shouldn't take a flyer on him. And I don't care about bloodlines.
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LOL. We have people here that can't let go of something that happened 8 years ago.
Classic CBB.
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Wally 2.0?
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Todd Mayo had bloodlines.....
And he was a talented basketball player for us. He was also a major head case, but that has nothing to do with his bloodlines.
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But would you take Kostas over a better player next year? Because that's also an option, even if the scholarship goes unfilled this year.
I'd take Kostas with a year under his belt at MU with the strength and conditioning program next year, over a guy similar to Young next year. Obviously if we can fill the 4 vacancies next year with 4 stars (at least 3 of which are big men), I'd be inclined to wait it out, but thats probably not going to happen. The fact that Heldt will be our only big man thats not a freshman next year scares the hell out of me. Kostas may not help that situation at all, but when you got an empty chair, its worth the chance...
That said, still holding out hope we find someone better.
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I personally don't like empty scholarships. They are one year contracts, if the player doesn't work out after a year, cut him and find a different player. However, I don't think we are in give a warm body a scholarship mode quite yet. There are always transfers who become available late in the summer. We went after Austin Nichols last summer and he didn't leave Memphis until after the Fourth of July. I think you bide your time and see how the transfer market shakes out. I'm still holding out hope for a Marc Eddy Norelia, Jaron Blossomgame, or Christian White. All MASSIVE long shots but a guy can dream.
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I'd take him over an empty chair.
And so would Clint Eastwood!
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Todd Mayo had bloodlines.....
Isn't that proving the point. The Mayo brothers had a ton of similarities. Unfortunately, they were the bad characteristics.
Both came across incredible mature and well-spoken one day and do something completely idiotic the next.
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Why isn't Marquette taking a harder look at him?
Thanks for posting this to help facilitate our discussion. I believe that Kostas brings a lot to the table and we should be aggressively recruiting him. To answer your question, My gut instinct is that his "curb appeal" is not necessarily the greatest. He comes across as string bean type and our head coach is fond of calling the Big East a Man's League. I think our lack of interest is as simple as that. My take is we can work with him and build him up physically. I am a big fan of our strength and conditioning department and believe they will work wonders with Kostas so he can realize on his potential. Moreover, you couldn't find a better family situation for a kid like that than to be in the same town as his brother at a quality Jesuit institution like ours.
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I would take him in a heartbeat. If he does not pan out Wojo can pull a Wally on him.
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I would think since he is not committed anywhere yet, school might be an issue right now, really should go to Prep school for many reasons.
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I would take him in a heartbeat. If he does not pan out Wojo can pull a Wally on him.
Only problem with that is Kostas won't be spending time away from the team to focus on what he is really good at.
I would think since he is not committed anywhere yet, school might be an issue right now, really should go to Prep school for many reasons.
More to do with his lack of ability to play basketball well than to do schoolwork well.
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Some interesting comments from his High School coach.
http://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2016/05/16/purdue-targeting-kostas-antetokounmpo/84429894/
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Some interesting comments from his High School coach.
http://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2016/05/16/purdue-targeting-kostas-antetokounmpo/84429894/
Which comment was interesting? The one where he wants to play right away? Cause that isn't going to happen here
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this is the most interesting part about the article and probably why Purdue would be cool with a project like Kostas
"Purdue returns 7-2 center Isaac Haas, 6-9 power forward Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan, 6-8 forward Vincent Edwards, 6-10 forward Jacquil Taylor and 6-6 forward Basil Smotherman to its frontcourt."
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this is the most interesting part about the article and probably why Purdue would be cool with a project like Kostas
"Purdue returns 7-2 center Isaac Haas, 6-9 power forward Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan, 6-8 forward Vincent Edwards, 6-10 forward Jacquil Taylor and 6-6 forward Basil Smotherman to its frontcourt."
Basil Smotherman is the first round leader in the clubhouse for Cool Names.
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Basil Smotherman is the first round leader in the clubhouse for Cool Names.
To bad he's not the one with Biggie as a nickname. Biggie Smotherman is gold.
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Isn't that proving the point. The Mayo brothers had a ton of similarities. Unfortunately, they were the bad characteristics.
Both came across incredible mature and well-spoken one day and do something completely idiotic the next.
Yup...that was the point
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this is the most interesting part about the article and probably why Purdue would be cool with a project like Kostas
"Purdue returns 7-2 center Isaac Haas, 6-9 power forward Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan, 6-8 forward Vincent Edwards, 6-10 forward Jacquil Taylor and 6-6 forward Basil Smotherman to its frontcourt."
Purdue's problem is their guards aren't good.
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Purdue's problem is their guards aren't good.
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Kostas says he has a good handle.
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Also seems to be some question about if he will qualify.
Either way not happening...for the 1000 time.
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Kostas says he has a good handle.
Like Bandit or Snowman?
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His team did win the state championship. I am not sure who else is on the team, but winning the state championship shows some ability to play.
For every player on the team?
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That's the thing that I think a lot of people who haven't seen the kid don't understand. He's not a big by any stretch of the imagination. While project bigs often times are worth the wait because they take longer to develop, taking a "project wing" isn't always as successful. Kostas is a wing. He's legitimately thinner than I am, and for a D1 basketball player, that's a very big problem. People continually use the term, "You can't teach height" in regards to Kostas. Kostas isn't going to be some banging, bruising big sitting in the post. He's a (bad) wing.
That may be why Wojo is actually not recruiting him. He is a wing, but not a three point shooter.
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I personally don't like empty scholarships. They are one year contracts, if the player doesn't work out after a year, cut him and find a different player.
I think the "one year contract" (potentially X 4 or 5 years) is not the right way to think of a scholarship. Unless you are Coach K or John Calipari recruiting one-and-dones, your goal should be to bring in guys that you believe will develop, learn your system and contribute for 3-4 years. The "one year contract" is an out if you bring in a guy you really believe can do that, but it turns out he can't. Then you cut your losses and move on. It would surprise me if Wojo brought in a kid he doubted could cut it, and wasn't otherwise interested in, just to fill an empty seat until something better comes along.
Unless the perfect PF falls in our laps, I say you let the scholarship go unfilled.
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I'd be good with MU recruiting Kostas.. for 2017. "Hey, let's keep in touch... go to prep school, keep working, let's stay close and see where things go..."
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I'd be good with MU recruiting Kostas.. for 2017. "Hey, let's keep in touch... go to prep school, keep working, let's stay close and see where things go..."
That is a positive platform to work from.
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To bad he's not the one with Biggie as a nickname. Biggie Smotherman is gold.
what a coincidence!! that's been my nickname since grade school too! wow! :D
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I'd be good with MU recruiting Kostas.. for 2017. "Hey, let's keep in touch... go to prep school, keep working, let's stay close and see where things go..."
Probably the most likely scenario. I have to think just based on late "what the hell" flyer potential, he'd be getting more legit interest at this point. Has he taken any official visits?
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One thing worth noting, Davante Gardner was an extremely overweight 2 star recruit who had minimal offers besides ours. He became one of our beloved and successful players pretty quickly. I am sure plenty of people considered him a project at the time. Projects do work out. The bottom line is Buzz had the vision to see that with some work Davante could be a viable player. He felt the potential reward was worth the risk.
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Devante was a big man, Kostas is the skinniest 6'11" wing I have ever seen, all skin and bones. Right now MU needs somebody with some muscle. Kostas should
go to UWM, playing time right away.
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Devante was a big man, Kostas is the skinniest 6'11" wing I have ever seen, all skin and bones. Right now MU needs somebody with some muscle. Kostas should
go to UWM, playing time right away.
My point is Devante was obese when we recruited him and was not a guarantee to lose weight.
Yes Kostas is a complete bean pole.
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I think it comes down to Wojo wants to use the scholarship on someone who will contribute during the 2016-17 season, or now more likely 2017-18 — and at a position of need.
With so many other more experienced and talented players ahead of him, I can't see Kostas getting on the court for at least the next two years, if ever. I'd rather Marquette offer the scholarship to a true big man who can replace Luke. Someone who can play right away. Even if we have to wait until the Class of 2017 to use it.
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One thing worth noting, Davante Gardner was an extremely overweight 2 star recruit who had minimal offers besides ours. He became one of our beloved and successful players pretty quickly. I am sure plenty of people considered him a project at the time. Projects do work out. The bottom line is Buzz had the vision to see that with some work Davante could be a viable player. He felt the potential reward was worth the risk.
Right. And literally not a single mid or high major D1 coach thinks Kostas is worth the risk.
