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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 10:37:18 PM

Title: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 10:37:18 PM
Sultan is one of the obvious, begging-for-it people that must be banned before people who follow the rules leave.

Chitownwhatever is another. MU82 is begging.

All should be banned for months, announced to the community as to the length.

Most of us try to follow the rules. Chitown, Sultan.. they know they are defying it and don't care. My fear is that it's due to their alignment with the mods' beliefs. The mods' beliefs shouldn't come into this... but their inaction will force some hands.... not good.

If you can auto-change 'right', or 'skol vikings'... but not their words... or you can scream "NO POLITICS" but allow what they have said... might be time for me to exit. Hope not to.

Mods, please do the right thing.

Either change the rules, or have a heavy hand with those who openly scream, "I don't care if I get banned for this!!! I'm so righteous". You're pissing people off. It's your right to do whatever you wish, but you're upsetting a lot of your users.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: wadesworld on September 26, 2017, 10:44:58 PM
#ThanksTrump
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 26, 2017, 10:56:58 PM
I'm pretty sure that at least one of the mods has called me an SJW and "master of PC" (and not in a good way) before. So I'm not convinced that the mods (or least of all of the mods) political leanings go that direction.

I'm also only aware of one poster who's ever been given a vacation for politics (Keefe). I thought all the other ones were for general trolling. But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that at least one of the mods has called me an SJW and "master of PC" (and not in a good way) before. So I'm not convinced that the mods (or least of all of the mods) political leanings go that direction.

I'm also only aware of one poster who's ever been given a vacation for politics (Keefe). I thought all the other ones were for general trolling. But I could be wrong.

A lot more deserve it. And by their own admission. Some of your views, TAMU, I completely disagree with. I think they are horrible. But, you're not blatantly disrespectful of the site's policy (and most of the time you're thoughtful and usually on point)... guaranteed we differ politically, probably religiously.. but, I have no beef with that.

However, when little foreign living, no job having punks come on here and scream "screw this country I don't care if I get banned"... BAN THAT MF'R. Simple.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: drewm88 on September 26, 2017, 11:05:08 PM
A lot more deserve it. And by their own admission. Some of your views, TAMU, I completely disagree with. I think they are horrible. But, you're not blatantly disrespectful of the site's policy (and most of the time you're thoughtful and usually on point)... guaranteed we differ politically, probably religiously.. but, I have no beef with that.

However, when little foreign living, no job having punks come on here and scream "screw this country I don't care if I get banned"... BAN THAT MF'R. Simple.

As long as we're enforcing rules...

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Respect other posters.  Insults, and flames will not be tolerated
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 11:06:55 PM
As long as we're enforcing rules...

Where's the issue? No blatant disregard for the rules... unlike, "I don't care if I get banned!!!!!!!!!"

#StayInYoLane
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: drewm88 on September 26, 2017, 11:10:58 PM
Where's the issue? No blatant disregard for the rules... unlike, "I don't care if I get banned!!!!!!!!!"

#StayInYoLane

What is calling someone a "little foreign living, no job having punk" and "MF'R" if not blatant disregard for the rule of respecting and not insulting other posters?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on September 26, 2017, 11:11:19 PM
We don't have a lot of rules.  And clearly the ones we do have are too much for people to handle by themselves (JB, that means you too).  Trump set off a firestorm with his NFL comments, so now it's impossible to have an NFL thread without it being political.  So that one gets some leeway right now. 

Title IX thread?  I'll shut that down.  But people (Chicos! MU82! and others) need to stop taking these  isolated political threads and letting them bleed over to the other threads. 

I'm just about done with it.  Oh, and I do appreciate "reports" of politics.  But if you report, and then reply with a political slant in the thread, you're not really helping things.  Just a thought for some of you.

Oh, and if you don't like the moderation.  Please leave.  Don't just threaten it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 11:11:35 PM
What is calling someone a "little foreign living, no job having punk" and "MF'R" if not blatant disregard for the rule of respecting and not insulting other posters?

Locker room talk.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on September 26, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
We don't have a lot of rules.  And clearly the ones we do have are too much for people to handle by themselves (JB, that means you too).  Trump set off a firestorm with his NFL comments, so now it's impossible to have an NFL thread without it being political.  So that one gets some leeway right now. 

