No Moment of Silence?

[TheButlerDidIt]

Kind of disappointed

[Ellenson Guerrero]

For what? The Big East?

[TheButlerDidIt]

Shootings.

[🏀]

Yeah, no need.

[TheButlerDidIt]

Second deadliest mass shooting in US history and about 3/4 of them were school children. NBA paid tribute last night. NFL is on Sunday. Flags are at half mast across the nation. Being a Catholic institution, I thought there'd be a little something.

[🏀]

Second deadliest mass shooting in US history and about 3/4 of them were school children. NBA paid tribute last night. NFL is on Sunday. Flags are at half mast across the nation. Being a Catholic institution, I thought there'd be a little something.

Why?

[TheButlerDidIt]

Why?

I thought the post before was explanation enough. Wow. Carry on with the Dayton or not argument.

[Tugg Speedman]

I thought the post before was explanation enough. Wow. Carry on with the Dayton or not argument.

This is a message board dealing with MU basketball.  Why can't we leave it at that?  If you demand this shooting be discussed here, should we also discuss the fiscal cliff?

[GGGG]

This is a message board dealing with MU basketball.  Why can't we leave it at that?  If you demand this shooting be discussed here, should we also discuss the fiscal cliff?

Its about a Marquette game...and they should have had one.

[Benny B]

Hate to be macabre here, but dozens of children die everyday worldwide.  As a Catholic institution, we should be mindful of tragedies worldwide... not just when they happen to a bunch of white children from well-to-do families.

[TheButlerDidIt]

This is a message board dealing with MU basketball.  Why can't we leave it at that?  If you demand this shooting be discussed here, should we also discuss the fiscal cliff?

I wasn't talking politics. OP was about a moment of silence at a basketball game regarding a tragedy. Was just curious.

[TheButlerDidIt]

Hate to be macabre here, but dozens of children die everyday worldwide.  As a Catholic institution, we should be mindful of tragedies worldwide... not just when they happen to a bunch of white children from well-to-do families.

Ok. It was the second biggest mass shooting in the US (second to VA tech)-regardless of race, religion, or age.

[ATWizJr]

Should have done it.

[mu_hilltopper]

Hey, Marquette doesn't often get a singer for the National Anthem because they claim the song could go long/short depending on the singer and mess up the timing of the game.  An unplanned moment of silence?  Dogs and cats, living together.  Pandemonium! 

[🏀]

I thought the post before was explanation enough. Wow. Carry on with the Dayton or not argument.

Feel free to make the connection to Marquette or Savannah State and I'll stop asking why.

[TheButlerDidIt]

Feel free to make the connection to Marquette or Savannah State and I'll stop asking why.

There is no connection. You are totally and utterly correct. However, NBA had one last night. NFL will on Sunday. All flags half staff across the nation. Does Packers-Bears have a connection? Doc Rivers was teary eyed when asked questions during his post game. Does he have a connection? Do the Celtics have a connection?

It's the decent thing to do is all-but I cannot stress enough how correct you are.

[🏀]

It's the decent thing to do is all-but I cannot stress enough how correct you are.

As long as we agree that I'm correct.

[g0lden3agle]

Take this for what it's worth - I was just at an 8th grade Catholic Youth Organization ball game where we had a moment of silence before the game started. 

I personally think a moment of silence would have been completely appropriate at the game, but am not overly upset that it did not occur.

[g0lden3agle]

As long as we agree that I'm correct.

Man someone needed a confidence boost.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

Might have been nice but its a pretty meaningless gesture in my opinion. I am sure the number of prayers from the Marquette community has been tremendous.

I hope that the victims' families can somehow move forward without a moment of silence in one of the fifty basketball games played this weekend.

[avid1010]

Hate to be macabre here, but dozens of children die everyday worldwide.  As a Catholic institution, we should be mindful of tragedies worldwide... not just when they happen to a bunch of white children from well-to-do families.

agreed.