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Right. And literally not a single mid or high major D1 coach thinks Kostas is worth the risk.
Other than USF no one else wanted Davante.
That chapter with Kostas has yet to be written. I think someone will step up. Hopefully us.
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I love the logic of since one low rated recruit worked out, another one will too.
Players like Jamal Ferguson and Derrick Wilson notwithstanding.
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I love the logic of since one low rated recruit worked out, another one will too.
Players like Jamal Ferguson and Derrick Wilson notwithstanding.
Not saying that the two should be correlated. Just pointing out that many hold out Kostas physical stature as a reason not to pursue, yet here was another physcially challenged recruit Davante who ultimately did well. I just pointed out the fact he was a 2 star to show that many shared that very limited view of him.
As to the other two you mentioned.Derrick Wilson was an absolutely stud athlete with an NFL body who was sought after by many top schools , so not analogous. Jamal Ferguson was a highly rated recruit who did not work out .
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Not saying that the two should be correlated. Just pointing out that many hold out Kostas physical stature as a reason not to pursue, yet here was another physcially challenged recruit Davante who ultimately did well. I just pointed out the fact he was a 2 star to show that many shared that very limited view of him.
As to the other two you mentioned.Derrick Wilson was an absolutely stud athlete with an NFL body who was sought after by many top schools , so not analogous. Jamal Ferguson was a highly rated recruit who did not work out .
I don't care about Kostas' physical stature. I care that he's not very good at basketball. Hell, his physical stature (length and height) is the only reason I would even consider taking him!
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I don't care about Kostas' physical stature. I care that he's not very good at basketball. Hell, his physical stature (length and height) is the only reason I would even consider taking him!
I think it is a stretch to say he is not good at basketball. This tape of his senior season just came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI3XotSzWI&feature=youtu.be
Yes it is a highlight reel and should be taken with a grain of salt as all highlight reels should be. However, there are many different basketball skills being demonstrated. I am sorry but the notion he cannot play is just not supportable.
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I think it is a stretch to say he is not good at basketball. This tape of his senior season just came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI3XotSzWI&feature=youtu.be
Yes it is a highlight reel and should be taken with a grain of salt as all highlight reels should be. However, there are many different basketball skills being demonstrated. I am sorry but the notion he cannot play is just not supportable.
While we're bludgeoning expired equine... what are your thoughts on John Dawson's playing time?
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Kostas = Mboa only 3 inches shorter
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Kostas = Mboa only 3 inches shorter
I'm sorry. This board is becoming silly. Show me anything that suggests Mboa was even a Top 1000 recruit. The kid had never played basketball.
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Fun fact ...
If Antetokounmpo married NBC's veteran Olympic/baseball announcer, he'd be Kostas Costas.
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While we're bludgeoning expired equine... what are your thoughts on John Dawson's playing time?
Not nearly enough.
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Fun fact ...
If Antetokounmpo married NBC's veteran Olympic/baseball announcer, he'd be Kostas Costas.
Almost Duany Duany.
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I think it is a stretch to say he is not good at basketball. This tape of his senior season just came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI3XotSzWI&feature=youtu.be
Yes it is a highlight reel and should be taken with a grain of salt as all highlight reels should be. However, there are many different basketball skills being demonstrated. I am sorry but the notion he cannot play is just not supportable.
I'm just not impressed.
At 1:55 in the video, Kostas slammed home an alley-oop against St. Cats. I teach at SCHS, and let me tell you, our team this year was AWFUL. At 6'2" they could have put me out there and I would have been the tallest player. A 6'11", athletic kid like Kostas dunking on the Angels this year should be no surprise to anyone. Most of the rest of the Metro Classic Conference was the same way: short and "traditional." Highlight against those guys don't impress me.
Most of the highlights were easy dunks over tiny opponents or alley-oops over equally tiny opponents. I think I saw a couple decent Euro-step moves, but that's about it. I saw no evidence of shooting talent (FWIW, he shot .545 from the line, .209 from 3 this season)
Is Kostas athletic as heck? You bet! Does he have the height that we need? For sure! But is he a Big East TALENT as a basketball player? That's yet to be seen.
That said, if there's no other options, I'd take a flyer on him.
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Kostas = Mboa only 3 inches shorter
Wow, forgot about Mbao. Looked up what he did at Marshall. It was... uh... not great:
2013-14 (SENIOR):Played in 22 of 33 games ... Made 1 start on the year on senior night ... In his final season at Marshall, the senior center finished the year averaging 0.6 points per game and 1.5 rebounds per game ... On Dec. 17 versus Alice Lloyd he recorded a career high in rebounds with 14 ... Statistically, led the team with the highest field goal percentage at 77.8 percent.
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I love the logic of since one low rated recruit worked out, another one will too.
Players like Jamal Ferguson and Derrick Wilson notwithstanding.
Your comment is unfair to Jamal Ferguson and Derrick Wilson who showed much more potential as high school players.
Everyone let that sink in for a moment.
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Not saying that the two should be correlated. Just pointing out that many hold out Kostas physical stature as a reason not to pursue, yet here was another physcially challenged recruit Davante who ultimately did well. I just pointed out the fact he was a 2 star to show that many shared that very limited view of him.
As to the other two you mentioned.Derrick Wilson was an absolutely stud athlete with an NFL body who was sought after by many top schools , so not analogous. Jamal Ferguson was a highly rated recruit who did not work out .
Neither are Davante and Kostas. Davante displayed rare offensive talent in high school, and made at least all region teams in Virginia. His weight and defensive ability were the concerns that limited his recruiting, but he was still recruited.
I was a big Davante advocate, and I'm against taking the Kostas flyer.
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I'm sorry. This board is becoming silly. Show me anything that suggests Mboa was even a Top 1000 recruit. The kid had never played basketball.
He started at a prep school in California as a HS senior, so I don't get the never played basketball comment.
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I'm just not impressed.
At 1:55 in the video, Kostas slammed home an alley-oop against St. Cats. I teach at SCHS, and let me tell you, our team this year was AWFUL. At 6'2" they could have put me out there and I would have been the tallest player. A 6'11", athletic kid like Kostas dunking on the Angels this year should be no surprise to anyone. Most of the rest of the Metro Classic Conference was the same way: short and "traditional." Highlight against those guys don't impress me.
Most of the highlights were easy dunks over tiny opponents or alley-oops over equally tiny opponents. I think I saw a couple decent Euro-step moves, but that's about it. I saw no evidence of shooting talent (FWIW, he shot .545 from the line, .209 from 3 this season)
Is Kostas athletic as heck? You bet! Does he have the height that we need? For sure! But is he a Big East TALENT as a basketball player? That's yet to be seen.
That said, if there's no other options, I'd take a flyer on him.
Thanks for taking the time to review the highlights and provide a thoughtful and reasoned analysis. I support your conclusion.
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Thanks for taking the time to review the highlights and provide a thoughtful and reasoned analysis. I support your conclusion.
I just talked to one of the SCHS varsity players in the hallway and asked him "How good is Kostas?" His response "He's good, because he's 6'10. If he was a normal height, he'd just be an average player." I asked if he was worth it for Marquette's last schollie and he said "no way."
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I just talked to one of the SCHS varsity players in the hallway and asked him "How good is Kostas?" His response "He's good, because he's 6'10. If he was a normal height, he'd just be an average player." I asked if he was worth it for Marquette's last schollie and he said "no way."
Well that kid is entitled to his opinion too . I appreciate him offering it.
The fact is he is 6-10 and has 7 1.75 wingspan . Matt Heldt is 6-8/9 ish and if he were normal height he would be an average player also.
If Grandma had balls she would be Grandpa.
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The fact is he is 6-10 and has 7 1.75 wingspan . Matt Heldt is 6-8/9 ish and if he were normal height he would be an average player also.
I agree. That's why I think, in absence of any other options, he might be worth a flyer.
There are plenty of examples of players who were talented who also happened to be tall (like Giannis for example) and there are players who weren't particularly talented but because they were tall still had success (I'd put Fisch in this category). But college basketball is littered with guys who got schollies because they are tall who didn't pan out because they didn't have the talent/skill to make it (Mbao is an extreme example, Erik Williams might be another).
Is Kostas the first type? Not right now. Will he turn his height and marginal talent into success at the next level? That's yet to be seen.
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Well that kid is entitled to his opinion too . I appreciate him offering it.
The fact is he is 6-10 and has 7 1.75 wingspan . Matt Heldt is 6-8/9 ish and if he were normal height he would be an average player also.
