Oso planning to go pro
Luke's the first guy with that size and decent hands we've had in a whileI think Luke is a true Aircraft Carrier type center, which we haven't had in a long time.Yes Luke could very well be better than OXtule (together or seperate) but let's not pretend we have been missing decent play at the 5 for many years. * Gardner was one of the best scoring big men in the BE* Three years ago (second S16 season) Otule played so well in the second half of the year he almost single-handily carried us into the second week of the tourney. At that time many here were wondering where Otule would be drafted. Just trying to stop the revisionist history/collective amnesia
I love Chris and wish we still had him for a 7th year. But by Aircraft Carrier I mean a 20 point 10 rebound kind of guy big man who is the focus of the opposition.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
That performance on Tuesday was the one I waited 6 years for Otule to have. Never happened. Not Once.
I highly doubt Luke will ever live up to your definition of "Aircraft Carrier" either. Seriously, do you know how rare a player averaging 20 and 10 actually is? Luke's game against ASU would have been below average if 20 and 10 was the standard.
One or two dopes compared Otule to Roy Hibbert and that means "we were wondering where Otule would be drafted? Please.Luke defended the rim more Tuesday than Gardner did in 4 years. And Luke had more smooth post moves around the basket Tuesday than Otule did in 6 years.Obviously, we don't know how good Luke will turn out to be yet. He has played one game for the Warriors. But in that one game ... wow!
I love Luke as much as everyone else.I'm pushing back at the revisionist history that says OXtule were crap and did nothing. That is what is being suggested.
OtuleNov 20, 2010, 15 points, 8 rebs agaisnt South Dakota (and Jake Thomas)Nov 27, 2010, 19 points, 5 rebs against LongwoodFeb 27, 2011, 16 points, 6 rebs, 4 blks against Providence March 3, 2013, 16 points, 4 rebs against #21 NDredshirt 2011/2012March 21, 2013, 11 points and 11 rebs against DavidsonNov 21, 2013, 16 points, 7 rebs against NHNov 12, 2103 17 points and 6 against GramblingDec 7, 2013 11 points and 9 rebs against #8 WisconsinAlso in 2010/2011 - Otule's 55 blocks was the most by an MU player in a single-season since Faisal Abraham (84) in 1996-97.Yes Luke had 19 points, 9 rebs and 5 blks, which is better than all of Otule's game, but only marginally so. So Otule came very close to that performance many times, you just elected to not remember them as a way to further hype Luke.But if you think that Luke's stat line against ASU will be a typical game the rest of the way, then I will tell you he's going to a lottery pick next summer and well never know how he would have played with Ellenson.So, let's stop pretending we have been undersized at the 5 since Robert Jackson to promote Luke.We had a serviceable 5 for many years with OXtule, now Luke could be taking that position to the next level.
So you just proved that Luke, in his first game as Warrior, had a game that was statistically better than any game Otule had in six years in the uniform?That is why people are saying we haven't had a player like this before. No one is saying Otule was bad. No one is saying Gardner was bad. They are saying that Fischer had a helluva game. And if he continues to have performances even close to this level, he will be the best center we have had in awhile.
Yes, this will not help Derrick as much as some others. He is going to have to move the ball quickly.
This is not now and has never been a strength of his. Hopefully, Wojo and the other ex-PG coaches will coach him up on rapid ball movement. But if the post is doubled, it's obviously going to be Derrick's defender in many (or most) instances. That does not bode well for the MU offense.
But on the good side of the ledger, we saw more Carlino, Duane, and JJJ together on the floor against ASU than we have previously. Derek will be in there whenever one of those three are not in the game, but as long as those three work hard on the defensive end, I think they will each get 30 min a game.
While, ASU is no world beater...they are sure as sh it better than South Dakota, Longwood, that particular Providence team, NH and Grambling(lol on this one).And you still completely missed the point of their posts. I'll break it down. Luke has size and hands. Ox had hands he didn't have center size.Luke is aircraft carrier center. Otule could once in a blue moon(usually against a garbage team) score double figures and get more than 5 rebounds in a game. We havn't had a player with Luke's capability and talent to do it regularly in a long time.Hopefully you are now up to speed on the logic of the rest of the board.
We had a serviceable 5 for many years with OXtule, now Luke could be taking that position to the next level.
I'm pushing back at the revisionist history that says OXtule were crap and did nothing. That is what is being suggested.
Heisenberg-Please show us the posts where people explicitly called Davante or Otule bad.Not mentioning Gardner as an "aircraft carrier" because he's a short 5 isn't revisionist history. Nor is omitting Chris because his offensive skill set was limited.This is without a doubt the most accurate thing you've said....and this is you taking enormous liberties with what wasn't said.
So, you don't understand intent in speech. The intent, and maybe it was unintentional, was to pump up Luke by knocking down OXtule. I realized you staked out a position so you elect to not see the following as a slap at OtuleThat performance on Tuesday was the one I waited 6 years for Otule to have. Never happened. Not Once. Explicit, no ... but everyone knows what was meant here. You're just being argumentative.BTW, "serviceable" was good enough for S16, S16 and E8. So "serviceable" does not mean bad. You can win with "serviceable"
So, you don't understand intent in speech. The intent, and maybe it was unintentional, was to pump up Luke by knocking down OXtule.