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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: nyg on March 14, 2014, 02:10:30 PM
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http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/mike_woodson_a_candidate_to_coach_indiana_hoosiers/16006285?linksrc=story_school_indiana_auto_module_head_16006285
Not one to discuss Crean, but put here for some of you followers. Smoke, there's fire?
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http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/mike_woodson_a_candidate_to_coach_indiana_hoosiers/16006285?linksrc=story_school_indiana_auto_module_head_16006285
Not one to discuss Crean, but put here for some of you followers. Smoke, there's fire?
Who's creating the smoke.....there's your answer. Isaiah isn't available?
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For as long as he has been a head coach at the NBA level, I can't see him going to the college ranks.
Very few do as NBA coaching vets. Too much work. Very little perks.
Larry Brown did it because he's Larry Brown.
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Who's creating the smoke.....there's your answer. Isaiah isn't available?
As much as most of us here hate Indiana, Isaiah would be perfect!
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As much as most of us here hate Indiana, Isaiah would be perfect!
I don't hate Indiana, x. I just hate their coach.
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Does T-Cube then take the D-III Gannon College job and doubles as the van driver?
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Does T-Cube then take the D-III Gannon College job and doubles as the van driver?
And Soccer Field Groundskeeper. Oh the delicious irony...
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I don't hate Indiana, x. I just hate their coach.
+1
I actually used to mildly root for IU. My dad went there for grad school (attended during the 1981 championship), and he bought me tons of IU stuff when I was a kid. I enjoyed Bobby Knight and the candy cane striped warmups.
All of that changed when the Bloomington Bronzed Beast arrived.
I could actually see myself jumping back on the bandwagon once I4 is fired. They do have good, smart, basketball-savvy fans, which is why many of them are unhappy with the Tanned One and his poor coaching abilities. This is a fanbase that is used to filet mignon, and they are being fed salisbury steak.
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I don't hate Indiana, x. I just hate their coach.
IU was my team growing up. Both of my parents graduated from Indiana, and my Grandmother worked there for years. My brother and I spent two weeks in Bloomington every summer. Went to football and basketball games every year - even went to the Rose Bowl when OJ and USC beat the Hoosiers 13-3 on Jan 1, 1968. Still have a Walt Bellamy autographed basketball. I look forward to the day they can be my second favorite team again but that a in' happening until the Bronze Beast has been remove of his duties.
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Crean isn't leaving. $14 million buyout says this is all just blather. Smart negotiating on his part.
I grew up liking IU. Big Bobby Knight fan. Married an Indiana girl who could knowledgably discuss hoops due to her teenage crush on Steve Alford. And I don't hate Crean. I appreciate what he did for MU. I just don't think he is a that good a coach. And listening to my wife tear him up for his inability to attack a zone, for how he used Zeller and Vonleh..... I laugh quietly and nod.
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IU was my team growing up. Both of my parents graduated from Indiana, and my Grandmother worked there for years. My brother and I spent two weeks in Bloomington every summer. Went to football and basketball games every year - even went to the Rose Bowl when OJ and USC beat the Hoosiers 13-3 on Jan 1, 1968. Still have a Walt Bellamy autographed basketball. I look forward to the day they can be my second favorite team again but that a in' happening until the Bronze Beast has been remove of his duties.
I was a big Jimmy Rayl fan.
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IU was my team growing up. Both of my parents graduated from Indiana, and my Grandmother worked there for years. My brother and I spent two weeks in Bloomington every summer. Went to football and basketball games every year - even went to the Rose Bowl when OJ and USC beat the Hoosiers 13-3 on Jan 1, 1968. Still have a Walt Bellamy autographed basketball. I look forward to the day they can be my second favorite team again but that a in' happening until the Bronze Beast has been remove of his duties.
Indiana and DePaul were my two favorite teams when I was a youngster. Was not a fan of Mike Davis, who was clearly over his head. I was actually thrilled when Sampson had them in the Top 10 in no time flat. Cannot stand them now.
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Crean isn't leaving. $14 million buyout says this is all just blather. Smart negotiating on his part.
That buyout changes as the years pass. In 2 years, he could get fired, and will if his performance doesn't improve.
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Agreed. It means that he isn't leaving THIS offseason.
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I was a big Jimmy Rayl fan.
Big fan of his too. I was at the game against Michigan State when he scored 56. With a three point line he might have had 70 that night. Unlimited range.
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Remember the fun conversations from MU fans about how unacceptable it was to go from a Final Four to the NIT the next year. I find those conversations from back then especially interesting this year while watching MU's season unfold.
