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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on January 15, 2018, 12:11:35 PM
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Let's take this out of the recruiting thread. He was a top 100 recruit. Long and skinny then. Dodds compared his game to Reggie Miller. Now it is two years later. What is a realistic expectation for someone coming back from their Mormon mission. Has anyone really paid enough attention to BYU to be able to tell us how their guys perform INITIALLY after they get back?
Long term, I would love to see him be a Keelan Martin type. 6'7, 220, man's body, can shoot from distance as well as take smaller guys down low. The equivalent of a third Hauser would be great, too. Long, versatile.
Short term, I fear he will be odd-man out next year. Morrow, Hauser, Hauser, Cain, 4 bigs..... where are the minutes up front? Is he quick enough to be a SG at the college level?
Where does he fit?
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Not sure about basketball, but BYU?s men?s volleyball team has players who return from missions every year and are immediate contributors. Not sure how that will translate to basketball players.
I don?t think he?ll ever have the build Martin has. He?s thin/wiry and his dad was always a lean guy. Martin is a big boy.
I think he?ll be a 3 that can play some 2 if needed and some 4 if needed.
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If only Matt Mortensen would have went on his mission, we would have some experience here.
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Given what will be on the roster (assuming no one leaves) I would assume Brendan to be the recipient of the dwindling minutes award next season. By the time conference play roles around I don't think he'll see the court as much because we'll be maxing minutes for Sam, Markus, Elliot, Cain, Murrow, Froling, and New Hauser. I think 2019 is his year when Greg moves 100% to the 1(cause Markus leaves a year early, don't @ me) which frees up space at the 3.
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Looking at their current roster
TJ Haws -- LDS mission prior to enrollment. Played 76% of Min with an ORtg of 105.3 (107 in conference) Freshman year
Zac Seljaas - Played 2016, Mission 2017, Playing 2018 -- Increase in Min (48% - 56%), Decrease in ORtg (131 vs 113)
Luke Worthington - Played 2014, 2016 -- Mission 2016, 2017 -- Playing 2018 -- Increase in min (28% - 38%), Increase in ORtg (97 - 106)
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If only Matt Mortensen would have went on his mission, we would have some experience here.
This belongs in the Jake Arrieta thread.
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Watching his highlights (from the link below) it looks like he's going to be a 2/3 kind of guy. If we go big, he's probably not seeing a lot of time, but if we go small, he could be a nice guy to have on the floor. His game seems to be very perimeter-heavy, although there are a few clips that show off some post moves and a few cases where he actually puts the ball on the floor. He doesn't seem to be too athletic - there are even some wide open looks at the hoops where he still lays it in because he can't quite get up high enough to dunk, despite being 6-8 - but his length will bother 2's and 3's, so he may be OK defensively.
Stan said that Bailey has gained weight, which is great. Hopefully some time spent with Todd Smith will help to build on that even further. But given his build and skillset, I think Bailey is going to have a tough time getting minutes because he'll be playing behind Sam, Sacar, Jamal, Greg, and Joey. We're deep enough at the 4/5 that he probably won't be rotating in much down low either. All in all, he seems like a good prospect, but the roster makeup for next year doesn't bode well for him and his game.
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Brendan-Bailey-is-Marquettes-recruit-on-a-Mormon-Mission-105778530 (https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Article/Brendan-Bailey-is-Marquettes-recruit-on-a-Mormon-Mission-105778530)
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This belongs in the Jake Arrieta thread.
I see what you did there. And I like it.
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Bailey has the biggest upside of any recruit in the Wojo era. He is a great shooter, court vision, genetics , and now has two years of maturity. He is going to be done with Mission in March so he will have a full 6 months to get in game shape.
Brendan is an elite level shooter who is going to come in taller and bigger than when we recruited him. I project him as an exciting player at the 2/3. He is going to create significant match up problems against most opponents.
He is a perfect fit for out team .
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Brendan is an elite level shooter
Really difficult to make this claim given his hiatus and the fact that he has played exactly 0 minutes in the NCAA.
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This belongs in the Jake Arrieta thread.
Just mentioning Jake Arrieta will turn this into a Jake Arrieta thread once wades gets in here.
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He is a perfect fit for out team .
Assuming he's still the same player he was 2 years ago, talent-wise, and that he's bulked up a bit, who loses minutes due to his arrival? We're going to have 4-6 guys that seem to be solid wing players - Sam, Jamal, Joey, Bailey, and maybe Greg and Sacar. Where do the minutes come from for all these guys to get time? I can't imagine a top prospect like Joey getting fewer than 20 minutes a game by the time we hit conference play. Sam's minutes may not be as high as this year, but he's still got to be in the high 20's, maybe even as high as 30. That doesn't leave much left for the remaining 2 or 3 guys. Maybe GE and Sacar end up only in guard roles and not out at the wing, but then there's still an issue for Jamal and Bailey getting PT.
I'm sure this will be talked to death come April, but with next year's (assumed) depth, there will be a constant fight for minutes. Hopefully Wojo will be able to consistently run some smaller lineups to give Jamal and Bailey some valuable time, but I won't be surprised if they both end up seeing limited minutes.
