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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on February 12, 2011, 12:43:36 PM
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I voted for option #4
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Buzz should learn from Thad Motta on how to play effective defense. Motta's team even play very solid defense with a couple average traditional players out there.
Study the film Buzz. Get better.
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Gasser is a better player than Blue.
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mlm
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Gasser is a better player than Blue.
You're an idiot then.
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Admittedly, I have turned off the game twice because the offenses were too painful to watch, but I haven't seen Gasser do anything but hit two wiiiide open 3's. So, he apparently is a better shooter of wiiiide open 3's. Haven't seen anything else at which he is better than Blue.
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Gasser is a better player than Blue.
Talk to me at the end of their college careers.
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Admittedly, I have turned off the game twice because the offenses were too painful to watch, but I haven't seen Gasser do anything but hit two wiiiide open 3's. So, he apparently is a better shooter of wiiiide open 3's. Haven't seen anything else at which he is better than Blue.
Watching Old Dominion - Virginia Commonwealth as I type this.
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Bucky will take out tOSU regardless of the poll.
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Bucky will take out tOSU regardless of the poll.
Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, OSU is twice the team Bucky is.
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Buzz should learn from Thad Motta on how to play effective defense. Motta's team even play very solid defense with a couple average traditional players out there.
Study the film Buzz. Get better.
I guess you have not watched the last five minutes. OSU is choking this game because their defense is embarrassingly awful.
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Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, OSU is twice the team Bucky is.
And Jordan Taylor is a first rd. Pick
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And Jordan Taylor is a first rd. Pick
That is for sure. Most underated player in college hoops.
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Bucky is running OSU off the court. Was down 15 with 11 to go, now up 7 with 4 to go.
Buzz, don't watch this tape! OSU looks like MU in the last five minutes of Louisville.
Maybe Motta needs an assistant coach that can teach defense.
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That is for sure. Most underated player in college hoops.
Not traditional enough.
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Bucky is running OSU off the court. Was down 15 with 11 to go, now up 7 with 4 to go.
Buzz, don't watch this tape! OSU looks like MU in the last five minutes of Louisville.
Maybe Motta needs an assistant coach that can teach defense.
And like Lville, everything bucky throws up is going in
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This is the third of fourth OSU game I've watched. Still not impressed with this team, glad they'll get knocked off the pedestal.
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court rushing... incoming.
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Bucky finished with ...
24 three-points attempts, made 12 (50%)
25 two-points attempts made 13 (52%)
When was the last time we attempted 24 or more threes in a game? Or, had half of attempts as threes?
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Also, this is Bucky's first win against a #1 since 1962.
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Bucky is running OSU off the court. Was down 15 with 11 to go, now up 7 with 4 to go.
Buzz, don't watch this tape! OSU looks like MU in the last five minutes of Louisville.
Maybe Motta needs an assistant coach that can teach defense.
Ohio State is #2 in the country in defense according to ken pom. MU is #77.
There is plenty Buzz can learn from Motta.
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Really? A #14 rushing the court against a #1? I realize they were undefeated but come on.
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Gasser is a better player than Blue.
Disagree, but Gasser knows his role and plays on a better team than Blue does. UW plays as a collective whole. We do often, but have stretches where we forget about it which often leads to our demise.
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Really? A #14 rushing the court against a #1? I realize they were undefeated but come on.
I would hope we would have rushed the court in the same situation.
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Really? A #14 rushing the court against a #1? I realize they were undefeated but come on.
Agreed! They were supposed to win that game, that's what it means to be favored.
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I would hope we would have rushed the court in the same situation.
Why? For beating a team that you were supposed to beat? For beating a team for the sixth straight time at home?
I'll pass.
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Agreed! They were supposed to win that game, that's what it means to be favored.
This whole idea where other fanbases get to determine when a different fanbase should be able to rush the court has been an evolution in the last 5 years that is beyond gay (lame)
They're kids, let them rush the court.
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I would hope we would have rushed the court in the same situation.
Die hard UW fan texted me and said that they shouldn't have rushed the court.
for what its worth.
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This whole idea where other fanbases get to determine when a different fanbase should be able to rush the court has been an evolution in the last 5 years that is beyond gay (lame)
They're kids, let them rush the court.
Other fan bases? Several Bucky fans on Deadspin have already commented rushing the court was dumb. Save it for winning something, I'm still disgusted for rushing the court after Dameon Mason beat Louisville.
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Other fan bases? Several Bucky fans on Deadspin have already commented rushing the court was dumb. Save it for winning something, I'm still disgusted for rushing the court after Dameon Mason beat Louisville.
You're always going to be able to find some that say you should or shouldn't. I enjoyed the two times we rushed the court at MU when I was there and they were nothing close to these wins. Enjoyed tearing down the goalposts at KU after beating Oklahoma for the first time in years.
I just don't see what the big deal is, so what. It seems to me it's more about fanbases burning on other teams, like when IU rushed the court for their first win against a ranked team in 3 years. So what, is it so bad that burns the retinas of people's eyeballs or something? They're kids.
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I'm not a big fan of rushing the court, but if you beat an undefeated number one team, then it's fine in my book.
