MUScoop
MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: schubert33 on June 29, 2012, 08:54:16 AM
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I have a source inside MU that has confirmed he has been kickoff the team. He moved out yesterday, and will not be back.
edit: question mark added
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I have a source inside MU that has confirmed he has been kickoff the team. He moved out yesterday, and will not be back.
Not surprised. Too bad, though.
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I have a source inside MU that has confirmed he has been kickoff the team. He moved out yesterday, and will not be back.
Eh....maybe the people who told me that Todd was doing well this summer in the classroom were wrong. (First summer session ends today.)
That would suck if true.
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That would suck.
Not ineligible?? Just kicked off?
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Pretty sad day. MU's best looking freshman since Dominic James. Major upside. Appeared to be taking to Buzz's coaching - i.e.- press conference following Murray State game. Pretty sure neither Buzz or Todd wanted this outcome.
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Pretty sad day. MU's best looking freshman since Dominic James. Major upside. Appeared to be taking to Buzz's coaching - i.e.- press conference following Murray State game. Pretty sure neither Buzz or Todd wanted this outcome.
Either way it hurts the team. One has to lower expectations if he does not come back. I was expecting a nice season from him.
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lucky we got Lockett
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Why is everyone saying this is so sad when we don't know who the "Source" is?
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If true, can't a student athlete be academically suspended for like a semester and then return to the team once grades are up. Happens at all the other schools. Why kick him out? maybe he had more than one chance.
Sucks, because he has the bigtime b-ball skills.
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Always be recruiting!
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lets hope its the same source that made the breaking news of davante's uniform being packed in a bag during the season (!)
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Eh....maybe the people who told me that Todd was doing well this summer in the classroom were wrong. (First summer session ends today.)
That would suck if true.
Maybe it's not solely a result of academics.
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Maybe it's not solely a result of academics.
Was thinking the same thing.
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Maybe it's not solely a result of academics.
Was thinking the same thing.
Care to SPECULATE more?
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Look the kid went to what? 4 high schools in 4 years? He was given the world at this school, these guys get a free ride, access to great facilities, and great academic support. If he failed in his environment it is all on him. We have Lockett, we have TJ, we have Van. Buzz likes guys that work hard, its great that Todd did it on the floor. He should have done it in the classroom as well
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Care to SPECULATE more?
I'd like to speculate that we're getting a 2 guard commitment in the near future.. My source is my Tom Crean bobblehead on my desk here at work.
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It's Friday...
If it happens, it'll be announced this afternoon.
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I'd like to speculate that we're getting a 2 guard commitment in the near future.. My source is my Tom Crean bobblehead on my desk here at work.
Kendrick Nunn please!
If this is true, thanks for hitting that sick floater in Madison Todd!
I'd also like to know what the reasoning was.
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If true, next man up.
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Kendrick Nunn please!
If this is true, thanks for hitting that sick floater in Madison Todd!
I'd also like to know what the reasoning was.
+1 His Madison game made it all worthwhile.
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Care to SPECULATE more?
When I heard from other people's "sources" that Mayo was doing well academically this summer and then heard from someone else's "sources" that Mayo is gone, it's natural to wonder whether something other than academics played a role in his (rumored) dismissal. Don't you think?
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His potential upside is quite high and very sad to see him leave. IMO he was as talented of freshman as we have had in awhile and was looking forward to watching him continue to improve.
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If true, next man up.
Jake Thomas
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Just remember, Marquette cannot *say* it is academics because they are not allowed to comment on a student's academic record. So despite what anyone says officially, it is likely not more than that.
Todd had a hill to climb this summer - but I had heard things about his academic background that suggested that some of these struggles were inevitable. The first summer session ends today and it apparently didn't go as well as we were hoping. It's sad, not just because of the impact it has on the basketball court, but because you want people to succeed in general.
When I heard from other people's "sources" that Mayo was doing well academically this summer and then heard from someone else's "sources" that Mayo is gone, it's natural to wonder whether something other than academics played a role in his (rumored) dismissal. Don't you think?
No honestly I think the person I talked to was simply wrong...or I misinterpreted what they were saying to me.
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Clearly all those speculating about some bad press this summer were wrong...nothing to see here.
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Mayo is still with the Marquette program. He is simply going home for the second session of summer school.
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Mayo is still with the Marquette program. He is simply going home for the second session of summer school.
LOL....thanks Mark. So did he do well enough in the first half to retain eligibility for next year?
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so we should probably wrap this thread up.
maybe push it off a cliff.
and take everything the OP says with a huge grain of salt from now on.
move along, nothing to see here.
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Mayo is still with the Marquette program. He is simply going home for the second session of summer school.
He's going home for summer school? What does that mean? Some kind of correspondence or online courses? Or that he's going home for a bit before the second session starts?
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Maybe it's not solely a result of academics.
Tin foil hat speculation. Source?
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My source tells me not to believe anything on scoop until it is offically reported.
My source: common sense.
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Tin foil hat speculation. Source?
Ugh...we made it 30 or so posts without this stupidity, and even Chicoloop stopped with this idiocy. Need we really resurrect it?
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My source tells me not to believe anything on scoop until it is offically reported.
