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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 31, 2019, 07:45:18 AM
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I don't know if people have been following this, but when Deadspin and its sister sites were sold to a private equity firm and branded under "G/O Media," the new owners wanted less politics and more sports coverage. Mirroring the "stick to sports" mantra that many of its detractors had traditionally used. Furthermore, they started using auto-play video advertisements, which its editors and writers complained about.
On Tuesday, as a form of protest, they only ran stories with no sports content. The owners then fired editor Barry Petchesky, and yesterday 8 or 9 of their top writers resigned in protest.
So there goes Deadspin. I know it had its detractors, but it played a role in the sports media landscape. Undoubtedly new editors and writers will be hired, but I doubt it will ever be the same.
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Used to love the site but it went off the rails. So much negativity about literally everything. They all sounded miserable.
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Deadspin was a hourly read 4-5 years ago, but it's time passed. Magary is the only thing worth going back for.
I'm by no means a Stoolie, but the feud with Barstool was/is petty and they definitely were on the losing end consistently.
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Deadspin was a hourly read 4-5 years ago, but it's time passed. Magary is the only thing worth going back for.
I agree with this analysis
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Deadspin was the best site on the internet (non-Scoop category, of course). That only ended this week. Nowhere else combined sports news and highlights with other news, opinion, longform, and investigative journalism the way they did. Calling out BS when it's deserved doesn't make you miserable.
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If nothing else, this makes a fascinating case study on how to destroy an asset and misinterpreting what the core value of an asset actually is. The mismanagement here is going to teach a lot of people a lot of lessons (or at least it should).
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Meh. The best part of Deadspin wasn't the articles/content. It was the reader comments.
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Meh. The best part of Deadspin wasn't the articles/content. It was the reader comments.
Very true. I remembered when I got approved as a commenter, it was a big day 8-9 years ago.
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Deadspin was a hourly read 4-5 years ago, but it's time passed. Magary is the only thing worth going back for.
I'm by no means a Stoolie, but the feud with Barstool was/is petty and they definitely were on the losing end consistently.
The real losers are people who take sides in the Barstool-Deadspin fued (not suggesting you're one of them).
Also, if you've ever referred to Dave Portnoy as "El Prez" in a non-ironic way.
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Deadspin was a hourly read 4-5 years ago, but it's time passed. Magary is the only thing worth going back for.
I'm by no means a Stoolie, but the feud with Barstool was/is petty and they definitely were on the losing end consistently.
Nahhh, Portnoy is a piece of garbage.
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The real losers are people who take sides in the Barstool-Deadspin fued (not suggesting you're one of them).
Also, if you've ever referred to Dave Portnoy as "El Prez" in a non-ironic way.
This.
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The real losers are people who take sides in the Barstool-Deadspin fued (not suggesting you're one of them).
Also, if you've ever referred to Dave Portnoy as "El Prez" in a non-ironic way.
I actually was one of those, Deadspin loyalist for a long time. Then I realized what an idiot I was.
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I really don't understand the allure of Barstool. Let's be jackwagon Bahstahn sports brahs!
I similarly don't really understand getting super defensive for Deadspin. It was a good site with funny articles and a different angle on sports and sports media that was fun to read.
It will be amusing when the entire crew of writers opens Deadrotation.com tomorrow and 100% of G/O's traffic disappears. But that's mostly me enjoying seeing dumb people who hate writers getting comeuppance.
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Stick to sports is great in theory but sports are inherently political. It’s one thing for message boards to avoid them but sites like Deadspin without politics is missing a chunk of what sports is.
Deadspin obviously leaned left and the lack of a counter view was a detriment to them in the end.
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I really don't understand the allure of Barstool. Let's be jackwagon Bahstahn sports brahs!
I similarly don't really understand getting super defensive for Deadspin. It was a good site with funny articles and a different angle on sports and sports media that was fun to read.
It will be amusing when the entire crew of writers opens Deadrotation.com tomorrow and 100% of G/O's traffic disappears. But that's mostly me enjoying seeing dumb people who hate writers getting comeuppance.
Barstool has some good stuff.