Title IX thread?  I'll shut that down.  But people (Chicos! MU82! and others) need to stop taking these  isolated political threads and letting them bleed over to the other threads. 

I'm just about done with it.  Oh, and I do appreciate "reports" of politics.  But if you report, and then reply with a political slant in the thread, you're not really helping things.  Just a thought for some of you.

Oh, and if you don't like the moderation.  Please leave.  Don't just threaten it.  Thanks.

My initial issue was about the Chitownxxx kid who said, "I don't care if I get banned, blah blah blah" and went off on a political ramp. Why is that not a ban? It's not about a thread getting shut down. There have been multiple people on here who have stated, "i don't care about the rules, eff you, i'm saying it!!!"

That's the issue. And it's bad.

Your response is "Please leave. Don't just threaten it. Thanks."

Nice, thanks for the hospitality. I see where you're at exactly.

I'll monitor to see if the appropriate changes are made. Maybe you'll get your wish. Thanks again.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: rocky_warrior on September 26, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
I'll monitor to see if the appropriate changes are made. Maybe you'll get your wish. Thanks again.

Hah.  Good thing we've got JB here to monitor us.  lol.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jockey on September 26, 2017, 11:38:06 PM
Hah.  Good thing we've got JB here to monitor us.  lol.

Ridiculous.

This misogynist little creep wants to run the board now? -
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Benny B on September 26, 2017, 11:54:01 PM
Ridiculous.

This misogynist little creep wants to run the board now? -

In fairness, if it were one of our esteemed scoopers of your alignment who had started the thread using the exact same words (obviously, viced to versa), would you be calling them a misogynist little creep?  Meethinks not. 

Such is why we no longer have civil discourse in this country.  No principles, no consistency, no rules, no compromise, no understanding, no wisdom..... just "me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and maybe you (but only if you agree with me)."   Again, both sides here, folks.  I'm not pointing a finger at anyone , I'm pointing all ten and still coming up way short.

But that's not the real problem.  Try to think for yourself (i.e. not walk in lockstep with one side or the other), and you're ostracized by all.  Wonderful.  Reminds me of the words of a famous military leader:

"What makes a man turn neutral?  Power?  Lust for gold?  With enemies, you know where they stand but with neutrals?  They make me sick."

Ignorance and arrogance (ignorrogance?) knows not the bounds of philosophy.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 27, 2017, 12:44:33 AM
In fairness, if it were one of our esteemed scoopers of your alignment who had started the thread using the exact same words (obviously, viced to versa), would you be calling them a misogynist little creep?  Meethinks not. 

Such is why we no longer have civil discourse in this country.  No principles, no consistency, no rules, no compromise, no understanding, no wisdom..... just "me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and maybe you (but only if you agree with me)."   Again, both sides here, folks.  I'm not pointing a finger at anyone , I'm pointing all ten and still coming up way short.

But that's not the real problem.  Try to think for yourself (i.e. not walk in lockstep with one side or the other), and you're ostracized by all.  Wonderful.  Reminds me of the words of a famous military leader:

"What makes a man turn neutral?  Power?  Lust for gold?  With enemies, you know where they stand but with neutrals?  They make me sick."

Ignorance and arrogance (ignorrogance?) knows not the bounds of philosophy.

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Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jockey on September 27, 2017, 12:59:04 AM
In fairness, if it were one of our esteemed scoopers of your alignment who had started the thread using the exact same words (obviously, viced to versa), would you be calling them a misogynist little creep?  Meethinks not. 

Such is why we no longer have civil discourse in this country.  No principles, no consistency, no rules, no compromise, no understanding, no wisdom..... just "me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and maybe you (but only if you agree with me)."   Again, both sides here, folks.  I'm not pointing a finger at anyone , I'm pointing all ten and still coming up way short.

But that's not the real problem.  Try to think for yourself (i.e. not walk in lockstep with one side or the other), and you're ostracized by all.  Wonderful.  Reminds me of the words of a famous military leader:

"What makes a man turn neutral?  Power?  Lust for gold?  With enemies, you know where they stand but with neutrals?  They make me sick."

Ignorance and arrogance (ignorrogance?) knows not the bounds of philosophy.

Quite the impressive rant.