My source: common sense.
Pretty sums up my reaction to every speculative post on this board.
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Warriorchick Jr. has also just completed her summer session. She has decided not to take any courses during the second session such that she will able to travel with the family on our July vacation. She IS enrolled this fall. Hope that provides scoopers with peace of mind for the upcoming holiday.
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This was awesome to read through.
Clownish.
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Ugh...we made it 30 or so posts without this stupidity, and even Chicoloop stopped with this idiocy. Need we really resurrect it?
It was a joke Brew. Pakuni likes to point that finger.
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Changed the title...how's that? 8-)
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Mark Miller reported that:
"Mayo is still with the Marquette program. He is simply going home for the second session of summer school."
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Mark Miller reported that:
"Mayo is still with the Marquette program. He is simply going home for the second session of summer school."
He also just posted that 10 posts ago.
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Changed the title...how's that? 8-)
Perfect
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Just remember, Marquette cannot *say* it is academics because they are not allowed to comment on a student's academic record. So despite what anyone says officially, it is likely not more than that.
Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
BTW, anyone know what Mark Miller has to say about all this?
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Who's Mark Miller to interfere with the hyperbole, mistatements, hysteria, and over reactions. Who invited someone responsible to the board
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It was a joke Brew. Pakuni likes to point that finger.
;D
So much of that flying around, it's hard to know who's tossing crap on the wall and who's tossing jokes.
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http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=771133#.T-3O9HA9Uzw (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=771133#.T-3O9HA9Uzw)
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Who's Mark Miller to interfere with the hyperbole, mistatements, hysteria, and over reactions. Who invited someone responsible to the board
There was one misstatement. The rest was pretty reasoned discussion and observation based on the misstatement.
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DELETED (Comment didn't make sense based on Mark Miller's M-Night-Shyamalan-like twist in the middle of the thread)
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<------ Read the whole thread, dumbass
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He's going home for summer school? What does that mean? Some kind of correspondence or online courses? Or that he's going home for a bit before the second session starts?
I took Mark's message to mean he was just going back home during the second session time frame. Not that he was literally taking classes during the second session.
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http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=771133#.T-3O9HA9Uzw (http://www.cnycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=771133#.T-3O9HA9Uzw)
Looks like someone Googled "Mayo summer".
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He also just posted that 10 posts ago.
I saw that after, unfortunately you cannot delete post.
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Eh....maybe the people who told me that Todd was doing well this summer in the classroom were wrong. (First summer session ends today.)
Well, I guess they were right. Apparently he is eligible and just going home.
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Looks like someone Googled "Mayo summer".
Just wanted to do some actual investigation so that everyone here had the facts.
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Ain't it ridiculous the goofs out west, da Wisco board is jumping on this already. But of course nuthin' on Jae and DJO getting drafted and Taylor sitting at home... just sayin'... :o
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Mayo is eligible and is not attending second session of summer school, just like Jae and DJO a year ago. He is on the team and eligible.
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It's so annoying that I checked here this morning hoping to get some insight from people on Crowder's and DJO's prospects with their respective new teams. Then I see this headline and spend all morning reading posts, sit through two meetings in a foul mood, and then find out that apparently it's not true (until someone who knows some kid who works in the library and saw Mayo with a backpack says it actually is true).
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Tin foil hat speculation. Source?
You know what the word "maybe" means, right?
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Why wasn't Mayo at Buzz's BBQ getting his Sweet 16 ring?
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Why wasn't Mayo at Buzz's BBQ getting his Sweet 16 ring?
Too hot in here. Just chillin' in da conditionin'.
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Damn it 4ever I was about to write it was too hot!
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My source tells me not to believe anything on scoop until it is offically reported.
My source: common sense.
+1000
;D
So much of that flying around, it's hard to know who's tossing crap on the wall and who's tossing jokes.
And who is cynically using the academic struggles of a 20-some year old kid to keep justifying factless, baseless, irrational hatred of the new admin, because they dare ask kids to pull a C average in the classroom, and have the audacity to have been quoted in newspaper articles. Oh, and to demand rendering of garments and "apologies" about the comically false justifications for aforementioned hatred. THAT is what is a joke.
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Why wasn't Mayo at Buzz's BBQ getting his Sweet 16 ring?
Most people didn't want mayo with their barbecue (rimshot).
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Mayo is still with the Marquette program. He is simply going home for the second session of summer school.
Another reason this site and the discussion on this site is worthless now. Much better sites... Scout, BrewCityBall... out there now
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Another reason this site and the discussion on this site is worthless now. Much better sites... Scout, BrewCityBall... out there now
BCB is good. Scout? GMAFB.
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Great to hear Mark!!!
As an aside discussion on principles.
It's Friday...
If it happens, it'll be announced this afternoon.
I'm getting pretty sick of these friday announcements. Sure I understand the logic, news less observed on weekends, etc.but MU is being somewhat deceitful and must really think people are dumb to keep on doing it.
Just be out front with the bad news and face the music.
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Too hot in here. Just chillin' in da conditionin'.
You don't want to leave mayo out in the hot sun too long, for sure.