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Bailey has the biggest upside of any recruit in the Wojo era. He is a great shooter, court vision, genetics , and now has two years of maturity. He is going to be done with Mission in March so he will have a full 6 months to get in game shape.
Brendan is an elite level shooter who is going to come in taller and bigger than when we recruited him. I project him as an exciting player at the 2/3. He is going to create significant match up problems against most opponents.
He is a perfect fit for out team .
Really? Any recruit? What about Joey Hauser? Henry Ellenson? Quentin Grimes? Markus Howard? Amir Coffey? Etc. Etc.
You can like a player without the outrageous over-exaggeration.
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Bailey has the biggest upside of any recruit in the Wojo era. He is a great shooter, court vision, genetics , and now has two years of maturity. He is going to be done with Mission in March so he will have a full 6 months to get in game shape.
Brendan is an elite level shooter who is going to come in taller and bigger than when we recruited him. I project him as an exciting player at the 2/3. He is going to create significant match up problems against most opponents.
He is a perfect fit for out team .
Thanks Herm. You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Lets all just take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The one candidate on our team that will likely play the least minutes next year is a consensus top 100 (top 75 in some services) recruit. That felt really good to type.
Also, I'd like to add that I think he will surprise a lot of people here. The coaches clearly love the kid and think he is a fantastic player. Being the son of a former NBA player can't hurt..
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Really? Any recruit? What about Joey Hauser? Henry Ellenson? Quentin Grimes? Markus Howard? Amir Coffey? Etc. Etc.
You can like a player without the outrageous over-exaggeration.
Could be that he meant recruits that Wojo hauled in. Which, to your point, still matches him up against Hank, Markus and the Hausers. But hard to argue against the fact that Bailey has the best mix of raw athleticism, size and intangibles working in his favor. We should not be surprised if he is very, very under the radar and explodes on the scene. Does that mean he will? Of course not - a lot of factors there. But the talent is definitely there.
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Just mentioning Jake Arrieta will turn this into a Jake Arrieta thread once wades gets in here.
Wades has already been here.
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Could be that he meant recruits that Wojo hauled in. Which, to your point, still matches him up against Hank, Markus and the Hausers. But hard to argue against the fact that Bailey has the best mix of raw athleticism, size and intangibles working in his favor. We should not be surprised if he is very, very under the radar and explodes on the scene. Does that mean he will? Of course not - a lot of factors there. But the talent is definitely there.
Bailey doesn't strike me as an athlete. He seems like a role-playing shooter. His physical size is great, especially if he fills out a little bit, so hopefully the fact that his mission ends in March will give him some more time to hit the weight room. Even then, I think Bailey ends up playing a similar style to Novak - shoots the ball well but struggles to create his own shot.
I assume most coaches were aware of his talent but elected to go with players that didn't come with the 2 year waiting period. Wojo took a gamble that others weren't willing to take. We'll just have to wait a little while to see if that will pay off.
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Bailey doesn't strike me as an athlete. He seems like a role-playing shooter. His physical size is great, especially if he fills out a little bit, so hopefully the fact that his mission ends in March will give him some more time to hit the weight room. Even then, I think Bailey ends up playing a similar style to Novak - shoots the ball well but struggles to create his own shot.
I assume most coaches were aware of his talent but elected to go with players that didn't come with the 2 year waiting period. Wojo took a gamble that others weren't willing to take. We'll just have to wait a little while to see if that will pay off.
I think other teams didn?t get overly involved because he committed to ASU early and then committed to MU due to his relationship with Stan from his recruiting Brendan to ASU, not being ?unwilling to take a risk.?
There was really no risk involved whatsoever. We didn?t tie up a scholarship while Bailey was on a mission.
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Let's take this out of the recruiting thread. He was a top 100 recruit. Long and skinny then. Dodds compared his game to Reggie Miller. Now it is two years later. What is a realistic expectation for someone coming back from their Mormon mission. Has anyone really paid enough attention to BYU to be able to tell us how their guys perform INITIALLY after they get back?
Long term, I would love to see him be a Keelan Martin type. 6'7, 220, man's body, can shoot from distance as well as take smaller guys down low. The equivalent of a third Hauser would be great, too. Long, versatile.
Short term, I fear he will be odd-man out next year. Morrow, Hauser, Hauser, Cain, 4 bigs..... where are the minutes up front? Is he quick enough to be a SG at the college level?
Where does he fit?
He was 6'8" two years ago. Hope to God he hasn't shrunk. Would like to believe he has added twenty pounds and grown to 6'9".
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The only thing you are risking is the time it takes to recruit someone who can't help you for a couple of years. But since Stan knew him ahead of time, it really wasn't much time.
And I don't know why people have him slated not to play much. I mean, a 6'8', 220 lb shooter? As much as we talk about Joey, and for good reason, this guy could end up ahead of him and Jamal in the rotation.
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Will be here for first session of summer school. Some discussion about training in AZ with a certain brother.
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Will be here for first session of summer school. Some discussion about training in AZ with a certain brother.
Thanks, now could possibly please go to recruiting thread and confirm MU staff still looking for a PG, either grad or high school and that is the #1 priority?