But I would ask you to think a bit more. Obviously, you and I differ greatly re: the state of the country/world. But I don't recall ever calling you names. Then again, I don't recall you calling me any names when you call me out, either. That is how it works. Despite our disagreements, I consider you to be consistent and intellectually honest (intellonest?). I respect what you post - even when you are snarkier than I.

JB is a different animal. Attacks posters at will and then whines like a melted snowflake. I have no problem calling him out in blunt terms.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MarquetteDano on September 27, 2017, 01:55:40 AM
The people who tend to get booted add very little to the MARQUETTE discussion.  After all,  that is why we are here.... we are Marquette fans whatever your creed, politics, et al.

All of the people in this fight add a lot to this board as it relates to Marquette basketball and NCAA basketball in general.  I understand a lot of you disagree on various items such as politics but can we please find a way to get to basketball season so we can enjoy it.

I, for one,  would be disappointed if anyone left on their own volition or was booted.

Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: reinko on September 27, 2017, 06:39:35 AM
Methinks the OP who has LONG posting history of both homophobic and sexist comments should take a long look in the mirror.

Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: brewcity77 on September 27, 2017, 06:48:57 AM
It's absolutely laughable that this was posted yesterday. So I assume we are also not going to discuss the FBI's investigation of NCAA basketball recruiting? That's politics in sports.

Politics and sports have always gone hand-in-hand in this country. They are linked closer than baseball is with apple pie. That's just reality. You can try to minimize it, and I think the mods have done a good job of that, but politics comes up in sports because sports are politics and politics sports.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 27, 2017, 09:01:32 AM
A few items:

1. Behave.  I can't stress this enough.  We're ~all adults here, and most went to MU.  Act like it.   Really.  Do that, and things will go well.

2. We do our best.   We try.  We fail.  Sorry it's not perfect for you.  Here's your refund.

Frankly, I like political discussion, and very much wanted a political board but people couldn't adhere to point #1, so it was a failed experiment. 

We've always had a 'light touch' on moderating Scoop.    We try to moderate in the dictionary definition sense.  A tuck here, a prune there, and at worst, a timeout when things get beyond reasonable.  TBH, I'm not sure we've ever banned anyone and not let them come back.

Sports and politics do intersect, and I do leave lightly political posts to see how they play out.  Egregious ones get the axe, but often it starts with a weed and two hours later we've got a forest and impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Unfortunately, we've got users -- on both sides -- who need to point out the utter travesty when they read a Scoop post that they prefer not to view or doesn't comply with the rules.   I have some advice:

Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.
Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.
Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.

If you can't enjoy ~80% of Scoop and ignore 20%?  Dodds and IWB have boards, maybe you'll find your 100% there.  We'll welcome you back if you miss us. -- Or start your own site and bask in its awesomeness.   It's a real hoot, I encourage you to try it.

We're glad you're passionate.  But Scoop hasn't been perfect for its 10 years, isn't now, and won't be in the future.   Guaranteed. 

Enjoy your time here.  Really.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 27, 2017, 09:25:00 AM
A few items:

1. Behave.  I can't stress this enough.  We're ~all adults here, and most went to MU.  Act like it.   Really.  Do that, and things will go well.

2. We do our best.   We try.  We fail.  Sorry it's not perfect for you.  Here's your refund.

Frankly, I like political discussion, and very much wanted a political board but people couldn't adhere to point #1, so it was a failed experiment. 

We've always had a 'light touch' on moderating Scoop.    We try to moderate in the dictionary definition sense.  A tuck here, a prune there, and at worst, a timeout when things get beyond reasonable.  TBH, I'm not sure we've ever banned anyone and not let them come back.

Sports and politics do intersect, and I do leave lightly political posts to see how they play out.  Egregious ones get the axe, but often it starts with a weed and two hours later we've got a forest and impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.

Unfortunately, we've got users -- on both sides -- who need to point out the utter travesty when they read a Scoop post that they prefer not to view or doesn't comply with the rules.   I have some advice:

Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.
Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.
Get. Over. It.  Stop reading the thread.  Ignore the poster.   Move along with your lives.

If you can't enjoy ~80% of Scoop and ignore 20%?  Dodds and IWB have boards, maybe you'll find your 100% there.  We'll welcome you back if you miss us. -- Or start your own site and bask in its awesomeness.   It's a real hoot, I encourage you to try it.