PMT is good, not as great as it was, but still good. The Monday NFL recap shows are really good. The fastest two minutes are gold.
Reags their college basketball guy is my favorite college guy right now.
Foreplay has moments, but get to be too Stoolish too often.
Spitting Chiclets is beloved in the hockey community.
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Stick to sports is great in theory but sports are inherently political. It’s one thing for message boards to avoid them but sites like Deadspin without politics is missing a chunk of what sports is.
Deadspin obviously leaned left and the lack of a counter view was a detriment to them in the end.
I'm pretty sure not having a token righty on staff to appease calls for both-side-ism wasn't what killed deadspin.
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Barstool has some good stuff.
PMT is good, not as great as it was, but still good. The Monday NFL recap shows are really good. The fastest two minutes are gold.
Reags their college basketball guy is my favorite college guy right now.
Foreplay has moments, but get to be too Stoolish too often.
Spitting Chiclets is beloved in the hockey community.
Longtime AWL. Still listen to most episodes, at least in part. Their victim routine over losing the ESPN show is getting old, but it's still far, far better than the vast majority sports talk programs out there.
I'm a big hockey fan and I can't listen to Spitting Chiclets, despite many tries. The occasional good hockey talk is ruined by the incessant chatter about that time they hooked up with a "total rocket" in Vancouver.
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I didn't even know there was a beef between Deadspin and Barstool.
Dave Portnoy is a d bag. His dad is hilarious though, at least as a guest on PMT.
PMT is still solid but their guests have gone downhill big time of late. Not a fan of the Monday no guest shows. Very long and they aren't the brightest minds out there. The best parts of their shows are the interviews with guys who have a dry sense of humor and/or are very open (Blake Griffin/Bortles, Koepka, Mr. Portnoy, Jim Harbough, the Spittin Chicklets guys, Joe Buck, Edelman, the Long brothers).
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Used to love the site but it went off the rails. So much negativity about literally everything. They all sounded miserable.
I agree with this. It was a great site for a long time and offered a check on the four letter network's monopoly of sports. At the time, they were the rebels and had cornered the alternative sports coverage market. Now they are competing with sites like The Ringer and Barstool who frankly have done a much better job appealing to their readership and promoting their talent. Whether they lost their way by not "sticking to sports" entirely is up for debate as they never were entirely about sports to begin with, but I do agree their constant complaining about everything and anything was a recipe to drive down readership when their competition was becoming stronger.
Either way, Drew Magary is still one of the best and his "Why Your Team Sucks" series will always be a must read for me.
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No loss to me as I'm not on Deadspin.
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Very true. I remembered when I got approved as a commenter, it was a big day 8-9 years ago.
yeah, I was excited when I "got out of the greys." Often times my assistant would ask what I was laughing at as he could hear me in his office; it was usually DS reader comments. "Why Your Team Sucks" is something I look forward to annually.
I won't make the move to Barstool; a bunch of misogynist d-bags. I'll go wherever Magnary goes.
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yeah, I was excited when I "got out of the greys." Often times my assistant would ask what I was laughing at as he could hear me in his office; it was usually DS reader comments. "Why Your Team Sucks" is something I look forward to annually.
I won't make the move to Barstool; a bunch of misogynist d-bags. I'll go wherever Magnary goes.
This. Before they started getting attacked by a bankrolled effort by Peter Thiel, they were a must read. And to be clear, the quality of most of their writers is why they continued to be bought. The writers' product is company's profit, and wherever guys like Magary, Roth, etc land will be successful. Kudos to them for recognizing the power they had collectively. Not sure what their owners were thinking tbh.
Its unfortunate since it'll likely affect the other good sites in that group - Lifehacker, Kotaku, etc.
I also saw they killed the comments section platform wide
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No loss to me as I'm not on Deadspin.
Thanks for your input. And its a website. Not a drug.
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I'm pretty sure not having a token righty on staff to appease calls for both-side-ism wasn't what killed deadspin.
It’s not what killed them, that was worded wrong on my part. It’s a small part of a much bigger pie
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Sports for people who hate sports!
