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« on: March 07, 2012, 10:37:16 PM »
I usually don't complain about attendance at the games, but these students sounded like whiny spoiled brats

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZyHNcsLlXg&feature=related

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Re: Students
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 10:51:38 PM »
Hmmmmm I am still looking for where they are "whiny spoiled brats".

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Re: Students
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 10:55:34 PM »
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/bdf2030046a3609298bddcc110a6426c/2011_NCAA_mens_basketball_attendance.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=bdf2030046a3609298bddcc110a6426c

The piece makes a big deal that we were top-10 in attendance over the past few years, but through 18 games we were 11th in the nation in attendance.  For a school of less than 12,000 total students.  Where's the problem again?

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 10:57:10 PM »
They should be attending to see Marquette.  Who cares who we are playing.  Students need to stop complaining about who we are playing and support our team.  Things have changed.  Come on students!!
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2012, 10:59:15 PM »
Really?  They can't show up to games because we play the ranked teams on the road?  They have a team that has been ranked all year.  

The ticket prices are too high?  $110 for season tickets comes out to, what $6.50 a game.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2012, 11:03:29 PM »
Do you think if we officially went back to being The Warriors we would sell out every game of that first year with the old/new moniker?

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2012, 11:07:37 PM »
Do you think if we officially went back to being The Warriors we would sell out every game of that first year with the old/new moniker?

I'm not sure, but I think it is something worth trying out  ;D

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 11:13:41 PM »
wow.

or maybe....SHEESH.  >:(

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 11:16:35 PM »
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/bdf2030046a3609298bddcc110a6426c/2011_NCAA_mens_basketball_attendance.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=bdf2030046a3609298bddcc110a6426c

The piece makes a big deal that we were top-10 in attendance over the past few years, but through 18 games we were 11th in the nation in attendance.  For a school of less than 12,000 total students.  Where's the problem again?

The concern is that we could have better student attendance. Apathy seems to have set in and some excuses by these students are underwhelming to say the least.  If they aren't going to show up when we are top 10 team, what do these kids do when we are rebuilding at ranked just outside the top 25?   

They need to be owners of the program.  They play a pivotal role.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 11:38:32 PM »
Wow, thats embarrassing. 

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 12:12:32 AM »
If they aren't going to show up when we are top 10 team, what do these kids do when we are rebuilding at ranked just outside the top 25?   

You mean like the past few seasons, when we were borderline top-25 and top-10 in attendance?  Or like the first 18 games of this season, when we were borderline top-15 or 20 and #11 in attendance? 

The concern is that we could have better student attendance. 

This is not a concern. I can't imagine too many rational people are seriously worried that our students dropped us from #10 to #11 nationally in attendance.

Let's not forget that 19,087 people, including a couple of students, came out to watch them beat Georgetown.  Focusing on one random mid-week game in January seems asinine to me.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 12:32:28 AM »
I wish we could all be just like the fanatics who show up for the front row of every game. I wonder if they know the BC serves beer?

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 12:50:48 AM »
These interviews are just like this board. reasons for poor attendence from DIEHARD FANS WHO ACTUALLY SHOWED UP TO THE WEEKNIGHT GAME. its useless asking students who bothered to come out why more people aren't there.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 06:37:15 AM »
It's a joke. Embarrassing.  Where do we get the ego to say "who's seton hall?"  Man we sound like ND students.  We are lucky to be in the big east and that could all change as quick as it came to us....  I will say the athletic Dep't needs to look at giving them another section toward the middle of the court at a minimum down low and 2 up high.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 07:03:10 AM »
It's a joke. Embarrassing.  Where do we get the ego to say "who's seton hall?"  Man we sound like ND students.  We are lucky to be in the big east and that could all change as quick as it came to us....  I will say the athletic Dep't needs to look at giving them another section toward the middle of the court at a minimum down low and 2 up high.

I agree with everything but the last sentence.

These kids don't know what its like to watch Brian Wardle, Brian Barone, Oluma Nmaka, Greg Clausen struggle to be competitive in CUSA.

spoiled arrogant brats.

