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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on December 03, 2022, 05:52:10 PM
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1. About that double team strategy....
2. Hepburn had a Roman Holiday, then made a Funny Face and left. He is forever Unforgiven. His last two makes, Omax and Oso were in perfect position.
3. Wisconsin was not interested in being turned over or sped up.
4. Oso has a mental block at the free throw line.
5. Wisconsin able to tread water until the return of Chucky.
6. Mr. Jones.
7. Rebounding.
8. In the end, Wisconsin made one more play. Alas.
Oso or Omax should take that ball out. Have Kolek as an open receiver.
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Can't get down by 16
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Baseball passes were awful. We were the better team outside of an 8 minute stretch in the first half.
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One of Shaka’s worst coached games. On to the next one.
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had tbeir chances. missed to many open 3s late.
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I don't really like how we executed once the game was right there for us.
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Absolutely brutal. Wisconsin is not good really at all. A bunch of what should be roll players on that team. We did make a Chucky Hepburn look like Dame Lillard. And couldn’t even pull it out with him missing 15 minutes and being hobbled when he came back.
Horrendous defensive strategy first half to double Steven Crown on the first bounce literally every time. Not hard to beat that when you know exactly what’s coming.
Then with Hepburn out/hampered we didn’t harass them in the back court the entire first half.
Drawing up plays to get OMax a 3? That ain’t it. And those two last in bound plays? Woof.
Wonder if Lenny will call anyone out for their missed predictions tonight. Won’t hold my breath.
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had tbeir chances. missed to many open 3s late.
Onax missed too many that were huge momentum killers.
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Highly disappointed - turned off at half - any goodwill from beating Baylor is gone.....
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Baseball passes were awful. We were the better team outside of an 8 minute stretch in the first half.
Oh come on. One those are the dumbest arguments ever. Two they were the better team anytime Hepburn was available to them.
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6. Mr. Jones.
Assuming Kam - I've been critical of MU's players being able to drive or create their own shot. Kam showed me something today.
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We did make a Chucky Hepburn look like Dame Lillard.
How did “we” make Chucky Hepburn look like Dame Lillard. In the game I watched he made multiple logo threes with our tallest and most athletic players in his face.
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One of Shaka’s worst coached games. On to the next one.
Yes Shaka was late on adjusting to running them away of 3 pt line. Rodents mostly suck and got turned over when playing inside.
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Omax and Oso looked like last season after starting the season so strong
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How did “we” make Chucky Hepburn look like Dame Lillard. In the game I watched he made multiple logo threes with our tallest and most athletic players in his face.
Yes. Once we gave him 4 wide open looks to start he had some confidence and made some tough shots. That’ll happen sometimes.
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1. About that double team strategy....
2. Hepburn had a Roman Holiday, then made a Funny Face and left. He is forever Unforgiven. His last two makes, Omax and Oso were in perfect position.
3. Wisconsin was not interested in being turned over or sped up.
4. Oso has a mental block at the free throw line.
5. Wisconsin able to tread water until the return of Chucky.
6. Mr. Jones.
7. Rebounding.
8. In the end, Wisconsin made one more play. Alas.
Oso or Omax should take that ball out. Have Kolek as an open receiver.
Yes but arms down when he started motion. When a shooter is that hot can't do that, rather let him penetrate to center of paint.
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Don't let them shoot 70% in the first. But give them credit, they battled back. Badgers just made one more play down the stretch.
Also, FTs Matta
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He was 1-10 against Dayton
How did “we” make Chucky Hepburn look like Dame Lillard. In the game I watched he made multiple logo threes with our tallest and most athletic players in his face.
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Just a frustrating way to end that game with not even a shot being put up. I know you don’t want to inbound into the backcourt but I’d rather have a final 3/4 court heave than that garbage.
Kam, great game young man!
My hatred for Chucky is not nut-puncher level, but it’s growing…
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Kolek crapped the bed. Thought he would be the reason for winning but hesitant to shoot a three, can’t drive well and can’t in bound the ball. He needs to be a rock for this team and not one of the reasons we lose. I still think he is the linch pin. He needs to have the balls to shoot and make things happen at the end of games. If he’s not capable, we need need Sean to play at the end. Disappointing loss. MU is good though. I’m not giving up on this season at all. ND will go down on Sunday.
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He was 1-10 against Dayton
We allowed him to practice 3 pointers first half, he made them and gave him all the confidence he needed.
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Going away from high pick and roll with Oso in OT is what led to 5 point deficit. That was the difference imo
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This was a setback.. It's a bit worrisome how this team will execute in a close game down the stretch. We're 0-3 to this point.
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Make one more foul shot in regular play and the outcome is different.
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Make one more foul shot in regular play and the outcome is different.
Or , not have a crappy shooting team not shoot 61% efg
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Other than the Baylor game, this season is a fail so far.
This was a setback.. It's a bit worrisome how this team will execute in a close game down the stretch. We're 0-3 to this point.
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Free throw percentage was not a macro problem. MU's was better than Wisconsin's. Oso developing a mental block at the line is a problem. Hack-an-Oso is coming.
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The doubling teaming and wide open sickouts for three really hurt them in first half. No one near the Wiskey shooters and Shaka didn't make adjustment. Same thing happened last year in BE play. Hope the review of game tapes works out something.
MU had there chances, a great comeback. Then Kolek missed an uncontested layup. Oso missed two free throws for the lead. Mitchell and Omax missed two wide open threes on consecutive possessions. It happens, but winning teams make some of those shots. They just have to look in the mirror at a tough loss at home.
Don't know why Shaka sat Ross out after he picked up fourth foul mid second half. Never returned to the game, why?
He would have added some offense not provided by Mitchell. Omax went 1 for 7 from three and half his points were at free throw line. It was all Kam. Oh well.
Conner Essigian was a three star recruit and he has some stroke. His two threes and a short two pointer were deadly when Hepburn went out. I hope one of MU's three star recruits next year has a stroke like his.
On to the Domers.
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Kolek crapped the bed. Thought he would be the reason for winning but hesitant to shoot a three, can’t drive well and can’t in bound the ball. He needs to be a rock for this team and not one of the reasons we lose. I still think he is the linch pin. He needs to have the balls to shoot and make things happen at the end of games. If he’s not capable, we need need Sean to play at the end. Disappointing loss. MU is good though. I’m not giving up on this season at all. ND will go down on Sunday.
He wasn't good and having two perimeter players on the floor that are beyond gunshy makes things tough. Now, we had 5 possessions that would have changed the outcome in our favor. The four missed (wide open( threes by O-Max and Stevie and the careless turn fron Kam on the blow by about 35 feet from the rim. But to your point Kolek has to look to be a scorer throughout the game, and the Kam turnover sort of illustrates that he was hesitant to take over possessions.
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Or , not have a crappy shooting team not shoot 61% efg
Yep defensive adjustment way late. Once team is killing it from 3, have to keep 'em from shooting 3's.
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Shaka lost this game. Too many coaching mistakes cost us in a close game.
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Poor strategy and poor play in the first half. Made up for it in the second half, but the hill was too tall to climb.
JB is right. The problem wasn't the FT%...it was UW's EFG in the first half that killed us.
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Team was visibly gassed in OT. Think they should have used a timeout after omax free throws at 2:34 remaining. They had 3 left. Though it’s easy to say now.
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I want Omax shooting open 3's. Today is the first time I can remember that he wanted to be the man at crunch time. He had good looks. He missed. In his case, perhaps he should have gone past the defender closing out and tried to get either a lay up or a foul.
Opportunity for growth.
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Baylor game is an aberration - can’t beat a weak Wisconsin team missing their PG for a half, at home yet. 9th in the BE may be right.
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I want Omax shooting open 3's. Today is the first time I can remember that he wanted to be the man at crunch time. He had good looks. He missed. In his case, perhaps he should have gone past the defender closing out and tried to get either a lay up or a foul.
Opportunity for growth.
Yep. He hits that wide open three at the top of the key, MU likely wins.
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Going away from high pick and roll with Oso in OT is what led to 5 point deficit. That was the difference imo
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Poor defensive strategy in the first half continually doubling Crowl, poor offensive strategy in OT going away from the high pick and roll, and extremely poor inbound “plays” to end the game. It’s particularly hard to believe they did the same thing twice.