We're glad you're passionate.  But Scoop hasn't been perfect for its 10 years, isn't now, and won't be in the future.   Guaranteed. 

Enjoy your time here.  Really.

I’d rather not view this post so I’m going to report it
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 27, 2017, 09:28:29 AM
I’d rather not view this post so I’m going to report it

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
There’s a vocal minority here who just can’t let some stuff go. They try to get strength in numbers or at the very least, yell the loudest. Never seen it this bad and its escalating since last November 8. Frankly, BeeJay has a valid point.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MU82 on September 27, 2017, 10:03:04 AM
topper and Rocky: Very much appreciate your posts and really appreciate you serving in your high-paying gigs as Scoop Monitors. I keep waiting for you to use some of your Scooply riches to treat the rest of us on an all-expense-paid trip to Hawaii - including lots of Kona beer and Kalua pork - but it hasn't happened yet. Cheap arses.

Disclosure: I actually was banned for a few days a couple months ago for too much Trumpiness in my comments. The mod did it quietly, in a polite but terse note to me. I deserved it.

Since then I've tried to avoid gratuitous "Trump sucks" types of posts. As a few others have noted, however, it's pretty impossible to avoid politics entirely with many of these very-much-sports subjects.

Also as a few others have said, always-angry posters who constantly resort to name-calling against everybody they have decided they don't like are far more insulting than any political thread. And yes, I did come up with "Boo-Boo," so I'm not totally innocent here, either!

What would be nice is if, before hitting that POST button, the poster re-reads his or her comment and asks himself or herself, "Did I go over the line here?" Maybe that's too much to ask, I don't know. Again, I admittedly have been guilty of posts I've later regretted.

Lastly, while I agree with stuff that most of y'all have said here, I agree mostly with topper's: Get. Over. It. Stop reading the thread. Ignore the poster. Move along with your lives.

A couple years ago, when chicos was particularly driving me nuts, I put him on ignore and it made my Scoop experience far more enjoyable. Sure, I could still see some of his posts if others responded to them, but I just moved along. Now, no matter the target, I'm more prone to shoot back a sarcastic one-liner because I find it fun and challenging to come up with one.

Oh, and JB ... this MF'R thanks you for starting this thread. I try to F my kids' M whenever I get the chance.

Peace out, everybody.

In before the lock!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Goose on September 27, 2017, 10:30:57 AM
I have been on very little over the past months, but I definitely believe there are folks that cross the line. The argument of ignore the thread or the poster is valid, provided they are posting within the rules. Frankly, I have vastly different political view than some on here and I try to keep those views to myself. When I am on, I hoping to read/discuss anything but politics.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: mu03eng on September 27, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
I think this thread may have cured my addiction to the Superbar. It's really too bad there were some great conversations, wish we could have civil discussions with only occasional insanity(I'm as guilty as anyone for occasionally getting my blood up and letting it impact my posting). However, based on what I see on the main board the SuperBar has gotten too caustic to remain isolated and the value of the SuperBar no longer exceeds it's cost. There are plenty of guilty parties and I'd just ask that people self reflect on what role they've had on increasing the animosity on a basketball board in a time where there is plenty of turmoil that we deal with in out daily lives so no need to add more.

/rant off
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MerrittsMustache on September 27, 2017, 10:45:04 AM
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Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 27, 2017, 11:25:08 AM
I think this thread proves one thing very clearly. It's the offseason. Without our common love of Marquette basketball to bond us things can get very salty. Take Lenny and I for example. We couldn't be more different politically. But during the basketball season, we were part of the "Usual Suspects of Buzz Slurpers" as dubbed by Ners. Marquette basketball is the great unifier!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on September 27, 2017, 11:39:47 AM
I do and I don't miss the Politics board.  At times there could be decent discussion with good perspective on both sides of an issue. But the problem obviously, as pointed out, was that some posters couldn't behave and resorted to either name calling or outright meanness.  Unfortunately, that behavior has found its way into Hangin' at the Al and Superbar threads.  Tolerance is not something that this country has much of, it seems, though many who claim to possess that trait are frequently  the most intolerant.