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2012, 07:32:16 AM »
Really?  They can't show up to games because we play the ranked teams on the road?  They have a team that has been ranked all year.  

The ticket prices are too high?  $110 for season tickets comes out to, what $6.50 a game.

That was the weakest excuse ever. "The price went up and economic times are tough." $110 for season tickets is $6.87 a game. If it was $75 when this year's seniors were freshmen, that was $4.68 a game. If you found $2.25 in change in your couch, you found more than enough to cover the cost increase of one game.

Pathetic. Complaining about "Oh it's Rutgers" "Oh it's Seton Hall." These students have clearly never seen Marquette lose at home to TCU in February en route to an 8th-place C-USA finish, and the NIT.
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2012, 08:19:20 AM »
This thread is embarrassing.

I know people say "you should come to watch your team not the opponent," but that is not how most people think.  They are not being "whiny spoiled brats" for pointing out the obvious...non-marquee opponents on a Tuesday night aren't going to draw a crowd.  The adults don't show for those either.

So stop assuming that everyone should think like you in that regard.  They don't.  That's the reality MU lives with.

And this just a few days after we were praising the students up and down for their showing versus Georgetown.

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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2012, 08:47:58 AM »
This video is over a month old.

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2012, 08:50:28 AM »
They sell about 3700 student season tickets.  Not sure the capacity of the entire section, but it doesn't seem to be about money .. it's that 1500 of those 3700 aren't showing up after they've bought the ticket.

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2012, 09:04:08 AM »
You know, something that we never mention is that a lot of these kids are frosh. and maybe have only been MU fans for about 5 months.

A lot of us have been fans for years and years. Sometimes it takes some time to build up some fandom and dedication.

I'm not saying it's a valid excuse, but I remember being a frosh. and not being a huge fan. However, in 1998, MU was pretty bad.

It would be cool/interesting if the athletic department could do some promos. in the upper deck of the student section to get those kids involved throughout the game.

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2012, 09:22:20 AM »
Best quotes:
"Move the games to weekends" and "Not a lot of people have heard of teams like Seton Hall."

Seriously though, I said this on another thread but when I was a student (98-02), the team was bad and the students would really only show up when MU played a big-name/ranked team. When Wade came along, MU became the attraction and the student section was filled much more regularly because, for us, it was a new experience with MU actually being the team worth seeing. The current students still only want to see MU play big-name teams because, for the most part, all they know of MU basketball is that it's (yawn) a perennial tournament team. There's no appreciation for how mediocre MU basketball used to be and how far it's come. In all honesty, that's a good thing because it means that MU has had sustained success and that's a goal of every major program.

Would I like to see the student section packed with diehards every game? Of course. But if given the choice, I'd much rather have MU be a national championship contender playing in front of an empty student section.

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2012, 10:21:05 AM »
Hey OP, and everyone who posts these student section complaints



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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2012, 11:07:07 AM »
You know, something that we never mention is that a lot of these kids are frosh. and maybe have only been MU fans for about 5 months.

A lot of us have been fans for years and years. Sometimes it takes some time to build up some fandom and dedication.

I'm not saying it's a valid excuse, but I remember being a frosh. and not being a huge fan. However, in 1998, MU was pretty bad.

It would be cool/interesting if the athletic department could do some promos. in the upper deck of the student section to get those kids involved throughout the game.

Could be, but doesn't explain why frosh in past years were going.  My disappointment has been the turnout.  People can throw out the ticket sales numbers all they want and say we're ranked 11th, all of that is terrific.  What is disappointing is seeing the empty seats in the student section.  If you want to be the best student section in America, you need to come support Marquette basketball and not worry about who they are playing.  Of course bigger named opponents will generate more enthusiasm, but when people are saying WHO IS SETON HALL that is troubling.  They're a conference opponent that might get into the NCAA tournament. 
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2012, 11:14:48 AM »
Could be, but doesn't explain why frosh in past years were going.  My disappointment has been the turnout.  People can throw out the ticket sales numbers all they want and say we're ranked 11th, all of that is terrific.  What is disappointing is seeing the empty seats in the student section.  If you want to be the best student section in America, you need to come support Marquette basketball and not worry about who they are playing.  Of course bigger named opponents will generate more enthusiasm, but when people are saying WHO IS SETON HALL that is troubling.  They're a conference opponent that might get into the NCAA tournament. 