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Will be here for first session of summer school. Some discussion about training in AZ with a certain brother.
Is there a younger brother? If so, how old/is he a potential high major prospect?
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Is there a younger brother? If so, how old/is he a potential high major prospect?
Markus?s brother is a trainer.
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Thanks, now could possibly please go to recruiting thread and confirm MU staff still looking for a PG, either grad or high school and that is the #1 priority?
Do I have to? If folks did not believe it the first time why a second time.
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Markus?s brother is a trainer.
I heard that too...:)
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Markus?s brother is a trainer.
Ahh got it. Thank you.
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Bailey doesn't strike me as an athlete. He seems like a role-playing shooter. His physical size is great, especially if he fills out a little bit, so hopefully the fact that his mission ends in March will give him some more time to hit the weight room. Even then, I think Bailey ends up playing a similar style to Novak - shoots the ball well but struggles to create his own shot.
I assume most coaches were aware of his talent but elected to go with players that didn't come with the 2 year waiting period. Wojo took a gamble that others weren't willing to take. We'll just have to wait a little while to see if that will pay off.
You do realize that his final 3 schools were MU, Michigan and Gonzaga right?
It's not like we beat out Grand Canyon and Washington State for him.
If Few and Beilein were willing to wait 2 years I think that is a good indication that he is a talented guy.
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I think other teams didn?t get overly involved because he committed to ASU early and then committed to MU due to his relationship with Stan from his recruiting Brendan to ASU, not being ?unwilling to take a risk.?
There was really no risk involved whatsoever. We didn?t tie up a scholarship while Bailey was on a mission.
You don't see any risk involved in a situation where a guy stops training and competing for 2 years? No chance for regression there?
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You do realize that his final 3 schools were MU, Michigan and Gonzaga right?
It's not like we beat out Grand Canyon and Washington State for him.
If Few and Beilein were willing to wait 2 years I think that is a good indication that he is a talented guy.
Agreed. Bailey is severely underrated around here. While we don't know what effect the mission will have had on his game, I could easily see him coming in and earning solid freshman minutes.
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You don't see any risk involved in a situation where a guy stops training and competing for 2 years? No chance for regression there?
He's 19 years old. It's not like we're dealing with a 34-year-old who is coming out of retirement. It might take him a few months to get back into game shape, but he'll be fine.
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I've watched 6-8 games of Bailey's online and he has a good outside shot, but he was far from a knock down three point shooter. To compare his game to Reggie Miller is a joke. Wonder who else was in that blender.
Looking at his numbers, he was about a 31% shooter from three over his high school career, with about 40% of his attempts coming beyond the line. Shooting is generally a skillset that can be improved with work, so he could work himself into a threat from deep some day.
Real good mid-range game. Not a great finisher at the rim, but then again he was built like Reggie Miller. Solid from 15'-18' and was able to create shots for himself.
About a 78% FT shooter. I'd guess his natural position is a 3, probably versatile enough to play the 2, but IMO he needed work on his ballhandling to do so.
The potential is there to become a high level scorer.
there are quite a few American Fork games online. Go Cavemen!
2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF0I-8ql0kg
2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHssofIBjs
2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfDbJeg50is
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Wojo and Stan are happy
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/952726619436863488
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/952759715360108544I
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I've watched 6-8 games of Bailey's online and he has a good outside shot, but he was far from a knock down three point shooter. To compare his game to Reggie Miller is a joke. Wonder who else was in that blender.
Looking at his numbers, he was about a 31% shooter from three over his high school career, with about 40% of his attempts coming beyond the line. Shooting is generally a skillset that can be improved with work, so he could work himself into a threat from deep some day.
Real good mid-range game. Not a great finisher at the rim, but then again he was built like Reggie Miller. Solid from 15'-18' and was able to create shots for himself.
About a 78% FT shooter. I'd guess his natural position is a 3, probably versatile enough to play the 2, but IMO he needed work on his ballhandling to do so.
The potential is there to become a high level scorer.
there are quite a few American Fork games online. Go Cavemen!
2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF0I-8ql0kg
2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKHssofIBjs
2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfDbJeg50is
Thank you sir!
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I really wanna see a Markus/Cain/Bailey/Hauser/Hauser lineup at some point next year
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I really wanna see a Markus/Cain/Bailey/Hauser/Hauser lineup at some point next year
Lots of firepower there, but I'd be worried about Markus at the 1 for too long. Not so sure either Hauser will be in our top 3 options down low either. It could be a fun lineup for a short stretch, though, in the right scenario.
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Wojo and Stan are happy
https://twitter.com/steve_wojo/status/952726619436863488
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/952759715360108544I
https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/952759715360108544
FIFY
(You had an extra I in the link)
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He was 6'8" two years ago. Hope to God he hasn't shrunk. Would like to believe he has added twenty pounds and grown to 6'9".
His father is Thurl Bailey, of the Jimmy V 1983 Natty (NC state) and 16 years in the NBA (mainly with the Utah Jazz). He was 6'11". Isn't the son supposed to be the same size as the dad if not larger?
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His father is Thurl Bailey, of the Jimmy V 1983 Natty (NC state) and 16 years in the NBA (mainly with the Utah Jazz). He was 6'11". Isn't the son supposed to be the same size as the dad if not larger?