The last few years, Deadspin became a caricature of themselves, which is too bad as how they were must read for such a long time.
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No loss to me as I'm not on Deadspin.
Congratulations ?
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Other than Awful Announcing putting the story out there. Also, having reads in what they do or not do. Not sure how big they were or not.
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I don't know if people have been following this, but when Deadspin and its sister sites were sold to a private equity firm and branded under "G/O Media," the new owners wanted less politics and more sports coverage. Mirroring the "stick to sports" mantra that many of its detractors had traditionally used. Furthermore, they started using auto-play video advertisements, which its editors and writers complained about.
On Tuesday, as a form of protest, they only ran stories with no sports content. The owners then fired editor Barry Petchesky, and yesterday 8 or 9 of their top writers resigned in protest.
So there goes Deadspin. I know it had its detractors, but it played a role in the sports media landscape. Undoubtedly new editors and writers will be hired, but I doubt it will ever be the same.
It has sucked a long time ago. They can go start their own site, take the financial risk, get backers, write what they want and see if they can survive. If they can, more power to them. If they cannot, it should be a giant data point on why they were being told not to mix stuff up.
There is a HUGE reason ESPN stopped this stuff and it is $$$$ driven.
A huge reason why the NFL got the players to stop their actions. The data we have is overwhelming
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Deadspin was the best site on the internet (non-Scoop category, of course). That only ended this week. Nowhere else combined sports news and highlights with other news, opinion, longform, and investigative journalism the way they did. Calling out BS when it's deserved doesn't make you miserable.
Calling out BS with consistently only one lens was just that...BS.
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I didn't even know there was a beef between Deadspin and Barstool.
Dave Portnoy is a d bag. His dad is hilarious though, at least as a guest on PMT.
PMT is still solid but their guests have gone downhill big time of late. Not a fan of the Monday no guest shows. Very long and they aren't the brightest minds out there. The best parts of their shows are the interviews with guys who have a dry sense of humor and/or are very open (Blake Griffin/Bortles, Koepka, Mr. Portnoy, Jim Harbough, the Spittin Chicklets guys, Joe Buck, Edelman, the Long brothers).
Deadspin realized Barstool had stolen their share of the edgy absurdist sports tangent space and was very much their opposite in terms of PC viewpoints and content. This lead to Deadspin aiming at Barstool to an obsessive degree and gleefully “reporting” on Barstool employees jaywalking or the like.
Another key difference was there is a big element of kayfabe to Barstool that doesn’t exist at Deadspin and they never grasped. For example, El Presidente is absolutely a douche, but nearly everyone who calls Dave Portnoy a dbag hasn’t met him. Dan Katz is a different personality than Big Cat. I have multiple friends/colleagues who met Portnoy off camera/non persona at sporting events or the like and were shocked what a nice approachable dude he is. The same dude has been spearheading 6 figure charity fundraisers and donations for myriad causes from Barstool’s early Boston days.
Their content isn’t for everyone, and even as a Barstool fan for years, the absolute worst component is the hoards of immature fans who think they will gain favor with Barstool personalities by relentlessly attacking anyone who speaks bad of the brand. They’ve tried to curb it, but controlling Internet mobs is gnarly.
I used to be a rabid Deadspin fan but the site absolutely went off the rails as was mentioned earlier. I was always waiting for them to publish an article about why dogs suck and puppies are overrated cause they trended dangerously close. Drew Magary was my favorite Internet writer for years, but even he got aggressively political and spiteful, beyond his normal sarcastic irreverent tone.
At the end of the day, it’s pretty amazing how Deadspin is being viewed in media. It’s still a business after all, they were falling behind all their peers and thumbing their noses at management who dared to value profitability and click through. Misguided idealism IMO
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Hulk Hogan is feeling pretty good today.
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This is all that it is about.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/deadspin-media-industry-dying_n_5dbadc7ae4b0bb1ea375dce7
And, yes I realize that HuffPo is a bunch of snotty nosed millenials, GenY, and Gen Z whiners. So spare me the comments on the source.
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Other than Awful Announcing putting the story out there. Also, having reads in what they do or not do. Not sure how big they were or not.