If Grandma had balls she would be Grandpa.
But Matt Heldt is 6'10" and plays like he's 6'10", which makes him more than an average player. Kostas is 6'10" and plays like he's 6'1", which makes him below an average player.
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Well that kid is entitled to his opinion too . I appreciate him offering it.
The fact is he is 6-10 and has 7 1.75 wingspan . Matt Heldt is 6-8/9 ish and if he were normal height he would be an average player also.
If Grandma had balls she would be Grandpa.
And if Kostas had basketball skills, he'd be a basketball player.
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Wow, forgot about Mbao. Looked up what he did at Marshall. It was... uh... not great:
2013-14 (SENIOR):Played in 22 of 33 games ... Made 1 start on the year on senior night ... In his final season at Marshall, the senior center finished the year averaging 0.6 points per game and 1.5 rebounds per game ... On Dec. 17 versus Alice Lloyd he recorded a career high in rebounds with 14 ... Statistically, led the team with the highest field goal percentage at 77.8 percent.
This means he had 19 rebounds total in da utter 21 games, ai na?
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But Matt Heldt is 6'10" and plays like he's 6'10", which makes him more than an average player. Kostas is 6'10" and plays like he's 6'1", which makes him below an average player.
I think if someone is 6-10 with the skills of a 6-1 guard, they are a pretty formidable player that presents a lot of match up difficulties. If someone is 6-10 and is blocking shot after shot he is playing like a 6-10 player. Kostas presents the whole package. If we were willing to take a flyer on Heldt why would we not be willing to bring in Kostas? I like Heldt a lot and hope he has the ability to give us 12-15 good minutes this year. It will be important to our success if he does.
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I think if someone is 6-10 with the skills of a 6-1 guard, they are a pretty formidable player that presents a lot of match up difficulties. If someone is 6-10 and is blocking shot after shot he is playing like a 6-10 player. Kostas presents the whole package. If we were willing to take a flyer on Heldt why would we not be willing to bring in Kostas? I like Heldt a lot and hope he has the ability to give us 12-15 good minutes this year. It will be important to our success if he does.
No. He plays like he's 6'1". If we want to give his 6'1" guard skillset an age it would be about a 7th grader. The guy shot 20% from 3...from the high school 3 point line...against 6'2" defenders...as a 6'10" kid. He shot below 60% from the free throw line...as a wing...
The kid is NOT good at basketball. It's not hard to understand this. Talking about how we need size is pointless in the discussion with Kostas, because he doesn't play with any size whatsoever.
Kostas presents an empty package. He doesn't have strength to bang down low, he doesn't have skill to play on the perimeter. Maybe he should consider high jump like Walter. He certainly would show more potential for a D1 scholarship in that sport than in basketball.
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No. He plays like he's 6'1". If we want to give his 6'1" guard skillset an age it would be about a 7th grader. The guy shot 20% from 3...from the high school 3 point line...against 6'2" defenders...as a 6'10" kid. He shot below 60% from the free throw line...as a wing...
The kid is NOT good at basketball. It's not hard to understand this. Talking about how we need size is pointless in the discussion with Kostas, because he doesn't play with any size whatsoever.
Kostas presents an empty package. He doesn't have strength to bang down low, he doesn't have skill to play on the perimeter. Maybe he should consider high jump like Walter. He certainly would show more potential for a D1 scholarship in that sport than in basketball.
You have presented the bear case extremely well. I represent the bull case. Obviously if he were a consensus pick he would be gone by now. There is risk involved but I believe there to be considerable upside reward. I see the risk reward as very attractive. Throw in the ancillary benefits of the close knit family being supportive it becomes a no brainer to me. We are talking our 13th spot on a team with plenty of capable players who are going to be scrambling for minutes as it is already.
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You have presented the bear case extremely well. I represent the bull case. Obviously if he were a consensus pick he would be gone by now. There is risk involved but I believe there to be considerable upside reward. I see the risk reward as very attractive. Throw in the ancillary benefits of the close knit family being supportive it becomes a no brainer to me. We are talking our 13th spot on a team with plenty of capable players who are going to be scrambling for minutes as it is already.
He's a high school senior. The spring signing period is now over. Even the speculative HS kids are gone by now.
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And if Kostas had basketball skills, he'd be a basketball player.
I've seen him several times. He's tall and athletic, but I always wondered when he was going to do something to make me think he was a player.
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I think it is a stretch to say he is not good at basketball. This tape of his senior season just came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVI3XotSzWI&feature=youtu.be
Yes it is a highlight reel and should be taken with a grain of salt as all highlight reels should be. However, there are many different basketball skills being demonstrated. I am sorry but the notion he cannot play is just not supportable.
I didn't say he couldn't play. I said he's not very good.
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I'm sorry. This board is becoming silly. Show me anything that suggests Mboa was even a Top 1000 recruit. The kid had never played basketball.
Actually he was ranked in the top 300 by 247 composite IIRC
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Fun fact ...
If Antetokounmpo married NBC's veteran Olympic/baseball announcer, he'd be Kostas Costas.
How is that a fact? Why would he be the woman in that relationship?
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How is that a fact? Why would he be the woman in that relationship?
Yeah, that's pretty insulting to women. He wouldn't make UConn
Edit -this should not be teal.
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How is that a fact? Why would he be the woman in that relationship?
Guess you haven't seen him on a bball court, hey?
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How is that a fact? Why would he be the woman in that relationship?
I wouldn't have gotten the wild wails of laughter throughout Scoopdom had my punchline been ... Bob Antetokounmpo.
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Breaking News Alert.
The Purdue message board says Marquette has come calling for Kostas. They are getting nervous that they might lose him.
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/kostas.94236/page-4
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Breaking News Alert.
The Purdue message board says Marquette has come calling for Kostas. They are getting nervous that they might lose him.
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/kostas.94236/page-4
My guess is that the Purdue guy probaly looked at kostas' 247 page and saw we were mentioned
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Breaking News Alert.
The Purdue message board says Marquette has come calling for Kostas. They are getting nervous that they might lose him.
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/kostas.94236/page-4
I really hope we pursue him now. Give him a redshirt his freshman year and see if he can gain weight and improve...if he doesn't, get rid of him and keep recruiting like he won't be part of the future anyways...it's all upside for MU. I really like his potential.
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I really hope we pursue him now. Give him a redshirt his freshman year and see if he can gain weight and improve...if he doesn't, get rid of him and keep recruiting
Woj likes your thinking
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I really hope we pursue him now. Give him a redshirt his freshman year and see if he can gain weight and improve... show commitment to the program... if he doesn't, get rid of him help him relocate to a program more appropriate to his commitment level and keep recruiting like he won't be part of the future anyways...it's all upside for MU. I really like his potential.
FIFY
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You have presented the bear case extremely well. I represent the bull case. Obviously if he were a consensus pick he would be gone by now. There is risk involved but I believe there to be considerable upside reward. I see the risk reward as very attractive. Throw in the ancillary benefits of the close knit family being supportive it becomes a no brainer to me. We are talking our 13th spot on a team with plenty of capable players who are going to be scrambling for minutes as it is already.
Clearly you're a big kostas fan. And you clearly believe in your ability to spot top talent. So if kostas never demonstrates this considerable upside at a high D1 level, will you leave this board?
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If we are throwing out names that may develop after a year or two, how about:
Karim Ezzedine; 6'9" 216 stretch 4 with handles.
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Clearly you're a big kostas fan. And you clearly believe in your ability to spot top talent. So if kostas never demonstrates this considerable upside at a high D1 level, will you leave this board?
I support this analysis.
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I predict Kostas develops at least as good as the open roster spots MU has carried the last couple of years and the open roster spot they are positioned to carry this year.
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I predict Kostas develops at least as good as the open roster spots MU has carried the last couple of years and the open roster spot they are positioned to carry this year.
This.
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Breaking News Alert.
The Purdue message board says Marquette has come calling for Kostas. They are getting nervous that they might lose him.
https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/kostas.94236/page-4
Whenever I look at other boards I really appreciate scoop, the site itself and the posters are top notch (really, no teal), the Purdue board is summed up in that peeing gif which is currently on their site
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I predict Kostas develops at least as good as the open roster spots MU has carried the last couple of years and the open roster spot they are positioned to carry this year.