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Another reason this site and the discussion on this site is worthless now. Much better sites... Scout, BrewCityBall... out there now
What the hell is the point of commenting on the thread just to bash the site? If you don't like it, don't read it and go elsewhere.
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Hoping MarkMiller is correct.
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I'd take Mark Miller's word over just about anyone elses on the i net regarding MU bball.
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speculation was definitely beginning to abound in this thread.
Pretty soon Mayo was going to be wanted for murder in six states.
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StoneCold
Great point and banking that holding true here. The kid can flat out play.
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Damn it this really scared me. Mayo will be a huge part of the team next year.
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I'd take Mark Miller's word over just about anyone elses on the i net regarding MU bball.
Agree.
speculation was definitely beginning to abound in this thread.
Pretty soon Mayo was going to be wanted for murder in six states.
Todd Mayo is actually Chicos
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I'd take Mark Miller's word over just about anyone elses on the i net regarding MU bball.
Mark Miller=Hoopaloop
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4ever
That got a big response around the office...nicely done.
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? becomes: Why is Mayo going home for a long period when most of the team is here?
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Great to hear Mark!!!
As an aside discussion on principles.
I'm getting pretty sick of these friday announcements. Sure I understand the logic, news less observed on weekends, etc.but MU is being somewhat deceitful and must really think people are dumb to keep on doing it.
Just be out front with the bad news and face the music.
Some have been screaming for professional PR. This is what professional PR does.
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how many more pages before the discussion turns to fishing?
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Professional PR is blatantly obvious I guess, imo. Insulting most media savvy people.
In today's world of 247 fast media I'm not sure a friday evening send off is that effective anymore.
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? becomes: Why is Mayo going home for a long period when most of the team is here?
Maybe he's suspended until the start of first semester (WARNING: TOTAL GUESS HERE), but he did enough in the first summer session to get himself eligible. Therefore, since he's barred from official team activities, why stay around campus when you don't have to? I went home every year over the summer. I know Mayo spent a good amount of last summer playing with his brother and other NBA guys, it's far more beneficial for him to do that than rot in MKE while the other guys are in workouts. Besides, players have gone home over the summer in the past. I'd take this as a good sign more than anything. It likely means he cleared up any academic issues. That's the most likely scenario, but again, A TOTAL GUESS.
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No! Apple is better than Microsoft!!
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Awesome news if this means Mayo is for sure playing next year. He is a huge part of this team due to his ability to score (especially when hitting 3s). I have no sources but if I had to guess, his suspension started after the spring semester and not a few days ago. I'm guessing that may have been when it leaked. It wouldn't shock me if this meant his suspension is lifted.
Either way, I'm very happy this thread took a total 180 when Mark Miller posted.
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Could just rename this board the "Endless MU incorrect rumor-mongoring, tinfoil hat speculation of doom and Chicos bashing board".
Another reason this site and the discussion on this site is worthless now. Much better sites... Scout, BrewCityBall... out there now
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I say Buzz blocks his transfer to WVU
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Big time post madtown..thanks for adding depth to the conversation again!!!
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Big time post madtown..thanks for adding depth to the conversation again!!!
Thanks, oh great self-appointed Scoop ombudsman--because your posts in this thread have been chock full of
FAULKNER-ESQUE prose.
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Awesome news if this means Mayo is for sure playing next year. He is a huge part of this team due to his ability to score (especially when hitting 3s). I have no sources but if I had to guess, his suspension started after the spring semester and not a few days ago. I'm guessing that may have been when it leaked. It wouldn't shock me if this meant his suspension is lifted.
Either way, I'm very happy this thread took a total 180 when Mark Miller posted.
Awesome news that a player I had no reason to believe he was leaving yesterday is still here.
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? becomes: Why is Mayo going home for a long period when most of the team is here?
My guess is they wanted to make sure he got his grades in order during the first session, in case the second session was needed. So, unlike the rest of the team, he put off going home to spend time with family until first session was done.
Again, just a guess.
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Awesome news if this means Mayo is for sure playing next year. He is a huge part of this team due to his ability to score (especially when hitting 3s). I have no sources but if I had to guess, his suspension started after the spring semester and not a few days ago. I'm guessing that may have been when it leaked. It wouldn't shock me if this meant his suspension is lifted.
Either way, I'm very happy this thread took a total 180 when Mark Miller posted.
Where do you get that his suspension has been lifted?...
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Where do you get that his suspension has been lifted?...
I think that assumption was made when Mark Miller said he was "eligible."
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Clearly all those speculating about some bad press this summer were wrong...nothing to see here.
This is the most disappointing part of another disheartening thread. We are reduced to having a true fan of the program (Brew) seemingly just waiting for bad news to confirm that many here were right about Hiroshima (or, as some refer to it now, "bad press") so that he/they can lord it over other true fans of the program.
I get that it's part of the charm of the site, but whatever happens (or doesn't happen) with Todd, let's at least give it a day before the "I told you so's" come out.
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lab_warrior=madtownwarrior
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If anyone says I told you so they are an idiot. Why would anyone be happy with losing a player, especially a talented player?
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I think that assumption was made when Mark Miller said he was "eligible."