It's pretty difficult to follow sports and not know what Deadspin is.
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This is all that it is about.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/deadspin-media-industry-dying_n_5dbadc7ae4b0bb1ea375dce7
And, yes I realize that HuffPo is a bunch of snotty nosed millenials, GenY, and Gen Z whiners. So spare me the comments on the source.
The content of that story does nothing to support the headline.
It's true that corporate overlords are buying up media companies and gutting them the way Gordon Gecko wanted to gut Bluestar, but that's not what happened with Deadspin. It's more like its new owners didn't really understand what they were buying, tried to change it in the most clumsy of ways, and it blew up in their face.
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It's pretty difficult to follow sports and not know what Deadspin is.
Depends how you follow it. If you just watch TV. Or just sports radio. Why would you know or even care.
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The content of that story does nothing to support the headline.
It's true that corporate overlords are buying up media companies and gutting them the way Gordon Gecko wanted to gut Bluestar, but that's not what happened with Deadspin. It's more like its new owners didn't really understand what they were buying, tried to change it in the most clumsy of ways, and it blew up in their face.
Or they tried to fix something that wasn’t working in a way that perhaps wasn’t very effective. In an age of engagement ruling all, Deadspin got relatively little engagement. Look no farther than Twitter. Barstool/ESPN/Bleacher Report/etc... bloggers have hundreds of thousands of followers and and get hundreds of comments on posts or links. Deadspin had a fraction of that. The demise of Gawker hurt Deadspin, but they didn’t flourish in the aftermath. If their content and engagement was good enough, they could have rose to the top again. So many of the links that people shared in the last few days to remember Deadspin were years old. The site recently bore very little resemblance to when they set the world on fire with the Manti Teo reporting and others.
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Really glad to see it wasn’t just me feeling that way about deadspin lately. I used to go there multiple times a day. Now I just keep an eye on them on Twitter and maybe click once a week.
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Depends how you follow it. If you just watch TV. Or just sports radio. Why would you know or even care.
If you don’t care, why even post in the topic?
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If you don’t care, why even post in the topic?
Your missing the point on your own statement at 3:43, that I answered.
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Your missing the point on your own statement at 3:43, that I answered.
I didn’t care enough to read your entire post actually.
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Or they tried to fix something that wasn’t working in a way that perhaps wasn’t very effective. In an age of engagement ruling all, Deadspin got relatively little engagement. Look no farther than Twitter. Barstool/ESPN/Bleacher Report/etc... bloggers have hundreds of thousands of followers and and get hundreds of comments on posts or links. Deadspin had a fraction of that. The demise of Gawker hurt Deadspin, but they didn’t flourish in the aftermath. If their content and engagement was good enough, they could have rose to the top again. So many of the links that people shared in the last few days to remember Deadspin were years old. The site recently bore very little resemblance to when they set the world on fire with the Manti Teo reporting and others.
What's happened to Deadspin in the past couple of days had nothing to do with its content, engagement or a need to fix it. Deadspin was of better quality under Leitch and Daulerio, but its tone and content - and, gasp, politics - have been fairly consistent throughout. Deadspin never stuck to sports and it's dumb to think that it would gain more readers and engagement if it did.
Again, this is all about a company that didn't understand what it was buying.
And re: your earlier post, Portnoy's charitable efforts, as laudable as they may be, does not excuse his terrible behavior. He and his site are not mere bystanders to the harassment brigages of Stoolies. They very much encourage it. Arguing that "El Presidente" is somehow just a character he plays is lame rationalization. And plenty of people who've met Portnoy consider him a massive dbag.
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Depends how you follow it. If you just watch TV. Or just sports radio. Why would you know or even care.
Didn’t they break the Te’o fake gf and Favre sexting scandal? There was a time they were breaking news. They were kind of the TMZ of sports stories and covered on those two mediums.
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Didn’t they break the Te’o fake gf and Favre sexting scandal? There was a time they were breaking news. They were kind of the TMZ of sports stories and covered on those two mediums.
Making the best argument ever against Deadspin.