That said, I have no tolerance for Notre Dame.  ND blows.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: 🏀 on September 27, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
This is all fine and dandy, but let's get the to real issue. Is Arrieta on steroids and is Jay Cutler a mediocre quarterback?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Pakuni on September 27, 2017, 12:37:32 PM
This is all fine and dandy, but let's get the to real issue. Is Arrieta on steroids and is Jay Cutler a mediocre quarterback?

Should Marquette start a football program?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MUfan12 on September 27, 2017, 12:58:33 PM
Should Marquette start a football program?

And goddammit, why can't we be the Warriors?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
Scoop is no better, no worse, no different than society at large.   The country is bisected.   There is a lot of yelling and a lot of taking shots at other viewpoints without pondering the wisdom or perspective that may lurk in them.    It would be nice if we started acting like Jesuit-educated individuals, ones who were taught to think, ponder, and serve.  Sadly, we revert to our more coarse sides and forget about what we have in common, instead focusing on how impossibly pig headed the other is.   Frustrating.    I will try to be the change I want to see in others. 
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: 🏀 on September 27, 2017, 01:04:50 PM
And goddammit, why can't we be the Warriors?

Easy answer, because the student section sucks.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: cheebs09 on September 27, 2017, 01:06:14 PM
Easy answer, because the student section sucks.

What do you expect with such a high acceptance rate?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 27, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
I have been on very little over the past months, but I definitely believe there are folks that cross the line. The argument of ignore the thread or the poster is valid, provided they are posting within the rules. Frankly, I have vastly different political view than some on here and I try to keep those views to myself. When I am on, I hoping to read/discuss anything but politics.

So sex and religion are still on the table.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: tower912 on September 27, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
So sex and religion are still on the table.

Pitino joke goes here. 
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MUfan12 on September 27, 2017, 01:14:45 PM
Easy answer, because the student section sucks.

Cuz they don't drink like we did!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Babybluejeans on September 27, 2017, 01:18:36 PM
Cuz they don't drink like we did!

They will after spotting MU's star player in a walking boot
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: wadesworld on September 27, 2017, 01:18:41 PM
This is all fine and dandy, but let's get the to real issue. Is Arrieta on steroids and is Jay Cutler a mediocre quarterback?

Yes and no.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 27, 2017, 01:19:17 PM
I think this thread proves one thing very clearly. It's the offseason. Without our common love of Marquette basketball to bond us things can get very salty. Take Lenny and I for example. We couldn't be more different politically. But during the basketball season, we were part of the "Usual Suspects of Buzz Slurpers" as dubbed by Ners. Marquette basketball is the great unifier!

It can still get pretty salty, especially when we are losing; but I agree with your premise.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
Scoop is no better, no worse, no different than society at large.   The country is bisected.   There is a lot of yelling and a lot of taking shots at other viewpoints without pondering the wisdom or perspective that may lurk in them.    It would be nice if we started acting like Jesuit-educated individuals, ones who were taught to think, ponder, and serve.  Sadly, we revert to our more coarse sides and forget about what we have in common, instead focusing on how impossibly pig headed the other is.   Frustrating.    I will try to be the change I want to see in others.


Be the Difference, ai na?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: reinko on September 27, 2017, 02:02:15 PM
Yes and no.

On campus arena, but we have to petition the NCAA to allow alcohol sales.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: WI inferiority Complexes on September 27, 2017, 02:22:05 PM
Easy answer, because the student section sucks.

The student section sucks because they closed the 'Lanche.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: real chili 83 on September 27, 2017, 07:39:14 PM
ND sucks
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: real chili 83 on September 27, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
JB and SPW, 2 weeks till 25 ponds of smoked meats. Curing pork belly tonight for bacon.

Mods, you shouldn't let threads go off topic so much. 
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 27, 2017, 07:54:10 PM
  "Oh, and JB ... this MF'R thanks you for starting this thread. I try to F my kids' M whenever I get the chance."


  i don't care what religion, political slant, gender, fav position ;) whatever, this was friggin funny right there.  good one!  ok, now about that boo-boo thang...i don't just let anyone call me boo-boo without sending flowers or a box of chocolates err something ;D

i also thank JB for having the huevos to open this discussion-you da man!!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: GGGG on September 27, 2017, 08:27:35 PM
  "Oh, and JB ... this MF'R thanks you for starting this thread. I try to F my kids' M whenever I get the chance."


  i don't care what religion, political slant, gender, fav position ;) whatever, this was friggin funny right there.  good one!  ok, now about that boo-boo thang...i don't just let anyone call me boo-boo without sending flowers or a box of chocolates err something ;D

i also thank JB for having the huevos to open this discussion-you da man!!