[Badgerhater]

No need to participate in more grief porn.

[GGGG]

No need to participate in more grief porn.

 

The purpose of a moment of silence is not only to say a silent prayer to the victims and their loved ones, but to let attendees move on to celebrate the moment at hand.

Jesus, sometimes I wonder if people realize that they graduated from a Christian university....

[🏀]

The purpose of a moment of silence is not only to say a silent prayer to the victims and their loved ones, but to let attendees move on to celebrate the moment at hand.

Jesus, sometimes I wonder if people realize that they graduated from a Christian university....

Those that did graduate from a Christian university probably already had their own personal prayer.

[77fan88warrior]

It's the decent thing to do and it costs you nothing but a little time to think about what's really important.

[Goose]

I would say we may disagree on here about MU, Buzz or the admin, but very disappointed that anyone could question need for moment of silence. Not a political post by any means but yesterday was a horrible day in US history and any moment of silence or vigil should not be belittled or discouraged by anyone. I have taken crap from many on here and no have no problem with that... as for anyone saying this is ball board only I think you are unnatural carnal knowledgeed up.

[GGGG]

I would say we may disagree on here about MU, Buzz or the admin, but very disappointed that anyone could question need for moment of silence. Not a political post by any means but yesterday was a horrible day in US history and any moment of silence or vigil should not be belittled or discouraged by anyone. I have taken crap from many on here and no have no problem with that... as for anyone saying this is ball board only I think you are fracked up.

Seriously, there are English soccer teams wearing black arm bands in rememberance, and people here writing it off as "grief porn."

[Skatastrophy]

This whole "let me show you how much empathy I have" is lame. 

[Badgerhater]

This whole "let me show you how much empathy I have" is lame. 

+1

If there was an MU connection then do it.  Otherwise, it's a public display of people wanting others to see them empathize. Grieve with your families and ones you love, not in a basketball arena.

[slingkong]

The purpose of a moment of silence is not only to say a silent prayer to the victims and their loved ones, but to let attendees move on to celebrate the moment at hand.

Jesus, sometimes I wonder if people realize that they graduated from a Christian university....

I'm sure the families affected will not realize or miss the prayers of the 12-13,000 attendees at a basketball game.  Also, speaking of being holier than thou, you just blasphemed.

[Golden Avalanche]

I'm sure the families affected will not realize or miss the prayers of the 12-13,000 attendees at a basketball game.  Also, speaking of being holier than thou, you just blasphemed.

Sporting events all over the country, even internationally, showed some sort of compassion for that event. It wouldn't have been out of place for Marquette to do the same. Especially considering the Milwaukee region had experienced a mass shooting just a few months prior.

[GGGG]

I'm sure the families affected will not realize or miss the prayers of the 12-13,000 attendees at a basketball game. 

Really?  How do you know that? 

[pumata]

As long as we agree that I'm correct.

You are correct. The victims were kids and I am sure their families will mourn them with dignity. This 'we need to have a candle light vigil' impulse is weird. PTM is 100% correct.

[Hards Alumni]

You are correct. The victims were kids and I am sure their families will mourn them with dignity. This 'we need to have a candle light vigil' impulse is weird. PTM is 100% correct.

I tend to agree.  I think people do it because that is what they feel that everyone should just do in that situation.  It has become a social norm.

[pumata]

The purpose of a moment of silence is not only to say a silent prayer to the victims and their loved ones, but to let attendees move on to celebrate the moment at hand.

Jesus, sometimes I wonder if people realize that they graduated from a Christian university....

Who appointed u the moral Nazi? Candle light vigils cheapen what should be a personal mourning. Someone here wrote we rush to do this sort of bs when white folks are hurt. What he didn't say was where is the grief for people of color? I was at Marquette when Rwanda was bleeding huge Hutu and Tutsi human losses on an unimaginable scale. Why didn't anyone demand a moment of silence before any Marquette game? Then little spoiled air headed Diana greases herself with her billionaire boyfriend and the world convulses in agony? As a son of Africa my heart aches for the killings that occur daily in Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Somalia, etc... Where are all the white folks who so love their candle light vigils? Bunch of upper middle class kids get killed in Connecticut and it's like Diana drove into the wall again.