You're right... but you're exaggerating a little.

Let's not pretend like in previous years the upper deck was full every night, and now it's empty.

Students have always packed it in for the best games, and it's lighter for middle of the pack games, and even lighter for buy games.

This isn't a new phenomenon. It might be a little more exaggerated this year, but it's not new.

Maybe the athletic department can come up with some incentives to get students to come to every game. Maybe some of the in game promos can be directed to students who are in the upper deck.

MU already gets a steady 1500 (approx) students to every game. They need to work on getting the second 1500.

Or, honestly, who the hell cares other than dorky alumni on the internet?

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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2012, 11:17:41 AM »
I agree with everything but the last sentence.

These kids don't know what its like to watch Brian Wardle, Brian Barone, Oluma Nmaka, Greg Clausen struggle to be competitive in CUSA.

spoiled arrogant brats.

The only good part about those years as a student was that I could show up 10 minutes before the game and get a great seat

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2012, 11:19:51 AM »


Or, honestly, who the hell cares other than dorky alumni on the internet?

I suspect the Athletic Department cares  Helps for recruiting as well. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2012, 11:22:26 AM »
Could be, but doesn't explain why frosh in past years were going.  My disappointment has been the turnout.  People can throw out the ticket sales numbers all they want and say we're ranked 11th, all of that is terrific.  What is disappointing is seeing the empty seats in the student section.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but....well, here we go.

This has almost everything to do with being a smaller school playing in a 20,000 seat stadium.  We're a school of less than 12,000 total students!  And our attendance is higher than schools like Ohio State (64,000 students), Florida (50,000), and Minnesota (52,000).  And I emphasize the word "students."  They have to do things like go to class.  And study.  If there's low turnout for a Saturday game, that's a different conversation, but this thread and the accompanying video are about a game against Seton Hall on a Tuesday.  Sure, some students are able to take a night off and make it to the game, but I wouldn't call a student that decides to cram for an exam "disappointing."  I take as much pride in Marquette academically as I do athletically.

If you're honestly disappointed that students are buying tickets and not showing up for a January mid-week game against a middle-tier Big East opponent, then we fundamentally disagree on the expectations for students.  Did you look around the rest of the arena on that night?  It's not like we hit 95% capacity with a raucous alum crowd, but an empty student section.  I have no animosity whatsoever towards the student that pays $100 per year for season tickets and only goes to weekend or marquee games.  Especially when enough students are showing up to keep us near the top of the NCAA in attendance on an annual basis.

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2012, 11:31:34 AM »
Maybe they should triple the student ticket prices.  

It's easy to blow off a $6 game.  

There's no doubt there are December cupcakes that I might not go to if I hadn't already invested $80 that I want to get some value out of.

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2012, 11:33:17 AM »
I suspect the Athletic Department cares  Helps for recruiting as well. 


Please tell me how much having a full student section in the upper deck would help with recruiting. I understand students help with the gameday environment, but to think that it significantly helps with recruiting is a stretch.

Also, I'm sure the athletic department "cares", but how much?

They are still selling a ton of tickets, the kids just aren't showing up. So what? MU is probably better off directing it's resources at rich alumni who can donate $, than a bunch of 18 year olds who don't like sitting in the upper deck, no?

Allocation of resources.

I'd like to see MU do something about it... but the truth is, maybe it's just not worth it.

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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 11:39:04 AM »
I am honestly embarrassed by that video.

"not many people know Seton Hall"--- they are in the Big East... you dont know who they are, you're an idiot. You can not know where they are located, but not heard of them... go home and play WoW.