Taking a flyer on a guy who more than likely will never really contribute significant playing time in his career in the hopes that a minor miracle happens is all fine and dandy when you have 9 scholarship players and still have scholarships available even if you just throw a kid a bone. But when you have 12 scholarship players, can play 5 on 5 in practice and still have extra bodies, and only have 1 open scholarship available, there's no doubt the same Scoopers who are crying about not going after Kostas will be crying when a guy the caliber of Luke Fischer decides he wants to look elsewhere at semester end and would love to be at Marquette...but we threw a scholarship to some kid who might as well be the 6th man on MUHS but has a sweet last name so hey, he's gotta be a stud!
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Patience.
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I predict Kostas develops at least as good as the open roster spots MU has carried the last couple of years and the open roster spot they are positioned to carry this year.
Transfer season is far from over. Since Young committed to Providence two better options than Kostas have already made themselves available. Dozens more are still to come.
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I predict Kostas develops at least as good as the open roster spots MU has carried the last couple of years and the open roster spot they are positioned to carry this year.
Perhaps the coaching staff has made the determination that during a crucial recruiting year, the staff has better uses for its time than to try and teach basketball skills and IQ to someone they don't see benefiting from it.
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Recent internet based commentary on Kostas:
http://www.scout.com/college/marquette/forums/2850-mens-hoops/14752456-kostas
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Did you read it or scan it and post it? For all his faults, Dodds is close to the program. If Dodds is telling Murf to move on that early in a thread, it says all you need to know about the likelihood of Kostas matriculating this year at Marquette.
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Did you read it or scan it and post it? For all his faults, Dodds is close to the program. If Dodds is telling Murf to move on that early in a thread, it says all you need to know about the likelihood of Kostas matriculating this year at Marquette.
I read it. Dodds seems to be communicating there are real academic issues involved. I guess if that is the case, I am going to have to move on to my next prospect...who we have offered ...Ike.
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Go read it again. Mark Miller just about the last nail in the Kostas to MU coffin. Academics aren't there.
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Go read it again. Mark Miller just about the last nail in the Kostas to MU coffin. Academics aren't there.
I just did. Miller says he may be playing overseas. Wow, what a turn of events.
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I just did. Miller says he may be playing overseas. Wow, what a turn of events.
There is no turn of events.
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There is no turn of events.
It sounds more dramatic.... 8-)
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If his last name were not Antetokounmpo nobody here would be clammoring for MU to recruit him. Besides, big brother will be out of Milwaukee within 2 years.
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If his last name were not Antetokounmpo nobody here would be clammoring for MU to recruit him. Besides, big brother will be out of Milwaukee within 2 years.
First statement, completely agree.
Second statement, doubtful. They'll max him and he'll stay.
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If his last name were not Antetokounmpo nobody here would be clammoring for MU to recruit him. Besides, big brother will be out of Milwaukee within 2 years.
Giannis isn't going anywhere.
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It's interesting to compare the first 3 years of Giannis' career with Kobe Bryant. They're very different players with different games — but there are similarities in terms of how they developed from year to year.
Giannis has improved his offensive rating each season while playing more minutes. Obviously, he still has some pretty big holes in his game. He needs to cut down on fouls and turnovers and become a better shooter. But at just 21 years old, I don't think he's close to reaching his ceiling yet.
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If his last name were not Antetokounmpo nobody here would be clammoring for MU to recruit him. Besides, big brother will be out of Milwaukee within 2 years.
Do you follow the NBA at all? Or like making comments about scenarios you don't understand. It would be unprecedent for Giannis to leave the bucks in two years. Even Lebron signed the extension.
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If his last name were not Antetokounmpo nobody here would be clammoring for MU to recruit him. Besides, big brother will be out of Milwaukee within 2 years.
what a great time to clean house-heyn'er? rebuild as they are about to enter a new facility-atta boy billy...i see a real future for you as a GM somewhere
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what a great time to clean house-heyn'er? rebuild as they are about to enter a new facility-atta boy billy...i see a real future for you as a GM somewhere
No he is saying that because of this latest Bucks email fiasco and blunder where their identity and financial records were compromised....
His agent would be a fool to negotiate with the Bucks to keep his client here. They need to trade him now while they can or at the deadline.
Giannis is not staying here...after this. The Bucks can't be trusted. Watch that news carefully.
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It's interesting to compare the first 3 years of Giannis' career with Kobe Bryant. They're very different players with different games — but there are similarities in terms of how they developed from year to year.
Giannis has improved his offensive rating each season while playing more minutes. Obviously, he still has some pretty big holes in his game. He needs to cut down on fouls and turnovers and become a better shooter. But at just 21 years old, I don't think he's close to reaching his ceiling yet.
Doesn't matter....it won't be here.
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Do you follow the NBA at all? Or like making comments about scenarios you don't understand. It would be unprecedent for Giannis to leave the bucks in two years. Even Lebron signed the extension.
NO it won't. Not anymore ....I just told you why.
This security breach will not allow him to! Not making $25 million it won't. I bet his agent from Greece would more likely want him in a major market now that this has happened.
If not him then his marketing or shoe deal company will.
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Giannis isn't going anywhere.
Oh yes he is...watch if he does not sue them first. Better hope none of those players lost any money in this scam...
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This is hilarious.
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NO it won't. Not anymore ....I just told you why.
This security breach will not allow him to! Not making $25 million it won't. I bet his agent from Greece would more likely want him in a major market now that this has happened.
If not him then his marketing or shoe deal company will.
Bulls fan?
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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1/8876319/jimmy-butler-bulls-contract-rumors-restricted-free-agency
This is why giannis is going nowhere.
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Giannis is going nowhere because his family loves it in Milwaukee, he's the face of the Bucks, he's playing with a bunch of other guys just out of their teens, the future of the organization is bright, and (the only thing that really matters) he's going to get paid more in Milwaukee than he could anywhere else in the world.
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Giannis is going nowhere because his family loves it in Milwaukee, he's the face of the Bucks, he's playing with a bunch of other guys just out of their teens, the future of the organization is bright, and (the only thing that really matters) he's going to get paid more in Milwaukee than he could anywhere else in the world.
Plus, he can eat at Mykonos at 03.00 AM like the regular people.
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NO it won't. Not anymore ....I just told you why.
This security breach will not allow him to! Not making $25 million it won't. I bet his agent from Greece would more likely want him in a major market now that this has happened.
If not him then his marketing or shoe deal company will.
Again, every major star signs the first extension. You think Giannis, who is able to sign $25M+/yr extension coming up, will go into his final year on the rookie scale, become a restricted free agent, pass up guaranteed life-long security, sign a low-ball 1-year qualifying offer and then become an unrestricted free agent....and after losing a ton of money in his fifth year on a qualifying offer, he will then sign a lower contract for another team cause he hates Milwaukee sooo much? (A city he has stated he loves and that his family has moved to?)
AD signed his extension in New Orleans, KD signed his in OKC, Lebron in Cleveland, These are all bigger stars yet their agents weren't dumb enough to have them go the qualifying route.
These are the type of players who take the qualifying offer. Guys who aren't offered max contracts that could get lucky in free agency.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/11/1/5054112/greg-monroe-gordon-hayward-nba-draft-2010-class-no-extensions
Honestly, I get fans having opinions but you just look dumb when you spout out stuff as fact without having anything of the situation. Even if Giannis wanted to leave, why would they trade him now? They have matching power when he is an unrestricted free agent next year. If they really needed to trade him they could get some nice picks/players for him. He wouldn't just sign with another team because the Bucks can 1. match and 2. offer more money. Even when lebron was an unrestricted free agent, he still technically resigned with the Cavs and they got 3 firsts for him because Lebron wanted a few extra million. This is Lebron James whose Nike deal is bigger than his contract and he still didn't want to lose out on a few mil. Now you think Giannis, who hasn't made much, is willing to bypass a $20M raise in year 5 because why again?
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Did you read it or scan it and post it? For all his faults, Dodds is close to the program. If Dodds is telling Murf to move on that early in a thread, it says all you need to know about the likelihood of Kostas matriculating this year at Marquette.
Murf is the reason I'm on this board and don't venture onto Scout. His attacks on Travis Diener as a HS senior in which he said he couldn't physically hold up in Division I basketball just drove me out.
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Dime a dozen point guard.
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Again, every major star signs the first extension. You think Giannis, who is able to sign $25M+/yr extension coming up, will go into his final year on the rookie scale, become a restricted free agent, pass up guaranteed life-long security, sign a low-ball 1-year qualifying offer and then become an unrestricted free agent....and after losing a ton of money in his fifth year on a qualifying offer, he will then sign a lower contract for another team cause he hates Milwaukee sooo much? (A city he has stated he loves and that his family has moved to?)