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ESPNs stats must be off. It says Hepburn hard 19 pts. My memory of the game would say he had about 43
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Poor defensive strategy in the first half continually doubling Crowl, poor offensive strategy in OT going away from the high pick and roll, and extremely poor inbound “plays” to end the game. It’s particularly hard to believe they did the same thing twice.
The inbound play was a complete disaster
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Here's the bottom line:
TyKo has to play well down the stretch and in general for us to beat quality teams in close games. He's the guy, the conductor. He can't be hesitant, can't turn it over 5 times, and has to be a scoring threat with his passing abilities. Mitchell has essentially lost confidence offensively. We can't have two guys hesitant to make plays. In this particular contest I am a little dumbfounded Ross didn't play at all after that charge call.
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Also, FTs Matta
Errrr, MU made more than the Bags took.
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Baylor game is an aberration - can’t beat a weak Wisconsin team missing their PG for a half, at home yet. 9th in the BE may be right.
You turned around for calling people out for COLE quickly! MU won't finish worse than 6th in the BE.
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Baylor game is an aberration - can’t beat a weak Wisconsin team missing their PG for a half, at home yet. 9th in the BE may be right.
No longer,did you change your moniker?
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ESPNs stats must be off. It says Hepburn hard 19 pts. My memory of the game would say he had about 43
Wish he shot like Katherine Hepburn .
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Baylor game is an aberration - can’t beat a weak Wisconsin team missing their PG for a half, at home yet. 9th in the BE may be right.
I understand this concern but we were playing from a 16 pt deficit. These guys fought back. That said I don't expect Wisky to do much in the B14.
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eFG% reigns supreme. They hit some contested threes. We missed some open looks. We’re a lil but better team, but luck can shift things in a hurry
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The doubling teaming and wide open sickouts for three really hurt them in first half. No one near the Wiskey shooters and Shaka didn't make adjustment. Same thing happened last year in BE play. Hope the review of game tapes works out something.
MU had there chances, a great comeback. Then Kolek missed an uncontested layup. Oso missed two free throws for the lead. Mitchell and Omax missed two wide open threes on consecutive possessions. It happens, but winning teams make some of those shots. They just have to look in the mirror at a tough loss at home.
Don't know why Shaka sat Ross out after he picked up fourth foul mid second half. Never returned to the game, why?
He would have added some offense not provided by Mitchell. Omax went 1 for 7 from three and half his points were at free throw line. It was all Kam. Oh well.
Conner Essigian was a three star recruit and he has some stroke. His two threes and a short two pointer were deadly when Hepburn went out. I hope one of MU's three star recruits next year has a stroke like his.
On to the Domers.
Good summary..right on. Felt it was the poorest game Shaka's coached at MU. I'll add I have NO idea why with 3.5 seconds, down 2, Kolek's only option was to fire a pass to the other side of halfcourt where you had 4 on 3 defense. Omax screening the ball on the out of bounds play.
Just brutal. You 100% inbound the ball in the backcourt in that situation with Kam catching it on the run. But, we had so many wide open 3's that were missed, and Hepburn was in the zone, career night shooting 26 foot bombs over Oso and Omax.
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eFG% reigns supreme.
You mean wins aren't predicated on deflections????!!!????
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Here's the bottom line:
TyKo has to play well down the stretch and in general for us to beat quality teams in close games. He's the guy, the conductor. He can't be hesitant, can't turn it over 5 times, and has to be a scoring threat with his passing abilities. Mitchell has essentially lost confidence offensively. We can't have two guys hesitant to make plays. In this particular contest I am a little dumbfounded Ross didn't play at all after that charge call.
Kolek had five turnovers and made two field goals. But then again he had eight assists. He is just not consistent game to game and wonder if that will ever change. Mitchell has zero offense and is in there for defense. I see his minutes going down for Ross and like I said earlier, no clue why Ross didn't play since mid second half.
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I am COLE after that coaching and performance against Bucky.
You turned around for calling people out for COLE quickly! MU won't finish worse than 6th in the BE.
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I want Omax shooting open 3's. Today is the first time I can remember that he wanted to be the man at crunch time. He had good looks. He missed. In his case, perhaps he should have gone past the defender closing out and tried to get either a lay up or a foul.
Opportunity for growth.
Yes, way better than Kolek shying away from the moment. Definitely didn’t mind Omax shooting.
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Yep. He hits that wide open three at the top of the key, MU likely wins.
Has he hit a three from the top of the key this season? Under 4 mins I think DJop amd Ross should have been on the floor offensive/defense.
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If Hepburn hadn’t missed most of 2nd half we’d have lost by double digits. The 2nd half comeback is a mirage. Yuck.
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Has he hit a three from the top of the key this season? Under 4 mins I think DJop amd Ross should have been on the floor offensive/defense.
I want OMax on the floor at all times down the stretch. Yes, Ross should have played more, but not at his expense.
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I want OMax on the floor at all times down the stretch. Yes, Ross should have played more, but not at his expense.
I think Ross a frosh with 4 fouls was why he wasn't in.
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I want OMax on the floor at all times down the stretch. Yes, Ross should have played more, but not at his expense.
Perhaps but I think it depends on the game. Djop and Ross if nothing else space the floor. They were not guarding Mitchell and O-Max from distance in the closing mins.
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wades
I will call myself out on my prediction. I fully expected they would come out fast and get a quick lead. That did not happen and we trailed the whole way. Very disappointing loss and pissed off with result.
I don’t care if the Badgers shot 100% in the first, this is the game we should win. Zero silver lining to me, but I not looking for silver linings.
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I blame all of you losers who placed wagers on Bucky.
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If O-Max hits any of those 3s, down the stretch MU wins. That's what this team is
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Baylor game is an aberration - can’t beat a weak Wisconsin team missing their PG for a half, at home yet. 9th in the BE may be right.
MU fans call Wisconsin weak almost every year. They are almost always wrong.
MU will be top 4 in BE and Uw could well be top 4 in the B10.
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I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
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I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
yep yep!
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wades
I will call myself out on my prediction. I fully expected they would come out fast and get a quick lead. That did not happen and we trailed the whole way. Very disappointing loss and pissed off with result.
I don’t care if the Badgers shot 100% in the first, this is the game we should win. Zero silver lining to me, but I not looking for silver linings.
I have no problem with people making an incorrect prediction. I do chuckle when someone who made no prediction (Lenny) comes on here calling out people for their incorrect prediction. I was wondering if Lenny did that for all incorrect predictions, or just for certain posters. (Actually, I wasn’t wondering at all. I knew for 100% certain the answer to that.)
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I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
That’s a good point, Goose.
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Badgers execute their offense year after year just lol they did today.
MU played well but not enough at the end when the game was on the line .
Looking forward to beating The Irosh
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I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
Well said Goose. Feel the same
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I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
Absolutely. Plenty of opportunities. Win next two, do well in Conf, we’re more than fine
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Not sure I agree Goose - mediocre Wisconsin team, hated rival at home favored by 6, missing PG for 2nd half, and lost. crapty loss by Shaka
I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
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We have now seen how Coach Smart plans to address the size issue underneath. Double teams. I actually liked some of them and really saw the emphasis in rotation by the weak side
Wiscy made MU pay and made it rain.
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We have now seen how Coach Smart plans to address the size issue underneath. Double teams. I actually liked some of them and really saw the emphasis in rotation by the weak side
Wiscy made MU pay and made it rain.
They were way better in the second half because they didn't come off UW's shooters.
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Point
I think you know I want to win badly and not looking for baby steps, if that is all we get. We are going the right direction.
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Absolutely brutal. Wisconsin is not good really at all. A bunch of what should be roll players on that team. We did make a Chucky Hepburn look like Dame Lillard. And couldn’t even pull it out with him missing 15 minutes and being hobbled when he came back.
Horrendous defensive strategy first half to double Steven Crown on the first bounce literally every time. Not hard to beat that when you know exactly what’s coming.
Then with Hepburn out/hampered we didn’t harass them in the back court the entire first half.
Drawing up plays to get OMax a 3? That ain’t it. And those two last in bound plays? Woof.
Wonder if Lenny will call anyone out for their missed predictions tonight. Won’t hold my breath.