"play more ranked teams at home"/"move games to the weekend"--- the schedule is made how far in advance? Well before any rankings take place, other than preseason rankings. Be realistic... IDIOTS.
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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2012, 11:46:09 AM »
I graduated many years ago, but what the hell else is there for Marquette students to do?

I went to class, studied, drank beer, and went to every basketball game. The social scene completely revolved around basketball. The idea that you couldn't take a couple of hours off on a week night to go to a game was practically unheard of. I realized that life would get a lot more difficult and complicated after college, so I had some fun while I could -- and still got a great education.

 

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2012, 12:08:34 PM »
I am honestly embarrassed by that video.

"not many people know Seton Hall"--- they are in the Big East... you dont know who they are, you're an idiot. You can not know where they are located, but not heard of them... go home and play WoW.

"play more ranked teams at home"/"move games to the weekend"--- the schedule is made how far in advance? Well before any rankings take place, other than preseason rankings. Be realistic... IDIOTS.


You should tell them to get off your lawn too.

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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2012, 12:13:37 PM »
I am sure that not too far down the road, some over protective parent is going to sue a school's Athletics Department blaming them for their child's drop in grades because of weekday games. When that day comes, maybe these kids will get their weekend games.
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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2012, 12:27:23 PM »
I cannot believe this is still the conversation.

Can I just ask a question to the constant complainers about student attendance?

Why the F*ck do you care so much about this?   


If it is that important to you, then plunk down $35,000 and reenroll so that you can buy student tickets and sit in the student section at every game.  That is assuming you could meet the current, more stringent admissions standards.

Sheesh................
Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2012, 12:32:49 PM »
I cannot believe this is still the conversation.

Can I just ask a question to the constant complainers about student attendance?

Why the F*ck do you care so much about this?   


If it is that important to you, then plunk down $35,000 and reenroll so that you can buy student tickets and sit in the student section at every game.  That is assuming you could meet the current, more stringent admissions standards.

Sheesh................

When Marquette went to the Final Four in 2003, the number of applicants increased to the point that MU had to create a waiting list for the first time ever. As the number of applicants increased, the admissions standards were made stricter. With stricter admissions standards comes more difficult coursework. With more difficult coursework comes more time spent studying. With more time spent studying comes less time for extracurriculars. With less time for extracurriculars comes less time for attending basketball games against No-Name U, Little Sisters of the Poor and Seton Hall.

Therefore, Marquette basketball is to blame for the lack of student attendance at Marquette basketball games!

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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2012, 12:43:26 PM »
I would be surprised if those linkages you talk about are indeed correct.

While I do believe our basketball program has increased applications .. kids are applying to WAY more schools these days .. and even if MU misses the next 5 NITs, their app count will continue to set records year after year. 

The next linkage was that higher apps = better students = more difficult coursework.   

Really?  Is college harder now, than it was 5-10-20 years ago?  I'd think the fact that a billion pages of research is available via the internet makes that implausible, versus what it was a decade ago.

I'd bet that kids .. work just about as hard as they did decades ago. 

I'll bet the bell curve has held all these years .. there are plenty of MU kids that are studying 40 hours a week.  There are plenty that are studying 4 hours a week.

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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2012, 12:58:18 PM »
I would be surprised if those linkages you talk about are indeed correct.

While I do believe our basketball program has increased applications .. kids are applying to WAY more schools these days .. and even if MU misses the next 5 NITs, their app count will continue to set records year after year.  

The next linkage was that higher apps = better students = more difficult coursework.  

Really?  Is college harder now, than it was 5-10-20 years ago?  I'd think the fact that a billion pages of research is available via the internet makes that implausible, versus what it was a decade ago.

I'd bet that kids .. work just about as hard as they did decades ago.  

I'll bet the bell curve has held all these years .. there are plenty of MU kids that are studying 40 hours a week.  There are plenty that are studying 4 hours a week.