Which is why I mentioned in the first place that it's not necessarily about Mayo qualifying or not qualifying. Passing grades don't make you a good student or, in this case, a good enough student to participate with the basketball team.
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Well, is he suspended then?
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Which is why I mentioned in the first place that it's not necessarily about Mayo qualifying or not qualifying. Passing grades don't make you a good student or, in this case, a good enough student to participate with the basketball team.
What's a "good enough" student? Work ethic or just making grades, both?
In terms of grades, he meets the governing body's (NCAA) requirements it seems.
We knew Mayo was going to need help, I wasn't expecting him to magically become a good student over night...it takes time but I don't think we should be giving up on the kid especially when he's putting in the work as it seems.
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I guess you're right Goose, I really don't need to post how craptacular this board is the past 6 months, it's pretty obvious.
Thanks for linking me to Lab - while I am not him I appreciate his bashing of you too.
Please start up your SLUifications before it goes too boring here
Big time post madtown..thanks for adding depth to the conversation again!!!
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I would also like to thank schubert for sharing his knowledge. It appears he was half right and got the ball rolling on more official info coming out (MM taking to the internet circuit, etc.).
Relatively non censored content is what makes this site great, imo.
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I wonder what people enjoy more:
Being OUTRAGED!
or PREPARING to be OUTRAGED!
Been a lot of preparing this summer.
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Is this the part where we start attacking each other yet?
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Is this the part where we start attacking each other yet?
Madtownwarrior is already on top of it. Next up, fishing and iPhones.
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madtown
You have mentioned SLU reference 100x since my last mention of it. Not exactly sure how that gets your rocks off. In addition, I wish you would state my stance that I want MU to be UNC or Kentucky as often as SLU reference. I can assure you no one on this board wants to see program continue upward trend more than me.
Bashing me hardly bothers me. Reading your non stop posts on comments I made in April and March just seems crazy to me. The mod pointed out two weeks ago that your SLU posts were old and yet they continue.
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Is this the part where we start attacking each other yet?
Yep, Hey Skat, F*(# You!
^Sarcasm
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Where do you get that his suspension has been lifted?...
I tried to be careful in my wording. I don't know if this for sure means he's good to go for next year, but it would be awesome if true. Also, I said it wouldn't shock me if that means the suspension is lifted due to as Sultan said, Mark Miller saying he is eligible. Everything here has been speculated that Mayo was suspended due to academic troubles (word of the suspension came out with in the last few days, but while I have no sources, I'm guessing he was suspended well before that due to his lack of involvement in team activities).
I think it's still vague enough to not guarantee that he is suited up for the first game, at least I'm trying to be careful not to jump to fast to that conclusion. However, it definitely seems like good news since there has been a lot of speculation about him here.
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Some have been screaming for professional PR. This is what professional PR does.
Do you want "professional" or "upfront" PR. Professional PR pretty much states that you put out the bad news on Friday. People who are close to the news good or bad will care. But the outliers, or in this case, casual fans, don't see it. They totally miss it.
You "hide" the bad and announce the good on a Tuesday or Wednesday
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Yep, Hey Skat, F*(# You!
^Sarcasm
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m375vsREN41ruvqoyo1_500.gif)
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Do you want "professional" or "upfront" PR. Professional PR pretty much states that you put out the bad news on Friday. People who are close to the news good or bad will care. But the outliers, or in this case, casual fans, don't see it. They totally miss it.
You "hide" the bad and announce the good on a Tuesday or Wednesday
I agree Niv. I was only pointing out that some(many?) have asked for professional PR, and releasing bad news on a Friday is just that.
We are getting what we asked for.
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I agree Niv. I was only pointing out that some(many?) have asked for professional PR, and releasing bad news on a Friday is just that.
We are getting what we asked for.
Personally, I applaud that fully. There are going to be bad and distasteful things, that's just the nature of the beast. I don't think it's too much to hope that those things be handled in a professional manner.
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You know what the word "maybe" means, right?
Yes.
Sorry, was that a rhetorical question?
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I hear Mayo left campus to go fishing for the summer.
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I heard Mayo's starting a Real Chili restaurant on the West Coast with his bro.
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Goose - you are the dick that attacked me first and then followed up with a reference to lab warrior and I being the same... then the SLU slam came out...
in fact, most of my responses to you have been after a slam by you.... (i.e - you made the first attack on the Buzz picnic thread)...
I will treat you the same as you treat me (besides thinking you're an idiot for single-handedly creating a 100 page thread on buzz leaving)...
madtown
You have mentioned SLU reference 100x since my last mention of it. Not exactly sure how that gets your rocks off. In addition, I wish you would state my stance that I want MU to be UNC or Kentucky as often as SLU reference. I can assure you no one on this board wants to see program continue upward trend more than me.
Bashing me hardly bothers me. Reading your non stop posts on comments I made in April and March just seems crazy to me. The mod pointed out two weeks ago that your SLU posts were old and yet they continue.
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Which is why I mentioned in the first place that it's not necessarily about Mayo qualifying or not qualifying. Passing grades don't make you a good student or, in this case, a good enough student to participate with the basketball team.