General rule of thumb formula for any child: (Mom's height in inches + dad's height inches)/2 = X
If child is male -> X+5
If child is female -> X-5
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General rule of thumb formula for any child: (Mom's height in inches + dad's height inches)/2 = X
If child is male -> X+5
If child is female -> X-5
Interesting ... any idea how tall his mom is?
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Interesting ... any idea how tall his mom is?
6-2
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General rule of thumb formula for any child: (Mom's height in inches + dad's height inches)/2 = X
If child is male -> X+5
If child is female -> X-5
Please explain why my brother is 5 inches taller than me.
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Please explain why my brother is 5 inches taller than me.
Maybe his father played in the NBA
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
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https://twitter.com/mucoachjohnson/status/952759715360108544
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(You had an extra I in the link)
Thanks, strange I used the share copy link
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
Very well played. ;D
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Given what will be on the roster (assuming no one leaves) I would assume Brendan to be the recipient of the dwindling minutes award next season.
"Assuming no one leaves" is the key part of the equation. History suggests someone will leave. In just the past 3 seasons, we've had 5 players transfer out: Haanif Cheatham, Traci Carter, Duane Wilson, Sandy Cohen and Wally Ellenson.
If everyone stays, depth at every position pays off. Wojo can keep starters fresh with a 10+ player rotation. And the season won't be in jeopardy in case of injury.
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I really wanna see a Markus/Cain/Bailey/Hauser/Hauser lineup at some point next year
Cant forget we got Morrow next year too, hes gonna be a beast
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Wades has already been here.
Not after the Jake mention, der.
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His father is Thurl Bailey, of the Jimmy V 1983 Natty (NC state) and 16 years in the NBA (mainly with the Utah Jazz). He was 6'11". Isn't the son supposed to be the same size as the dad if not larger?
If the dad is taller than average, then the son will likely be shorter than the father. If the dad is shorter than average, then the son will likely be taller than the father.
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
Just awesome.
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
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Lets all just take a step back and look at the bigger picture. The one candidate on our team that will likely play the least minutes next year is a consensus top 100 (top 75 in some services) recruit. That felt really good to type.
Also, I'd like to add that I think he will surprise a lot of people here. The coaches clearly love the kid and think he is a fantastic player. Being the son of a former NBA player can't hurt..
I think player with least minutes will be Ike
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Maybe his father played in the NBA
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General rule of thumb formula for any child: (Mom's height in inches + dad's height inches)/2 = X
If child is male -> X+5
If child is female -> X-5
I'd like to know then why I'm 6'4", my little brother is 6"8" while my mom is 6' and my dad is 5'11". Only other tall person in either family was my mom's brother who was 6'2".
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"Assuming no one leaves" is the key part of the equation. History suggests someone will leave. In just the past 3 seasons, we've had 5 players transfer out: Haanif Cheatham, Traci Carter, Duane Wilson, Sandy Cohen and Wally Ellenson.
If everyone stays, depth at every position pays off. Wojo can keep starters fresh with a 10+ player rotation. And the season won't be in jeopardy in case of injury.
I'm not saying no one leaves, but this off season is likely different than other off seasons. The previous seasons were about Wojo recruiting overplayers and trying to improve the talent year after year. This year's teams have a lot of contributors that seem likely to contribute at the same or higher levels next season meaning they are less likely to leave. Gun to my head there are one or two names that might fit the profile of someone looking to transfer but I've never had a higher confidence level in my time being an MU fan that the roster will not have any shake ups between this year and next.
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I'm not saying no one leaves, but this off season is likely different than other off seasons. The previous seasons were about Wojo recruiting overplayers and trying to improve the talent year after year. This year's teams have a lot of contributors that seem likely to contribute at the same or higher levels next season meaning they are less likely to leave. Gun to my head there are one or two names that might fit the profile of someone looking to transfer but I've never had a higher confidence level in my time being an MU fan that the roster will not have any shake ups between this year and next.
I honestly don't think anyone on the roster is a true transfer candidate. The one's that if you squinted make a little sense, don't make any sense when you realize they've already burned red shirt years. Never say never, but I think everyone returns.
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If someone transfers, it will be among the role players that are currently on this team and it will be at semester. I think there's a strong chance that as Wojo settles on his rotation for next year, someone who was a contributor this year feels jilted and looks for greener pastures.
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If someone transfers, it will be among the role players that are currently on this team and it will be at semester. I think there's a strong chance that as Wojo settles on his rotation for next year, someone who was a contributor this year feels jilted and looks for greener pastures.
That I could see. Was referring to transfers after this season and before next.
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There will be transfers. Nature of college basketball.
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I'd like to know then why I'm 6'4", my little brother is 6"8" while my mom is 6' and my dad is 5'11". Only other tall person in either family was my mom's brother who was 6'2".
Sounds like your mom has some explaining to do.
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Regarding transfers... that's life. The coach has to work hard to recruit the best talent and let them fight it out for playing time. The best play, the others can learn and get better or leave.
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Sounds like your mom has some explaining to do.