[Golden Avalanche]

Who appointed u the moral Nazi? Candle light vigils cheapen what should be a personal mourning. Someone here wrote we rush to do this sort of bs when white folks are hurt. What he didn't say was where is the grief for people of color? I was at Marquette when Rwanda was bleeding huge Hutu and Tutsi human losses on an unimaginable scale. Why didn't anyone demand a moment of silence before any Marquette game? Then little spoiled air headed Diana greases herself with her billionaire boyfriend and the world convulses in agony? As a son of Africa my heart aches for the killings that occur daily in Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Somalia, etc... Where are all the white folks who so love their candle light vigils? Bunch of upper middle class kids get killed in Connecticut and it's like Diana drove into the wall again.

And, there it is......

[pumata]

I would say we may disagree on here about MU, Buzz or the admin, but very disappointed that anyone could question need for moment of silence. Not a political post by any means but yesterday was a horrible day in US history and any moment of silence or vigil should not be belittled or discouraged by anyone. I have taken crap from many on here and no have no problem with that... as for anyone saying this is ball board only I think you are fracked up.

How do you feel about the Boko Haram suicide attack in a Catholic Church a few weeks ago that killed 12 worshipers and seriously wounded more than 150 women and children? These were Catholics gathered for mass! Where is your pain and agony and calls for a moment of silence for the senseless slaughter of fellow Catholics?????? Or is it their race that makes their death, pain, and suffering invisible to you?

[pumata]

Really?  How do you know that? 

Really? How the hell do YOU know that? Self righteousness is always ugly.

[pumata]

And, there it is......

That's right. There it has been for 500 years on this continent.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

That's right. There it has been for 500 years on this continent.

Not that any life has less value than the other, but the fact that this shooting occured domestically rather than in another violence-plagued country/continent might have something to do with the differences in response, as well as the timing of these tragedies in connection to other acts of violence in the US. It goes along the same lines as violence in the middle east. We are just desensitized to the regularity of occurance.

[GGGG]

Really? How the hell do YOU know that? Self righteousness is always ugly.

Huh?  I'm not the one making the assumptions that they won't miss the prayers.  

[GGGG]

Who appointed u the moral Nazi? Candle light vigils cheapen what should be a personal mourning. Someone here wrote we rush to do this sort of bs when white folks are hurt. What he didn't say was where is the grief for people of color? I was at Marquette when Rwanda was bleeding huge Hutu and Tutsi human losses on an unimaginable scale. Why didn't anyone demand a moment of silence before any Marquette game? Then little spoiled air headed Diana greases herself with her billionaire boyfriend and the world convulses in agony? As a son of Africa my heart aches for the killings that occur daily in Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Somalia, etc... Where are all the white folks who so love their candle light vigils? Bunch of upper middle class kids get killed in Connecticut and it's like Diana drove into the wall again.

Outside of the fact that you called me a Nazi, I honestly think you make some solid points here.

[pumata]

Not that any life has less value than the other, but the fact that this shooting occured domestically rather than in another violence-plagued country/continent might have something to do with the differences in response, as well as the timing of these tragedies in connection to other acts of violence in the US. It goes along the same lines as violence in the middle east. We are just desensitized to the regularity of occurance.

But the killing of Catholics in Kaduna, Nigeria was in a Church during a Sunday Mass. These people were slaughtered for the simple fact of their religion. I would think that rates consideration from a Catholic University. But I am not asking for a moment of silence for them. But I would expect it before one for what happened in Connecticut.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

But the killing of Catholics in Kaduna, Nigeria was in a Church during a Sunday Mass. These people were slaughtered for the simple fact of their religion. I would think that rates consideration from a Catholic University. But I am not asking for a moment of silence for them. But I would expect it before one for what happened in Connecticut.