Hmmm....so Mayo sounds to be NCAA standards good/eligible, yet he's not good enough for MU's standards, and Buzz really wants one of his guys suspended and away from the program indefinitely so he and the other coaching staff cannot be supportive. Makes a lot of sense.
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I believe he is going home for a week and will be back to start the 2nd summer session that starts on July 9th.
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Professional PR is blatantly obvious I guess, imo. Insulting most media savvy people.
In today's world of 247 fast media I'm not sure a friday evening send off is that effective anymore.
Effective for whom?
Release it on a Friday and you have the weekend to avoid talking to the media because you're not in the office.
Add to this July 4th week and some people can conveniently take a vacation and come back to this a week later.
As for the rest of us, we just stew on Scoop and speculate or wait.
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So he's just suspended and not leaving? Thanks for posting.
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Hmmm....so Mayo sounds to be NCAA standards good/eligible, yet he's not good enough for MU's standards, and Buzz really wants one of his guys suspended and away from the program indefinitely so he and the other coaching staff cannot be supportive. Makes a lot of sense.
Maybe he was skipping classes or something. Don't read something into it that isn't there.
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Effective for whom?
Pretty much the entire general public. News ratings take a serious hit on Friday and Saturday, and the logic that a story like this will have run its course by Sunday is pretty accurate. Sure, people that avidly follow the story or the 24-hour news cycle will catch it, but what percentage of the population is that? Maybe 5%? It's just like the story out of Oklahoma that had documented proof that ESPN was telling the Big XII to add Notre Dame despite ESPN's earlier refutations that they ever tell conferences what to do. It was the smoking gun, but because it hit at the same time as the 4-team playoff, no one noticed and the newspaper that had it didn't even push the story. Died before it got off the ground, and I would guess 99% of sports fans even know the story existed, because lord knows ESPN won't be reporting it if they don't absolutely have to.
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Professional PR is blatantly obvious I guess, imo. Insulting most media savvy people.
In today's world of 247 fast media I'm not sure a friday evening send off is that effective anymore.
It seems to me that several members here, myself included, now wait on Fridays to confirm or deny bad news rumors, so I'd have to agree that the effectiveness of this strategy could use some reevaluation.
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Hmmm....so Mayo sounds to be NCAA standards good/eligible, yet he's not good enough for MU's standards, and Buzz really wants one of his guys suspended and away from the program indefinitely so he and the other coaching staff cannot be supportive. Makes a lot of sense.
I have no idea if this post is sarcastic or not. However, based on Ners' history, I have to assume that he really believes this.
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Hmmm....so Mayo sounds to be NCAA standards good/eligible, yet he's not good enough for MU's standards, and Buzz really wants one of his guys suspended and away from the program indefinitely so he and the other coaching staff cannot be supportive. Makes a lot of sense.
If this were the doing of someone other than Buzz Williams, how do you explain Buzz's comment that he's the one who decides when Mayo comes off suspension?
LW: "Buzz, we're going to force you to suspend Todd Mayo. But you get to decide when he's no longer suspended."
BW: (pauses three seconds) "OK, Todd is no longer suspended."
LW: "D'oh!"
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I have no idea if this post is sarcastic or not. However, based on Ners' history, I have to assume that he really believes this.
To think, I was there on Friday, June 29, 2012 at MUScoop when the academic discipline of Nerstory was born!
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I have no idea if this post is sarcastic or not. However, based on Ners' history, I have to assume that he really believes this.
Why don't you comment on what I posted? Another case of when you can't attack the argument, attack the individual??
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If this were the doing of someone other than Buzz Williams, how do you explain Buzz's comment that he's the one who decides when Mayo comes off suspension?
LW: "Buzz, we're going to force you to suspend Todd Mayo. But you get to decide when he's no longer suspended."
BW: (pauses three seconds) "OK, Todd is no longer suspended."
LW: "D'oh!"
Does any of what Buzz said make sense in response to the Mayo suspension?? Here are all of his quotes on the matter:
He’s suspended,” said Williams. “That’s it. No specific incident. Nothing like that, but he is suspended.”
Asked how long the suspension would continue, Williams said, “I don’t know that. I don’t know what the final answer to that will be.
“He hasn’t taken part in anything we’ve done all summer long. I haven’t necessarily tried to hide that, but yes, he’s suspended.”
And so, Williams will decide when the time is right for Mayo’s suspension to be lifted?”
“That’s correct,” said Williams.
So - Let's get this straight - Todd is suspended for "no specific incident, nothing like that, but he is suspended." Furthermore, Buzz when asked how long the suspension would continue said: "I don't know that, I don't know what the final answer will be?" What final answer is Buzz referring to?? Perhaps that given to him from those above? Yet, Buzz is in full control as to when he is reinstated?? Let's not forget the backdrop to all of this is the rumors of academic struggles, the rumors that MU's eligibility standards have increased, and we have knowledge that Todd is apparently NCAA academically eligible...
As someone wrote in another thread...you can lead the horse to water.....lots of thirsty horses around here.
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This thread makes me wish I drank more at Summerfest tonight...
And I drank a LOT...