More shots at our coaching than you took (total) in 7 mostly mediocre to bad) years. Hmmm.
Hepburn was making tough step back 3s from the jump. Career game. Saying we made him Lilliard is just plain stupid.
Anyone who was 41 points off on their prediction (like you were vs Baylor) deserves to be called out. Anyone pick us to win by 41 in regulation? LOL.
Look. You don’t like Shaka’s coaching and you don’t like the players he recruits. You think we suck. That’s your prerogative. But these out of control rants aren’t a good look. Take a break. If Willie has hacked your account I apologize.
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More shots at our coaching than you took (total) in 7 mostly mediocre to bad) years. Hmmm.
Hepburn was making tough step back 3s from the jump. Career game. Saying we made him Lilliard is just plain stupid.
Anyone who was 41 points off on their prediction (like you were vs Baylor) deserves to be called out. Anyone pick us to win by 41 in regulation? LOL.
Look. You don’t like Shaka’s coaching and you don’t like the players he recruits. You think we suck. That’s your prerogative. But these out of control rants aren’t a good look. Take a break. If Willie has hacked your account I apologize.
I think Shaka is a good coach. I don’t think this year’s talent is good enough. And I didn’t think Shaka’s game plan was good today. I don’t think there was any kind of out of control rant. But thanks for the advice!
Does your bookie give you credit for being close when you lose a bet? If so, can I get his or her contact please?
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Shaka Smart LOL
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Shaka Smart LOL
at least theres one scooper enjoying this loss lol.
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I have no problem with people making an incorrect prediction. I do chuckle when someone who made no prediction (Lenny) comes on here calling out people for their incorrect prediction. I was wondering if Lenny did that for all incorrect predictions, or just for certain posters. (Actually, I wasn’t wondering at all. I knew for 100% certain the answer to that.)
You said something dumb that turned out out to be wrong by an almost unimaginable amount. That’s a fact. Nobody held a gun to your head and made you say something so absurd. You WANTED to show everyone haw smart you are. And you did. Congratulations.
I used to be in the prediction business. Did it every day on a trading floor and most nights through my bookie. Won some, lost some. Even missed some by a lot, though none in my recollection as badly as you missed MU v Baylor.
I don’t bet games anymore - not interested in doing the work/research it takes to do it well. But I’m still OK at spotting trends. It was obvious to me early that Buzz could coach and that Wojo couldn’t. It’s also obvious to me that Shaka has began a turnaround at Marquette. You disagree. We’ll see.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eLPnizE3xw
Shaka says.....
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You said something dumb that turned out out to be wrong by an almost unimaginable amount. That’s a fact. Nobody held a gun to your head and made you say something so absurd. You WANTED to show everyone haw smart you are. And you did. Congratulations.
I used to be in the prediction business. Did it every day on a trading floor and most nights through my bookie. Won some, lost some. Even missed some by a lot, though none in my recollection as badly as you missed MU v Baylor.
I don’t bet games anymore - not interested in doing the work/research it takes to do it well. But I’m still OK at spotting trends. It was obvious to me early that Buzz could coach and that Wojo couldn’t. It’s also obvious to me that Shaka has began a turnaround at Marquette. You disagree. We’ll see.
I actually don’t disagree. You’re confusing thinking THIS YEAR’S TEAM doesn’t have enough talent with Shaka Smart sucks. Those are two wildly different things.
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I think Shaka is a good coach. I don’t think this year’s talent is good enough. And I didn’t think Shaka’s game plan was good today. I don’t think there was any kind of out of control rant. But thanks for the advice!
Does your bookie give you credit for being close when you lose a bet? If so, can I get his or her contact please?
I thought we played well offensively. 51% from the field, 45% from 3. The offense looked good again, in totality.
The defense was horrible and the ability to find a late game answer offensively is what lacked. I keep seeing 'closer' but this isn't the NBA, we aren't going to have a closer on this roster. We just won't.
We have to collectively knock down shots late to win, not going to be one guy.
I expected a loss so I was overall happy with the fight. UW was clearly the better team and we gave them everything we had.
Onto NCCU.
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this loss hurts. lets get drunk. peace boys
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this loss hurts. lets get drunk. peace boys
No wonder MU lost....
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at least theres one scooper enjoying this loss lol.
Not enjoying it at all but Shaka was inept today. P
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I don’t care if the Badgers shot 100% in the first, this is the game we should win. Zero silver lining to me, but I not looking for silver linings.
Except, about a half-hour later, you actually offered a silver lining ...
I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
I actually agree with that silver lining, Goose, and I still think we're gonna have a good season, including an NCAAT invitation.
And again, it's OK to point out when a coach we both think is good has a far-from-good game.
In addition to late adjustments to Madison's offense and some questionable personnel decisions, those final two plays were unbecoming of a good coach. We had almost 4 seconds left; we could have gotten a make-able shot just by hitting Kam or O-Max on the run in the backcourt. I watched the game with a group of MU fans, and we were all stunned that Shaka's team failed not just once but twice to get off a shot.
Oh well. Onward and upward.
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I get we were all riding the high of destroying Baylor. MU was going to fall back to Earth pretty quickly. The Badgers, as usual, are still a very good team. Should have beaten Kansas. All three of MU's losses were so close which in some ways is more difficult to accept. I really like Shaka and this group of guys. This thread is full of a ton of overreactions.
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Has he hit a three from the top of the key this season? Under 4 mins I think DJop amd Ross should have been on the floor offensive/defense.
Yes……against Baylor……in our last game.
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Terrible loss - both can be true - not enough talent and shaka not good enough. Maybe next year?
I actually don’t disagree. You’re confusing thinking THIS YEAR’S TEAM doesn’t have enough talent with Shaka Smart sucks. Those are two wildly different things.
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In addition to late adjustments to Madison's offense and some questionable personnel decisions, those final two plays were unbecoming of a good coach. We had almost 4 seconds left; we could have gotten a make-able shot just by hitting Kam or O-Max on the run in the backcourt. I watched the game with a group of MU fans, and we were all stunned that Shaka's team failed not just once but twice to get off a shot.
When asked about this during the post game show, Shaka put that squarely on himself and said the team simply hadn’t worked on those types of plays much in practice. That much was obvious — the team seemed completely clueless and neither of Kolek’s passes came within five feet of a Marquette player.
I like Shaka and think he has us headed in a better direction than Wojo, but that lack of preparation isn’t something you’d expect from a guy who’s been a D1 head coach for over ten years. Bit of a head scratcher.
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When asked about this during the post game show, Shaka put that squarely on himself and said the team simply hadn’t worked on those types of plays much in practice. That much was obvious — the team seemed completely clueless and neither of Kolek’s passes came within five feet of a Marquette player.
I like Shaka and think he has us headed in a better direction than Wojo, but that lack of preparation isn’t something you’d expect from a guy who’s been a D1 head coach for over ten years. Bit of a head scratcher.
I don't get it. Then inbound the ball to Joplin and let him take 3 dribbles and a heave. I surely didn't expect a Christian Laettner style one timer.
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Screen the guy guarding the inbound. Have Oso screen for a runner at midcourt then throw it to him. Timeout. Now you have 2.5 in a SLOB situation to get a shot. Much more manageable.
It's easy to get caught up on that tactic not working twice, but the bigger issue to me was continuing to double as much as they did.
If this young team is gonna learn how to close out games it shouldn't have to overcome the coaching staff too.
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When asked about this during the post game show, Shaka put that squarely on himself and said the team simply hadn’t worked on those types of plays much in practice. That much was obvious — the team seemed completely clueless and neither of Kolek’s passes came within five feet of a Marquette player.
I like Shaka and think he has us headed in a better direction than Wojo, but that lack of preparation isn’t something you’d expect from a guy who’s been a D1 head coach for over ten years. Bit of a head scratcher.
Really surprised they hadn't worked much on this potential scenario.
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First "bad" loss of the season but honestly won't hurt us much come selection Sunday. The Badgers aren't falling out of the top 75 so at worst it is a Q2 loss.
I'm fine doubling bigs in the post but it clearly wasn't working and we didn't adjust quick enough. 15 minutes into the game Klesmit, Crowl, Wahl, and Hepburn were something like 15/16 from the floor. Some of that is luck but it also doesn't happen unless the defense is poor.