What "huevos" does it really take to say "I think these people should be banned and I'm leaving."

Not too much IMO.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: warriorchick on September 27, 2017, 08:28:04 PM
NM
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: warriorchick on September 27, 2017, 08:31:03 PM
Scoop is no better, no worse, no different than society at large.   The country is bisected.   There is a lot of yelling and a lot of taking shots at other viewpoints without pondering the wisdom or perspective that may lurk in them.    It would be nice if we started acting like Jesuit-educated individuals, ones who were taught to think, ponder, and serve.  Sadly, we revert to our more coarse sides and forget about what we have in common, instead focusing on how impossibly pig headed the other is.   Frustrating.    I will try to be the change I want to see in others.

Funny you should mention that...

https://marquettewire.org/3976469/news/major-changes-coming-to-core-curriculum/


Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2017, 08:32:23 PM
Ho lotta pent up anger by a few vocal blow hards. Musta bin da Nair in der jockstraps dat did it, ai na?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: GGGG on September 27, 2017, 08:35:10 PM
Ah the eternal struggle of getting students to think of the core curriculum as something they simply don't *have* to do...
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: drewm88 on September 27, 2017, 09:48:09 PM
Funny you should mention that...

https://marquettewire.org/3976469/news/major-changes-coming-to-core-curriculum/

That sounds awesome.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: LloydsLegs on September 27, 2017, 09:58:24 PM
State of Scoop - I appreciated the effort with the Pollitics Board, and agreed with the decision to end the experiment.  The politics bleeding into BBall and Superbar threads is annoying, not respectful and mind numbingly repetitive. 

Core Curriculum - One Phil and one Theo class-  I think that is unfortunate, but change or die:  kids want a more “vocational” direction, and I get that, though I am glad that my two went the Liberal Arts route.  If memory serves, as a Lib Arts major, the requirement was 9 and 12 credits (it may still be).  Loved all but one of those classes (Christian Marriage - which I took with my now wife - was an awful, pedantically taught class). 

Hijacking Threads - Well... no matta
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: GGGG on September 27, 2017, 10:02:51 PM
Core Curriculum - One Phil and one Theo class-  I think that is unfortunate, but change or die:  kids want a more “vocational” direction, and I get that, though I am glad that my two went the Liberal Arts route.  If memory serves, as a Lib Arts major, the requirement was 9 and 12 credits (it may still be).  Loved all but one of those classes (Christian Marriage - which I took with my now wife - was an awful, pedantically taught class). 


It was 9 THEO (Intro, Islam, Eastern Christianity) and 12 PHIL (Intro, Theory of Ethics, Philosophy of Art, Contemporary Ethical Issues.)

But if I think what they are trying to do is show how the core is more relevant.  Students can still take THEO and PHIL classes, but they have to be within a certain area.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 27, 2017, 10:08:34 PM
NM

Wrong thread
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Hards Alumni on September 27, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
Wew lads.

Pretty funny when offensive people cry and crab about PC and snowflakes and then get their jimmies rustled by something smaller.

Oh, nope, that's just hypocrisy.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 28, 2017, 07:41:12 AM
Core Curriculum - One Phil and one Theo class-  I think that is unfortunate...

Me too. 
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: CTWarrior on September 28, 2017, 08:39:47 AM
Core Curriculum - One Phil and one Theo class-  I think that is unfortunate

Back in late 70s early 80s we had to take one philosophy (Logic was my PHIL course, easiest class in my 4 years at MU), one sociology and two Theologies.