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It seems to me that several members here, myself included, now wait on Fridays to confirm or deny bad news rumors, so I'd have to agree that the effectiveness of this strategy could use some reevaluation.
You aren't who matters in this. None of us are. The question is whether it ends up on the front page of the Trib of the Journal-Sentinel, or is in the first block of any of the local news. The timing means that the average person isn't even asking the questions. The people diehard enough to be watching for stuff like this make up less than 0.1% of the readership/viewership that MU cares about with this retargeting.
My guess is that come a week from Monday, if you ask the average sports fan in the area about Todd Mayo's suspension, they'll think you're talking about the WVU game. And that's the goal.
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My guess is that if you ask the average sports fan in the area about Todd Mayo's suspension, they'll say "Who?"
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Does any of what Buzz said make sense in response to the Mayo suspension?? Here are all of his quotes on the matter:
He’s suspended,” said Williams. “That’s it. No specific incident. Nothing like that, but he is suspended.”
Asked how long the suspension would continue, Williams said, “I don’t know that. I don’t know what the final answer to that will be.
“He hasn’t taken part in anything we’ve done all summer long. I haven’t necessarily tried to hide that, but yes, he’s suspended.”
And so, Williams will decide when the time is right for Mayo’s suspension to be lifted?”
“That’s correct,” said Williams.
So - Let's get this straight - Todd is suspended for "no specific incident, nothing like that, but he is suspended." Furthermore, Buzz when asked how long the suspension would continue said: "I don't know that, I don't know what the final answer will be?" What final answer is Buzz referring to?? Perhaps that given to him from those above? Yet, Buzz is in full control as to when he is reinstated?? Let's not forget the backdrop to all of this is the rumors of academic struggles, the rumors that MU's eligibility standards have increased, and we have knowledge that Todd is apparently NCAA academically eligible...
As someone wrote in another thread...you can lead the horse to water.....lots of thirsty horses around here.
Sounds like Mayo was letting something fall apart and Buzz is waiting on Mayo to get his crap back together. That would be a case of "How should I know when he gets his shiite together? It's on him" and it would also fulfill a "no specific incident, Mayo just doesn't have his shiite together."
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Does any of what Buzz said make sense in response to the Mayo suspension?? Here are all of his quotes on the matter:
He’s suspended,” said Williams. “That’s it. No specific incident. Nothing like that, but he is suspended.”
Asked how long the suspension would continue, Williams said, “I don’t know that. I don’t know what the final answer to that will be.
“He hasn’t taken part in anything we’ve done all summer long. I haven’t necessarily tried to hide that, but yes, he’s suspended.”
And so, Williams will decide when the time is right for Mayo’s suspension to be lifted?”
“That’s correct,” said Williams.
So - Let's get this straight - Todd is suspended for "no specific incident, nothing like that, but he is suspended." Furthermore, Buzz when asked how long the suspension would continue said: "I don't know that, I don't know what the final answer will be?" What final answer is Buzz referring to?? Perhaps that given to him from those above? Yet, Buzz is in full control as to when he is reinstated?? Let's not forget the backdrop to all of this is the rumors of academic struggles, the rumors that MU's eligibility standards have increased, and we have knowledge that Todd is apparently NCAA academically eligible...
As someone wrote in another thread...you can lead the horse to water.....lots of thirsty horses around here.
Honest question:
Is there anything MU could have said in either in a press release or via Buzz Williams that would have convinced you that this suspension isn't coming from the athletic department? (against the head coach's wishes)
Buzz statement appear pretty straight forward to me.
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So - Let's get this straight - Todd is suspended for "no specific incident, nothing like that, but he is suspended." Furthermore, Buzz when asked how long the suspension would continue said: "I don't know that, I don't know what the final answer will be?" What final answer is Buzz referring to?? Perhaps that given to him from those above? Yet, Buzz is in full control as to when he is reinstated?? Let's not forget the backdrop to all of this is the rumors of academic struggles, the rumors that MU's eligibility standards have increased, and we have knowledge that Todd is apparently NCAA academically eligible...
How do you know that he is "NCAA academically eligible???"
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What a short memory some people have....
The butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker. That is the answer to every material question in this thread.
Pesonally, I'm looking forward to watching a grown, greatly matured Mayo next season.
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Honest question:
Is there anything MU could have said in either in a press release or via Buzz Williams that would have convinced you that this suspension isn't coming from the athletic department? (against the head coach's wishes)
Buzz statement appear pretty straight forward to me.
You continue to be a thirsty horse...put 2 and 2 together. If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team? Did you not see Buzz getting emotional after Todd was talking at the press conference following Murray State game. Todd made strides last year as a person. Buzz was proud. Buzz also was annoyed at the end of the season, and entertained leaving for SMU. How many puzzle pieces do you need before you put it all together??
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and ya wonder why these guys drink. ?-( all this over something he can neither defend himself over nor if any of it is true
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Pretty simple, its all up to Mayo and his maturity. Sounds like if he takes care of his bizness, Buzz will reinstate him.
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You continue to be a thirsty horse...put 2 and 2 together. If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team? Did you not see Buzz getting emotional after Todd was talking at the press conference following Murray State game. Todd made strides last year as a person. Buzz was proud. Buzz also was annoyed at the end of the season, and entertained leaving for SMU. How many puzzle pieces do you need before you put it all together??