That being said, some of the shots Hepburn hit were just unfookingbelievable. He finally missed one at that end but at least 3 of his 5 threes had no business going in. Nothing you can do about those.
Additionally, Wahl got his second three pointer after missing his last seven and 10 of his last 11. Magee also got his first three of the season. In both cases they were open so it's on the defense but there's also some luck too.
While the slow defensive adjustments were bad, I think Shaka not trusting his bench was the real killer tonight. 4 starters logged 35+ minutes and no sub got more than 16 minutes in a 45 minute game. We were the better team in the second half by a lot, but our guys were gassed. A lot of them had shots come up short in the closing minutes. Now Wisconsin played 4 starters 34+ minutes as well, not that much different, but their style of ball takes less energy than ours and their subs were more spread out over the course the game. I don't think we saw any of Sean, Ross, or Gold over the last 15 minutes of play and Joplin only had a few minutes. I get wanting to keep your starters out there but they definitely needed a breather.
Speaking of trusting the bench, I think we needed Sean Jones out there on the two inbounds plays. I think if Kolek could have either hit Sean in stride moving up the court or hit a big at quartercourt with sean running fullspeed ready to take a hand off or pass...with his speed I think he could have either gotten a shot at the rim or found an open shooter. Or at very least gotten us to halfcourt for another timeout so we can run a SOB play. I know that's a lot of pressure to put on a true freshmen but I think his afterburners would have gotten us a much better look than the baseball passes we drew up.
Oso shot 74% from the free throw line last season. Something in his head is messing with him
I swear Tyler leads the league in layups that look perfect off the release that somehow rim out.
I know it's easier said then done, but when an opponent picks up a 4th foul, I wish we would make a more conscious effort to attack him when he's on defense. At worst, you are going to get a guy who is nervous to defend for fear of fouling out. At best, you remove a key opponent from the equation. Both Essegian and Crowl were able to successfully play for at least 8 minutes each with 4 fouls. Either of them foul out and you have either Gilmore or Magee having to play key minutes.
I think it's safe to say that we struggle against low tempo teams. Radford and Chicago State are both in the bottom half for tempo and Purdue, Mississippi State, and Wisconsin are in the bottom 60 teams for tempo. Good news is that there is only 1 really ultra slow team in the Big East (Villanova). Bad news is that are last significant non-conference game is the slowest one yet.
Tough loss, should have won this one. Beat the Domers and we are in very good position heading into Big East play. Lose and we will need to win a lot in Big East play (though I think this is a strong possibility).
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First "bad" loss of the season but honestly won't hurt us much come selection Sunday. The Badgers aren't falling out of the top 75 so at worst it is a Q2 loss.
I'm fine doubling bigs in the post but it clearly wasn't working and we didn't adjust quick enough. 15 minutes into the game Klesmit, Crowl, Wahl, and Hepburn were something like 15/16 from the floor. Some of that is luck but it also doesn't happen unless the defense is poor.
That being said, some of the shots Hepburn hit were just unfookingbelievable. He finally missed one at that end but at least 3 of his 5 threes had no business going in. Nothing you can do about those.
Additionally, Wahl got his second three pointer after missing his last seven and 10 of his last 11. Magee also got his first three of the season. In both cases they were open so it's on the defense but there's also some luck too.
While the slow defensive adjustments were bad, I think Shaka not trusting his bench was the real killer tonight. 4 starters logged 35+ minutes and no sub got more than 16 minutes in a 45 minute game. We were the better team in the second half by a lot, but our guys were gassed. A lot of them had shots come up short in the closing minutes. Now Wisconsin played 4 starters 34+ minutes as well, not that much different, but their style of ball takes less energy than ours and their subs were more spread out over the course the game. I don't think we saw any of Sean, Ross, or Gold over the last 15 minutes of play and Joplin only had a few minutes. I get wanting to keep your starters out there but they definitely needed a breather.
Speaking of trusting the bench, I think we needed Sean Jones out there on the two inbounds plays. I think if Kolek could have either hit Sean in stride moving up the court or hit a big at quartercourt with sean running fullspeed ready to take a hand off or pass...with his speed I think he could have either gotten a shot at the rim or found an open shooter. Or at very least gotten us to halfcourt for another timeout so we can run a SOB play. I know that's a lot of pressure to put on a true freshmen but I think his afterburners would have gotten us a much better look than the baseball passes we drew up.
Oso shot 74% from the free throw line last season. Something in his head is messing with him
I swear Tyler leads the league in layups that look perfect off the release that somehow rim out.
I think it's safe to say that we struggle against low tempo teams. Radford and Chicago State are both in the bottom half for tempo and Purdue, Mississippi State, and Wisconsin are in the bottom 60 teams for tempo. Good news is that there is only 1 really ultra slow team in the Big East (Villanova). Bad news is that are last significant non-conference game is the slowest one yet.
Tough loss, should have won this one. Beat the Domers and we are in very good position heading into Big East play. Lose and we will need to win a lot in Big East play (though I think this is a strong possibility).
Excellent analysis. I made the same point about having Sean in the final 3.5 secs. I'm not sure he gets a quality shot off but he certainly could have gotten up the floor to call another time-out.
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I'll add that we've lost 3 games by a combined 11 points, all against likely NCAAT teams. These losses are frustrating but just a season ago, we blown out by NIT-bound St. Bonaventure, and had double digit losses to UCLA and Bucky. Our big win was a 1 point victory over a Cockburnless (usually a good thing but not in this case) Illinois. That's nowhere near as impressive as our 26 shellacking of a full strength Baylor.
We are seeing season to season improvement so far. We need to see how the rest of the season plays out, but so far this team is performing much better than last year's.
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I'll add that we've lost 3 games by a combined 11 points, all against likely NCAAT teams. These losses are frustrating but just a season ago, we blown out by NIT-bound St. Bonaventure, and had double digit losses to UCLA and Bucky. Our big win was a 1 point victory over a Cockburnless (usually a good thing but not in this case) Illinois. That's nowhere near as impressive as our 26 shellacking of a full strength Baylor.
We are seeing season to season improvement so far. We need to see how the rest of the season plays out, but so far this team is performing much better than last year's.
Gotta win these last 2. Absolute must wins.
8-3 is a SIGNIFICANT difference compared to 7-4 when looking at March hopes.
Might be a reach, but if we can go 10-10 in Big East play the difference between 18-13 and 17-14 could mean NCCA vs. NIT.
According to KenPom our 33rd ranked offense is significantly improved from last years 64th ranked offense. Our defense is nearly identical at 55 last year and 56 this year.
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Gotta win these last 2. Absolute must wins.
8-3 is a SIGNIFICANT difference compared to 7-4 when looking at March hopes.
Might be a reach, but if we can go 10-10 in Big East play the difference between 18-13 and 17-14 could mean NCCA vs. NIT.
According to KenPom our 33rd ranked offense is significantly improved from last years 64th ranked offense. Our defense is nearly identical at 55 last year and 56 this year.
Must wins for what? Because I promise you that if we lose our next two and go 20-0 in Big East play, we will be dancing with a very high seed.
If you are saying they are must wins for us to make the dance with a 10-10 Big East record than I would agree. I will be very disappointed if we finish with a 10-10 Big East record.
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Must wins for what? Because I promise you that if we lose our next two and go 20-0 in Big East play, we will be dancing with a very high seed.
If you are saying they are must wins for us to make the dance with a 10-10 Big East record than I would agree. I will be very disappointed if we finish with a 10-10 Big East record.
We were 11-9 last season. This season there are less freebie wins in the Big East.
I see the talent. I truly do, I just can't get on board with them being a surefire tournament team that a lot of people are starting to talk on. An 8-3 NonCon is the 1st step in getting me there. Gotta show you can win on the road and beat capable teams in close games which that ND game is almost sure to be.
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After this week I feel like Shaka spent 3 years preparing for Baylor and 3 days preparing for Bucky.
Wisconsin is a system team. They do the same thing over and over. This year they lack their usual level of talent. I’m not saying Wisconsin is an easy scout or an easy win, but they are much more repetitious than Nova or Creighton or X.
My point: as long as Gard is there, this game gets won with the scout and with the prep. Didn’t see that this time.