As I argued then and will argue now, keeping consistent, each year is different. Doesn't matter if you went to the Final Four in 2003 and then the NIT the next year...doesn't matter if we went to the Elite 8 last year and NIT (if) the next year. Players leave, new guys come in, things don't always work out, injuries, leagues change, guys don't develop, coaches don't adjust or are stubborn, whatever. But there was an awful lot of hubris on this board making some of those comparisons and statements back then which look rather humorous (or sad) considering where MU sits today.
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Remember the fun conversations from MU fans about how unacceptable it was to go from a Final Four to the NIT the next year. I find those conversations from back then especially interesting this year while watching MU's season unfold.
As I argued then and will argue now, keeping consistent, each year is different. Doesn't matter if you went to the Final Four in 2003 and then the NIT the next year...doesn't matter if we went to the Elite 8 last year and NIT (if) the next year. Players leave, new guys come in, things don't always work out, injuries, leagues change, guys don't develop, coaches don't adjust or are stubborn, whatever. But there was an awful lot of hubris on this board making some of those comparisons and statements back then which look rather humorous (or sad) considering where MU sits today.
I'm still waiting for the bounce!
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I'm still waiting for the bounce!
I'm still waiting for another Final Four!
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That buyout changes as the years pass. In 2 years, he could get fired, and will if his performance doesn't improve.
Agreed... if they want to move on, it's in IU's best financial interest to wait until 2016.
Buyout amount...
In 2014 - $14 M
In 2015 - $12 M
In 2016 - $7.5 M
In 2017 - $4 M
2018-2020- $1M
http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/The-Financial-Side-of-Firing-Tom-Crean-25866924/1 (http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/The-Financial-Side-of-Firing-Tom-Crean-25866924/1)
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Agreed... if they want to move on, it's in IU's best financial interest to wait until 2016.
Buyout amount...
In 2014 - $14 M
In 2015 - $12 M
In 2016 - $7.5 M
In 2017 - $4 M
2018-2020- $1M
http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/The-Financial-Side-of-Firing-Tom-Crean-25866924/1 (http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/The-Financial-Side-of-Firing-Tom-Crean-25866924/1)
Of corse, willing boosters could accelerate that....
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Unless your name is Bobby Knight, as the Indiana Head Basketball Coach, you are simply waiting to get fired.
With that being said, and I don't think Crean is in danger of losing his job after this year, he would be welcomed with open arms to numerous programs across the country. He would do wonders at a DePaul, Boston College, Saint Louis, Pittsburgh, Georgetown or any other big city/basketball driven program. He is energetic, passionate and can work wonders with alumni. However, unless he wins a national championship at Indiana, he will always be criticized and compared to Knight - as will any coach at IU. Nobody said it was fair, but it is the truth.
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Of corse, willing boosters could accelerate that....
If I had a dollar for every time this board has predicted these things....
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If I had a dollar for every time this board has predicted these things....
The boosters are antsy, though the $$ are rather large unless there are some really heavy duty hitters in the group....I do agree with you.
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I'm still waiting for another Final Four!
Yep, 20% of the way into the second five year plan, most Indiana fans are.
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Crean would do wonders at a
Wabash, Vincennes, Marian, Bethel, St. Mary of the Woods
"It's IN Indiana! It's IN Indiana!"
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Wabash, Vincennes, Marian, Bethel, St. Mary of the Woods
"It's IN Indiana! It's IN Indiana!"
Well done sir. Love the St. Mary of the Woods reference. Don't know if the nuns would budget for a tanning booth.
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I'm still waiting for another Final Four!
Final Four would be nice but I've been excited to get out of the 1st weekend these previous 3 years...
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Why am i supposed to hate the coach who took us too a final 4 and recruited Dwyane Wade? I never understood this.
Guy left and we ended up getting a coach that is just as good or better.
IU got back to a sweet 16.
Sounds like a win win for all?
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Why am i supposed to hate the coach who took us too a final 4 and recruited Dwyane Wade? I never understood this.
Im guessing you never understood it, because nobody ever told you you're supposed to hate him.
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Wabash, Vincennes, Marian, Bethel, St. Mary of the Woods
"It's IN Indiana! It's IN Indiana!"
Women's coach at St. Mary's of Notre Dame
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Why am i supposed to hate the coach who took us too a final 4 and recruited Dwyane Wade? I never understood this.
Guy left and we ended up getting a coach that is just as good or better.
IU got back to a sweet 16.
Sounds like a win win for all?