IOW, Buzz likes Mayo and Todd made great strides last season. Therefore, Buzz would never suspend him. Sure. That makes sense ::)
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If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team?
I have NO idea what this is about. Of course Mayo is suspended for a specific incident. Buzz simply isn't revealing what that is.
You're kind of putting .2 and .6 together and getting 15.
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You continue to be a thirsty horse...put 2 and 2 together. If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team? Did you not see Buzz getting emotional after Todd was talking at the press conference following Murray State game. Todd made strides last year as a person. Buzz was proud. Buzz also was annoyed at the end of the season, and entertained leaving for SMU. How many puzzle pieces do you need before you put it all together??
I appreciate the honesty, but I'm just not seeing it.
It's not outrageous to think that Todd made a mistake, and his coach suspended him. 1+1=2. The coach won't state a specific incident because MU is handling the matters internally, and if the issue is academic, they can't talk about it. 2+2=4.
I'm not seeing that somehow this is a conspiracy from the upper management levels of MU. Certainly possible, but seems unlikely.
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You continue to be a thirsty horse...put 2 and 2 together. If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team? Did you not see Buzz getting emotional after Todd was talking at the press conference following Murray State game. Todd made strides last year as a person. Buzz was proud. Buzz also was annoyed at the end of the season, and entertained leaving for SMU. How many puzzle pieces do you need before you put it all together??
Two words: Tough Love.
But I suppose if you were the perfect child and had perfect parents who never taught you the meaning of metaphor, then you might as well keep collecting puzzle pieces... at least make sure they're from the same box.
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If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team?
“It’s got to be about more than winning and losing,” Williams later said, still fighting back tears. “When you see kids grow and mature, especially when all the perspective of who they are is not really who they are, I think that’s special.”
That was ironically a direct reference to Todd. If one of Buzz's players is trending in the wrong direction, I would hope Buzz would not look the other way and say, "well, he hasn't really done any one specific thing wrong." And Buzz hasn't done that.
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You continue to be a thirsty horse...put 2 and 2 together. If the kid isn't suspended for a specific incident, why would Buzz suspend a critical piece to next year's team? Did you not see Buzz getting emotional after Todd was talking at the press conference following Murray State game. Todd made strides last year as a person. Buzz was proud. Buzz also was annoyed at the end of the season, and entertained leaving for SMU. How many puzzle pieces do you need before you put it all together??
Ners, you are making too many assumptions again based on your biases. You want to find reasons to dislike LW and SP so you have concocted this scenario of Mayo being eligible according to NCAA standards but not to MU's new standards - which have been implemented by SP and LW.
Yet there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.
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Ners, you are making too many assumptions again based on your biases. You want to find reasons to dislike LW and SP so you have concocted this scenario of Mayo being eligible according to NCAA standards but not to MU's new standards - which have been implemented by SP and LW.
Yet there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.
Has it not been mentioned by Mark Miller and others that he is eligible? Strotty wrote in this thread:
I mentioned in the first place that it's not necessarily about Mayo qualifying or not qualifying. Passing grades don't make you a good student or, in this case, a good enough student to participate with the basketball team.
And let's not forget what was the initial description of Hiroshima - Raised academic standards could have a negative impact on a player or two on the current roster.
As for Scott Pilarz - I don't really have an issue with him, Larry Williams? Yes - I think the guy is a a major ego, and lacking in common sense.
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Yes, he is "eligible." Neither you nor I knows fully what that means. My assumption regarding strotty's comment is that maybe Mayo was missing classes...or study sessions...or whatever.
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Yes, he is "eligible." Neither you nor I knows fully what that means. My assumption regarding strotty's comment is that maybe Mayo was missing classes...or study sessions...or whatever.
I do not really know, but that is my take on it. Buzz would not be happy with any of his players missing classes, especially one that might be a marginal student.
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Yes, he is "eligible." Neither you nor I knows fully what that means. My assumption regarding strotty's comment is that maybe Mayo was missing classes...or study sessions...or whatever.
Both your and Ner's speculations are possible and even logical. I'm rooting very hard for you to be right as it would be much better for the program. I hope (and would bet) that Ners is too.
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I don't think Ners is logical at all. How could he be "eligible," but not really be eligible? Either you are eligible or you aren't.
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Ners, you are making too many assumptions again based on your biases. You want to find reasons to dislike LW and SP so you have concocted this scenario of Mayo being eligible according to NCAA standards but not to MU's new standards - which have been implemented by SP and LW.
Yet there is ZERO evidence to suggest this is the case.
Yes, he is "eligible." Neither you nor I knows fully what that means. My assumption regarding strotty's comment is that maybe Mayo was missing classes...or study sessions...or whatever.
I don't think Ners is logical at all. How could he be "eligible," but not really be eligible? Either you are eligible or you aren't.
So...we both are making assumptions, yet mine are illogical according to you? But to answer your question on How one could be eligible but not really eligible??? Really?!! What has been debated here tirelessly for the last 2 months - that MU was going to be raising its eligibility requirements above NCAA minimums...so..it is in fact possible that Todd could be NCAA eligible, but not MU eligible, correct??