The number 1 reason for the increased applications in terms of pure numbers is Marquette's  acceptance of the Common Application.  Kids fill out one online form, write one essay, and send it off to any number of hundreds of schools with a mouseclick.  They also dropped the application fee, so there is nothing to lose and little additional effort involved with throwing Marquette on the pile.
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Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2012, 01:15:57 PM »
I cannot believe this is still the conversation.

Can I just ask a question to the constant complainers about student attendance?

Why the F*ck do you care so much about this?   


If it is that important to you, then plunk down $35,000 and reenroll so that you can buy student tickets and sit in the student section at every game.  That is assuming you could meet the current, more stringent admissions standards.

Sheesh................

It's an opinion board, we all have different opinions.   I can't answer for others, but the reason I care is that I want the students to enjoy various aspects of Marquette, including basketball.  I want the team to do well and be supported.  I'd like to see solid school spirit and it's disappointing to see the drop off, especially in light of a top 10 year.  Is our student body so apathetic now that a top 10 team to support isn't good enough?

That's why I care.  The others can answer for themselves.   Why are you upset that some fans care about what they perceive to be students taking less interest in the program?  Isn't strong interest in the program a good thing?  Financially?  Atmosphere?  Home Court advantage?  Etc?
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2012, 01:17:46 PM »
I would be surprised if those linkages you talk about are indeed correct.

While I do believe our basketball program has increased applications .. kids are applying to WAY more schools these days .. and even if MU misses the next 5 NITs, their app count will continue to set records year after year. 

The next linkage was that higher apps = better students = more difficult coursework.   

Really?  Is college harder now, than it was 5-10-20 years ago?  I'd think the fact that a billion pages of research is available via the internet makes that implausible, versus what it was a decade ago.

I'd bet that kids .. work just about as hard as they did decades ago. 

I'll bet the bell curve has held all these years .. there are plenty of MU kids that are studying 40 hours a week.  There are plenty that are studying 4 hours a week.

In the short run (5-8 years), you are correct. However, in the long run (maybe 10-15 years) MU could become more exclusive academically if the basketball program continues at an elite level.

Universal applications aside, it's a numbers game. More people are aware of the Marquette, more people apply, MU can pick and chose more exclusively. Again, this is in the long run, and I don't think that it is a large enough academic bump that suddenly MU kids don't have time to go to games.

A kid with a 30 ACT today doesn't have time to go to games, but a kid with a 27 ACT in 2002 had time? That doesn't make sense.

However in the next 15-20 years, MU might become so expensive that applications drop significantly, so it won't matter how good the basketball team is.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2012, 01:25:57 PM »
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but....well, here we go.

This has almost everything to do with being a smaller school playing in a 20,000 seat stadium.  We're a school of less than 12,000 total students!  And our attendance is higher than schools like Ohio State (64,000 students), Florida (50,000), and Minnesota (52,000).  And I emphasize the word "students."  They have to do things like go to class.  And study.  If there's low turnout for a Saturday game, that's a different conversation, but this thread and the accompanying video are about a game against Seton Hall on a Tuesday.  Sure, some students are able to take a night off and make it to the game, but I wouldn't call a student that decides to cram for an exam "disappointing."  I take as much pride in Marquette academically as I do athletically.






But they did show up in years past, why THIS year is the difference?  Did students not have to go to class and study in years past?  You seem to be saying the ticket sales reported is all that matters as long as we make the top 15 in attendance, but whether they show up or not is of little concern.  We disagree.   Maybe it is time to shrink the student section down to make it a more attractive purchase.  Shrink it to 2,500.  A suggestion, maybe a bad one.  Open it up as an ad hoc for big games for those that only wish to go to 2 or 3 games a year but put those students in the upper deck.


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Please tell me how much having a full student section in the upper deck would help with recruiting. I understand students help with the gameday environment, but to think that it significantly helps with recruiting is a stretch.



In my opinion there are many reasons to pick a school.  Playing time, the coach, the conference, exposure, the academics, the girls, the atmosphere at the games, and probably 50 other reasons.   I would gather that the reason we bring recruits to big games is due to the bigger crowds and electric atmosphere.  We don't often have recruits come on official visits when we are playing Norfolk State.