Totally agree. I will always root for former players and coaches of Marquette. Heck, I even rooted for Tyshawn Taylor at Kansas because he was originally an MU commit (under Crean, ironically).
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I even rooted for Tyshawn Taylor at Kansas
I didn't
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Why am i supposed to hate the coach who took us too a final 4 and recruited Dwyane Wade? I never understood this.
Guy left and we ended up getting a coach that is just as good or better.
IU got back to a sweet 16.
Sounds like a win win for all?
i hate him because he's a jerk, and left like a jerk. final four was great, but it's sports, and it's fun to have people/teams to root for and against. i root against crean because he was an odd ball when he was here, a jerk as he left, and i want marquette to clearly come out the winner on the deal. it's sports...not like i'm wishing poor health on the man or his family.
i don't believe the man would do a dang thing for MU that wasn't also going to benefit him in one fashion or another. i simply feel very different about crean than i do someone like majerus.
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Why am i supposed to hate the coach who took us too a final 4 and recruited Dwyane Wade? I never understood this.
Guy left and we ended up getting a coach that is just as good or better.
IU got back to a sweet 16.
Sounds like a win win for all?
Agreed.
I will always appreciate what he did at MU as a coach. I was starting to fear that 1977 might have been our last Final Four, and will always remember the magical feeling in the Metrodome (rip) when we beat UK. And when he left, he gave us an upgrade on a silver platter.
I lost some respect for him when I learned that he let the players hear about it on ESPN, and wasn't crazy about him using the same "I have loved MU/IU hoops since I was a kid" speech. But lost respect is much different than hatred. I never hated the guy, and never will.
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Agreed.
I lost some respect for him when I learned that he let the players hear about it on ESPN, and wasn't crazy about him using the same "I have loved MU/IU hoops since I was a kid" speech. But lost respect is much different than hatred. I never hated the guy, and never will.
That's OK. Indiana fans have enough hatred for him to go around.
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Does T-Cube then take the D-III Gannon College job and doubles as the van driver?
Gannon is Division II; Al applied for the job here back in the early 1960s.
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Agreed.
I will always appreciate what he did at MU as a coach. I was starting to fear that 1977 might have been our last Final Four, and will always remember the magical feeling in the Metrodome (rip) when we beat UK. And when he left, he gave us an upgrade on a silver platter.
I lost some respect for him when I learned that he let the players hear about it on ESPN, and wasn't crazy about him using the same "I have loved MU/IU hoops since I was a kid" speech. But lost respect is much different than hatred. I never hated the guy, and never will.
He didn't "let" the players hear about it from ESPN. Crean was simply beaten to the punch by media members who needed to break a major story with a powerhouse Indiana program hiring a new coach. Heard from both sides there was always a conversation to be had but by the time he landed back in Milwaukee the news was broken.
Strangely, no one here seems to give a crap when 82 coaches in multiple sports since 2008 haven't been able to talk to their players before ESPN and other outlets have reported their agreement to take the same position at a new school. Women scorned are a vengeful lot.
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He didn't "let" the players hear about it from ESPN. Crean was simply beaten to the punch by media members who needed to break a major story with a powerhouse Indiana program hiring a new coach. Heard from both sides there was always a conversation to be had but by the time he landed back in Milwaukee the news was broken.
Strangely, no one here seems to give a crap when 82 coaches in multiple sports since 2008 haven't been able to talk to their players before ESPN and other outlets have reported their agreement to take the same position at a new school. Women scorned are a vengeful lot.
Thank you...a rational person. No one controls the media and no one can tell ESPN or someone else to hold a story. It sucks it got out, nothing can be done about it. The idea that anyone "let" his team find out about it before an indicated time is silly. Hell, even back in the days of Bob Knight being offered the Wisconsin job, word got out ahead of time before he could tell Army. Thus, he said no to Wisconsin because someone jumped the gun. It happens, people report it and it will only get worse as the news cycle continues on steroids and technology advances where everyone is breaking stories.
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Wabash, Vincennes, Marian, Bethel, St. Mary of the Woods
"It's IN Indiana! It's IN Indiana!"
Or IUSB.
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Gannon is Division II; Al applied for the job here back in the early 1960s.
Wasn't Gannon the next step on the coachin' ladder for the piano man after he left MU?
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/250372631.html
has this been talked about? was it expected? crean hasn't been on twitter since march 9
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sorry - didn't see the other post, but this is an article from bob wolfley-milw. journa
mods-you can either delete or move to other crean topic-thanks
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Don't know if it's true or not, but seems like Woodson would be a good hire.