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So...we both are making assumptions, yet mine are illogical according to you?
Yes.
But to answer your question on How one could be eligible but not really eligible??? Really?!! What has been debated here tirelessly for the last 2 months - that MU was going to be raising its eligibility requirements above NCAA minimums...so..it is in fact possible that Todd could be NCAA eligible, but not MU eligible, correct??
I don't think so. If you are ineligible to play for your team, you are ineligible to play period. If what you are asking is "Could he be eligible according to the prior standards, which are the NCAA minimums, but not now." Yes. But that doesn't make him "eligible" now...he would be decidedly "ineligible."
Furthermore, I don't think Mark Miller would parse his words in such a manner.
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My two cents is that we don't know and probably never will know why Todd was suspended so we should all just probably stop the sewing circle.
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My two cents is that we don't know and probably never will know why Todd was suspended so we should all just probably stop the sewing circle.
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I've never been one of those "in the know" about most MU things. When it came to odds and ends about kids from my neck of the woods (Kenosha or Racine), I've gotten some info early, but nothing earthshattering. Us simple folk come here for recruiting info and MU specific info. For presumptuous posts, can't you all just go to people.com or read the national inquirer?
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I've never been one of those "in the know" about most MU things. When it came to odds and ends about kids from my neck of the woods (Kenosha or Racine), I've gotten some info early, but nothing earthshattering. Us simple folk come here for recruiting info and MU specific info. For presumptuous posts, can't you all just go to people.com or read the national inquirer?
This is a fan discussion board where fans of MU basketball can get together over the internet and discuss whatever they like/want to regarding MU basketball. I am not reading the majority of threads going on right now because they don't interest me. It's easy to do. I suggest that you do the same. Live and let live, so to speak.
I do very much appreciate tidbits posted from locals regarding players MU is interested in. so thank you for any posts along those lines. Shalom.
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I just take Buzz at his word. Todd is suspended. Appears like the offense(s) wasn't so egregious that he's kicked off the team or kicked out of school, but obviously it got the attention of the head coach.
I think you have to work pretty hard to find a conspiracy... but a few people are "preparing for OUTRAGE!" again, which seems to be en vogue this summer.
Always be prepared to be mad. Don't just let it happen!
I'll just take this for what it is: A coach trying to correct a player's behavior (either conduct or academic).
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Exactly Guns. I fully expect Todd will be here in the fall.
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He'd be foolish to leave if he has NBA aspirations. He'll be a 22 year old Sophomore by the end of the NCAA tournament...my guess is he needs at least 2 more years to be NBA ready. If he transfers how many GMs will draft a 25 year old Junior? It happens with big men from time to time, but not with guards.
The NBA is obsessed with "upside"; they'll take a 19 year old project before a proven upperclassmen.
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He'd be foolish to leave if he has NBA aspirations. He'll be a 22 year old Sophomore by the end of the NCAA tournament...my guess is he needs at least 2 more years to be NBA ready. If he transfers how many GMs will draft a 25 year old Junior? It happens with big men from time to time, but not with guards.
The NBA is obsessed with "upside"; they'll take a 19 year old project before a proven upperclassmen.
And they'll take many a proven upperclassman before even looking at a completely unproven player such as Todd Mayo.
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speculation was definitely beginning to abound in this thread.
Pretty soon Mayo was going to be wanted for murder in six states.
Maybe he helped Craig James kill those 5 hookers?
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Craig James absolutely killed 5 hookers.
The proof is overwhelming, SMU was dirty.
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Maybe he helped Craig James kill those 5 hookers?
Man, he's even older than we thought, huh?
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Craig James absolutely killed 5 hookers.
The proof is overwhelming, SMU was dirty.
SMU16-20 help him do it.
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"Todd Mayo: Per Instagram photos from his own account, Mayo is currently in South Africa. No other update on his current suspension."
is he exiled or suspended?
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"Todd Mayo: Per Instagram photos from his own account, Mayo is currently in South Africa. No other update on his current suspension."
is he exiled or suspended?
That's dedication. He's summering in the southern hemisphere to acclimate himself to the weather for next basketball season!
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"Todd Mayo: Per Instagram photos from his own account, Mayo is currently in South Africa. No other update on his current suspension."
is he exiled or suspended?
This is probably good news. If he's not taking classes, my guess is that he is eligible but Buzz wanted him away from the program for a few weeks.
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I'm figurin' he's there learnin' cricket. You know, the old hand eye coordination thing.
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"Todd Mayo: Per Instagram photos from his own account, Mayo is currently in South Africa. No other update on his current suspension."
is he exiled or suspended?
Picking up a few rugby lessons from the Springboks? It can only help...the BE can get pretty physical.
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Cat must be hangin w fr diolio (sp?)
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i heard buzz couldn't turn him into a man, so he's giving mandela a crack at him.
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That's dedication. He's summering in the southern hemisphere to acclimate himself to the weather for next basketball season!
ah, winter.
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i heard buzz couldn't turn him into a man, so he's giving mandela a crack at him.
huh?