If you listen to some of the comments from coaches and players after some big games, they will sometimes say the crowd was great or even key to energizing the team.  Or the student section was fantastic.  They are the 6th man.  Maybe a better way to state it is a good student crowd doesn't hurt us and I believe it helps us display what we are capable of.  It can leave an impression on a recruit that MU fans, the crowd, the students, etc are really behind this team.  

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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2012, 01:27:28 PM »
Isn't strong interest in the program a good thing?  Financially?  Atmosphere?  Home Court advantage?  Etc?

Have you been to many games this year? Honestly, it's pretty much the same as it is every other year. Maybe 500 students less for Seton Hall. MU is never going to get a Georgetown crowd out for a tuesday night game against Southwest Alabama State. It has always been that way.

Financially, it has ZERO impact on MU another 1000 students show up on a Tuesday game in November.

Atmosphere is better with students, and I like that. But, an extra 1000 fans doesn't really change the atmosphere that much to create a significant home court advantage. It just doesn't.

I agree with you that it would be nice to have more students there, but you seem to think it is very important, when in reality, it really isn't.

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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2012, 01:30:22 PM »
It's an opinion board, we all have different opinions.   I can't answer for others, but the reason I care is that I want the students to enjoy various aspects of Marquette, including basketball.  I want the team to do well and be supported.  I'd like to see solid school spirit and it's disappointing to see the drop off, especially in light of a top 10 year.  Is our student body so apathetic now that a top 10 team to support isn't good enough?

That's why I care.  The others can answer for themselves.   Why are you upset that some fans care about what they perceive to be students taking less interest in the program?  Isn't strong interest in the program a good thing?  Financially?  Atmosphere?  Home Court advantage?  Etc?

Why am I upset?  What upsets me is that we have one of the highest student attendance rates in the country, especially in terms of percentage of undergrad enrollment, and not only are there some on this board who not only think that is not good enough, but resort to calling them, ahem. "hairy wet cats" and the like.

I really don't think you need to worry about the students not enjoying "various aspects of Marquette".  I would guess that over the span of 4 years well over 95% of students will have attended at least one game, so they know what they are missing.  If you were honestly concerned about making sure that they took advantage of ALL that Marquette had to offer, you wouldalso  be posting threads complaining that there are empty carrels at the Library, or empty pews at Mass instead of just empty seats in the BC student section.
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« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2012, 01:32:04 PM »
In the short run (5-8 years), you are correct. However, in the long run (maybe 10-15 years) MU could become more exclusive academically if the basketball program continues at an elite level.

Universal applications aside, it's a numbers game. More people are aware of the Marquette, more people apply, MU can pick and chose more exclusively. Again, this is in the long run, and I don't think that it is a large enough academic bump that suddenly MU kids don't have time to go to games.

A kid with a 30 ACT today doesn't have time to go to games, but a kid with a 27 ACT in 2002 had time? That doesn't make sense.

However in the next 15-20 years, MU might become so expensive that applications drop significantly, so it won't matter how good the basketball team is.

This kid with a 24 ACT went to all of the games.  8-)

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« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2012, 01:32:22 PM »
Why am I upset?  What upsets me is that we have one of the highest student attendance rates in the country, especially in terms of percentage of undergrad enrollment, and not only are there some on this board who not only think that is not good enough, but resort to calling them, ahem. "hairy wet cats" and the like.

I really don't think you need to worry about the students not enjoying "various aspects of Marquette".  I would guess that over the span of 4 years well over 95% of students will have attended at least one game, so they know what they are missing.  If you were honestly concerned about making sure that they took advantage of ALL that Marquette had to offer, you wouldalso  be posting threads complaining that there are empty carrels at the Library, or empty pews at Mass instead of just empty seats in the BC student section.


Very well stated.