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Screen the guy guarding the inbound. Have Oso screen for a runner at midcourt then throw it to him. Timeout. Now you have 2.5 in a SLOB situation to get a shot. Much more manageable.
It's easy to get caught up on that tactic not working twice, but the bigger issue to me was continuing to double as much as they did.
If this young team is gonna learn how to close out games it shouldn't have to overcome the coaching staff too.
That is very similar to what happened on the first one. A screen for Kam who cut cross court. His defender slipped and was 10 feet away when the ball sailed over his head. Alas.
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One of Shaka’s worst coached games. On to the next one.
Agree. Shaka seemed out of it and just not in sync. Our of bound plays were awful.
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I am far less disappointed about this loss than I am high over the Baylor win. We saw the upside of the team on Tuesday and if today is the low, we are going the right direction.
Goose,
2nd season in a row your helping me keep my optimism.
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How could Shaka have NOT practiced late game ( last 5 seconds) situations ??
That’s embarrassing and inexcusable.
They have played 4 decent to good teams. They are 1 - 3, and have failed
( badly) in execution in the last few minutes of each loss. That’s a problem
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Shaka needs to trust the freshman a little more. I think our starters were gassed they seemed to play all the last 10 minutes.
With the game on the line, O-Max shooting a 3 is not a good possession.
If Hepburn doesn't get hurt, I don't think we ever get back in that game.
Wisconsin is very well coached.
FTs matter a little.
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When asked about this during the post game show, Shaka put that squarely on himself and said the team simply hadn’t worked on those types of plays much in practice. That much was obvious — the team seemed completely clueless and neither of Kolek’s passes came within five feet of a Marquette player.
I like Shaka and think he has us headed in a better direction than Wojo, but that lack of preparation isn’t something you’d expect from a guy who’s been a D1 head coach for over ten years. Bit of a head scratcher.
Thanks for pointing that out. I just listened to the presser now.
"We've got to find the right guy to make that pass and that catch. We've worked on that some in practice but nowhere near enough, and that's my job ... "
Well, yes it is.
While I appreciate Shaka's honesty, it's pretty shocking that a D1 head basketball coach didn't have his team prepared for an important situation -- a situation that isn't exactly rare.
Very disappointing, and a poor look on our highly compensated, nationally praised head coach -- who is now 0-2 against the in-state rival that we all love to hate.
Wiz also made numerous outstanding points, especially about Shaka's poor personnel decisions.
Good coaches can have bad games, just as good players and good refs can. Learn lessons, get better, beat the eff out of ND, and then win lots of BEast games.
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Thanks for pointing that out. I just listened to the presser now.
"We've got to find the right guy to make that pass and that catch. We've worked on that some in practice but nowhere near enough, and that's my job ... "
Well, yes it is.
While I appreciate Shaka's honesty, it's pretty shocking that a D1 head basketball coach didn't have his team prepared for an important situation -- a situation that isn't exactly rare.
Very disappointing, and a poor look on our highly compensated, nationally praised head coach -- who is now 0-2 against the in-state rival that we all love to hate.
Wiz also made numerous outstanding points, especially about Shaka's poor personnel decisions.
Good coaches can have bad games, just as good players and good refs can. Learn lessons, get better, beat the eff out of ND, and then win lots of BEast games.
I think Wisconsin is going to give us fits for the balance of the Gard/Shaka era. A well coached team that can avoid excessive turnovers and slow pace with a good big is a tough match up for Shaka teams.
I hope that comment ages more like milk than fine wine.
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Add me to the list of people that wanted Sean Jones in at the end. Get him the ball streaking up the sideline.
Either call timeout at halfcourt or at least get a heave at the basket, a la Junior Cadougan vs UConn.
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I don't get it. Then inbound the ball to Joplin and let him take 3 dribbles and a heave. I surely didn't expect a Christian Laettner style one timer.
oh so simple...ya'd think he might have a player or 3 all over him like a bad trench coat
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CT - I agree with you. But it’s
Shaka’s job to figure that out. Soon.
Continued losing to Madison will not wear well
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Shaka ball can beat undisciplined teams. Against a mediocre fundamentally solid Wisconsin team, shaka ball does not win. Shaka ball disappoints at crunch time repeatedly (as does Kolek).
BEast coaches will figure this out - this is shaping up to be a repeat of last season. Wish this is not the case, but what will change the course?
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Shaka ball can beat undisciplined teams. Against a mediocre fundamentally solid Wisconsin team, shaka ball does not win. Shaka ball disappoints at crunch time repeatedly (as does Kolek).
BEast coaches will figure this out - this is shaping up to be a repeat of last season. Wish this is not the case, but what will change the course?
Playing better.
Look, I get it. Losing to UW sucks. But it hardly means doom and gloom for the rest of the season. They were down 11 at half, fought back to take a lead, and could have extended it (and IMO put the game to bed) had OMax hit that uncontested 3 up top.
And down 2 with six seconds to go, Shaka drew up a nice play that TK and Oso ran to perfection. And even then, down seven in OT they came back to tie it back up.
We aren't as good as Scoop thought on Wednesday morning, but we aren't as bad as Scoop thinks this morning. And blanket statements like "Shaka ball disappoints at crunch time repeatedly" are just selective memories of negative events.
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"We've got to find the right guy to make that pass and that catch. We've worked on that some in practice but nowhere near enough, and that's my job ... "
Well, yes it is.
Shaka's "explanation still bugs me. He is saying the play was right but the execution wasn't. I don't think the play was right AT ALL. That is a play you run when you've got under 2 seconds to get off a shot. 3.5 is a lot more time particularly when you also have a timeout. Kam had proven to be the go to guy all day so he should be primary but we have other guards who can dribble up and shot as alternatives. Assuming the ball is inbounded around 3/4 court a skilled dribbler can easily get in position to take a shot. In fact fast guards can even get to the rim. I've seen teams do it against MU. Unless that was the ONLY end of game play Shaka has had them practice it was the WRONG play call. A coaching mistake pure and simple and as other have said very concerning coming from our experienced coach.
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Playing better.
Look, I get it. Losing to UW sucks. But it hardly means doom and gloom for the rest of the season. They were down 11 at half, fought back to take a lead, and could have extended it (and IMO put the game to bed) had OMax hit that uncontested 3 up top.
And down 2 with six seconds to go, Shaka drew up a nice play that TK and Oso ran to perfection. And even then, down seven in OT they came back to tie it back up.
We aren't as good as Scoop thought on Wednesday morning, but we aren't as bad as Scoop thinks this morning. And blanket statements like "Shaka ball disappoints at crunch time repeatedly" are just selective memories of negative events.
I appreciate the voice of reason.
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Shaka ball can beat undisciplined teams. Against a mediocre fundamentally solid Wisconsin team, shaka ball does not win. Shaka ball disappoints at crunch time repeatedly (as does Kolek).
BEast coaches will figure this out - this is shaping up to be a repeat of last season. Wish this is not the case, but what will change the course?
You mean another tourney appearance after being picked 9th in the conference?
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oh so simple...ya'd think he might have a player or 3 all over him like a bad trench coat
Yes, that is what I think.
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Shaka lost this game. Too many coaching mistakes cost us in a close game.
Did Shaka lose the game or the players. Oso and Omax had the game in there hands and refused to make a clutch shot. Also, the inability to guard Essigian was a coaches problem, one of the best shooters I have seen had to many open shots! That was on Shaka.
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I'd be mad if the team spent a ton of time on those miracle situation in practice. Folks are really hung up on that when the team played an undisciplined game on the defensive end. Especially the first half.
I agree Shaka had a bad day, but not because of those plays at the end.
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Yep, that’s the ceiling
You mean another tourney appearance after being picked 9th in the conference?
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I can see some of the rationale of the double teaming. Put pressure on the ball and hope it gets them into a turnover or rushing shots earlier by being open. They aren’t a great 3 point team. I don’t agree with it since it allowed them to get hot. Hepburn hit some tough long twos.
I had to look up the score from last year’s UW game, I sort of forgot it. It would have been a big non-conference win, but if we beat ND, I think we’ve set ourselves up well.
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I think Shaka’s response to the last plays is a little more nuanced. He quietly called out TK for making terrible passes but is taking the heat. That’s good coaching. We had plenty of chances to win before the last two inbounds plays. WI is frustrating, we fought hard after being absolutely punched in the face in half one.
