Christian McCaffery

[tower912]

I thought athletic scholarships were one year renewable.

[StillAWarrior]

I thought athletic scholarships were one year renewable.

Times are a changing.  It used to be that all scholarships were one year renewable.  More and more schools are going to guaranteed four year scholarships.  I know that is now standard in some of the bigger conferences.  In short, it varies now.  Obviously, schools offering a guaranteed four years have a recruiting advantage over those offering one year renewable.  And in some sports (don't know about football and basketball) they don't always offer four years worth of those one year renewable scholarships (i.e., might just offer two years).

[GGGG]

The man agreed to play FB in exchange for a scholarship. Don't enter into contracts you're not gonna honor.

Should Marquette have sued Jameel McKay?

[Jay Bee]

Where in an NCAA financial aid agreement does it state immediate expulsion is the penalty for not playing?

Who said that? Considering a penalty does not mean it's an explicit penalty in the agreement..

Where in the agreement does it say "I'll participate in football in exchange for a scholarship, unless I decide I don't wish to play in particular games"?

[Pakuni]

Who said that? Considering a penalty does not mean it's an explicit penalty in the agreement..

Where in the agreement does it say "I'll participate in football in exchange for a scholarship, unless I decide I don't wish to play in particular games"?

You suggested immediate expulsion as the proper remedy, and defended it by saying it was warranted because he violated a contract.
Your argument appears to be that he is bound under contract to play in the bowl game - even though the contract says no such thing - but the university isn't bound by the same contract when it comes to imposing a penalty on him.
Good luck with that one, counselor.

As for your question, I'm pretty sure you know that's not how contracts work.

[Jay Bee]

You suggested immediate expulsion as the proper remedy, and defended it by saying it was warranted because he violated a contract.
Your argument appears to be that he is bound under contract to play in the bowl game - even though the contract says no such thing - but the university isn't bound by the same contract when it comes to imposing a penalty on him.
Good luck with that one, counselor.

As for your question, I'm pretty sure you know that's not how contracts work.

No, you're lying.

[tower912]

Clawback scholarship $ & consider immediate expulsion

How should this be interpreted, then?

[Pakuni]

No, you're lying.

Oh, OK.

[Jay Bee]

How should this be interpreted, then?

Not as "You suggested immediate expulsion as the proper remedy"

[tower912]

Technically correct.   You only suggested that immediate expulsion should be considered.    How silly of us. 

[Jay Bee]

Technically correct.   You only suggested that immediate expulsion should be considered.    How silly of us.

Prosecute them. As you have persecuted me.

[tower912]

which means laugh sadly and shake our head at their choices?    Easy enough. 

[Jay Bee]

which means laugh sadly and shake our head at their choices?    Easy enough.

Your lies are helpful to explain why you side with such an unrighteous thief such as this football player for hire, when convenient

[tower912]

Gonna have to point out my lies.   Persecute them.    As I persecute  you?    What is that? The opposite of the Lord's prayer? 

[Jay Bee]

Gonna have to point out my lies.   Persecute them.    As I persecute  you?    What is that? The opposite of the Lord's prayer?

You were the type of boy who'd agree to cut Mrs. Green's lawn every week, all summer, 18 weeks, for a dollar per week. You took the $18. 12 weeks in you decided you were done. No hard feelings Mrs. Green, I simply changed my mind.

[brandx]

You were the type of boy who'd agree to cut Mrs. Green's lawn every week, all summer, 18 weeks, for a dollar per week. You took the $18. 12 weeks in you decided you were done. No hard feelings Mrs. Green, I simply changed my mind.

Wow!!

Our new Chicos?

[tower912]

You were the type of boy who'd agree to cut Mrs. Green's lawn every week, all summer, 18 weeks, for a dollar per week. You took the $18. 12 weeks in you decided you were done. No hard feelings Mrs. Green, I simply changed my mind.

Actually, no.  I was the type of boy who delivered papers for 5 years  and wrote off debts for my customers.  I am the type of boy who has been married for nearly 25 years to the same woman and walked into burning buildings for nearly 27.  I am the type who is tolerant of human failings and the poor decisions of youth.   I no longer freak out over transfers.  Or 21 year olds putting long term personal financial gain over playing in a meaningless exhibition for their school. 
We disagree.  Why the martyrdom?

[GGGG]

Your lies are helpful to explain why you side with such an unrighteous thief such as this football player for hire, when convenient

Christian McCaffrey is not a "thief."  Your hyperbole is really not helping.

[Jay Bee]

Actually, no.  I was the type of boy who delivered papers for 5 years  and wrote off debts for my customers.  I am the type of boy who has been married for nearly 25 years to the same woman and walked into burning buildings for nearly 27.  I am the type who is tolerant of human failings and the poor decisions of youth.   I no longer freak out over transfers.  Or 21 year olds putting long term personal financial gain over playing in a meaningless exhibition for their school. 
We disagree.  Why the martyrdom?

My word is my bond. You disregard contracts and your word. That's the issue.

[GGGG]

My word is my bond. You disregard contracts and your word. That's the issue.

Do you feel the same way about Traci Carter?

[Jay Bee]

Do you feel the same way about Traci Carter?

Interesting question. As an incapacited player who wasn't partipating anyway, no. Has he played in recent games.. diff discussion

"Things have changed, I'm frustrated & get no minutes so I'm leaving to a diff school" is one thing... "I'm too important to honor my commitment to this or any school, meeeeeeee!!" Is another

[tower912]

My word is my bond. You disregard contracts and your word. That's the issue.

What in the world are you talking about?   I have honored every contract and vow I have ever taken.  I disagree with you about the behavior of a college athlete.    Why the martyrdom and lashing out?    Not just Traci Carter.   What was your opinion about Sandy, Henry leaving early, Wally not coming back, Crean going to IU, Buzz to VTech, Deonte, Dawson, Levin, McKay, Mayo, Blue, etc?    Why the line in the sand here and the personal attacks against those who view it differently?

[Jay Bee]

What in the world are you talking about?   I have honored every contract and vow I have ever taken.  I disagree with you about the behavior of a college athlete.    Why the martyrdom and lashing out?    Not just Traci Carter.   What was your opinion about Sandy, Henry leaving early, Wally not coming back, Crean going to IU, Buzz to VTech, Deonte, Dawson, Levin, McKay, Mayo, Blue, etc?    Why the line in the sand here and the personal attacks against those who view it differently?

This is purely driven by self. 100%, nothing else. If a guy wants to leave bc he's frustrated with PT & coaches OK it, great. "I'm too special for this" isn't.

Each situation is VERY diff. I'm speaking on one in particular, and that's important to remember.

PS- if you can get MSU+6.5 in 45 minutes, I'll help you (do it)

[MU82]

Who said that? Considering a penalty does not mean it's an explicit penalty in the agreement..

Where in the agreement does it say "I'll participate in football in exchange for a scholarship, unless I decide I don't wish to play in particular games"?

Where in the agreement does it say, "I'll participate in every game in exchange for a scholarship?"

Maybe it does actually say that. I've never seen an agreement and I'd like to.

Otherwise, I'm a little worried about you JB. So angry ... and over this?

All I'll say is you're gonna have a lot of anger over the coming years, because this is just the beginning. In 5 years, maybe fewer, there might be 30 players doing this.

[Pakuni]

At least it's good to see JayBee can reach inane levels of dislike for something (or in this case, someone) other than the Crystal Ball.