AD signed his extension in New Orleans, KD signed his in OKC, Lebron in Cleveland, These are all bigger stars yet their agents weren't dumb enough to have them go the qualifying route.
These are the type of players who take the qualifying offer. Guys who aren't offered max contracts that could get lucky in free agency.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/11/1/5054112/greg-monroe-gordon-hayward-nba-draft-2010-class-no-extensions
Honestly, I get fans having opinions but you just look dumb when you spout out stuff as fact without having anything of the situation. Even if Giannis wanted to leave, why would they trade him now? They have matching power when he is an unrestricted free agent next year. If they really needed to trade him they could get some nice picks/players for him. He wouldn't just sign with another team because the Bucks can 1. match and 2. offer more money. Even when lebron was an unrestricted free agent, he still technically resigned with the Cavs and they got 3 firsts for him because Lebron wanted a few extra million. This is Lebron James whose Nike deal is bigger than his contract and he still didn't want to lose out on a few mil. Now you think Giannis, who hasn't made much, is willing to bypass a $20M raise in year 5 because why again?
MUHoopsFan2 stated that Giannis would leave Milwaukee not just once — but in four consecutive posts (one in response to a post of mine that had nothing to do with free agency). He sure sounded confident in what he was saying. Why use logic in an argument when you can simply try to shout others down? He who's loudest must be right.
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Check his history. Then just shake your head and walk away.
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What happened to the ignore button? didn't it used to be on the left side under a posters information?
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What happened to the ignore button? didn't it used to be on the left side under a posters information?
See the end of this post
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3.0
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Whenever I look at other boards I really appreciate scoop, the site itself and the posters are top notch (really, no teal), the Purdue board is summed up in that peeing gif which is currently on their site
The Purdue message board is really a hoot. The Kostas thread there has been hijacked and turned into an anti Painter rant. Tough crowd those Boilermakers.
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Weird. Something like that would never happen on Scoop.
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Crean sucks
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The Purdue message board is really a hoot. The Kostas thread there has been hijacked and turned into an anti Painter rant. Tough crowd those Boilermakers.
Weird. Something like that would never happen on Scoop.
Crean sucks
So good.
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Weird. Something like that would never happen on Scoop.
Perfect deadpan
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No he is saying that because of this latest Bucks email fiasco and blunder where their identity and financial records were compromised....
His agent would be a fool to negotiate with the Bucks to keep his client here. They need to trade him now while they can or at the deadline.
Giannis is not staying here...after this. The Bucks can't be trusted. Watch that news carefully.
Giannis clearly can't wait to get out of town.....
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/freakonomics-giannis-antetokounmpo-interview-feature-story-milwaukee-bucks/
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Giannis clearly can't wait to get out of town.....
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/freakonomics-giannis-antetokounmpo-interview-feature-story-milwaukee-bucks/
"I want to do for Milwaukee what Kevin Durant did for Oklahoma City."
That's music to a Bucks' fan's ears.
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"I want to do for Milwaukee what Kevin Durant did for Oklahoma City."
That's music to a Bucks' fan's ears.
Luckily he didn't say "do to Milwaukee what Durant did for Seattle."
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Giannis clearly can't wait to get out of town.....
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/freakonomics-giannis-antetokounmpo-interview-feature-story-milwaukee-bucks/
You said Kostas really wasn't an option, but had some follow-up questions if you mind sharing.
1.) Would you consider if it was your decision?
2.) Do you think he will qualify next year?
3.) Is MU not offering due to skill or academic reasons?
4.) Any chance he reclasses to '17, and would MU be back on him?
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Giannis clearly can't wait to get out of town.....
http://www.slamonline.com/nba/freakonomics-giannis-antetokounmpo-interview-feature-story-milwaukee-bucks/
Twenty-eight months later, Giannis Antetokounmpo is still living the dream, still facing up against the best, but those nerves have stopped coming and going altogether. He’s a full-fledged man now, one capable of standing tall as the primary leader of an NBA team.
“For as long as I’m playing, if I work hard and grab the opportunity, I’ll be someone special,” he says. “I think there’s not a lot of people like me in this league who can handle the ball at 7-feet. When you’ve got something unique, you’ve got to work on it so you can be someone special and leave your legacy on the court.”
“He told me the other day, ‘I want to do for Milwaukee what Kevin Durant did for Oklahoma City,’” Saratsis says. “He was like, ‘I want that legacy, so 20 years from now, I have built this into my own Oklahoma City, so people look at me and say, he left an indelible—I’m using the word indelible, though he didn’t—but indelible mark on the city and franchise and organization.’ Last summer, when we were having that dinner, I could see that’s what he was thinking. That was him thinking, I’m at a point where I can be a leader on the team. And it’s not like ‘Me vs Jabari [Parker]’ or ‘Me vs [Khris] Middleton,’ it’s like, I can be a leader on this team and I want to leave my mark on this city and leave my mark on this organization.
“That’s when I was like, OK, this kid is starting to get it. This kid is starting to understand.”
Read more at http://www.slamonline.com/nba/freakonomics-giannis-antetokounmpo-interview-feature-story-milwaukee-bucks/#cCdJWCDbIpquAfPL.99
Yeah, and his handler is already sending out undertones to get him out!!!
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Well that kid is entitled to his opinion too . I appreciate him offering it.
The fact is he is 6-10 and has 7 1.75 wingspan . Matt Heldt is 6-8/9 ish and if he were normal height he would be an average player also.
If Grandma had balls she would be Grandpa.
Correction... Matt Held is 6'10-11", 245 lbs.
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You said Kostas really wasn't an option, but had some follow-up questions if you mind sharing.
1.) Would you consider if it was your decision?
2.) Do you think he will qualify next year?
3.) Is MU not offering due to skill or academic reasons?
4.) Any chance he reclasses to '17, and would MU be back on him?
I am not Mark Miller but I will give my opinion
1. No
2. No but obviously just a guess from what I have heard
3. My guess is it is a combination of many factors
4 yes and anything is possible
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So good.
What seems to be missing is one poster incessantly vilifying Gene Keady as a turncoat for belittling both himself and Purdue by taking a coaching job at St. John's.
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Nice Quote from Duane in this article on Dominican
http://www.sikids.com/si-kids/2016/05/25/history-making-class-graduates-wisconsin-basketball-powerhouse
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Nice Quote from Duane in this article on Dominican
http://www.sikids.com/si-kids/2016/05/25/history-making-class-graduates-wisconsin-basketball-powerhouse
Buried in an sikids.com post (in case you missed it, that's Sports Illustrated FOR KIDS) is a generic quote from DW about his high school. Well worth the bump to keep the Kostas conversation alive.
"The community played a big role,” said Dominican alum Duane Wilson, who was a part of the 2012 and ’13 championships and is now a guard at Marquette University. “Students, faculty, families, and others would come to games to support us. It was a great atmosphere to play in.”
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Buried in an sikids.com post (in case you missed it, that's Sports Illustrated FOR KIDS) is a generic quote from DW about his high school. Well worth the bump to keep the Kostas conversation alive.
"The community played a big role,” said Dominican alum Duane Wilson, who was a part of the 2012 and ’13 championships and is now a guard at Marquette University. “Students, faculty, families, and others would come to games to support us. It was a great atmosphere to play in.”
It is the off season news is scarce. A little good PR for Duane is always helpful for us.
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It is the off season news is scarce. A little good PR for Duane is always helpful for us.
Plus, think of the recruiting bump from getting our name in SIKids!
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Plus, think of the recruiting bump from getting our name in SIKids!
My recent college-grad son was a huge fan of SI Kids in grammar school. While he keeps physically fit, I get the feeling that, like my son, most kids who read (even sports magazines) are more likely to be helpful doing your taxes or fixing your PC than they are playing for your basketball team when they are college-aged.
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...Just don't burn any bridges! Need to be closely evaluating the youngest brother, Alex.
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Plus, think of the recruiting bump from getting our name in SIKids!
I love the long term planning involved here.
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My recent college-grad son was a huge fan of SI Kids in grammar school. While he keeps physically fit, I get the feeling that, like my son, most kids who read (even sports magazines) are more likely to be helpful doing your taxes or fixing your PC than they are playing for your basketball team when they are college-aged.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the attitude in our society that explains why I can't get my male middle school students to pick up a book (or even a sports magazine). It's too bad that we, as a society, don't value literacy as much as we do athletic prowess. In an ideal world, the best basketball players would also be committed students, a la Markus Howard.