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2012, 01:34:33 PM »



But they did show up in years past, why THIS year is the difference?  It's not. Its slightly down. I wouldn't have even noticed if it wasn't for the internet telling me. Did students not have to go to class and study in years past?  You seem to be saying the ticket sales reported is all that matters as long as we make the top 15 in attendance, but whether they show up or not is of little concern.  We disagree.   Maybe it is time to shrink the student section down to make it a more attractive purchase.  Shrink it to 2,500.  A suggestion, maybe a bad one.  Open it up as an ad hoc for big games for those that only wish to go to 2 or 3 games a year but put those students in the upper deck.



In my opinion there are many reasons to pick a school.  Playing time, the coach, the conference, exposure, the academics, the girls, the atmosphere at the games, and probably 50 other reasons.   I would gather that the reason we bring recruits to big games is due to the bigger crowds and electric atmosphere.  We don't often have recruits come on official visits when we are playing Norfolk State.

Dude, MU is never going to get 19,000 people for Norfolk State on a Tuesday. Fact. If MU gets 2500 students to go instead of 1500, does it really make a difference to a recruit? I can't imagine it would. MU packs the place for Georgetown every time, so of course you bring recruits to those games.

If you listen to some of the comments from coaches and players after some big games, they will sometimes say the crowd was great or even key to energizing the team.  Or the student section was fantastic.  They are the 6th man.  Maybe a better way to state it is a good student crowd doesn't hurt us and I believe it helps us display what we are capable of.  It can leave an impression on a recruit that MU fans, the crowd, the students, etc are really behind this team.  

I agree, but we need to be realistic about what we are talking about. Are you disappointed that MU doesn't get 4000 students on a Tuesday in December? They never have. Maybe they used to get 1700, and this year they got 1300. Wow. Shocking. It really isn't the issue you are making it out to be.  




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« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2012, 01:38:47 PM »
I would be surprised if those linkages you talk about are indeed correct.

While I do believe our basketball program has increased applications .. kids are applying to WAY more schools these days .. and even if MU misses the next 5 NITs, their app count will continue to set records year after year. 

The next linkage was that higher apps = better students = more difficult coursework.   

Really?  Is college harder now, than it was 5-10-20 years ago?  I'd think the fact that a billion pages of research is available via the internet makes that implausible, versus what it was a decade ago.

I'd bet that kids .. work just about as hard as they did decades ago. 

I'll bet the bell curve has held all these years .. there are plenty of MU kids that are studying 40 hours a week.  There are plenty that are studying 4 hours a week.

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« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2012, 01:40:45 PM »
Why am I upset?  What upsets me is that we have one of the highest student attendance rates in the country, especially in terms of percentage of undergrad enrollment, and not only are there some on this board who not only think that is not good enough, but resort to calling them, ahem. "hairy wet cats" and the like.


Where do you see we have one of the highest student attendance rates in the country?  They don't track that information, they track overall attendance but not student attendance.

I believe your analogy to the the Library and Mass are not relevant.  You can study many different places (dorm, union, library, coffee shop, etc).  You can only experience an in game atmosphere by being at the game. TV is nice, but not the same.

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Have you been to many games this year? Honestly, it's pretty much the same as it is every other year. Maybe 500 students less for Seton Hall. MU is never going to get a Georgetown crowd out for a tuesday night game against Southwest Alabama State. It has always been that way.

Financially, it has ZERO impact on MU another 1000 students show up on a Tuesday game in November.


Well we will disagree.  In my view, considering the quality of this team, the drop off has been higher than in years past.  Apparently enough other people have noticed it to bring it up here, have the student television station do a report on it.


edit for 2002:  I know we aren't going to get 19,000 for Norfolk State.  Don't think I ever suggested we would.  Crappy games against non-conference opponents will get crappy attendance.  We need to do better in conference games.  It's rather eye-opening when we have people say who is Seton Hall.  Seems the topic has been beaten to death.  Out.
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« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2012, 01:53:18 PM »
Apparently it was tough to see my tongue planted in my cheek via the internet.