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My dad always jokes that he'd like to think that we had really tall mailmen in Florida and California but unfortunately he has to claim us because except for height we look exactly the same.
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It's a crapshoot (height, not Bailey).
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If someone transfers, it will be among the role players that are currently on this team and it will be at semester. I think there's a strong chance that as Wojo settles on his rotation for next year, someone who was a contributor this year feels jilted and looks for greener pastures.
Markus, poor defender, will be gone.
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You don't see any risk involved in a situation where a guy stops training and competing for 2 years? No chance for regression there?
I've got a new avatar suggestion for ya.
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I'd like to know then why I'm 6'4", my little brother is 6"8" while my mom is 6' and my dad is 5'11". Only other tall person in either family was my mom's brother who was 6'2".
There's this thing called a probabily distribution......
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Please explain why my brother is 5 inches taller than me.
Y'all had a tall mailman back in da dey, hey?
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I know this is an old thread but there was so much promise in this kid. I was hoping he would play more this year. When he signed he was rated the same as Sam Hauser. Really could use another outside shooter.
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Still is promise there. Just needs to get used to the speed of the game.
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I know this is an old thread but there was so much promise in this kid. I was hoping he would play more this year. When he signed he was rated the same as Sam Hauser. Really could use another outside shooter.
It does seem like he was the latest practice superstar. There was a reason that he started the season in the starting lineup. I wouldn't sell your Bailey stock quite yet. I think he will be one of those players whose numbers take a massive jump from one year to the next.
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It does seem like he was the latest practice superstar. There was a reason that he started the season in the starting lineup. I wouldn't sell your Bailey stock quite yet. I think he will be one of those players whose numbers take a massive jump from one year to the next.
He does have 3 years left after this season which is a bit of time to improve. It definitely is a weird case though that he can be 21 and labeled a freshman because of his mission work fro 2 years.
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Two years off. The Hausers in front of him. Calculus isn't that difficult. Just like when (if) Eke comes back, it would be folly to expect instant magic.
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Looks like "rust" is going to beat out "instant impact player" in the Scoop meme showdown.
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Two years off. The Hausers in front of him. Calculus isn't that difficult. Just like when (if) Eke comes back, it would be folly to expect instant magic.
I honestly forgot that Eke was still on the team.
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I honestly forgot that Eke was still on the team.
I have a feeling Eke is either a walk-on next year, or completely off the team. Seems like a great kid, and I feel bad for him. But you can't hold a scholarship for a guy that isn't healthy enough to play.
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I have a feeling Eke is either a walk-on next year, or completely off the team. Seems like a great kid, and I feel bad for him. But you can't hold a scholarship for a guy that isn't healthy enough to play.
He won't be a walk-on. If he's on the team he'll have a scholarship, they aren't making him pay.
If he gives up basketball they'll get him some other scholarship so he can finish out his degree here. Not hopeful he will ever suit up at this point.
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He’s got a little ways to go that’s for sure. If he or Cain can turn the corner this season it could be huge come tourney time
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My prediction is that he is the player on this team that will get the most playing time in the NBA.
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He won't be a walk-on. If he's on the team he'll have a scholarship, they aren't making him pay.
If he gives up basketball they'll get him some other scholarship so he can finish out his degree here. Not hopeful he will ever suit up at this point.
Can a former player stay on as a manager if ruled physically unable to compete?
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Bailey has shown moments of promise especially with blocked shots. He also played against some quality teams. I am confident when he gets another extended opportunity he will make the most of it. There will be a team out there he matches up well against and he will find a niche. If nothing else he will always be remembered for making the first regular season basket at the FF.
I have been following Creighton and how they have worked their freshman Forward Christian Bishop into their line up. They started off slow with him , and now they are giving him some minutes in selected situations and he has done well. That kid looks like he will be a very effective player for them in coming years.
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He does have 3 years left after this season which is a bit of time to improve. It definitely is a weird case though that he can be 21 and labeled a freshman because of his mission work fro 2 years.
Brendan has at least 15 games this season to improve. It's his first season competing at the Division I level; he's bound to have ups and downs. Between him and Jamal, I expect one of them to emerge as a more consistent contributor over the next month or so.
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My prediction is that he is the player on this team that will get the most playing time in the NBA.
Hmmmm... Markus is younger than Brendan by 1.3 years and is a probable 1st team AA this year. The only thing Brendan has him on is height.
Anything could happen but...
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Still is promise there. Just needs to get used to the speed of the game.
Yep, premature to right him off this year. Once his 3's start dropping we get a lot more time from him. I'm in his corner.
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Hmmmm... Markus is younger than Brendan by 1.3 years and is a probable 1st team AA this year. The only thing Brendan has him on is height.
Anything could happen but...
Markus did spend the previous 2 seasons playing high-level college basketball while BB was off doing whatever people on missions do.
The notion that BB and Sam had similar ratings coming out of HS show the illogic of using HS ratings to project anything, especially once the athlete's rating gets higher than 25 or 30.
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Bailey has shown moments of promise especially with blocked shots. He also played against some quality teams. I am confident when he gets another extended opportunity he will make the most of it. There will be a team out there he matches up well against and he will find a niche. If nothing else he will always be remembered for making the first regular season basket at the FF.
