Oso planning to go pro
it hasn't been banned outright, but there are some out there who have accomplished it, hopefully temporarily.
I accept that the founding fathers were flawed souls, many of whom were slave holders.
Faulkner and Twain? Never. False argument. Red Herring. Keefe, I understand your arguments about a flawed constitution, the 3/5 solution, state's rights, union overreach, Missouri Compromise, Kansas-Nebraska act, Dred Scott....... they all have one unifying theme. The stain on America's conscience. I accept that the founding fathers were flawed souls, many of whom were slave holders. I accept the notion that many great Americans in the first 75 years of our nation were slaveowners. That this was part of society. This should not be whitewashed. It should be taken out, held up to the light, and studied for the flaws within it to remind us of how easy it is to go along with society instead of doing the right thing. I want the confederate statues taken down because these leaders led a war against our country to protect that sin. Take the statues, put them in museums devoted to telling the story of slavery and the confederacy. But don't hold them up as icons and heroes to put in front of schools and government buildings.
From your private photo collection?
Send pics. This thread could use some meat porn.
Like whom?
Again, you miss the point. The question is did the secessionist states have the legal right to do so. Until you answer that you cannot pass judgment on what is and what is not treason.
Again, you miss the point. What basic underlying issue would make them look into seceding?
it hasn't been banned outright, but there are some out there who have accomplished it, hopefully temporarily. we all know where that is and no need to get in to that argument.
giving you the benefit of doubt here, but i think you know darn well "by whom" and where it has been happening. how does this go? "free advice" call berkeley and tell them ben and ann want to speak on campus. can you say antifa?
I accept that every hero who ever walked the earth was a flawed soul, (what was it Fitzgerald said, "Show me a hero and I'll write you a tragedy"?) especially when we dissect their lives hundreds of years after the fact and disregard context.
One of the most offensive weapons employed by ideologues is banning free speech. When does Faulkner's magnificent pen or Twain's wry wit get tossed on the burning heap?
Monuments to treason. Rock on.
People should consider the fact that the vast majority of Confederate soldiers were not slaveholders. And one cannot discount the fact that state's rights was the predominate issue at play.Our country was an imperfect union from the start - John Adams made significant moral compromises to effect the sole goal of independence from Great Britain. The history of America through the election of Lincoln hinged on the central question of federal versus state authority. Were confederate soldiers traitors? Some might judge them as such but I do believe they fought for their conception of what the American Republic was supposed to be. And no less an authority than Lincoln said we were obliged to welcome them back as the American brothers they always were.People want to eradicate Robert E. Lee from the pages of history but had Virginia not seceded he would have commanded the Union Army. His loyalty, as was the loyalty of almost every American in the antebellum period, was not to the Republic but to their community then state. Lee was a brilliant field commander whose campaigns are still studied in America's War Colleges (of which I am a graduate.) He served his nation and then his state. We should cherish his greatness while understanding his faults.
In Savannah two weeks ago, there is a monument in beautiful Forsyth Park. It roughly reads "To the Confederate Dead". There is a statue bust in front of the monument that reads nothing more than "Confederate General" and his name. I detest monuments to the Confederacy and I'm still split on this one if it is acceptable. The war was traumatic on both sides, so this is closure to remember those who died. No promotion of the Confederacy. On the other hand it's still a monument to the Confederacy. At the same time the city does take pride in promoting General Sherman's House, the place General Sherman used as command post when his march south finally reached the sea.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny. Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.
Thanks. I will definitely check it out.ironically, I am a huge fan of both Adams and Jefferson. An astounding partnership.
The people that propose banning books generally aren't the ones that believe we should remove the statues that glorify those that fought to own black people. On the other hand, we know which side sympathizes with book burners.
Denying someone a venue to speak is not limiting free speech.
Some people anguish over statues
You can't be serious...especially an academic forum. Good Lord that is feeble.