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i hate him because he's a jerk, and left like a jerk. final four was great, but it's sports, and it's fun to have people/teams to root for and against. i root against crean because he was an odd ball when he was here, a jerk as he left, and i want marquette to clearly come out the winner on the deal. it's sports...not like i'm wishing poor health on the man or his family.
i don't believe the man would do a dang thing for MU that wasn't also going to benefit him in one fashion or another. i simply feel very different about crean than i do someone like majerus.
couldn't have said it better plus he didn't respect the players the way buzz does. i believe crean never found that medium between which players to push and how far. he lost the players
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Hell, even back in the days of Bob Knight being offered the Wisconsin job, word got out ahead of time before he could tell Army. Thus, he said no to Wisconsin because someone jumped the gun.
By your logic Tanned Tommy should have told IIII no since word got out before he could tell Marquette...
In yet one more way The Bronzed Beast is no Bobby Knight. I laugh every time I see Tanned Tommy trying to track down Knight for a conversation after Knight called an IU game. Crean seemed to believe he and Knight had some sort of bond. Knight could have cared less.
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Thank you...a rational person. No one controls the media and no one can tell ESPN or someone else to hold a story. It sucks it got out, nothing can be done about it. The idea that anyone "let" his team find out about it before an indicated time is silly. Hell, even back in the days of Bob Knight being offered the Wisconsin job, word got out ahead of time before he could tell Army. Thus, he said no to Wisconsin because someone jumped the gun. It happens, people report it and it will only get worse as the news cycle continues on steroids and technology advances where everyone is breaking stories.
The fact that Knight didn't take the job tells you something about the difference of character in the two men.
And for the record, I appreciate Creans accomplishments at MU but I thought he was a dbag then just as much as I do now. The guy was as genuine as a 3 dollar bill.
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Yup, all true....just as there were fans that became MU fans for the first time with the Final Four run. Some people don't like certain teams because of certain individuals, others jump on the wagon for the first time because of certain individuals.
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He didn't "let" the players hear about it from ESPN. Crean was simply beaten to the punch by media members who needed to break a major story with a powerhouse Indiana program hiring a new coach. Heard from both sides there was always a conversation to be had but by the time he landed back in Milwaukee the news was broken.
Strangely, no one here seems to give a crap when 82 coaches in multiple sports since 2008 haven't been able to talk to their players before ESPN and other outlets have reported their agreement to take the same position at a new school. Women scorned are a vengeful lot.
Toi bad it was John Harbaugh that squeaked to the radio station.
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The journalism product at the JS continues to amaze the last few years.
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The fact that Knight didn't take the job tells you something about the difference of character in the two men.
And for the record, I appreciate Creans accomplishments at MU but I thought he was a dbag then just as much as I do now. The guy was as genuine as a 3 dollar bill.
Yup, it does tell you that. No one is arguing that. Again, I remind you that all kinds of things happen to people. Some times people leave a program one year in and get sued for it....like Buzz Williams. Bob Knight said don't leak me going to Wisconsin, they did and he didn't come. Etc, etc. We can play this game of examples all day if you wish. No argument from me.
Crean is a jerk, been saying it for years and I'm the only one on this board that I know of that had to work with him. That being said, the level of obnoxiousness, sometimes outright lies, etc that also populate here....and certainly the hypocrisy around him always hits levels that are off the charts.
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The journalism product at the JS continues to amaze the last few years.
The basketball product at Indiana University continues to dumbfound the last 6 years.
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If Knicks fire Mike Woodson, he could land coaching gig with Indiana Hoosiers
According to a source, Woodson would be a top candidate at his alma mater if current coach Tom Crean does not return to the Hoosiers program.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/woodson-land-hoosiers-article-1.1721216
Mike Woodson is a long shot to survive the anticipated purge at MSG. However, he may have a job lined up sooner than later. According to a source, Woodson would be a top candidate at his alma mater, Indiana University, if current coach Tom Crean does not return. The source claims that several prominent IU boosters are pushing to buy out Crean and install Woodson, a product of Indianapolis, as the coach.
Last season, Crean led Indiana to a Big Ten title and a No. 1 seeding in the NCAA Tournament. On Thursday, the Hoosiers (17-15) were knocked out of the conference tournament in the first round. The Hoosiers are hopeful to receive an NIT bid. Woodson has never been a college head coach.
Woodson, according to a team source, has been resigned to the fact that this would be his last season with the Knicks even before last Friday, when the Daily News first reported that Madison Square Chairman James Dolan had offered Phil Jackson a front-office job. Jackson has said on numerous occasions that he is no longer interested in coaching.