Having S Jones in at the end is an interesting thought, it didn’t cross my mind as I liked going with the experienced guys, but I think it might have been a good thought if the play was to get it in quickly and push it up the court. I want to beat WI badly every year, but what a game to be at and the boys fought.
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You mean another tourney appearance after being picked 9th in the conference?
Exactly.
Reasonable people would be happy with that.
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If we played the defense in the first half that we played in the second half they would not have shot what, 70%? UW is not a mediocre team as some here have said. Thy lost 2 close games and now we lost 3 to teams that like to control the tempo. We are only a third of the way into the season and quite frankly I would have us start out with some disappointing losses and hopefully finish the season strong, unlike last year. There a lot of games to play and even the games we lost were fun to watch because we were in the game until the last few possessions.
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Did Shaka lose the game or the players. Oso and Omax had the game in there hands and refused to make a clutch shot. Also, the inability to guard Essigian was a coaches problem, one of the best shooters I have seen had to many open shots! That was on Shaka.
Let's not go down this road again. The Pro-Jo's had their pity party about the players old Wojo was made to coach. That did not play out well at all.
I trust Shaka will turn this around. The team is lacking BE quality now but Shaka will bring in better players. Just like every system in basketball, Shaka's needs an above average PG. Shaka's system has a very high ceiling and I'm excited to see it.
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For as much criticism as Shaka is getting for the inbounds plays, if Kolek executes a pretty easy pass to an open Kam Jones he’s one dribble across half court and calls a timeout. Players have to execute.
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For as much criticism as Shaka is getting for the inbounds plays, if Kolek executes a pretty easy pass to an open Kam Jones he’s one dribble across half court and calls a timeout. Players have to execute.
Yes.
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Let's not go down this road again. The Pro-Jo's had their pity party about the players old Wojo was made to coach. That did not play out well at all.
I trust Shaka will turn this around. The team is lacking BE quality now but Shaka will bring in better players. Just like every system in basketball, Shaka's needs an above average PG. Shaka's system has a very high ceiling and I'm excited to see it.
Shakas coaching is fine, he turned a bad situation into a good one, one that will be better in the future. Excited moving forward with the 8 or 9 players coming back
next year and 3 recruits he brought in for next year, future is bright. Last play, oh well, did not work, but MU had 39 minutes and 56 seconds to win that game.
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There were a lot of overconfident Scoopers prior to this game. Surprising to me. Wisconsin board probably going to town with some of those. This loss doesn't bother me. Hopefully a good lesson for both the coaching staff and the players and Scoopdom!
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Free throws: Wiscy 8-13 MU 14-20
MU made more than Wiscy shot and made a higher percentage.
Oso is struggling. The rest of the team is fine.
Everybody else went 13-16.
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Uw Madison extension hit some tough shots tbh. A little luck can go a long way.
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Uw Madison extension hit some tough shots tbh. A little luck can go a long way.
In the arena it never felt like Marquette was going to win. When Marquette was up 1 with 2 chances to go up 4 around a minute to go and failed to cash in, you just knew things were going to go sideways. OT was a gift, the OT execution was horrible.
Oh well. We lost to a team that was very clearly better than us. Not so sure they will be better than us come March.
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Oh well. We lost to a team that was very clearly better than us.
Lol come on. Very clearly?
MU has its own issues to fix but that's just equine pie.
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When Marquette was up 1 with 2 chances to go up 4 around a minute to go
We lost to a team that was very clearly better than us.
Pick one
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Pick one
He’s the mopiest mope to ever mope.
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I'd be mad if the team spent a ton of time on those miracle situation in practice.
Define “a ton of time.” College basketball teams practice a lot - 10 hours a week or more during the season and even more before the season starts. They’ve been at it for about 2 months now. Plenty of time to get proficient at just about any situation.
And that wasn’t a “miracle situation,” IMHO. Several times a year you see teams from around the country get off make-able shots in those situations, with quite a few succeeding. It wasn’t like the Hauser miracle shot against Creighton a few years back.
I do agree that the poor end-of-game plays didn’t cost us the game. There were many other mess-ups, mostly by the players but by Shaka too.
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In the arena it never felt like Marquette was going to win. When Marquette was up 1 with 2 chances to go up 4 around a minute to go and failed to cash in, you just knew things were going to go sideways. OT was a gift, the OT execution was horrible.
Oh well. We lost to a team that was very clearly better than us. Not so sure they will be better than us come March.
You have consistently bizarre takes.
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You have consistently bizarre takes.
He’s still going with Georgia Tech by 3.
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Define “a ton of time.” College basketball teams practice a lot - 10 hours a week or more during the season and even more before the season starts. They’ve been at it for about 2 months now. Plenty of time to get proficient at just about any situation.
And that wasn’t a “miracle situation,” IMHO. Several times a year you see teams from around the country get off make-able shots in those situations, with quite a few succeeding. It wasn’t like the Hauser miracle shot against Creighton a few years back.
I do agree that the poor end-of-game plays didn’t cost us the game. There were many other mess-ups, mostly by the players but by Shaka too.
It was disappointing to see basically the same failed inbound play end the game. I'd much rather take my chances getting the ball in someone's hands and running up the court with 3.5 seconds than a 3/4 court heave.
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Pick one
Pick one what?
Marquette was up against a team that was clearly better than them. I was happy the game was that close, but the only reason it was is because Hepburn was out for 15 minutes in the 2nd half.
There is nothing to pick.
The result and the effort particularly in the 2nd half is all we could've asked for given the 1st half results.
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Pick one what?
Marquette was up against a team that was clearly better than them. I was happy the game was that close, but the only reason it was is because Hepburn was out for 15 minutes in the 2nd half.
There is nothing to pick.
The result and the effort particularly in the 2nd half is all we could've asked for given the 1st half results.
Ok
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Ok
But really though? Pick one what?
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Pick one what?
Marquette was up against a team that was clearly better than them. I was happy the game was that close, but the only reason it was is because Hepburn was out for 15 minutes in the 2nd half.
There is nothing to pick.
The result and the effort particularly in the 2nd half is all we could've asked for given the 1st half results.
Why do you think Wisconsin is “clearly better?”
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Why do you think Wisconsin is “clearly better?”
Because watching yesterday when they had their full roster available they just were clearly better.
They went on the road where everyone, including myself, thought they'd have to play their slow tempo and keep the game in the 60s to win. They played an efficient offense scoring 70s in regulation.
Marquette's guards are typically the strength of their team and UW's guards won that ballgame. They have the one up on experience and also have the better defense.
I think we are trending in the right direction but as of now on the 3rd and 4th of Decemeber, they are the better basketball team.
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Because watching yesterday when they had their full roster available they just were clearly better.
So are we the clearly better team over Baylor?
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So are we the clearly better team over Baylor?
At home? Quite possibly, yes we are better than Baylor. However, we lost to UW at home.
UW's offensive efficiency numbers are holding them back in KenPom early on but they've been solid the last few weeks. They'll likely be moving up quickly.
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I think Shaka’s response to the last plays is a little more nuanced. He quietly called out TK for making terrible passes but is taking the heat. That’s good coaching. We had plenty of chances to win before the last two inbounds plays. WI is frustrating, we fought hard after being absolutely punched in the face in half one.
Having S Jones in at the end is an interesting thought, it didn’t cross my mind as I liked going with the experienced guys, but I think it might have been a good thought if the play was to get it in quickly and push it up the court. I want to beat WI badly every year, but what a game to be at and the boys fought.
Sean and Ross should have been at the end.
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We were 11-9 last season. This season there are less freebie wins in the Big East.
What are you basing that on?
21-22 KP ranks as of December 4, 2022
6 Villanova
27 UConn
33 Seton Hall
35 Xavier
55 St. John's
62 Creighton
78 Marquette
87 Butler
103 Georgetown
108 DePaul
22-23 KP ranks as of December 4, 2022
4 UConn
15 Creighton
31 Xavier
38 Marquette
44 St. John's
52 Villanova
65 Seton Hall
74 Providence
86 Butler
93 DePaul
155 Georgetown
The 10th best non-MU team is much worse this season. The 9th is 10 spots better. The 8th is the same. The 7th is 12 spots worse. The 6th is 10 spots worse. The 5th is 18 spots worse. The 4th is 11 spots worse. The 3rd is about the same as last season. The top 2 are stronger.