I have been following Creighton and how they have worked their freshman Forward Christian Bishop into their line up. They started off slow with him , and now they are giving him some minutes in selected situations and he has done well. That kid looks like he will be a very effective player for them in coming years.
The first thing that I thought when I read the bolded sentence above was "I forgot that."
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He’s got a little ways to go that’s for sure. If he or Cain can turn the corner this season it could be huge come tourney time
It maybe more necessary than huge.
Even one solid game of 6 -8 points, 8-10 rebs, 0-2 turnovers in 15-20 minutes could be the factor. If I see another ball go off jamal’s Hand/foot/leg I’m gonna lose it.
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If nothing else he will always be remembered for making the first regular season basket at the FF.
Will he? It’s been about two months and I had no idea when it happened or now, so always maybe a bit of a stretch.
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Yep, premature to right him off this year. Once his 3's start dropping we get a lot more time from him. I'm in his corner.
He's shooting 20% from 3. And a lot of his misses are baaaad. I think this is more of an if kind of thing, not a when kind of thing.
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He's shooting 20% from 3. And a lot of his misses are baaaad. I think this is more of an if kind of thing, not a when kind of thing.
Honestly, I've had the opposite perception of Bailey's shots. I swear most of his look perfect but just rim out.
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Honestly, I've had the opposite perception of Bailey's shots. I swear most of his look perfect but just rim out.
He occasionally has shots go way long. Not uncommon for a person that takes a bunch of time off, during an age where they get a lot stronger. They get stronger, but don't have enough in game repetitions yet. In a game situation they go back to muscle memory, which is embedded in a time period when they were not as strong.
Most of his shots are dead on, when he gets more repetitions, these occasional long misses will go away.
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Exactly! He's a freshman. Not everyone is a Markus, Sam, Joey their freshman year; regardless of how old he is. Give him time. Bet next year he will be solid.
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BB is going to make big strides in offseason.
If Markus stays, this team could be top 8ish most of the year next season.
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Exactly! He's a freshman. Not everyone is a Markus, Sam, Joey their freshman year; regardless of how old he is. Give him time. Bet next year he will be solid.
While I had hoped for more when hearing all the rave reviews from pre-season, I can't say I'm disappointed in BB at all. During the early stages of a player's career at any level if they are not an immediate star, I just hope to see those glimpses where they will make a high level play here and there to hint at their potential and what may come. BB has shown at times a scorer's mentality, a smooth stroke, an ability to drive inside and finish (I believe he had a big drive and bucket in either the Creighton or SH games) with a soft shot and the ability to use his length on D. I'm excited for his future given the skill set and what I've heard about his make-up. Sam, Joey and BB could really create some problems with their height and ability to play inside and out. I still think BB has a very bright future in the program.
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I would be shocked if Brendan had any major contributions until his junior year, or Jamal until his senior year. The reality is Joey, Sam, and Markus are all going to get 30+ MPG the next year and a half, and the combination of Ed/Theo is going to get 35 MPG the next year and a half. Add to it that Sacar will get 25 MPG the next year and a half, plus you're adding 3 guards/wings to the roster that aren't available this year while losing just one and there's very few minutes to go around, and even less shots to go around given that Markus will get 25 shots/game.
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I don't want to be negative about a player. BB seems to be a fine person and he's just a freshman...so waiting till the end of next year is a good idea before knowing his worth as a player...but right now he's lost out there. Great shooting seems to be an anecdote rather than a reality. His lack of minutes is, I believe, Wojo's justified misgivings about his effectiveness at gametime. I'm sure he could hit a few three's in a row in practice with his eye's closed. But it's not happening out there yet. A good coach plays the players who give us the best chance to win....so less Matt (one of my favorite players), less BB.
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BB is going to make big strides in offseason.
If Markus stays, this team could be top 8ish most of the year next season.
Agreed on both counts.
If MH stays, I can’t wait to see what they do for scheduling for next year. I don’t know if I can remember such a successful MU team that will be returning virtually all of its significant pieces (maybe during the three amigos reign?).
And, I think BB could be one of those x-factor guys off the bench on such a squad—a 3 and D type, after he settles in and gets back into game flow.
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I don't want to be negative about a player. BB seems to be a fine person and he's just a freshman...so waiting till the end of next year is a good idea before knowing his worth as a player...but right now he's lost out there. Great shooting seems to be an anecdote rather than a reality. His lack of minutes is, I believe, Wojo's justified misgivings about his effectiveness at gametime. I'm sure he could hit a few three's in a row in practice with his eye's closed. But it's not happening out there yet. A good coach plays the players who give us the best chance to win....so less Matt (one of my favorite players), less BB.
What about Matt makes him your favorite?
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While I had hoped for more when hearing all the rave reviews from pre-season, I can't say I'm disappointed in BB at all. During the early stages of a player's career at any level if they are not an immediate star, I just hope to see those glimpses where they will make a high level play here and there to hint at their potential and what may come. BB has shown at times a scorer's mentality, a smooth stroke, an ability to drive inside and finish (I believe he had a big drive and bucket in either the Creighton or SH games) with a soft shot and the ability to use his length on D. I'm excited for his future given the skill set and what I've heard about his make-up. Sam, Joey and BB could really create some problems with their height and ability to play inside and out. I still think BB has a very bright future in the program.