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A huge reason why the NFL got the players to stop their actions.
They did?
Eric Reid still kneels before every game, right in public. Kapernick is still blackballed, but there is absolutely no punishment for any athlete taking a political stance. They tried writing a rule, it was quickly killed after facing significant backlash, and it simply stopped being an issue. But not because "the NFL got the players to stop." As I said, at least one player kneels during the anthem before every single game, home or road. No punishment, no censure, no nothing. The NFL simply ignores him.
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I don't know if people have been following this, but when Deadspin and its sister sites were sold to a private equity firm and branded under "G/O Media," the new owners wanted less politics and more sports coverage. Mirroring the "stick to sports" mantra that many of its detractors had traditionally used. Furthermore, they started using auto-play video advertisements, which its editors and writers complained about.
On Tuesday, as a form of protest, they only ran stories with no sports content. The owners then fired editor Barry Petchesky, and yesterday 8 or 9 of their top writers resigned in protest.
So there goes Deadspin. I know it had its detractors, but it played a role in the sports media landscape. Undoubtedly new editors and writers will be hired, but I doubt it will ever be the same.
Eye cee an opportunity for Nads ta make a cumback, aina?
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Eye cee an opportunity for Nads ta make a cumback, aina?
Show me the Benjamins, baby! I'm having way too much fun to make a comeback unless there are lots of Benjamins.
Now ... a "cumback" ... that sounds more up your alley, Doc.
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What's happened to Deadspin in the past couple of days had nothing to do with its content, engagement or a need to fix it. Deadspin was of better quality under Leitch and Daulerio, but its tone and content - and, gasp, politics - have been fairly consistent throughout. Deadspin never stuck to sports and it's dumb to think that it would gain more readers and engagement if it did.
Again, this is all about a company that didn't understand what it was buying.
And re: your earlier post, Portnoy's charitable efforts, as laudable as they may be, does not excuse his terrible behavior. He and his site are not mere bystanders to the harassment brigages of Stoolies. They very much encourage it. Arguing that "El Presidente" is somehow just a character he plays is lame rationalization. And plenty of people who've met Portnoy consider him a massive dbag.
But there is a skill to having a tone and message without bashing you over the head with it. I can read content from people all over the political spectrum as long as it’s entertaining and not ham fisted. Deadspin got ham fisted and whiny in my opinion. Leitch has a lot in common ideologically with the recent crop and Daluerio was actually slimy and deplorable in many ways, but they were entertaining and engaging content was king, that got lost. To think that Deadspin as it was before the recent acquisition was anything more than a reclamation project is revisionist history, IMO.
And I’ll fully agree Barstool lost control of the supporter crew. I can assure you a brand with the success they have doesn’t want 17 year olds calling people profanities and other demeaning names on their behalf. The loyalty and engagement that built them from a plucky underdog that they readily encouraged to go to bat for them got way out of control. They killed off their own comment section cause it got so bad.
And I’m interested to know who thinks Portnoy the civilian is a massive dbag. I’m not talking people who engaged him on content or went at him for various Barstool grievances. I know 2 pizza owners in NYC, one that that wouldn’t know Barstool from Whirlpool, and the other who hated their Boston slant, who couldn’t speak more highly after they got contacted and did pizza reviews.
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Hulk Hogan is feeling pretty good today.
He was a pawn and may or may not even know any of this is happening. Peter Thiel on the other hand, is really doing his best evil guy laugh.
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They did?
Eric Reid still kneels before every game, right in public. Kapernick is still blackballed, but there is absolutely no punishment for any athlete taking a political stance. They tried writing a rule, it was quickly killed after facing significant backlash, and it simply stopped being an issue. But not because "the NFL got the players to stop." As I said, at least one player kneels during the anthem before every single game, home or road. No punishment, no censure, no nothing. The NFL simply ignores him.
The vast majority got the message and we were let in on what that was...as were other partners. The players are not dumb, the player agents are really really not dumb, and neither is the league. Honest question, are the actions anywhere close to what they were a few years ago by the players...do you believe that? Do you believe ther were reasons why so much was pulled back in terms of their way of protesting?