I think you make a very legitimate point. Unfortunately, I am not so sure the media does.

[Warrior3211]

Really disappointed with a lot of the posts on this thread.  It's not about what countries have the worst tragedies, what race is involved, or how much money someone comes from... These are 6, 7, 8 year old kids who were murdered in cold blood in a place that they should feel secure.  The reason we highlight this event with a moment of silence is to put all horrific events into perspective and realize how lucky we are.  It's not all about whether those people in Newtown know we did it or not.

A sporting event is the perfect chance to take a moment of silence for any tragedy wherever it occurs.  It is a time for people to pray for those involved, reflect on any incidents all over the world that may be significant to you, and thank God for the blessings we have, such as having the opportunity to watch a sporting event live with family and friends.  There are families all over the world who will not be fortunate enough to ever do such a thing.  Grow up people... for those who are trashing this thread or will trash my post, I'll take a moment of silence in my day for you.

[tower912]

I am not opposed to a moment of silence, but pumata makes some very good points.   Were there moments of silence after the mass killings in Scandinavia involving dozens more children?    But we can debate this out to infinity.    MU chose to not have a moment of silence this past weekend.    Oh, well.   If I lived in Connecticut, I would be looking for a deputy for whom to buy a donut.   Triaging that place must have been horrific.

[pumata]

I think you make a very legitimate point. Unfortunately, I am not so sure the media does.

The media wants hype in order to charge higher rates for pushing All New reformulated Tide and Tampons with Wings. The essential point is that some upper middle class kids get killed in Connecticut and it is a big story. An attractive white women disappears in Illinois and her cop husband walks the streets free and it is a big story. A white infant goes missing in Florida and it is daily fodder for Nancy Grace. A white girl disappears in Utah and the press cannot let it go. Change any of that to African American and it doesn't register. There is more tragedy on a Saturday night between midnight and 4 am in Cabrini Green than in a year in Evanston. Where is Nancy Grace or Wolf Blitzer?

[brewcity77]

But the killing of Catholics in Kaduna, Nigeria was in a Church during a Sunday Mass. These people were slaughtered for the simple fact of their religion. I would think that rates consideration from a Catholic University. But I am not asking for a moment of silence for them. But I would expect it before one for what happened in Connecticut.

The sad truth is there are tragic killings occurring all over the world. And while these are no less tragic than the ones in Newtown, they are less-reported than what is going on closer to home. I would be willing to wager more people associated with Marquette had direct or indirect ties to the victims of the Newtown tragedy than there were associated to the Kaduna killings. And I'm willing to wager a lot more people knew about the Newtown killings simply because it has saturated the news since last week whereas I am sure I'm not the only one learning of the Kaduna killings for the first time in this thread.

I guess my advice would be to pick your battles. There is no doubt what you are referring to is tragic and warrants our attention, but under the circumstances, it's going to take a back seat to what is going on in our own country and you won't get anywhere by indicating that one is less deserving of grief simply because the victims weren't all Catholic. Just like trying to call it racism and then using the broad brush of "500 years" as though everyone who is white is still culpable for the atrocities that happened tens and hundreds of years ago.

[pumata]

And, there it is......

There is what? Need I remind you that the basketball team you follow, the reason you post here, is virtually 100% composed of sons of Africa. How dare you dismiss my comments with such a statement then go back to cheering for a bunch of black boys in underwear who evidently humor and entertain you. I spent 4 years at Marquette. I never truly felt accepted for the simple fact of my complexion. I know team members and have gotten to know Glenn Rivers. We compared notes and I can tell you that a black male feels the sting of racism daily and this was includes our time at Marquette. Ask Mr. Rivers how his fellow students felt about his relationship with his now wife Kris. Why should a man who truly stood as the face of the University have to hide his love for a woman? It was people who make comments such as, "there it is..." who deplore the uppity black male be it in matters of academic achievement, business acumen, or interracial relationships. I look forward to the day when we hold a moment of silence for the passing of the latent form of racism embraced by middle class whites who make statements such as the one I have quoted. Golden is the sort of guy who probably has "a couple black friends."