More importantly, we are much better (38) than we were at the same time last season (78). The Big East is weaker this season than last season. If we finish with the same conference record as last season, I will be very disappointed.
Look I get it, you are trying to set up a win-win for yourself. Either MU makes the tourney or you get to tell everyone how correct you were. There's no need to catastrophize and make things up.
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At home? Quite possibly, yes we are better than Baylor. However, we lost to UW at home.
UW's offensive efficiency numbers are holding them back in KenPom early on but they've been solid the last few weeks. They'll likely be moving up quickly.
Have you considered that a one game playoff may not give you an accurate reading of who the better team is? Sometimes a team has a good game. Sometimes they have a bad game.
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Have you considered that a one game playoff may not give you an accurate reading of who the better team is? Sometimes a team has a good game. Sometimes they have a bad game.
For the most part, Marquette played a good game and still weren't able to win with the best player unavailable for almost a full half.
I'm not ruling out possibly being the better team by season's end or moving forward or whatever else, but as of now UW looked to clearly be the better team.
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For the most part, Marquette played a good game and still weren't able to win with the best player unavailable for almost a full half.
I'm not ruling out possibly being the better team by season's end or moving forward or whatever else, but as of now UW looked to clearly be the better team.
Marquette played a good half. They were terrible in the first half, especially defensively. And it wasn't just about Hepburn.
But at the end of the day, I don't know how you can say that a team that won a one possession game in OT is "clearly better."
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Marquette played a good half. They were terrible in the first half, especially defensively. And it wasn't just about Hepburn.
But at the end of the day, I don't know how you can say that a team that won a one possession game in OT is "clearly better."
Again...because their best player was out for a majority of the 2nd half and they still won.
It'd be like MU losing Kam for 15 minutes and still winning on the road.
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But really though? Pick one what?
You started by acknowledging that the matchup between the two teams was very close and then followed that up by saying one team was “very clearly better” than the other one. Just seemed like a contradiction to me.
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You started by acknowledging that the matchup between the two teams was very close and then followed that up by saying one team was “very clearly better” than the other one. Just seemed like a contradiction to me.
The game was close. Idk that the matchup was. But the game was close because their best player was out for nearly the whole 2nd half of action.
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Again...because their best player was out for a majority of the 2nd half and they still won.
It'd be like MU losing Kam for 15 minutes and still winning on the road.
I'm including that in my statement. It's not like Hepburn (or Kam) is Michael Jordan or anything. There are other players on the roster who can step up for 15 minutes.
If these two teams play 10 times, Marquette goes anywhere from 4-6 to 6-4. That's not "clearly better."
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I'm including that in my statement. It's not like Hepburn (or Kam) is Michael Jordan or anything. There are other players on the roster who can step up for 15 minutes.
If these two teams play 10 times, Marquette goes anywhere from 4-6 to 6-4. That's not "clearly better."
If they play 10 times throughout the season, maybe.
If they play 10 times at this point in the season, I'm not so certain.
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The game was close. Idk that the matchup was. But the game was close because their best player was out for nearly the whole 2nd half of action.
Yeah, that’s why I just said “ok” and dropped it when you started bringing in hypotheticals about what possibly may have happened if Hepburn didn’t get hurt.
For all we know, Shaka drew up the perfect plan to stop him in the second half and it threw MU completely off which allowed Essegian to get hot and score 12 quick points in his absence.
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The game was close. Idk that the matchup was. But the game was close because their best player was out for nearly the whole 2nd half of action.
Or was the game close because they hit multiple 35 foot fade aways with a hand in their face? Because those were not good shots.
Again, you are putting a lot of weight on one head to head matchup. Sometimes the worse team wins. That's the beauty of a one game playoff.
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Sean and Ross should have been at the end.
They were at the end.....
of the bench closest to the coaches.
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The game was close. Idk that the matchup was. But the game was close because their best player was out for nearly the whole 2nd half of action.
Yes and no, finally stopped over doubling the post, made them put it on the floor to drive or pass inside and they were not good at that.....when he came back he wasn't as huge an issue as in first half because the new D was closing out better on 3's
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I hope Marquette has already accepted our NCAAT bid and top-3 seed, because we're "clearly better" than Baylor!
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I hope Marquette has already accepted our NCAAT bid and top-3 seed, because we're "clearly better" than Baylor!
*At home*
I don't think Marquette is a tournament team, especially in this league.
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*At home*
I don't think Marquette is a tournament team, especially in this league.
OK, we're clearly 26 points better than Baylor *At home*
A game of which one expert said: "A win isn't even in the realm of possibilites" ... less than a week after saying, "Georgia Tech by 3."
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OK, we're clearly 26 points better than Baylor *At home*
A game of which one expert said: "A win isn't even in the realm of possibilites" ... less than a week after saying, "Georgia Tech by 3."
Correct. Marquette is better than I anticipated and Georgia Tech is significantly worse than anticipated.
UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
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Correct. Marquette is better than I anticipated and Georgia Tech is significantly worse than anticipated.
UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
Is Uw better than Gonzaga
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Correct. Marquette is better than I anticipated and Georgia Tech is significantly worse than anticipated.
UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
That's really not how this works.
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That's really not how this works.
And to be fair, I'm happy with where this team is at.
I dont think it is fair to expect an NCAA Tournament berth from this team because you are just setting yourself up to be disappointed. A lot would have to go right for this team to make it to March. Health, production, finding ways to win, etc.
At the same time I also get that this program should have high expectations.
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Yes and no, finally stopped over doubling the post, made them put it on the floor to drive or pass inside and they were not good at that.....when he came back he wasn't as huge an issue as in first half because the new D was closing out better on 3's
Come on. He wasn’t as good in the 2nd half because he was clearly injured, not because we did anything differently.
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UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
JTFC, this guy has some takes.
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Correct. Marquette is better than I anticipated and Georgia Tech is significantly worse than anticipated.
UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
LOL
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Come on. He wasn’t as good in the 2nd half because he was clearly injured, not because we did anything differently.
Well he looked like he was moving around ok. If he was so injured it was a terrible decision by the rodent staff. We totally changed the D. We made them put the ball on the floor as much as possible and they were bad at it.
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Correct. Marquette is better than I anticipated and Georgia Tech is significantly worse than anticipated.
UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
Are they better than Purdue?
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Are they better than Purdue?
No, but I imagine they'll finish just beneath them in the B1G standings.
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JTFC, this guy has some takes.
It’s the spray and pray technique. Wrong almost all of the time but he’s a genius when he hits. Should’ve heard him talk about how he almost but not really predicted the correct final score of a game.
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It’s the spray and pray technique. Wrong almost all of the time but he’s a genius when he hits. Should’ve heard him talk about how he almost but not really predicted the correct final score of a game.
Not a genius at all. Seen enough college basketball to know that UW has a better team right now than Marquette.
They have the win (most importantly), the experience, the additional tournament success, and the roster. We could get there, but aren't there right now. That's absolutely a reasonable take. Not sure what the issue is with it.
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It’s the spray and pray technique. Wrong almost all of the time but he’s a genius when he hits. Should’ve heard him talk about how he almost but not really predicted the correct final score of a game.
He’s like the guy that touts a market crash every year, then advertises that he nailed it in 1987 or 2008. Phony.
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Not a genius at all.
Some things are better left unsaid.
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He seems to be a big fan of the transitive property of basketball.
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He seems to be a big fan of the transitive property of basketball.
And the Badgers.
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And the Badgers.
😂 ok.
Just because I can admit that they are good doesn't mean I like them. I despise them just like the rest of you.
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Both MU & UW will make the tournament this year. They're good teams. MU has a higher ceiling, and UW has the style and discipline to play anyone close.
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Correct. Marquette is better than I anticipated and Georgia Tech is significantly worse than anticipated.
UW is a better basketball team than Baylor and Marquette right now.
Are you seriously using the transitive property now?
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Are you seriously using the transitive property now?
Moreso the eye test.
Wisconsin looks like the best of the 3 at this moment in time.
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Not a genius at all. Seen enough college basketball to know that UW has a better team right now than Marquette.