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God Bless America, aina?
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God Bless America, aina?
God Bless Bad America, apparently.
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Annnnndddddd we’re off the rails.
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The memory hole was hungry this morning.
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The memory hole was hungry this morning.
Arby's needs to serve breakfast.
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But there is a skill to having a tone and message without bashing you over the head with it. I can read content from people all over the political spectrum as long as it’s entertaining and not ham fisted. Deadspin got ham fisted and whiny in my opinion. Leitch has a lot in common ideologically with the recent crop and Daluerio was actually slimy and deplorable in many ways, but they were entertaining and engaging content was king, that got lost. To think that Deadspin as it was before the recent acquisition was anything more than a reclamation project is revisionist history, IMO.
And I’ll fully agree Barstool lost control of the supporter crew. I can assure you a brand with the success they have doesn’t want 17 year olds calling people profanities and other demeaning names on their behalf. The loyalty and engagement that built them from a plucky underdog that they readily encouraged to go to bat for them got way out of control. They killed off their own comment section cause it got so bad.
And I’m interested to know who thinks Portnoy the civilian is a massive dbag. I’m not talking people who engaged him on content or went at him for various Barstool grievances. I know 2 pizza owners in NYC, one that that wouldn’t know Barstool from Whirlpool, and the other who hated their Boston slant, who couldn’t speak more highly after they got contacted and did pizza reviews.
If you want to be a Stoolie and defend Dave Portnoy, that's fine with me. Really. But I also think it's easy enough to find plenty of people who know him and also dislike him (including former employees and business partners who've sued him).
But for the love of God, enough with the "Portnoy the civilian" nonsense. Portnoy the civilian and "El Presidente" who leads harassment campaigns online, threatens his critics, etc., are not two different people. It's the same guy. And your attempt to differentiate is simply a way to excuse his worst behavior. "Oh, well, that's not really Dave. That's El Prez."
Look, it's not all that unusual for a person to be friendly to his/her friends and supporters and support charitable causes. while also being an atrocious piece of sh-t to others.
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The vast majority got the message and we were let in on what that was...as were other partners. The players are not dumb, the player agents are really really not dumb, and neither is the league. Honest question, are the actions anywhere close to what they were a few years ago by the players...do you believe that? Do you believe ther were reasons why so much was pulled back in terms of their way of protesting?
This is false.
The NFL tried and failed. At least one active player is still taking a knee, collecting a large paycheck and facing absolutely no retribution. The issue simply fizzled out, as sometimes happened. If interest in the issue increases again, the NFL might again try and fail.
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Someone just declared victory and went on to the next shiny thing.
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If you want to be a Stoolie and defend Dave Portnoy, that's fine with me. Really. But I also think it's easy enough to find plenty of people who know him and also dislike him (including former employees and business partners who've sued him).
But for the love of God, enough with the "Portnoy the civilian" nonsense. Portnoy the civilian and "El Presidente" who leads harassment campaigns online, threatens his critics, etc., are not two different people. It's the same guy. And your attempt to differentiate is simply a way to excuse his worst behavior. "Oh, well, that's not really Dave. That's El Prez."
Look, it's not all that unusual for a person to be friendly to his/her friends and supporters and support charitable causes. while also being an atrocious piece of sh-t to others.
AJ Daulerio?
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Look, it's not all that unusual for a person to be friendly to his/her friends and supporters and support charitable causes. while also being an atrocious piece of sh-t to others.
It is just sitting there teed up.
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Long live KSK!
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This is false.
The NFL tried and failed. At least one active player is still taking a knee, collecting a large paycheck and facing absolutely no retribution. The issue simply fizzled out, as sometimes happened. If interest in the issue increases again, the NFL might again try and fail.
The NFL had over 200 players take a knee....one still does. Their ratings have rebounded, sponsorships rebounded...as I said...the vast vast vast majority got the message.
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The NFL had over 200 players take a knee....one still does. Their ratings have rebounded, sponsorships rebounded...as I said...the vast vast vast majority got the message.
That is your opinion.