[JD]

There is what? Need I remind you that the basketball team you follow, the reason you post here, is virtually 100% composed of sons of Africa. How dare you dismiss my comments with such a statement then go back to cheering for a bunch of black boys in underwear who evidently humor and entertain you. I spent 4 years at Marquette. I never truly felt accepted for the simple fact of my complexion. I know team members and have gotten to know Glenn Rivers. We compared notes and I can tell you that a black male feels the sting of racism daily and this was includes our time at Marquette. Ask Mr. Rivers how his fellow students felt about his relationship with his now wife Kris. Why should a man who truly stood as the face of the University have to hide his love for a woman? It was people who make comments such as, "there it is..." who deplore the uppity black male be it in matters of academic achievement, business acumen, or interracial relationships. I look forward to the day when we hold a moment of silence for the passing of the latent form of racism embraced by middle class whites who make statements such as the one I have quoted. Golden is the sort of guy who probably has "a couple black friends."

For Christ sakes.....

I'm going to respect the rules of this board, but if we really want to get into fair/unfair and shootings/murders per race, etc i'd be happy to provide you with my email address and we can debate this.  Please don't pull the racism card because this tragedy happened in American in a heavily white populated area.  If the media was to report about killings in south africa, etc, there wouldn't be enough time throughout the day to report them all. This is a big deal because of the age of the involved victims and how often this doesn't happen. But please spare us the racisml lecture.

[ATWizJr]

I am not opposed to a moment of silence, but pumata makes some very good points.   Were there moments of silence after the mass killings in Scandinavia involving dozens more children?    But we can debate this out to infinity.    MU chose to not have a moment of silence this past weekend.    Oh, well.   If I lived in Connecticut, I would be looking for a deputy for whom to buy a donut.   Triaging that place must have been horrific.

  Yeah, probably guess there were....in the country in which the slaughter occurred.

[pumata]

For Christ sakes.....

I'm going to respect the rules of this board, but if we really want to get into fair/unfair and shootings/murders per race, etc i'd be happy to provide you with my email address and we can debate this.  Please don't pull the racism card because this tragedy happened in American in a heavily white populated area.  If the media was to report about killings in south africa, etc, there wouldn't be enough time throughout the day to report them all. This is a big deal because of the age of the involved victims and how often this doesn't happen. But please spare us the racisml lecture.

You miss the point entirely.

[GGGG]

There is what? Need I remind you that the basketball team you follow, the reason you post here, is virtually 100% composed of sons of Africa. How dare you dismiss my comments with such a statement then go back to cheering for a bunch of black boys in underwear who evidently humor and entertain you. I spent 4 years at Marquette. I never truly felt accepted for the simple fact of my complexion. I know team members and have gotten to know Glenn Rivers. We compared notes and I can tell you that a black male feels the sting of racism daily and this was includes our time at Marquette. Ask Mr. Rivers how his fellow students felt about his relationship with his now wife Kris. Why should a man who truly stood as the face of the University have to hide his love for a woman? It was people who make comments such as, "there it is..." who deplore the uppity black male be it in matters of academic achievement, business acumen, or interracial relationships. I look forward to the day when we hold a moment of silence for the passing of the latent form of racism embraced by middle class whites who make statements such as the one I have quoted. Golden is the sort of guy who probably has "a couple black friends."

I think you are the one making assumptions and presumptions now.  I mean, how do you know Golden isn't a son of Africa as well?  Does he "post like a white boy?"