I was an engineering major, and I took my two Theologies with a Dr. Segovia.  They were the most interesting classes I took at MU (which is why I took the second with him, he was an outstanding lecturer), and probably the only classes I actually enjoyed sitting in.  It is helpful to get kids out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: muwarrior69 on September 28, 2017, 03:23:54 PM
Funny you should mention that...

https://marquettewire.org/3976469/news/major-changes-coming-to-core-curriculum/

As a Catholic student at MU I was required to take 12 credits in both Philosophy (4 courses) and Theology (6 courses as each course was only 2 credits back then, and one of the courses was Christian Marriage with Father McEvoy) despite the fact that I doubled major in Biology and Chemistry.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MU82 on September 29, 2017, 10:26:54 PM
As a Journalism major from 78-82, I had to take 3 Theo and 5 - five! - freakin' Philosophy courses. I ended up actually liking most of my Phil courses, which surprised me. The Theo courses I took, IIRC, were Old Testament, Judaism, and "Theism and Atheism." You waren't gonna get this ol' Bagelmuncher into no Jezzy courses!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Herman Cain on September 29, 2017, 10:34:34 PM
Funny you should mention that...

https://marquettewire.org/3976469/news/major-changes-coming-to-core-curriculum/
Just another example of the school dumbing things down to accommodate the pro Chicago State North crowd. Disappointing but in line with the whole political correct thinking prevalent these days.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: wadesworld on September 29, 2017, 10:55:27 PM
Just another example of the school dumbing things down to accommodate the pro Chicago State North crowd. Disappointing but in line with the whole political correct thinking prevalent these days.

Lol.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 29, 2017, 11:09:36 PM
Just another example of the school dumbing things down to accommodate the pro Chicago State North crowd. Disappointing but in line with the whole political correct thinking prevalent these days.

But we need to get those diversity numbers up to improve our WSJ ranking!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: jsglow on September 30, 2017, 09:22:00 AM
Just another example of the school dumbing things down to accommodate the pro Chicago State North crowd. Disappointing but in line with the whole political correct thinking prevalent these days.

What the eff are you talking about?  Do you even have the first idea of why this is being done?  In fact, do you know ANYTHING about our university?  Just go away.

I respect folks who have differing views on the changing Core.  Those can be rationally debated.  But your statement is borne out of a complete ignorance of the facts facing the curriculum committee.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: forgetful on September 30, 2017, 11:07:13 AM
Just another example of the school dumbing things down to accommodate the pro Chicago State North crowd. Disappointing but in line with the whole political correct thinking prevalent these days.

Ummm...no.  At worst this is merely an advertising pitch, about having a progressive and evolving curriculum directed at educating students in an ever increasingly interdisciplinary world. 

The curriculum doesn't really change much, but they can sell it as the above without having to create a bunch of new courses (read hire new faculty).

At best, it is the university changing the core to better educate students for an ever increasing interdisciplinary world, with the intention of hiring new faculty and developing new courses to reflect these changes.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: vogue65 on September 30, 2017, 11:52:53 AM
As a Catholic student at MU I was required to take 12 credits in both Philosophy (4 courses) and Theology (6 courses as each course was only 2 credits back then, and one of the courses was Christian Marriage with Father McEvoy) despite the fact that I doubled major in Biology and Chemistry.

Fr. MAC got me out of jail and connected me with a lawyer who cleaned my record, may he rest in peace.  MU was great before we gained elite status.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: B. McBannerson on September 30, 2017, 12:13:17 PM
Fr. MAC got me out of jail and connected me with a lawyer who cleaned my record, may he rest in peace.  MU was great before we gained elite status.

Marquette's national reputation has served me well, while not losing the personal charms you talk of locally and regionally. 
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jockey on September 30, 2017, 01:06:51 PM
What the eff are you talking about?  Do you even have the first idea of why this is being done?  In fact, do you know ANYTHING about our university?  Just go away.

I respect folks who have differing views on the changing Core.  Those can be rationally debated.  But your statement is borne out of a complete ignorance of the facts facing the curriculum committee.

Come on Glow. We need rational posters like you. Here, you sound more like me 8-)
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: jsglow on September 30, 2017, 01:58:08 PM
Come on Glow. We need rational posters like you. Here, you sound more like me 8-)

I should probably just put him on ignore.  Nothing useful to say.  Unfortunately HC has useful comments regarding hoops so tough choice.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MU82 on September 30, 2017, 05:17:59 PM
HC has useful comments regarding hoops.

Particularly if you like neck-size and pogo-stick mentions.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: jsglow on September 30, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Particularly if you like neck-size and pogo-stick mentions.

Much value in neck size analysis.  8-)
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: B. McBannerson on October 01, 2017, 10:23:19 AM
Sultan is one of the obvious, begging-for-it people that must be banned before people who follow the rules leave.