My opinion is that this particular protest lost steam because the reasons behind it had slipped from the headlines. If social issues resurface that energize players, they will protest again -- empowered by the fact that the NFL was unable to establish any deterrent whatsoever.
Now move along and make up another "fact" that you can argue for the sake of arguing.
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This is false.
The NFL tried and failed. At least one active player is still taking a knee, collecting a large paycheck and facing absolutely no retribution. The issue simply fizzled out, as sometimes happened. If interest in the issue increases again, the NFL might again try and fail.
no no no 82, ya got it all wrong-most of the players were going to do the knee thing until their civil rights issues were attended to. so, with the exception of reid, all the others must feel they made a difference and life is good...i guess
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That is your opinion.
My opinion is that this particular protest lost steam because the reasons behind it had slipped from the headlines slipped from the headlines. If social issues resurface that energize players, they will protest again -- empowered by the fact that the NFL was unable to establish any deterrent whatsoever.
Now move along and make up another "fact" that you can argue for the sake of arguing.
bingo! so it is the so called "journalists" who control the narrative? whatever they say or however they portray it, is gospel? that's where the problem is. the media coverage of "stuff" is not like if a tree falls in the woods kinda thing. what they cover and for how long they cover it depends if it fits their belief system and the narrative they want to push. differing degrees of censorship if you will.
so their "social issues" got all better? cool. waiting for them to start doing the knee thingy for things like the 7 year old girl who got shot trick or treating or the under reported rapes by illegals; especially of children. many of the major inner cities have become war zones for innocent, law abiding people. that would be a good one to kneel for, just not during the anthem. maybe a moment of silence before or after the anthem
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bingo! so it is the so called "journalists" who control the narrative? whatever they say or however they portray it, is gospel? that's where the problem is. the media coverage of "stuff" is not like if a tree falls in the woods kinda thing. what they cover and for how long they cover it depends if it fits their belief system and the narrative they want to push. differing degrees of censorship if you will.
so their "social issues" got all better? cool. waiting for them to start doing the knee thingy for things like the 7 year old girl who got shot trick or treating or the under reported rapes by illegals; especially of children. many of the major inner cities have become war zones for innocent, law abiding people. that would be a good one to kneel for, just not during the anthem. maybe a moment of silence before or after the anthem
Oh my god.
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bingo! so it is the so called "journalists" who control the narrative? whatever they say or however they portray it, is gospel? that's where the problem is. the media coverage of "stuff" is not like if a tree falls in the woods kinda thing. what they cover and for how long they cover it depends if it fits their belief system and the narrative they want to push. differing degrees of censorship if you will.
so their "social issues" got all better? cool. waiting for them to start doing the knee thingy for things like the 7 year old girl who got shot trick or treating or the under reported rapes by illegals; especially of children. many of the major inner cities have become war zones for innocent, law abiding people. that would be a good one to kneel for, just not during the anthem. maybe a moment of silence before or after the anthem
The knee “thingy” lead to this
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/31/16956016/colin-kaepernick-donations-full-list-of-organizations-one-million-dollars
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Long live KSK!
Long live Fire Joe Morgan
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bingo! so it is the so called "journalists" who control the narrative? whatever they say or however they portray it, is gospel? that's where the problem is. the media coverage of "stuff" is not like if a tree falls in the woods kinda thing. what they cover and for how long they cover it depends if it fits their belief system and the narrative they want to push. differing degrees of censorship if you will.
so their "social issues" got all better? cool. waiting for them to start doing the knee thingy for things like the 7 year old girl who got shot trick or treating or the under reported rapes by illegals; especially of children. many of the major inner cities have become war zones for innocent, law abiding people. that would be a good one to kneel for, just not during the anthem. maybe a moment of silence before or after the anthem
In addition to completely misrepresenting what I said, this is quite a crazy diatribe, even for you.
Have a lovely weekend. Get some rest.
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In addition to completely misrepresenting what I said, this is quite a crazy diatribe, even for you.
Have a lovely weekend. Get some rest.
It’s what happens when you watch Fox News with your MAGA hat on.
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It’s what happens when you watch Fox News with your MAGA hat on.