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Crean, who is active on Twitter, has not tweeted since March 9:
@TomCrean "The rich and the poor have this in common, The Lord is the maker of them all." Proverbs 22:2.
6:00 PM - 9 Mar 2014
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By your logic Tanned Tommy should have told IIII no since word got out before he could tell Marquette...
In yet one more way The Bronzed Beast is no Bobby Knight. I laugh every time I see Tanned Tommy trying to track down Knight for a conversation after Knight called an IU game. Crean seemed to believe he and Knight had some sort of bond. Knight could have cared less.
Nope, he isn't Bobby Knight...few people are. I doubt that anyone that takes the job next will be either. Knight could have cared less about anything IU, he refuses to acknowledge anything with the program, won't return, won't allow the court to be named after him, etc. Just the way it is and hardly surprising to anyone here.
And no, that's not what he should have told IU. It was a move up from MU, more money, better school, better program...you take it. Not surprising. His bro-in-law broke the news, not IU. Big difference from the UW RMK situation.
I still contend if Crean is ever out at IU, it will be because he leaves not because he is fired.
At any rate, the hypocrisy never ends here....always fun to watch and the justification for the hypocrisy is usually the best...BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE HIM WE CAN BE HYPOCRITES. LOL
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The basketball product at Indiana University continues to dumbfound the last 6 years.
The one that has won 6 of 8 from Michigan and won the Big Ten title for the first time in 20+ years last year? If that's the case, I would think you need to expand your 6 years to 15+ years. ;)
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Good news is Wisconsin won't make the NCAA tournament and we are going....eh Heisenburg? :P
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Good news is Wisconsin won't make the NCAA tournament and we are going....eh Heisenburg? :P
Are you happy I was wrong about this?
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Toi bad it was John Harbaugh that squeaked to the radio station.
You know, somebody really needs to give the Harbaughs some payback for that incident. Someone should broadcast to the world a Harbaugh career move on Twitter just because. Serve them right.
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The New York Post
March 14, 2014
Woodson: Don’t think of me for Hoosiers job
http://nypost.com/2014/03/14/angry-woodson-dont-think-of-me-for-hoosiers-job/
Knicks coach Mike Woodson knows what it feels like to have a job and hear about all the candidates being lined up for that position.
So Woodson on Friday attacked a report saying he could be a candidate at the University of Indiana if coach Tom Crean were not retained. Woodson said he received a call about the published report.
“First and foremost, that’s not me. I have a great deal of respect for Tom Crean and what he’s done at Indiana University, and I’m going to leave it at that,” Woodson said. “Because I don’t like being affiliated with no one’s job that a coach is already in position as coach. It’s tough enough on all of us as coaches. I don’t care what level it is. I’ve said that ever since I’ve been here.”
And this season, with the Knicks currently at 26-40 and out of playoff position, Woodson has heard one name after another as his replacement.
“I can’t control none of that, that’s for sure. But I just think it’s ugly in our business when things like that happen because, again, it’s not easy being a coach,” Woodson said. “And I don’t care what level it is or what sport it is. It’s a tough profession, but we enjoy doing what we do, so I mean I’ve got to respect the game and respect the coaching part of it because it is a fragile thing.”
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I still contend if Crean is ever out at IU, it will be because he leaves not because he is fired.
History has witnessed many "resignations..."
You won't have Nixon to kick around!
I am not a crook!
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No Mas!
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I shall return!
I will cross the Yalu!
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I have served the people long enough!
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I am resigning to pursue leadership opportunities outside of the university.
(http://sitracking.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ap291923837960.jpg?w=600&h=375)
"leaving Marquette is a decision that involved a great deal of prayer, thought, and spiritual conversation, a decision that evolved gradually over two years. But once I
came to clarity, I decided it was best to act in a timely manner. Both the clarity and timing are entirely mine, despite the efforts of friends and colleagues to convince me to consider remaining at Marquette."
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Get Those JUCOs out of the Building!
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The journalism product at the JS continues to amaze the last few years.
That we can agree on
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Are you happy I was wrong about this?
I'm not happy about it, but you started a ridiculous thread and deserve to get sh!t for it
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The one that has won 6 of 8 from Michigan and won the Big Ten title for the first time in 20+ years last year? If that's the case, I would think you need to expand your 6 years to 15+ years. ;)
You mean the Michigan Wolverine squad that went to the National Championship game last April? Or this year's team that, despite losing two first round draft picks, sits atop the B1G and is poised to make another deep run in the Tournament?