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the attitude in our society that explains why I can't get my male middle school students to pick up a book (or even a sports magazine). It's too bad that we, as a society, don't value literacy as much as we do athletic prowess. In an ideal world, the best basketball players would also be committed students, a la Markus Howard.
I bet that next year if you made the first book "101 Things You Didn't Know About Sex" and then progressed through the next few decades until you got to "Fifty Shades Of Grey" by semester's end, you'd suddenly have some interested, committed students!
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I bet that next year if you made the first book "101 Things You Didn't Know About Sex" and then progressed through the next few decades until you got to "Fifty Shades Of Grey" by semester's end, you'd suddenly have some interested, committed students!
I'd probably also have lots of unexpected free time to get my own reading in
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Update from Purdue
http://www.jconline.com/story/sports/college/purdue/basketball/2016/06/02/purdues-painter-busy-offseason/85196768/
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The Lafayette Journal Courier doesn't know what it is talking about. Mark Miller told you what is going on. Why are you bringing bad information here?
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My recent college-grad son was a huge fan of SI Kids in grammar school. While he keeps physically fit, I get the feeling that, like my son, most kids who read (even sports magazines) are more likely to be helpful doing your taxes or fixing your PC than they are playing for your basketball team when they are college-aged.
Aren't ALL kids, regardless of whether or not they enjoy reading, significantly more likely to be helpful doing your taxes or fixing your PC than they are playing for your basketball team when they are college-aged?
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The Lafayette Journal Courier doesn't know what it is talking about. Mark Miller told you what is going on. Why are you bringing bad information here?
Thought it was interesting to see how they are looking at life via Kostas in West Lafayette. Obviously they did not receive the memo. Not endorsing the quality of the article.
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The Lafayette Journal Courier doesn't know what it is talking about. Mark Miller told you what is going on. Why are you bringing bad information here?
I missed Mark Miller's post. What did he have to say?
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On Dodds board:
Kostas came to America midway through his sophomore year of high school.
He is short of the core credits needed to gain entrance into most schools.
He has a lot of potential/upside, but I anticipate him playing overseas next season due to credit shortage.
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On Dodds board:
Kostas came to America midway through his sophomore year of high school.
He is short of the core credits needed to gain entrance into most schools.
He has a lot of potential/upside, but I anticipate him playing overseas next season due to credit shortage.
How has Mark Miller been able to avoid banning on the Dodds' board? Doesn't Dodds get jealous?
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Aren't ALL kids, regardless of whether or not they enjoy reading, significantly more likely to be helpful doing your taxes or fixing your PC than they are playing for your basketball team when they are college-aged?
My point is that I think most kids who grow up to be great athletes are much more likely to have spent their free time playing sports, not reading about them.
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Kostas has arrived on Campus and Dayton had the photo with Giannis.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/dayton-flyers-welcome-kostas-antetokounmpo-to-camp/nsLJB/
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Kostas has arrived on Campus and Dayton had the photo with Giannis.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/dayton-flyers-welcome-kostas-antetokounmpo-to-camp/nsLJB/
No one cares.
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No one cares.
I agree with this analysis
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Kostas has arrived on Campus and Dayton had the photo with Giannis.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/dayton-flyers-welcome-kostas-antetokounmpo-to-camp/nsLJB/
Is this some MU satellite I don't know about?
Are you going to start a "kostas with 3min off the bench tonight" thread next season?
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Kostas has arrived on Campus and Dayton had the photo with Giannis.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/dayton-flyers-welcome-kostas-antetokounmpo-to-camp/nsLJB/
Pretty sure there's a Dayton basketball forum that may actually give a sh*t
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Kostas has arrived on Campus and Dayton had the photo with Giannis.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/dayton-flyers-welcome-kostas-antetokounmpo-to-camp/nsLJB/
And you're instinct kicks in.
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Kostas has arrived on Campus and Dayton had the photo with Giannis.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/dayton-flyers-welcome-kostas-antetokounmpo-to-camp/nsLJB/
http://udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
I checked Dayton Fan in NY is available.
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To be honest, he seems like a UDPride type.
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More like 'Kostas fan in NY.'
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 4m4 minutes ago
Dayton's Kostas Antetokounmpo, the brother of Giannis, will redshirt this season, per a source. Will have four years of eligibility.
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 3m3 minutes ago
In time Kostas Antetokounmpo is really going to help Archie Miller. This will be beneficial for his development. Needs weight. Has upside.
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 4m4 minutes ago
Dayton's Kostas Antetokounmpo, the brother of Giannis, will redshirt this season, per a source. Will have four years of eligibility.
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 3m3 minutes ago
In time Kostas Antetokounmpo is really going to help Archie Miller. This will be beneficial for his development. Needs weight. Has upside.
I believe Kostas is a nonqualifier. He's not redshirting. The school put out a release today saying he's a "partial qualifier".. of course those don't exist in D-I bball. But it sounds better than saying what he is - a nonqualifier.
There is now such a thing as an 'academic redshirt', where you ARE allowed to practice in your initial term.. he is not even allowed to do that. Kostas is not allowed to even practice with the team this semester.
That would tell me he's most likely a nonqualifier with a partial waiver.
No surprise here on the academic front.
Re: basketball, as several have said over the past two years.. if he was like a 2018 or 2019 HS kid, then great, looks like a guy to watch.. but, he's not close to being where he needs to be at this point in time.. in a few years COULD he be a nice player? Sure. All in all, him being a nonqualifier isn't that big of a deal...
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Thanks Jaybee. So will be allowed to practice next semester assuming he meets some academic standard?
Clearly why many didn't want to take a flyer on him.
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Thanks Jaybee. So will be allowed to practice next semester assuming he meets some academic standard?
Clearly why many didn't want to take a flyer on him.
Yeah.. he may be able to practice next semester, but won't be eligible to play. This semester, he's unable to even practice. If all goes well, still can play four years (although you've gotta think he'll be in the NBA before then, a1na?)
PS-Dayton's website has updated a headline to state he's an academic redshirt, but don't believe it. With the new academic standards, in D-I you have 3 possibilities as a new kid... (1) full qualifier, (2) academic redshirt or (3) nonqualifier.
Academic redshirts get aid AND can practice immediately. Nonqualifiers can't get either by rule, BUT can get partial waivers to receive aid and/or practice.
Take a guy like Spellman for Nova.. he's an academic redshirt who is getting aid and can practice. Kostas? No. The school has stated he's not allowed to practice. Is he receiving aid? Maybe, maybe not. But, based on not being able to practice, he appears to be a nonqualifier...
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Giannis probably adopted him, ai na?
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I am not sure what the current rules are, but Wade was a partial qualifier. Part of what was important to that status was that Wade could of played a fourth year, if he got far enough along academically. Now Wade only played two years, so it did not matter. However, if he had stayed all of his records for his sophomore year would have had to be reclassified as freshmen records.
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I am not sure what the current rules are, but Wade was a partial qualifier. Part of what was important to that status was that Wade could of played a fourth year, if he got far enough along academically. Now Wade only played two years, so it did not matter.
Back then, partial qualifiers existed in D-I. Today, they don't. But, it is possible for a nonqualifier to ultimately compete for 4 years (w/required progress to degree requirements being met)
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Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 4m4 minutes ago
Dayton's Kostas Antetokounmpo, the brother of Giannis, will redshirt this season, per a source. Will have four years of eligibility.
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 3m3 minutes ago
In time Kostas Antetokounmpo is really going to help Archie Miller. This will be beneficial for his development. Needs weight. Has upside.
This sounds like something someone said a while back...
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You know who hasn't chimed in on this development?
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You know who hasn't chimed in on this development?
Checking on Kosta's girlfriend opinion, status, etc.
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Yeah.. he may be able to practice next semester, but won't be eligible to play. This semester, he's unable to even practice. If all goes well, still can play four years (although you've gotta think he'll be in the NBA before then, a1na?)
PS-Dayton's website has updated a headline to state he's an academic redshirt, but don't believe it. With the new academic standards, in D-I you have 3 possibilities as a new kid... (1) full qualifier, (2) academic redshirt or (3) nonqualifier.
Academic redshirts get aid AND can practice immediately. Nonqualifiers can't get either by rule, BUT can get partial waivers to receive aid and/or practice.