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« Reply #48 on: March 08, 2012, 01:57:17 PM »
Ugh I know that reporter too. He knows nothing about basketball, but works with MUTV so he gets to do everything student television related. His analysis is basically "Oh man Jae is so great. Oh man look at DJO too he's so great. Vander Blue is a disappointment, I'm so intelligent for knowing that"

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« Reply #49 on: March 08, 2012, 02:08:47 PM »
Where do you see we have one of the highest student attendance rates in the country?  They don't track that information, they track overall attendance but not student attendance.

I believe your analogy to the the Library and Mass are not relevant.  You can study many different places (dorm, union, library, coffee shop, etc).  You can only experience an in game atmosphere by being at the game. TV is nice, but not the same.

Well we will disagree.  In my view, considering the quality of this team, the drop off has been higher than in years past.  Apparently enough other people have noticed it to bring it up here, have the student television station do a report on it.


edit for 2002:  I know we aren't going to get 19,000 for Norfolk State.  Don't think I ever suggested we would.  Crappy games against non-conference opponents will get crappy attendance.  We need to do better in conference games.  It's rather eye-opening when we have people say who is Seton Hall.  Seems the topic has been beaten to death.  Out.

2 things:

#1 People bitch about attendance every season, so please don't use this board as the litmus test for student attendance. Honestly, I attend almost every game, and the difference this season was negligible in my eyes. What did you see?

#2 You're right, it would be cool if MU could get more students for Seton Hall. However, honestly, does getting 2000 students instead of 1500 make a difference? It doesn't make MU more $. It doesn't really make the place "more intimidating". I don't think its going to impress a recruit.

MU had a slight slip in attendance, and it seems like it concerns you. I'm simply asking, why? 500-1000 extra kids in the upper deck on a Tuesday night against Seton Hall. What does that really do for anybody?

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« Reply #50 on: March 08, 2012, 02:16:12 PM »
Ugh I know that reporter too. He knows nothing about basketball, but works with MUTV so he gets to do everything student television related. His analysis is basically "Oh man Jae is so great. Oh man look at DJO too he's so great. Vander Blue is a disappointment, I'm so intelligent for knowing that"

I would have liked to see this guy's unedited footage.  I would wager that all of the thoughtful, intelligent responses got left on the virtual cutting room floor.  Reasoned answers just aren't sensational enough.

So he got something slightly provocative for his audition tape.  I fully expect to see this guy on TV during my summer vacation.  He will be reporting on the covered dish supper at the senior center as a member of Rhinelander's  Action 12 news team. 
Have some patience, FFS.

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« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2012, 02:27:19 PM »
How to make a perfect MUTV video:

More kids that communicate inarticulately! We need more, "You know what I mean?"s MORE Freshman!! They're perspective is limited! Hell, most of them can't name half the Big East, current members, soon to be former members, or future members! Yes, Film the upper deck but do not give a timeline of when that shot is taken. Is it 20 minutes before tip off? Is it 5:00 minutes in? Is it after the game? Who knows, but more importantly, who cares?!? MORE OF THE KID THAT SOUNDS LIKE HE IS YELLING AND OUT OF BREATH.

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« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2012, 02:29:22 PM »
I've said it before, but the days the schedule ended up being played on and the opponents make a big difference. The Georgetown and Cincy games were our only two conference games on a Saturday or Friday while school was in session and the atmosphere was great. Like it or not, students aren't going to come out on the weekdays in huge numbers unless it is a big matchup. The lack of strength in the Big East paired with us facing most of the top of the league on the road just brings this more to light.

As a personal note, I have night classes and am not able to make it to the games during the week. Night classes are less prevalent for undergrads, but that takes out some of the students. Also those with tests (I'm not making a judgement one way or another, just that's a reason) are less likely to go to the games. If I had a big accounting test the next day, I'd most likely not go to the game.

 People are making this sound like it is unique to MU, which based on that Duke article, it is not. Just part of college athletics. We could make the student section 30% of what it is, and it would be filled most games, but then we could complain about the alums who aren't showing up to games and making it look sparse. Not blaming alums for anything, but it is just the nature of the beast.

 

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