They have the win (most importantly), the experience, the additional tournament success, and the roster. We could get there, but aren't there right now. That's absolutely a reasonable take. Not sure what the issue is with it.
Early in the season, you gleefully re-posted your preseason predictions to remind everyone that you had the courage and deep basketball knowledge to predict a few wins over cupcakes and a road loss to a very good Purdue team.
You’re a classic “I Told You So” poser … who predictably didn’t re-post your picks after missing on Georgia Tech and Baylor by literally dozens of points each.
Those were the two worst MU hoops predictions on Scoop so far this season, made less than a week apart. Congrats!
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Early in the season, you gleefully re-posted your preseason predictions to remind everyone that you had the courage and deep basketball knowledge to predict a few wins over cupcakes and a road loss to a very good Purdue team.
You’re a classic “I Told You So” poser … who predictably didn’t re-post your picks after missing on Georgia Tech and Baylor by literally dozens of points each.
Those were the two worst MU hoops predictions on Scoop so far this season, made less than a week apart. Congrats!
Lmaooooo.
You are quite far off.
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Or was the game close because they hit multiple 35 foot fade aways with a hand in their face? Because those were not good shots.
Again, you are putting a lot of weight on one head to head matchup. Sometimes the worse team wins. That's the beauty of a one game playoff.
Yet they made those shots and there were some wide open shots they were making as well. It was our defense in the first half that lost us that game. Well, I'm not so sure UW is the worse team. You know the stats better than I do and UW may be worse statistically than MU, but the only stat that counts is how many points you have when the clock runs out. Like you said we could play them 10 times and we would probably split the 10 games; maybe MU could even win 6, I don't know. We came up short in 3 really competitive games that at least for me were fun to watch. Hopefully we will start winning those close ones.
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Yet they made those shots and there were some wide open shots they were making as well. It was our defense in the first half that lost us that game. Well, I'm not so sure UW is the worse team. You know the stats better than I do and UW may be worse statistically than MU, but the only stat that counts is how many points you have when the clock runs out. Like you said we could play them 10 times and we would probably split the 10 games; maybe MU could even win 6, I don't know. We came up short in 3 really competitive games that at least for me were fun to watch. Hopefully we will start winning those close ones.
So if Jop's 70 foot heave goes in, that completely changes your outlook on the game?
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Moreso the eye test.
Wisconsin looks like the best of the 3 at this moment in time.
Is Marquette better than UWGB?
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You are quite far off.
OK ...
Re-posted preseason predictions early in the season to show how smart you were - check.
Never re-posted preseason predictions after you were frightfully wrong about Baylor - check.
Actually picked Ga Tech preseason but changed your mind and said they'd win by 3, but they then lost by 24 (aka literally dozens of points) - check.
Picked Baylor preseason and then said it was out of the realm of possibility for Marquette to win the game, but Baylor then lost by 26 (aka literally dozens of points) - check.
In subsequent posts, you said "Baylor is a loss, Georgia Tech ... coinflip," and yet Marquette won those games by a combined 50 (aka literally more than 4 dozen points). The two worse game predictions on Scoop this season - check.
What was I "quite far off" about?
Look, it's OK to have ridiculous takes. Almost every Scooper has them every now and then. But at least own 'em, Mr. GT By 3.
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OK ...
Re-posted preseason predictions early in the season to show how smart you were - check.
Never re-posted preseason predictions after you were frightfully wrong about Baylor - check.
Actually picked Ga Tech preseason but changed your mind and said they'd win by 3, but they then lost by 24 (aka literally dozens of points) - check.
Picked Baylor preseason and then said it was out of the realm of possibility for Marquette to win the game, but Baylor then lost by 26 (aka literally dozens of points) - check.
In subsequent posts, you said "Baylor is a loss, Georgia Tech ... coinflip," and yet Marquette won those games by a combined 50 (aka literally more than 4 dozen points). The two worse game predictions on Scoop this season - check.
What was I "quite far off" about?
Look, it's OK to have ridiculous takes. Almost every Scooper has them every now and then. But at least own 'em, Mr. GT By 3.
I have. I said multiple times that I was off and Marquette is a much better team than I originally anticipated. Along with that I am happy with where the team is at and are ahead of schedule development-wise even if I still don't believe they are quite a tournament team.
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I have. I said multiple times that I was off and Marquette is a much better team than I originally anticipated. Along with that I am happy with where the team is at and are ahead of schedule development-wise even if I still don't believe they are quite a tournament team.
Thanks. Glad I wasn't actually "quite far off" and that you've had some really ridiculous takes this season, including the two worst game predictions on Scoop. Have a good one!
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Per PaintTouches
"Playing around with TeamCast on Torvik, it will take at least 12 Big East wins to get #mubb into the dance if they lose at ND.
A win in South Bend and 11 wins puts MU in as a 9 seed.
For reference, #mubb has only won 12 Big East games once since the Reformation, in 2019."
Gotta label it a must-win on Sunday.
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Per PaintTouches
"Playing around with TeamCast on Torvik, it will take at least 12 Big East wins to get #mubb into the dance if they lose at ND.
A win in South Bend and 11 wins puts MU in as a 9 seed.
For reference, #mubb has only won 12 Big East games once since the Reformation, in 2019."
Gotta label it a must-win on Sunday.
According to what you quoted, it is by definition, not a must win. It is a must win if we don't want to have to win 12+ games in conference. This team is capable of winning 12 games in this version of the Big East.
The last line of the tweet is flawed. It doesn't take into account that for the majority of that span there were only 18 Big East games a year, now there are 20. It also doesn't take into account that Wojo was our coach for all but two of those seasons.
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The last line of the tweet is flawed. It doesn't take into account that for the majority of that span there were only 18 Big East games a year, now there are 20. It also doesn't take into account that Wojo was our coach for all but two of those seasons.
Very fair point. And going 11-7 in the old days actually represents a higher win % than 12-8 this year.
What’s crazy to me is I don’t think we have EVER played 20 regular season BEast games.
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According to what you quoted, it is by definition, not a must win. It is a must win if we don't want to have to win 12+ games in conference. This team is capable of winning 12 games in this version of the Big East.
The last line of the tweet is flawed. It doesn't take into account that for the majority of that span there were only 18 Big East games a year, now there are 20. It also doesn't take into account that Wojo was our coach for all but two of those seasons.
Maybe so, but last year they finished 11-9 with a 1st team All Big East player, and are down 3 starters from that team. In addition to that Darryl was their 2nd leading scorer and best defender and Kur provided depth up front. Could they finish better than 11-9? Sure I guess so, but the Big East is a grind and with almost no depth upfront at least to this point it can wear on a team. Definitely going to need a healthy Wrightsil just to be a body that can give Oso rest.
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Moreso the eye test.
Wisconsin looks like the best of the 3 at this moment in time.
How so? MU is UW's best win. Their Stanford and Dayton wins on a neutral court are looking worse and worse as the year goes on. Both will have to win their tournament to get a NCAA bid.
USC is meh and Kansas is very overrated...
This is not that good of a UW team. They will win games because they drag teams into the mud and record will look OK because they only play the top B10 teams once this year.
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Maybe so, but last year they finished 11-9 with a 1st team All Big East player, and are down 3 starters from that team.
Nope. 11-8 in BEast reg season
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Maybe so, but last year they finished 11-9 with a 1st team All Big East player, and are down 3 starters from that team. In addition to that Darryl was their 2nd leading scorer and best defender and Kur provided depth up front. Could they finish better than 11-9? Sure I guess so, but the Big East is a grind and with almost no depth upfront at least to this point it can wear on a team. Definitely going to need a healthy Wrightsil just to be a body that can give Oso rest.
You again fail to account for the improvement of several of our players, or the contributions of our freshmen, and you also fail to account for other BEast teams seemingly not being as good as they were last season.
We do need someone to spell Oso, whether it is Wrightsil or a more-developed Gold or O-Max in some small-ball formations.
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Nope. 11-8 in BEast reg season
Ahh I forgot about that St. John's cancellation.
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We probably lose 6 of 10 to Baylor. We got one of the 4. We probably beat RED 6 of 10, maybe 7. They got one of the 4. MU is a tourney team. Keep the band together, NEXT season is where things start to look quite nice with improvements and reinforcements.