Think he moved on to OAN awhile ago.
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bingo! so it is the so called "journalists" who control the narrative? whatever they say or however they portray it, is gospel? that's where the problem is. the media coverage of "stuff" is not like if a tree falls in the woods kinda thing. what they cover and for how long they cover it depends if it fits their belief system and the narrative they want to push. differing degrees of censorship if you will.
so their "social issues" got all better? cool. waiting for them to start doing the knee thingy for things like the 7 year old girl who got shot trick or treating or the under reported rapes by illegals; especially of children. many of the major inner cities have become war zones for innocent, law abiding people. that would be a good one to kneel for, just not during the anthem. maybe a moment of silence before or after the anthem
You take the phrase "total unnatural carnal knowledgeing whackjob" to a new level.
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The knee “thingy” lead to this
https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/31/16956016/colin-kaepernick-donations-full-list-of-organizations-one-million-dollars
And this:
https://theundefeated.com/features/nfl-owners-approve-local-funding-social-justice-initiative-players-discuss-anthem-policy/
The idea that the NFL "made" the players stop kneeling is a fantasy.
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Think he moved on to OAN awhile ago.
I thought he got his news from clickbait articles and "FW: FW: FW: FW:" email chains.
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And this:
https://theundefeated.com/features/nfl-owners-approve-local-funding-social-justice-initiative-players-discuss-anthem-policy/
The idea that the NFL "made" the players stop kneeling is a fantasy.
Just hate to see those unintended consequences
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I thought he got his news from clickbait articles and "FW: FW: FW: FW:" email chains.
Dad?
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Oh my god.
It’s like Brietbart opens the top of his skull and everything they pour in streams out of his mouth...except a lot more incoherently. You can’t fix stupid.
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That is your opinion.
My opinion is that this particular protest lost steam because the reasons behind it had slipped from the headlines. If social issues resurface that energize players, they will protest again -- empowered by the fact that the NFL was unable to establish any deterrent whatsoever.
Now move along and make up another "fact" that you can argue for the sake of arguing.
Ok, I’ll just ignore the players and their agents I deal with all the time on what they told me, both the social concerns they have as well as the realistic economic concerns they also have. As several said, if we piss off 65% of our fans to the point we make ourselves irrelevant, then we have also taken away our bullhorn. Works both ways Mike. But sure, I’ll just ignore them...sounds good. LOL.
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And this:
https://theundefeated.com/features/nfl-owners-approve-local-funding-social-justice-initiative-players-discuss-anthem-policy/
The idea that the NFL "made" the players stop kneeling is a fantasy.
The players chose, themselves, to stop doing it for a myriad of reasons...financial being one of them. Straight from their mouths and the agents that revere sent them. There are better ways to get their message across then how they were doing it, which was alienating their fan base. The nfl had an entire symposium for their partners on the issue because of the financial impacts where numbers were shared, along with reams of data that any partner worth their salt had done on their own.
Yes, the nfl contributed to a fund, that was not the main reason. The players aren’t dumb, and their agents aren’t either.
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I had decent hopes for this thread to be one of the few politics-adjacent conversatons we could keep alive. Should have known better.
IBTL to say that the obsession with turning every sustainable closely-held business, regardless of industry or circumstance, into a derivative or potential investment for qualified investors is going drive us all to ruin.
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I had decent hopes for this thread to be one of the few politics-adjacent conversatons we could keep alive. Should have known better.
IBTL to say that the obsession with turning every sustainable closely-held business, regardless of industry or circumstance, into a derivative or potential investment for qualified investors is going drive us all to ruin.
Yeah I 100% agree, but don’t see much alternative. Outside of changing bankruptcy laws somehow.
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Straight from their mouths and the agents that revere sent them.
Prove it.
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I had decent hopes for this thread to be one of the few politics-adjacent conversatons we could keep alive. Should have known better.
IBTL to say that the obsession with turning every sustainable closely-held business, regardless of industry or circumstance, into a derivative or potential investment for qualified investors is going drive us all to ruin.
Late stage capitalism. Meanwhile tech companies keep reinventing buses