This is exactly where I am at as well. He shows some great flashes here or there that shows me he has gret instincts for the game.
The best one I can recall is towards the end of n early season game, can't remember which, he faced a 2 on 1 situation after we gave up a TO. I thought, ok lets get this basket out of the way and get on with things. Not BB though. He covered the driving players perfectly and made a great defensive play to prevent the bucket.
I am excited for his potential.
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I believe that BB still has some very good basketball ahead of him. He looks like a good athlete and has refined basketball skills. I would expect him to be a big contributor down the road.
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This is exactly where I am at as well. He shows some great flashes here or there that shows me he has gret instincts for the game.
The best one I can recall is towards the end of n early season game, can't remember which, he faced a 2 on 1 situation after we gave up a TO. I thought, ok lets get this basket out of the way and get on with things. Not BB though. He covered the driving players perfectly and made a great defensive play to prevent the bucket.
I am excited for his potential.
I’d add that he has shown good hustle too at points—diving on the floor for loose balls, etc. one of those intangible things that will help him find the floor even when he isn’t hitting shots. That’s great to see out of a freshman.
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The only way BB was going to play much for this year's team was if he could prove he could do more things better than Sacar.
He can't. And, it turns out, neither can Cain.
I went in not knowing what to expect from BB. I now know to expect little in 2018-19. wades' analysis about playing time in 2019-20 seems right on, too, especially if Markus returns.
Barring injury, BB is going to have to earn his minutes. Which, of course, is the way it should be.
He's a good athlete with length, he has some hoop skills, he's a willing defender. We'll see how much better he can get and how soon.
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its unfortunate but BB was never going to be at the top of his game coming back. Two years off is nothing like a red shirt year, and even those guys need time to get back into the swing of things.
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I think the biggest drawback for BB has been simple, Wojo has shortened bench much more than many expected. Wojo is playing the guys he thinks will get the W a ton of minutes. I have no zero problem playing to win and not develop guys. Last season BB would have received more PT. IMO, there appears to be sense urgency to get the W's this season.
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I think Brendan has more to contribute this year. Too much Talent to remained covered. I'm waiting for just dropping a few more 3's and the rest follows.
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I, too, optimistic that Brendan will become a great Warrior. Perhaps we expected too much because of his father and is 21 year old age. His play so far reminds me of Juan and Sandy.
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I, too, optimistic that Brendan will become a great Warrior. Perhaps we expected too much because of his father and is 21 year old age. His play so far reminds me of Juan and Sandy.
But more of a Junior Senior year Juan/Sandy. Lots more to develop here.
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I, too, optimistic that Brendan will become a great Warrior. Perhaps we expected too much because of his father and is 21 year old age. His play so far reminds me of Juan and Sandy.
Not sure how much was expected. I remember most of the minutes guesses we were doing during the offseason had him at just a few mins per game.
When Wojo talked him up a bit during the preseason and he ended up starting the opener, I think it had some of us thinking he could be better than we expected this season.
Again, his only route to real PT would have been taking minutes away from Sacar, and Sacar has earned his minutes.
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No issues for me with BB at all. He’s long, big hops, mature kid. Maybe i’m In the minority, but I think he takes big leap next season.
The comments about him being lost are similar to many freshmen, that’s usually the deal. Add that he’s been out of competitive ball for a few years, it is only natural. His raw talent and athleticism you can see, and I believe he plays quite a bit next year. I expect with our transfer being ready next year, that gives us latitude to do some things defensively like pressing, and playing a bit differently with our wings than today.
It’s one of the concerns I still have with MH dominant. I’d love for team sake next year of MH’s shot volume came down some, and the void lifted by others. Could be an amazing team with more scoring options.
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Brendan has 2 TOs in 198 minutes. Cain has 15 in ten fewer minutes.
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The only way BB was going to play much for this year's team was if he could prove he could do more things better than Sacar.
To me they do two different things. Sacar is a slasher, pretty good on ball defender, and occasionally a 3 pointer comes from him. BB is longer, can potentially guard different type of player, and isn't as much of a slasher, but can pick up some garbage points in the paint. If his 3 point shooting comes back to what is expected, I see BB as some that fills in for Sacar, Joey, etc. I expect his 3 point shooting to improve exponentially this off season. He's at 21% right now, Sacar is at 28%. Feels like BB should be a 30% to 35% consistently from reputation. Also cannot teach height, and at 6'8" with hops, there is a place for him next year to make a difference IMO
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I cannot believe grown men are 5 pages into this discussion on Brendan Bailey. BB is doing a great job as a Freshman. Shows a ton of promise, and i love his hops and length. He plays extremely solid defense for a Freshman. As with most Freshman to expect much from him during his freshman year is a fools folly. BB will make great strides over the summer and will be vastly improved by next year. I see BB as a really solid player by his junior and senior seasons with the potential of being a really special player by the time his senior year ends.
Al used to have a saying about Freshman...
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I would think there is potential there for Bailey to be one of, if not the top scorer, for the team his junior year.