Chitownwhatever is another. MU82 is begging.

All should be banned for months, announced to the community as to the length.

Most of us try to follow the rules. Chitown, Sultan.. they know they are defying it and don't care. My fear is that it's due to their alignment with the mods' beliefs. The mods' beliefs shouldn't come into this... but their inaction will force some hands.... not good.

If you can auto-change 'right', or 'skol vikings'... but not their words... or you can scream "NO POLITICS" but allow what they have said... might be time for me to exit. Hope not to.

Mods, please do the right thing.

Either change the rules, or have a heavy hand with those who openly scream, "I don't care if I get banned for this!!! I'm so righteous". You're pissing people off. It's your right to do whatever you wish, but you're upsetting a lot of your users.

There is a lack of common decency at times.  We are all going to have different viewpoints, disagreements, but the name calling isn't necessary.

Case in point. I provided some factual information about Maria because our family was in a state at the time of one of the bigger hurricanes of the last 50 years.  For providing factual information I was called a jerk and told what my views are, which he also got completely wrong. 

Can't we all agree to disagree at times without the personal attacks?

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54409.msg948561#msg948561
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: vogue65 on October 01, 2017, 10:42:18 AM
Marquette's national reputation has served me well, while not losing the personal charms you talk of locally and regionally.

I agree, in fact, more than well.  However, a great education is more than a great job.  It is a life well lived.  We have been going though an identity crisis for 50 years, change and transition is never easy.  On Scoop we have both the good old days and the new paradigm and sometimes we can't talk with each other.

Most of the old elite schools have a long standing culture.   That is how I would define them.  To see the Jesuit culture go to Venice, to see the elite culture go to Massachusetts.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: #UnleashSean on October 01, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
Wait if we're talking about bad mods. Can we talk about when my first account was banned because I asked what happened in a game I missed because of O Chem?
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: B. McBannerson on October 01, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
Case in point #2.  The name calling.  It really is sad.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54503.msg950255#msg950255
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MU82 on October 01, 2017, 03:51:39 PM
Case in point #2.  The name calling.  It really is sad.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=54503.msg950255#msg950255

I'd go look for some occasions in which chicos called others names, but ...

1. I'm too lazy.

2. chicos has been banned, so he obviously wouldn't see my post.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on October 03, 2017, 07:42:17 AM
It's only getting worse. The "politics free zone" (Scoop definition) allows people to spout their political standing, and in no uncertain terms rip other political groupings (albeit in an absurd, generalized way, which makes it even worse.

I call on the mods to give Jokey a much needed timeout, which will result in the betterment of Scoop relative to Warrior (ooops, probably offends Jokey) basketball.

You know I am about as far left...

...Sadly, people like you are the problem (not meant as a personal attack). I say that because it is ONLY when people on the right like you stand up and say something has to be done, that it will happen. We have tried on the left, but every time there is a mass shooting, those on the right say more guns is the answer. Until YOU guys stand up and say that life has value, nothing will be done.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: 4everwarriors on October 03, 2017, 08:08:33 AM
Here, here
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: GGGG on October 03, 2017, 08:57:47 AM
It's only getting worse. The "politics free zone" (Scoop definition) allows people to spout their political standing, and in no uncertain terms rip other political groupings (albeit in an absurd, generalized way, which makes it even worse.


The mods addressed your concerns.  Your participation here is optional.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 03, 2017, 09:24:27 AM
It's only getting worse. The "politics free zone" (Scoop definition) allows people to spout their political standing, and in no uncertain terms rip other political groupings (albeit in an absurd, generalized way, which makes it even worse.

I call on the mods to give Jokey a much needed timeout, which will result in the betterment of Scoop relative to Warrior (ooops, probably offends Jokey) basketball.
So go away and stay away. 
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Pakuni on October 03, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Scoop is fine.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: Jay Bee on October 03, 2017, 09:51:43 AM
So go away and stay away.

The Righteous shall prevail. Repent.
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on October 03, 2017, 09:53:02 AM
The Righteous shall prevail. Repent.
Don't lie, liar!
Title: Re: State of Scoop
Post by: MU82 on October 03, 2017, 12:00:16 PM
Scoop is fine.

This.