Take a guy like Spellman for Nova.. he's an academic redshirt who is getting aid and can practice. Kostas? No. The school has stated he's not allowed to practice. Is he receiving aid? Maybe, maybe not. But, based on not being able to practice, he appears to be a nonqualifier...
what are the actual rules? Is he still allowed on campus and interaction with the coaches? If so, I don't see how this is a big deal? He's still 2+ seasons away from contributing but I can see him being a beast as a 5th year senior. I still would take him over nothing this year and a red-shirting Ike next year, but understand why wojo we,t another way.
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what are the actual rules? Is he still allowed on campus and interaction with the coaches?
If he's not allowed to practice with the team, then I would presume he's not allowed to have interaction with the coaching staff. Interaction would allow them to be directing him on how to work out, etc., and that defeats the purpose of "no practice with the team."
Not entirely unlike when Todd Mayo was suspended from the team for a semester.
I still would take him over nothing this year and a red-shirting Ike next year, but understand why wojo we,t another way.
Marquette's current vacant scholarship is going to contribute just as much to MU this season as Kostas is to contribute to Dayton.
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If he's not allowed to practice with the team, then I would presume he's not allowed to have interaction with the coaching staff. Interaction would allow them to be directing him on how to work out, etc., and that defeats the purpose of "no practice with the team."
Not entirely unlike when Todd Mayo was suspended from the team for a semester.
Marquette's current vacant scholarship is going to contribute just as much to MU this season as Kostas is to contribute to Dayton.
What year was he suspended?
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You know who hasn't chimed in on this development?
I cooled on him.
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If he's not allowed to practice with the team, then I would presume he's not allowed to have interaction with the coaching staff. Interaction would allow them to be directing him on how to work out, etc., and that defeats the purpose of "no practice with the team."
Not entirely unlike when Todd Mayo was suspended from the team for a semester.
Marquette's current vacant scholarship is going to contribute just as much to MU this season as Kostas is to contribute to Dayton.
It really depends. If he is eligible to practice come January as mentioned as a possibility, then Kostas can learn the system. At that point, do you take a more physically matured and eligible kostas next year or a Ike. As I said, I would think Kostas would contribute more than Ike next year but really nothing to bitch about as a fan. I'm just intrigued by Kostas.
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What year was he suspended?
First semester 2012-13
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Kostas and his fantastic neck are going pro.
https://247sports.com/Article/Source-Kostas-Antetokounmpo-declaring-for-the-NBA-Draft-116564423
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Phew. MU dodged a bullet there.
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Hilarious.
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I'm thinkin' 'bout turnin' pro two, hey?
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Kostas and his fantastic neck are going pro.
https://247sports.com/Article/Source-Kostas-Antetokounmpo-declaring-for-the-NBA-Draft-116564423
Prime example of why the NBA needs a bonafide minor league system. The kid just wants to play basketball. He's not good enough for the NBA at this point but he doesn't seem interested in going to school in order to play.
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Whattayamean not good enough, MM?
The kid averaged 5 points for the mighty Flyers. He'll step right in to an NBA lineup and be a star!
I mean, did you see his neck? And the kid is a pogo stick!!
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G-league and overseas are certainly decent options for him.
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G-league and overseas are certainly decent options for him.
Maybe the Bucks will find a spot for him in Oshkosh.
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No surprise going pro and doing the camp. You can come back now. I also won't be surprised if Hauser and Howard do that.
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No surprise going pro and doing the camp. You can come back now. I also won't be surprised if Hauser and Howard do that.
He dropped out of school.
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He dropped out of school.
Where does it say that? In the article it says he has the option of returning.
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No surprise going pro and doing the camp. You can come back now. I also won't be surprised if Hauser and Howard do that.
Highly doubtful Hauser will put off having surgery for another month to simply hear he isn't ready for the NBA and come back to MU.
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Where does it say that? In the article it says he has the option of returning.
In an article in the Dayton News, it’s reported that he has already withdrawn from school.
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Where does it say that? In the article it says he has the option of returning.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/three-more-players-leaving-dayton-basketball-program/Ezjn4WO4VxLwAks1UtQiBL/
"The University of Dayton basketball team has lost three more players, including 6-foot-10 redshirt freshmen Kostas Antetokounmpo, who has already withdrawn from school."
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Reminder to those trying to make fun of Mr. Cain. Although it's too late already, try not to disparage the brother of a top 5 NBA player and also a potential 2020 recruit.
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Must have realized he was in Dayton.
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Must have realized he was in Dayton.
:D
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Phew. MU dodged a bullet there.
Why? We we never filled Wally's scholarship after he was cut. That became Froling. Better prospect?
Think the choice automatically stays the same if Kostas is living in his adopted hometown where his brother/parents live?
This was not a case of dodging a bullet. Kostas is exactly the type of recruit you take a flyer on - hell we did it with Ike - and he doesn't even have the lineage...and wasn't local.
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Why? We we never filled Wally's scholarship after he was cut. That became Froling. Better prospect?
At the time the decision was made, most people - not just Wojo - thought Froling was the better prospect.
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He dropped out of school.
ABD
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Why? We we never filled Wally's scholarship after he was cut. That became Froling. Better prospect?
Think the choice automatically stays the same if Kostas is living in his adopted hometown where his brother/parents live?
This was not a case of dodging a bullet. Kostas is exactly the type of recruit you take a flyer on - hell we did it with Ike - and he doesn't even have the lineage...and wasn't local.
Personally, I didn't want the drama of superstar's little brother sitting on the bench collecting splinters in his bum. We already went through that once. I'm happy Kostas found the two year stop off that he was looking for.
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Personally, I didn't want the drama of superstar's little brother sitting on the bench collecting splinters in his bum. We already went through that once. I'm happy Kostas found the two year stop off that he was looking for.
See: LiAngelo, UCLA
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My sense is he doesn’t want to go to classes any more . He also had a tough nosed coach at Dayton who was honest with him which was probably hard for Kostas to accept. My sense is he is looking for a team to pick him up and put him in G league in hopes of signing big brother someday.
Clearly Kostas would be better off staying in school and becoming more consistent as a player. Kid has to pay his dues and be enthusiastic about that process in order to grow and realize on his potential.
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My guess is he follows his oldest brother, Thanasis, over to Greece and plays there. I imagine that if Thasasis is playing there the family got their Greek citizenship, or at least became documented. The family was undocumented when they followed Giannis to the US. The whole family, particularly the kids, went through hell thanks to the Golden Dawn and other far right, nationalist organizations in Greece.
Plus, the coach who recruited him at Dayton is no longer there.
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This was not a case of dodging a bullet.
Tell that to Dayton's APR score. Just took a hit, bud.
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Bless me father for I have sinned:
Matt Velazquez@Matt_Velazquez
Matt Velazquez Retweeted Marc Stein
Sounds like the right fit for Kostas, who said at the combine that he knew he still had more development to do.
Marc Stein@TheSteinLine
The Mavericks have signed No. 60 overall pick Kostas Antetokounmpo to a two-way contract
5:26 PM - 13 Jul 2018
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https://twitter.com/kostas_ante13?lang=en&lang=en
https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/status/1016479179863416834
Alexis is still available.
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Bless me father for I have sinned:
Matt Velazquez@Matt_Velazquez
Matt Velazquez Retweeted Marc Stein
Sounds like the right fit for Kostas, who said at the combine that he knew he still had more development to do.
Marc Stein@TheSteinLine
The Mavericks have signed No. 60 overall pick Kostas Antetokounmpo to a two-way contract
5:26 PM - 13 Jul 2018
Hoping to get Giannis. Kostas is no freak.
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Hoping to get Giannis. Kostas is no freak.
They signed Kostas hoping to get Giannis...in three years???
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The Hornets signed Mangok Mathiang to a two-way contract last season. He sucks.
Two-way contracts don't mean much.
Wake me when Kostas (or anybody else) makes an actual roster for an actual season.
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https://twitter.com/kostas_ante13?lang=en&lang=en
https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/status/1016479179863416834
Alexis is still available.
Anyone who wants to take his APR hit can have him.
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Kostas looking like a great prospect for the Mavs. The exact kind of player you take a flier on with the 60th pick in the draft. Was quite odd to read all of the negativity associated with Kostas as we didn't kick the tires on offering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3vaNU4tu1s
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Kostas looking like a great prospect for the Mavs. The exact kind of player you take a flier on with the 60th pick in the draft. Was quite odd to read all of the negativity associated with Kostas as we didn't kick the tires on offering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3vaNU4tu1s
NBA team picking up a prospect that could be good in a couple years is different than a college offering him, when in hindsight, he was only ever going to spend one year in school. Smart move to stay away.
