NFC North/NFL Thread 2016-17

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Man, that Derek Carr injury sucks. Raiders were fun to watch this year.

[jesmu84]

Bears have 3rd pick if they lose like they should next week. If they have #3, I fully expect Kizer or Trubisky to be the pick

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Bears have 3rd pick if they lose like they should next week. If they have #3, I fully expect Kizer or Trubisky to be the pick

For the love of god, not Kizer. Hope Watson falls to 3. If not, would rather get an impact defensive player.

[brandx]

Bears have 3rd pick if they lose like they should next week. If they have #3, I fully expect Kizer or Trubisky to be the pick

Do you think that would be a smart pick, Jes? Or is it just your prediction?

I think either a safety or a DB.

[GooooMarquette]

The consensus is out on the Queens, and it is is that their season is over.

They sure did a nice job of capitalizing on that 5-1 start....

[brandx]

Back to back 3 and outs (with a thinned out defense due to injuries) is one way to guarantee your defense won't be stopping much.

I certainly understand that...... but 744 yards and 5 TDs to Barkley and Bradford (maybe the two worst QBs in the entire league).

John Boy Billy Ray Bob is crazy if he doesn't have Stafford throw it at least 50 times next week.

[wadesworld]

I certainly understand that...... but 744 yards and 5 TDs to Barkley and Bradford (maybe the two worst QBs in the entire league).

John Boy Billy Ray Bob is crazy if he doesn't have Stafford throw it at least 50 times next week.

I'd be all for that. The way Matthews played today Stafford may not make it to halftime. And the turnovers our defense has been creating have been great. Sure they may score 28 points, but if the Lions throw it 50 times the Packers might score 45 points.

[wadesworld]

They sure did a nice job of capitalizing on that 5-1 0 start....

FIFY.

[DegenerateDish]

Bears have 3rd pick if they lose like they should next week. If they have #3, I fully expect Kizer or Trubisky to be the pick

Not a chance on either one of those guys. They love Kaaya, no way they take a QB early (not should they).

[JWags85]

For the love of god, not Kizer. Hope Watson falls to 3. If not, would rather get an impact defensive player.

Watson has fallen out of favor quickly, he's talked like a second rounder now some place.  Bears should grab defense in the first, try to snag him or another in the second.

[brandx]

I'd be all for that. The way Matthews played today Stafford may not make it to halftime. And the turnovers our defense has been creating have been great. Sure they may score 28 points, but if the Lions throw it 50 times the Packers might score 45 points.

When the center rolls the ball on the ground, I don't consider that "creating" a turnover.

[wadesworld]

When the center rolls the ball on the ground, I don't consider that "creating" a turnover.

12 turnovers in 3 games is pretty good no matter how you get them. If Stafford is dropping back to throw the ball 50+ times the Lions will have at least 2 turnovers (whether it's interceptions, fumbles, or a combination), and I believe the Packers have 1 turnover total in the 5 game winning streak. Combine that with how well Rodgers and Montgomery are playing and the Packers would be in very good shape.

[brandx]

Does anyone believe this? Or is it just CYA by Zimmer?

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Vikings went against coach Mike Zimmer's game plan on the first series of Saturday's Week 16 loss to the Packers.

The game plan called for Xavier Rhodes to shadow Jordy Nelson but the Vikings decided early in the week to go off script. Terence Newman asked to cover Nelson during the first half but Zimmer told him to "do what you're supposed to do." Newman shadowed Nelson anyway and got burned for two early touchdowns. Rhodes eventually moved to Nelson and limited him to two second-half catches. Saturday's mutiny against Zimmer marks a fitting end to what has been a disappointing year for the Vikings.

[jesmu84]

Does anyone believe this? Or is it just CYA by Zimmer?

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Vikings went against coach Mike Zimmer's game plan on the first series of Saturday's Week 16 loss to the Packers.

The game plan called for Xavier Rhodes to shadow Jordy Nelson but the Vikings decided early in the week to go off script. Terence Newman asked to cover Nelson during the first half but Zimmer told him to "do what you're supposed to do." Newman shadowed Nelson anyway and got burned for two early touchdowns. Rhodes eventually moved to Nelson and limited him to two second-half catches. Saturday's mutiny against Zimmer marks a fitting end to what has been a disappointing year for the Vikings.

Not CYA. Keep reading. The DBs admitted to it

[brandx]

Not CYA. Keep reading. The DBs admitted to it

The coaches have totally lost the team.

I did read that earlier, but posted because I simply do not believe that Zimmer (who was a DC), the current DC, or any of the other 6 or 7 defensive coaches somehow did not notice for an entire half that the DBs were not following the game plan.

If that really happened, the entire staff needs to be fired.

We may never have the joy of watching the Queens get murdered in the SB again, but we at least can all enjoy them coming apart at the seams.

Plus, they traded a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder for a QB nobody wanted. Sounds almost Bear-ish to me.

[forgetful]

The coaches have totally lost the team.

I did read that earlier, but posted because I simply do not believe that Zimmer (who was a DC), the current DC, or any of the other 6 or 7 defensive coaches somehow did not notice for an entire half that the DBs were not following the game plan.

If that really happened, the entire staff needs to be fired.

We may never have the joy of watching the Queens get murdered in the SB again, but we at least can all enjoy them coming apart at the seams.

Plus, they traded a 1st rounder plus a 4th rounder for a QB nobody wanted. Sounds almost Bear-ish to me.

I believe they did it only for the first possession and then were thoroughly scolded on the sideline.

[jesmu84]

I believe they did it only for the first possession and then were thoroughly scolded on the sideline.

Yup. First series only

[GB Warrior]

Yup. First series only

In a way, it makes it more troubling. Nelson's impact wasn't limited to the first drive - he tortured them the entire first half. So freelancing didn't work, but neither did the gameplan. Complete failure in the first half. They played Zimmer defense in the 2nd with the tough blitz schemes from his Cincy days, but it was too late.

[Skitch]

Just realized that Demetrius Harris, backup tight end for the Chiefs, played basketball at UW-Milwaukee. Panthers have more players in the NFL than the NBA.

[GGGG]

Packers will have trouble at the Lions.  I actually expect the Lions to win rather easily. 

[4everwarriors]

Too much egg in da nog, ai na?

[rocket surgeon]

Too much egg in da nog, ai na?

Some people can handle the nog, but not the eggs

[GooooMarquette]

I believe they did it only for the first possession and then were thoroughly scolded on the sideline.

A possession, a half, a whole game - does it really matter?  The players clearly knew their assignments and still disregarded them.  I'm fine with players who disagree and discuss strategies with coaches - Lloyd Walton did this with Al all the time.  But when the discussion is over and the coach makes the decision, the player's role is to follow the strategy, period.

If Zimmer had any control of this team, it never would have happened.  Once it did, he shouldn't have "scolded" them - he should have benched them. 

[tower912]

Robinson tackling Elliot.  Cowboy Lion call.  Dallas the better team.

[DegenerateDish]

Both the Packers and Lions should have a secret gentleman's agreement to have QB kneel downs 90 straight times on Sunday night.