By the way, how did IU do this season?
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Crean lied about the process and had plenty of time to tell his players. He signed the letter of intent 24 hrs prior to saying he was even contacted by Eddie Fogler. Complete BS. Went on TV in Bloomington and lied to a reporter about how fast everything happened and he wished he could have spoken with team before ESPN, etc. Ask Wesley Matthews or Jerel McNeal what he thinks of TC and the manner in which he left. I don't hate him for leaving but he is a piece of crap for lying on multiple occasions to make himself look like he wasn't really a complete ass hat.
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Agreed... if they want to move on, it's in IU's best financial interest to wait until 2016.
Buyout amount...
In 2014 - $14 M
In 2015 - $12 M
In 2016 - $7.5 M
In 2017 - $4 M
2018-2020- $1M
http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/The-Financial-Side-of-Firing-Tom-Crean-25866924/1 (http://indiana.247sports.com/Board/144/The-Financial-Side-of-Firing-Tom-Crean-25866924/1)
But wait! That article is quoting LateNightHoops.com
I'm told by chicos that "it would be stupid" for Fred Glass "to have lied" about the buyout when he said it was only $8MM, when in reality it started at $16MM.
lol... the problem is many of the boosters still don't even know what LNH explained re: the buyout. Has to be uncomfortable for the AD and coach. "Uhh, thought you said the buyout was $8MM... how did that get mixed up by the traditional media, fans, etc.. basically everyone except for LNH... for a year and a half, Fred?"
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But wait! That article is quoting LateNightHoops.com
I'm told by chicos that "it would be stupid" for Fred Glass "to have lied" about the buyout when he said it was only $8MM, when in reality it started at $16MM.
lol... the problem is many of the boosters still don't even know what LNH explained re: the buyout. Has to be uncomfortable for the AD and coach. "Uhh, thought you said the buyout was $8MM... how did that get mixed up by the traditional media, fans, etc.. basically everyone except for LNH... for a year and a half, Fred?"
Yup--talk about a gold plated contract!
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Wasn't Gannon the next step on the coachin' ladder for the piano man after he left MU?
Yes it was, and from there he went on to play piano in Florida.
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As a basketball coach, Dukiet made a great pianist, hey?
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I don't hate Crean and I don't like Crean. I do like making fun of Crean, and I also like making fun of people here for being obsessed with Crean.
I did just find out that Crean hired a friend of mine to be his director of basketball operations, former Northern Illinois coach (and Illinois assistant) Rob Judson. So I appreciate he did that.
Crean will never be the coach Knight was. And no matter how big a jerk you think Crean is, he never will be close to the jerk Knight was.
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Didn't know Knight passed on.
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Didn't know Knight passed on.
Good one. And accurate, too, because he's every bit the same jerk now. He just doesn't have as many people he can bully.
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There is an opening at South Florida. From a tanning perspective, this would be a great opportunity for Coach Crean.
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Yup--talk about a gold plated contract!
What's funny is Jay Bee likes to rip on IU for the contract but only a few months ago said how great and smart the contract was. It must be cool to be Sybil.
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I don't hate Crean and I don't like Crean. I do like making fun of Crean, and I also like making fun of people here for being obsessed with Crean.
I did just find out that Crean hired a friend of mine to be his director of basketball operations, former Northern Illinois coach (and Illinois assistant) Rob Judson. So I appreciate he did that.
Crean will never be the coach Knight was. And no matter how big a jerk you think Crean is, he never will be close to the jerk Knight was.
I worked for both....Knight was a bigger jerk than Crean, and that's saying something since both are pricks. On the flip side, they both run their programs that stress graduating, discipline, going to class, academics, etc, etc. From that perspective, I like what they stress.
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You mean the Michigan Wolverine squad that went to the National Championship game last April? Or this year's team that, despite losing two first round draft picks, sits atop the B1G and is poised to make another deep run in the Tournament?
By the way, how did IU do this season?
They did about as expected, a little worse. Beat 4 really good teams, including Michigan who they basically own. Other than that, not fun to watch...a lot like watching Marquette this year only Marquette was supposed to be good.
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They did about as expected, a little worse. Beat 4 really good teams, including Michigan who they basically own. Other than that, not fun to watch...a lot like watching Marquette this year only Marquette was supposed to be good.
Marquette was ranked 17th going into the season, Indiana 24th or 28th. They were both major disappointments. Saying IU "did about as expected, a little worse" is simply not true.
