I don't think that reconsidering celibacy is going to do much to fix the priest shortage.  Given that most who are called to vocations were Traditional Latin Mass attendees rather than Norvus Ordo attendees, perhaps the solution might be to expand TLM offerings.  Too bad this current pope hates the Traditional Latin Mass.

 https://liturgyguy.com/2018/10/08/vocations-foundations/

forgetful, you are a knowledgeable and thoughtful guy, and I often find myself nodding my head at many parts of your posts.

But we can do hypotheticals all day and night.

I mean, I ask how you would feel about “fairness” if your daughter was raped and killed in a live-streamed event after a terrorist organization brutally attacked your country?

As for cycles that repeat themselves, “Israel must die!” is an oldie but baddie that the likes of Hamas has been singing for decades.

Thank you for the kind words, and I agree that we can do hypotheticals all day and night.

I would want justice if that happened.

My argument is that neither Hamas nor Israel is seeking justice. They are seeking to institute collective punishment on the people they view as an "other." And that they are both seeking to remove the other from what they view as their land. And in the end, innocent civilians suffer on both sides.

And I do know people that have suffered horrors on both sides over there.

I ask the hypothetical, because I'm pretty certain that a lot of the posters on here, who spew legitimate hate against Palestinians (not you), would be the first people to take up arms if they were in their shoes.

And those same people, if history was reversed, and in 1948 the Arab states defeated Israel and confined the Jewish population to a fragmented land the world refused to recognize, they would be openly supporting Jews in rising up against what they would view as their Arab oppressors.

Because for them, it isn't about right or wrong, it is about who they identify with, and who they identify as the enemy.

It breaks my heart that Palestinians and Israelis continue to suffer, and live in fear, because political/religious zealots refuse to acknowledge the humanity and rights of all people. And that many nations, use these people as political pawns to pursue their own political/religious agendas.

And to be honest, if someone wants to call me naive, because I just want the world "to get along," and as a result abhor violence as a solution, that would be perfectly fair.


 

Not the Scoopiest thread of all-time, but definitely Scoopy.

I'm still pissed at Al for leaving such an empty cupboard for Deane's third season.

I don’t really care about prior ties to MU. Just get someone who can hire good coaches. Was the Stan Johnson hire at LMU a great hire?

forgetful, you are a knowledgeable and thoughtful guy, and I often find myself nodding my head at many parts of your posts.

But we can do hypotheticals all day and night.

I mean, I ask how you would feel about “fairness” if your daughter was raped and killed in a live-streamed event after a terrorist organization brutally attacked your country?

As for cycles that repeat themselves, “Israel must die!” is an oldie but baddie that the likes of Hamas has been singing for decades.