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I cannot believe grown men are 5 pages into this discussion on Brendan Bailey. BB is doing a great job as a Freshman. Shows a ton of promise, and i love his hops and length. He plays extremely solid defense for a Freshman. As with most Freshman to expect much from him during his freshman year is a fools folly. BB will make great strides over the summer and will be vastly improved by next year. I see BB as a really solid player by his junior and senior seasons with the potential of being a really special player by the time his senior year ends.
Al used to have a saying about Freshman...
Yeah if it's not irrational extreme hatred toward Luke Fischer it's immature
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Never hated him, im sure hes a great guy. I said he wasnt any good. Still thankful Wojo moved Heldt ahead of him into the starting lineup and we went on our late season tear after that to secure an NCAA bid.
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I cannot believe grown men are 5 pages into this discussion on Brendan Bailey. BB is doing a great job as a Freshman. Shows a ton of promise, and i love his hops and length. He plays extremely solid defense for a Freshman. As with most Freshman to expect much from him during his freshman year is a fools folly. BB will make great strides over the summer and will be vastly improved by next year. I see BB as a really solid player by his junior and senior seasons with the potential of being a really special player by the time his senior year ends.
Al used to have a saying about Freshman...
We're really only two pages into this conversation. Most of this is a zombie thread from a year ago asking about Bailey
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Never hated him, im sure hes a great guy. I said he wasnt any good. Still thankful Wojo moved Heldt ahead of him into the starting lineup and we went on our late season tear after that to secure an NCAA bid.
Im quoting myself, but amazing how long a ways we have come defensively, that our turnaround that season was when we switched a sophomore Matt Heldt who could defend and rebound into the starting lineup. We beat Xavier, nova etc to get into the tourney to today when Heldt is our third string 5 and defensively inferior to the two guys ahead of him.
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Im quoting myself, but amazing how long a ways we have come defensively, that our turnaround that season was when we switched a sophomore Matt Heldt who could defend and rebound into the starting lineup. We beat Xavier, nova etc to get into the tourney to today when Heldt is our third string 5 and defensively inferior to the two guys ahead of him.
Luke not only started in the upset of Nova, he had 15 points on 7-for-10 shooting. Heldt played 2 mintues. But nice try!
Heldt did play well in a few games down the stretch, and Wojo's decision helped light a fire under Fischer. Agree it was a smart move. When Heldt looked like a deer in headlights against South Carolina, Wojo was smart enough to bench him. Wojo has had a very good feel for the center position since pretty early on as MU coach. He definitely has earned my trust.
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Brendan was there tonite!!
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Huh, maybe we should resurrect threads on Chartouny and Jamal and see if we can get them going.
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He had a hell of a game. Excited for the future of Bailey.
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BB was huge tonight. And a huge part of his impact isn’t on the stat sheet. He stepped up huge when he was needed most. So happy for that kid
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Brendan is a HUGE part of MU’s future. Great game tonight!!
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BB played a complete game tonight. Very happy for him.
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TAMU
BB is an athlete and basketball player, other two are not on same level. Let’s watch BB develop and stop pulling for the underdogs. Play the guys that can get you a W.
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Man this was his test and did he ever pass with flying colors. Looking forward to seeing much more minutes from him over tooney
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I was never down on him, but what he did tonight was clearly a step forward. Confident on both ends of the court.
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Looking forward to his career at MU.
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Really great defense and the pullup 15 footer in the second half was really smooth. Gonna be really good over the next 3 yrs. Give him a little time and hes gonna be good.
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He did better than I would have thought in the situation. As others said it will take time to really see who he is on the court. But he stepped up.
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Bailey has shown moments of promise especially with blocked shots. He also played against some quality teams. I am confident when he gets another extended opportunity he will make the most of it. There will be a team out there he matches up well against and he will find a niche. If nothing else he will always be remembered for making the first regular season basket at the FF.
I have been following Creighton and how they have worked their freshman Forward Christian Bishop into their line up. They started off slow with him , and now they are giving him some minutes in selected situations and he has done well. That kid looks like he will be a very effective player for them in coming years.
Brendan got the opportunity tonight and made the most of it. Happy for him.
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The funny thing is, when I first saw this thread 12 hours ago, I was afraid to click on it.
All I saw was Brendan Bailey... and it was 5 pages long. My first thought was, please don't be a transfer thread!
12 hours later I am more than happy to click on this thread, because the kid stepped up huge tonight. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot more of him as this season continues.
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All I saw was Brendan Bailey... and it was 5 pages long. My first thought was, please don't be a transfer thread!
No effen lie, 94 ... I thought the exact same thing!
Glad we were both wrong!!!!
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Case dismissed. He will be just fine next year as stated BEFORE tonight’s game. Nicely done BB!
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What about Matt makes him your favorite?
With Heldt its not great basketball but great attitude. He has been displaced by two newer and better players...yet he keeps cheering on the bench and when called on plays well, within himself, not trying to be something he's not to get glory. This is what a senior needs to be. Senior day will be Matt Heldt day.
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Brendan has 2 TOs in 198 minutes. Cain has 15 in ten fewer minutes.
And, no TOs in27 minutes last night.