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As a basketball coach, Dukiet made a great pianist, hey?
He also liked other things......
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Marquette was ranked 17th going into the season, Indiana 24th or 28th. They were both major disappointments. Saying IU "did about as expected, a little worse" is simply not true.
There you go, using preseason top 25 polls. LOL. Talk about relying on absolute stupidity.
A bunch of writers are combing through 350 teams to see who the top 25 are....laughable.
Uhm, no. Sorry, but it's a lot more reliable for the actual COACHES in your conference that KNOW the players coming back, etc, to rate how 10 teams will finish 1 through 10 then having a bunch of writers figure out the top 25 out of 350. Wasn't there a statistics lecture you gave me the other day....well start your number crunching.
MU picked first in a 10 team league by his peers in his conference. IU was picked 6th I believe.
MU finished 6th. IU finished 8th. Start crunching
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There you go, using preseason top 25 polls. LOL. Talk about relying on absolute stupidity.
A bunch of writers are combing through 350 teams to see who the top 25 are....laughable.
Uhm, no. Sorry, but it's a lot more reliable for the actual COACHES in your conference that KNOW the players coming back, etc, to rate how 10 teams will finish 1 through 10 then having a bunch of writers figure out the top 25 out of 350. Wasn't there a statistics lecture you gave me the other day....well start your number crunching.
MU picked first in a 10 team league by his peers in his conference. IU was picked 6th I believe.
MU finished 6th. IU finished 8th. Start crunching
Indiana was picked 5th or 6th, an NCAA tournament team in a conference very good at the top. A borderline top 25 team overall. They tied for 8th and 9th in the regular season and were smoked by the team they tied in the conference tournament. 7-11 + 0-1 =7-12 overall, tied with mighty Northwestern for 9th and 10th. You're the only Indiana fan (including Joanni and Riley) who don't consider this season a major disappointment. To say "about what was expected, a little worse" is just not true. Sad thing is you know it and are just being a dick.
We finished 62nd in Pomeroy's final rankings, Indiana finished 74th. Both major disappointments.
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What's funny is Jay Bee likes to rip on IU for the contract but only a few months ago said how great and smart the contract was. It must be cool to be Sybil.
You're lying again, chicos. I said the UCLA/Alford contract was great while you & the traditional media opined otherwise.
The I4 contract - Crean owned Glass & then the school further screwed up by not being forthright (trying to pull a fast one?)
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Indiana was picked 5th or 6th, an NCAA tournament team in a conference very good at the top. A borderline top 25 team overall. They tied for 8th and 9th in the regular season and were smoked by the team they tied in the conference tournament. 7-11 + 0-1 =7-12 overall, tied with mighty Northwestern for 9th and 10th. You're the only Indiana fan (including Joanni and Riley) who don't consider this season a major disappointment. To say "about what was expected, a little worse" is just not true. Sad thing is you know it and are just being a dick.
We finished 62nd in Pomeroy's final rankings, Indiana finished 74th. Both major disappointments.
They were picked 5th or 6th? Hmm, no...they were picked 6th. Unless you're looking at a new way of Big Ten coaches and\or Big Ten writers picking teams where they said "well, we think 5th or 6th".
They tied for 8th or 9th....interesting, a whole new way of determining how teams actually finish in standings, brought to you by Lenny. No, they finished tied for 8th. The next standing position goes to 10th. You don't get to make up facts and say "they tied for 8th or 9th"...they tied for 8th.
MU was picked 1st....finished 6th...not 5th or 6th.
Pomeroy's rankings....those are efficiency rankings and who cares anyway? Where did I ever say IU was better than MU this year? They weren't nor did I say that. I said IU finished ABOUT where they were expected to finish. MU, on the other hand, disappointed greatly versus the expectations. Both are disappointments....one was much worse than the other. I never said this wasn't a disappointment. Am I the ONLY IU fan that thinks it was a major disappointment...please. Many IU fans don't consider it a major disappointment just as many think they should have won the national title and Knight should still be coaching. But stop with your incessant Always, Ever, Only....it is so unnatural carnal knowledgeing lazy on your part.
Yes, IU lost to some bottom feeders. They also beat the 1st and 2nd place teams. Young teams tend to do goof stuff like that.
Crunch those numbers big guy. Predicted to finish 6th, finish 8th vs predicted to finish 1st and finish 6th. Both are disappointments, one is much bigger but you're confused as to which one that is. But keeping making stuff up like "picked 5th or 6th" or finished "8th or 9th"....I'm sure there is a Bleacher Report, Lindy's (is that even around anymore) or Sporting News or some other poll out there that will validate it for you, but not anything official coming from the Big Ten coaches or Big Ten writers which had them 6th. You don't get to now pick unofficial polls and make them your own.