Look, you made your point, and I'm sorry that your Marquette experience wasn't satisfactory.  But you're over your skis here.  The fact is that the Newtown tragedy is getting more airplay than a church bombing in Nigeria because it happened in this country, and people in this country can relate more to happenings in Connecticut than they can in Nigeria.  

[ATWizJr]

There is what? Need I remind you that the basketball team you follow, the reason you post here, is virtually 100% composed of sons of Africa. How dare you dismiss my comments with such a statement then go back to cheering for a bunch of black boys in underwear who evidently humor and entertain you. I spent 4 years at Marquette. I never truly felt accepted for the simple fact of my complexion. I know team members and have gotten to know Glenn Rivers. We compared notes and I can tell you that a black male feels the sting of racism daily and this was includes our time at Marquette. Ask Mr. Rivers how his fellow students felt about his relationship with his now wife Kris. Why should a man who truly stood as the face of the University have to hide his love for a woman? It was people who make comments such as, "there it is..." who deplore the uppity black male be it in matters of academic achievement, business acumen, or interracial relationships. I look forward to the day when we hold a moment of silence for the passing of the latent form of racism embraced by middle class whites who make statements such as the one I have quoted. Golden is the sort of guy who probably has "a couple black friends."

 

So, you think the national outrage would have been less if the 20 kids slaughtered in their classroom were "sons/daughters of Africa?"  Disagree.  And, wouldn't they have been son/daughters of America?    

[TheButlerDidIt]

Di also did not "grease" herself, her drunken chauffeur did.

[TheButlerDidIt]

Lock? Superbar?

[Lennys Tap]

If you can get past the racism/bigotry in his/her posts, Pumata makes some good points. Thing is, it's human nature (not just being "white folks") that dictates how we react to senseless tragedies. When something happens on American soil (including innocent black children caught in the crossfire of a gang shooting), people are more apt to light candles, attend vigils, etc.

Part of it is the  media coverage (or lack thereof). Part of it is that people (silly people) actually think they can stop the evil/insanity here but acknowledge their helplessness in faraway places. Maybe people triage their anger/grief and by the time they get past family, local, country there's not a great deal left.

The crap about Diana - I agree with Pumata, but it's not racial, it's celebrity.

[TheButlerDidIt]

I should add that I also think the Di silence thing was crap.

[Golden Avalanche]

There is what? Need I remind you that the basketball team you follow, the reason you post here, is virtually 100% composed of sons of Africa. How dare you dismiss my comments with such a statement then go back to cheering for a bunch of black boys in underwear who evidently humor and entertain you. I spent 4 years at Marquette. I never truly felt accepted for the simple fact of my complexion. I know team members and have gotten to know Glenn Rivers. We compared notes and I can tell you that a black male feels the sting of racism daily and this was includes our time at Marquette. Ask Mr. Rivers how his fellow students felt about his relationship with his now wife Kris. Why should a man who truly stood as the face of the University have to hide his love for a woman? It was people who make comments such as, "there it is..." who deplore the uppity black male be it in matters of academic achievement, business acumen, or interracial relationships. I look forward to the day when we hold a moment of silence for the passing of the latent form of racism embraced by middle class whites who make statements such as the one I have quoted. Golden is the sort of guy who probably has "a couple black friends."

From a posting of four words, a comma, and an ellipsis you were able to psychologically deconstruct me. Thanks for saving me some money.

[Real Chilly Podcast]

pumata is the only one here being racist.

if this killing were at a school that was mostly minorities, the story would still be equally as painful and mainstreamed because it was children who were killed.

for someone to repeatedly point out that the victims were "upper middle class WHITE children" and then imply that watching basketball is our equivalent of having a chamber jester dance for us is both insulting and ignorant.

you shrug off this tragedy because of the race of the children and then suggest that we don't care about anyone in Africa?  

you are a disgusting person with some major resentment issues directed at a single race.  

THAT -- is what a racist is

[mu_hilltopper]

This is why we can't have nice things.