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Kostas looking like a great prospect for the Mavs. The exact kind of player you take a flier on with the 60th pick in the draft. Was quite odd to read all of the negativity associated with Kostas as we didn't kick the tires on offering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3vaNU4tu1s
8 points on 4 dunks and 2 rebounds against the powerhouse that is the Beijing Ducks. You have always liked your dunks. Reminds you of your old self.
Looks like a guy with long arms and...well, long arms.
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Kostas looking like a great prospect for the Mavs. The exact kind of player you take a flier on with the 60th pick in the draft. Was quite odd to read all of the negativity associated with Kostas as we didn't kick the tires on offering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3vaNU4tu1s
What's odd about it? There was a reason major suitors fell off. There was a reason he sat out a year before playing at Dayton. There was likely a reason that he left Dayton after playing one, relatively OK year there.
He would have been a waste of a scholarship at MU. I'm sure the people at Dayton are wondering what that was all about at this point.
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Kostas looking like a great prospect for the Mavs. The exact kind of player you take a flier on with the 60th pick in the draft. Was quite odd to read all of the negativity associated with Kostas as we didn't kick the tires on offering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3vaNU4tu1s
I think the negativity was because some people saw a highlight video online and his last name, then fell in love, and thought he was Giannis 2.0. People that saw Kostas play full games knew he was raw and didn't get on the hype train.
The unwarranted hype lead to an equal and opposite reaction from the skeptics, which essentially became Kostas hating (internet hating, not true hate). The hype train was afraid of missing out on what they thought was a superstar in our backyard but the skeptics saw him for the project he is.
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Well, it was the Bejiing Ducks. Kostas is obviously a long athlete with minimal skills. Did little at Dominican HS or in his year at Dayton (after a redshirt year since he was not cleared by the NCAA). He is on a 2 way contract with the Texas Legends and the Mavs. Given his lack of skills, it’s doubtful he’ll play with the Mavs much if at all. Could he surprise us...well, sure. But highly unlikely in today’s NBA 3 point world.
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Skepticism, not hatred. Did not dominate at a small Wisconsin high school. Academic issues. Marginal stats as a red-shirt freshman at an A-10 school. But he is long and has a great last name. Maybe in a few years he will be ready.
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Agree with Tower. If he didn't happen to share a last name with Giannis, Kostas might not even have gotten as much attention coming out of high school as Ike Eke.
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Why? We we never filled Wally's scholarship after he was cut. That became Froling. Better prospect?
Think the choice automatically stays the same if Kostas is living in his adopted hometown where his brother/parents live?
This was not a case of dodging a bullet. Kostas is exactly the type of recruit you take a flyer on - hell we did it with Ike - and he doesn't even have the lineage...and wasn't local.
Had to sit a year due to academic issues, left early I bet due to academic issues. Wasted scholarship
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But he is long and has a great last name.
I agree.
But I can think of at least one poster who would say he is great and has a long last name.
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I wish the best for the kid. Hope he becomes an NBA star like his older brother.
None of that changes the fact that he was not a viable target for MU for a multitude of reasons.
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I wish the best for the kid. Hope he becomes an NBA star like his older brother.
None of that changes the fact that he was not a viable target for MU for a multitude of reasons.
This.
Kostas may very well become an NBA superstar one day (I doubt it but it's possible), but for the purposes of Marquette basketball, all that matters is what he was going to accomplish at the college level. For Kostas, that was a year of sitting out because of academics and another year of being a bench player for a sub .500 Atlantic 10 team. If he had come to Marquette he would have had to sit out a year as a freshman and then would have been the last player on the bench as a redshirt freshman. He likely still leaves after that year.
Kostas would not have been a worthwhile pickup for Marquette. Possible APR issues are not worth a year of a player warming the bench. What he does as a professional is irrelevant to Marquette.
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I wish the best for the kid. Hope he becomes an NBA star like his older brother.
None of that changes the fact that he was not a viable target for MU for a multitude of reasons.
We all wish the best for guys. But, he is 21 in less than a month. He is getting old for the NBA with no skills. Unlikely. PS, he is slightly younger than Henry Ellenson. (i.e., Henry does have some skills and he is 3 years in).
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Have no ill will toward the kid. He may be a wonderful human being, or may not be. He may end up being a fine NBA player ... but probably not.
What we do know is that he had one mediocre (to be kind) college season. A multi-year project who had no interest in college whatsoever. Glad we passed on him.
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If his name wasn't Antetokounmpo, no one would be talking about this. If he had been what Zhaire Smith was for Texas Tech, or put up 10/5 at any high major while MU ignored him, the Kostas fluffers might have a point. He wasn't. He didn't. He put up 5/3 for a mid major.
What's next, bumping a Derrick Wilson thread?
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Update on Kostas G League progress. 27.7 minutes per game 10.7 points per game. 7 rebounds per game. 1.2 assists per game. 2.3. steals per game. 1.5 blocks per game. 2.3. turnovers 4.7 fouls
https://gleague.nba.com/player/kostas-antetokounmpo/
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Update on Kostas G League progress. 27.7 minutes per game 10.7 points per game. 7 rebounds per game. 1.2 assists per game. 2.3. steals per game. 1.5 blocks per game. 2.3. turnovers 4.7 fouls
https://gleague.nba.com/player/kostas-antetokounmpo/
Thanks.
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Surprising
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Update on Kostas G League progress. 27.7 minutes per game 10.7 points per game. 7 rebounds per game. 1.2 assists per game. 2.3. steals per game. 1.5 blocks per game. 2.3. turnovers 4.7 fouls
https://gleague.nba.com/player/kostas-antetokounmpo/
G-league stats are misleading. Anyone who is given 27 minutes per game should be able to come up with 10 points and - if they have size - 7 boards.
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G-league stats are misleading. Anyone who is given 27 minutes per game should be able to come up with 10 points and - if they have size - 7 boards.
I’ll let 4ever take this one 🙉🙊🙈
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Pretty sure he meant 7 chicks, aina?
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Well, at 27 minutes per game, if he was in reasonably good shape, how many times does his coach have to get him off the floor for a blow? 🤔
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Superbar?
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Mid-Season Meltdown Checklist:
- Hiroshima mentions
- Ron Paul Blimp "It's Happening"
- Chico's ban.
- A scooper goes missing, is found on Dodds
- Several self-imposed bans.
- The mods keep muttering about Arby's while locking threads (they're in mid-season form)
- How you feel in GIF threads - then a political fight about the G/J in pronunciation.
- A thread or two lamenting Singleton
- 5 threads about what the Greek Freak's brother could have done.
- NM thread grows exponentially.
- Hoopaloop rises from the ashes.
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Kostas pulled up to NBA
https://madison.com/sports/basketball/professional/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-brother-kostas-antetokounmpo-together-in-nba-for/article_2a599c65-7911-5767-afa8-3959f94803c3.html
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Kostas pulled up to NBA
https://madison.com/sports/basketball/professional/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-brother-kostas-antetokounmpo-together-in-nba-for/article_2a599c65-7911-5767-afa8-3959f94803c3.html
Cool.
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Kostas pulled up to NBA
https://madison.com/sports/basketball/professional/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-brother-kostas-antetokounmpo-together-in-nba-for/article_2a599c65-7911-5767-afa8-3959f94803c3.html
Think he'll commit to MU in the spring signing period or wait until fall?
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Kostas pulled up to NBA
https://madison.com/sports/basketball/professional/bucks-giannis-antetokounmpo-brother-kostas-antetokounmpo-together-in-nba-for/article_2a599c65-7911-5767-afa8-3959f94803c3.html
Hermie, it's done. Kostas was a bad college player with academic issues. What happens beyond college it's irrelevant to Marquette....even more irrelevant than it already was
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Dallas signs Giannis' brother a couple weeks before the trade deadline, and the Mavs reportedly want to shake up their lineup. Pretty desperate, if you ask me....
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Hermie, it's done. Kostas was a bad college player with academic issues. What happens beyond college it's irrelevant to Marquette....even more irrelevant than it already was
You are correct, this is a superbar conversation now not related to MU.
But HC pointed out something positive about the guy which is worth some points in my book. Thanks for the link HC.
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Not new, it was all over local TV when Dallas played here on MLK day. Giannis even told the announcers that Kostas missed his name being called on draft day because "he had to go to the potty". Guess when the draft got to #63 Kostas figured it was OK to pee.