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Forgive me JayBee, but when your article is about Crean and Alford's contracts and you compare the two and say how refreshing it is, that's the conclusion I come to.
Here are the exact words: "However, if Tom Crean tells a recruit, “I’m staying with Indiana for the long haul and vice versa”, his employment agreement with the school would appear to support his words.The same can be said for Steve Alford and UCLA. In what others said “makes no sense”, but we called “refreshing”
So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you think the IU TC contract, was "refreshing".
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I worked for both....Knight was a bigger jerk than Crean, and that's saying something since both are pricks. On the flip side, they both run their programs that stress graduating, discipline, going to class, academics, etc, etc. From that perspective, I like what they stress.
Every time Knight choked a kid, verbally abused an innocent underling or did something else that probably should have gotten him jail time, he undermined all the "good" things he did. There are lots of coaches who stress the right things -- lots who don't, perhaps, but lots who do -- but there aren't lots of coaches who grab a player by the throat to make a point.
And in fine IU tradition, the grabbee is vilified while the grabber is deified!
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Every time Knight choked a kid, verbally abused an innocent underling or did something else that probably should have gotten him jail time, he undermined all the "good" things he did. There are lots of coaches who stress the right things -- lots who don't, perhaps, but lots who do -- but there aren't lots of coaches who grab a player by the throat to make a point.
And in fine IU tradition, the grabbee is vilified while the grabber is deified!
Yup. Woody Hayes at OSU. If you win, you can get away with crap until it becomes too much and caves in on itself. Knight was a great coach, also a man out of control.
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History has witnessed many "resignations..."
(http://www.jeffjacoby.com/jacoby/pics/large/37.jpg)
You going to add Rick Majerus to your photos?
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Every time Knight choked a kid, verbally abused an innocent underling or did something else that probably should have gotten him jail time, he undermined all the "good" things he did. There are lots of coaches who stress the right things -- lots who don't, perhaps, but lots who do -- but there aren't lots of coaches who grab a player by the throat to make a point.
And in fine IU tradition, the grabbee is vilified while the grabber is deified!
(http://chairmanmaoindc.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/chokeyourself.jpg?w=640)
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Forgive me JayBee, but when your article is about Crean and Alford's contracts and you compare the two and say how refreshing it is, that's the conclusion I come to.
Here are the exact words: "However, if Tom Crean tells a recruit, “I’m staying with Indiana for the long haul and vice versa”, his employment agreement with the school would appear to support his words.The same can be said for Steve Alford and UCLA. In what others said “makes no sense”, but we called “refreshing”
So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you think the IU TC contract, was "refreshing".
Yes - they are CONTRACTS that show some commitment. That's what is refreshing - a contract not, as I often say, "meant to be broken." In other words, refreshing meaning "new or different."... NOT "good, great, bad, et al"
Never did I say the I4 contract was great. However, from Crean's standpoint it was - he took them to task and it may have been so "bad" that the school mislead and Glass didn't follow through as promised.
Nothing great about that. (PS-You may want to invest in a better dictionary.)
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Refreshing....nuance.....and refreshing
Your prediction of MU in the dance...not so refreshing
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Refreshing....nuance.....and refreshing
Your prediction of MU in the dance...not so refreshing
Insufferable.
Here's something that not great:
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-11-10/indiana-announces-crean-agrees-extension-through-2019-20 (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-11-10/indiana-announces-crean-agrees-extension-through-2019-20)
The buyout, Glass said, would cost $8 million during the next three years, then drops to $1 million in Year 4 and drops again to $500,000 over the final four years of the deal.
School officials said additional contract details will be announce when the deal is formally signed.
(Except that's the buyout Crean would owe IU... forgot the part about IU owing Crean $16MM in year one, dropping down approximately $2MM each year over the next three... and except that officials didn't announce additional contract details when the deal was formally signed just a short time later. Ooopsy!)
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fixed link
Insufferable.
Here's something that not great:
Indiana announces Crean agrees to extension through 2019-20 season (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2012-11-10/indiana-announces-crean-agrees-extension-through-2019-20)
(Except that's the buyout Crean would owe IU... forgot the part about IU owing Crean $16MM in year one, dropping down approximately $2MM each year over the next three... and except that officials didn't announce additional contract details when the deal was formally signed just a short time later. Ooopsy!)
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Refreshing