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Die hard UW fan texted me and said that they shouldn't have rushed the court.
for what its worth.
Did your source clear this? Did he say it was ok for you to post this on a message board? Benny B might get upset.
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I'd say it was a wee bit lame rushing the court for a program of UW's stature who almost always wins at home.
I'll give it a "beating #1" pass though.
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If Buzz were to learn anything from watching this game and other Badger games, it is that he disparately needs to recruit a point guard. Jordan Taylor is flat out fantastic.
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If Buzz were to learn anything from watching this game and other Badger games, it is that he disparately needs to recruit a point guard. Jordan Taylor is flat out fantastic.
+1000000000000000
It almost sounds like you're saying college basketball is a guard's game. ;D
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Ohio State is #2 in the country in defense according to ken pom. MU is #77.
There is plenty Buzz can learn from Motta.
I think he'll learn is he should have tried harder to recruit Sullinger.
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They just beat a undefeated #1 team in the nation, they deserve to rush the court. stop complaining and get off the high horse, my goodness
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Just curious, but does anyone know when was the last time MU beat the #1 ranked team?
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Just curious, but does anyone know when was the last time MU beat the #1 ranked team?
March 29, 2003
Some guy named Tom Crean was the coach, and the Warriors annihilated Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament to advance to the Final Four. That was our ONLY win over a #1 team by the way. Now, you may not have heard about it because a great number of fans here dismiss that victory and harp on our loss the next week in the Final Four, instead.
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Just curious, but does anyone know when was the last time MU beat the #1 ranked team?
MU is 1-6 all-time against No. 1-ranked teams.
Its lone win came against Kentucky in the 2003 NCAA tournament. That, of course, was the Elite Eight win at the Metrodome in Minneapolis that sent the Golden Eagles to the Final Four, highlighted by Dwyane Wade's triple-double.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/109777109.html
Again ... this was Wisconsin's first win against a #1 since 1962 ... when they also beat #1 OSU in Madison.
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March 29, 2003
Some guy named Tom Crean was the coach, and they annihilated Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament to advance to the Final Four. That was our ONLY win over a #1 team by the way. Now, you may not have heard about it because a great number of fans here dismiss that victory and hard on our loss the next week in the Final Four
Thanks CBB. I thought Kentucky was #3. That was a great victory and I can't believe it is our only beating of a #1.
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What was UCONN ranked when MU beat them at the Bradley Center and Novak had the career day?
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What was UCONN ranked when MU beat them at the Bradley Center and Novak had the career day?
#2
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Gasser is a better player than Blue.
We keep comparing Gasser to Blue as if we had a choice between them.
Did we recruit Gasser? Was he ever interested in MU?
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+1000000000000000
It almost sounds like you're saying college basketball is a guard's game. ;D
A traditional player like Leuer would help also.
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Really? A #14 rushing the court against a #1? I realize they were undefeated but come on.
Man, you guys are a trip. Great win for the Badgers and a court rush is well deserved. You all need to get out of the state of Wisconsin. Wisky is a great program with an unbelievable home court advantage. The Badgers are better than MU, get over it.
How many times has MU defeated a number 1??
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Man, you guys are a trip. Great win for the Badgers and a court rush is well deserved. You all need to get out of the state of Wisconsin. Wisky is a great program with an unbelievable home court advantage. The Badgers are better than MU, get over it.
How many times has MU defeated a number 1??
I'm not in the State of Wisconsin. I was also cheering for Wisconsin to win that game. Having OSU atop the rankings is disgusting, like when Memphis would be ranked first after the mass exodus from CUSA.
I'll be embarrassed if Marquette is ever favored in a game and our students rush the court.
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How many times has MU defeated a number 1??
See above March 29, 2003 against Kentucky
And this was Bucky's first win over #1 since 1962, when they also beat a #1 OSU in Madison.
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I'm not in the State of Wisconsin. I was also cheering for Wisconsin to win that game. Having OSU atop the rankings is disgusting, like when Memphis would be ranked first after the mass exodus from CUSA.
I'll be embarrassed if Marquette is ever favored in a game and our students rush the court.
Whatever.Sour grapes. If we beat a number 1, undefeated team I guarantee students rush the court. Personally, I am more embarrased by our loss to DePaul last year, their only BE win in two season.
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Whatever.Sour grapes. If we beat a number 1, undefeated team I guarantee students rush the court. Personally, I am more embarrased by our loss to DePaul last year, their only BE win in two season.
I have no sour grapes, glad they won.
I can make a personal guarantee that if we knock off a number one team at the Bradley Center, there will not be a court rushing like that.
The only possibility would be if we knock off number one to win the Big East.
And seriously, what is your unnatural carnal knowledgeing problem that this post made you think of the DePaul game? Are you that shallow where you can't let that one go? Do you hate Buzz that much?
I still don't know why this board in particular is an asshat magnet for posters like you.
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I am sure the good Jesuits are very disappointed that an MU student/alum/avid basketball fan would even include much less choose the last option.
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I'm not in the State of Wisconsin. I was also cheering for Wisconsin to win that game. Having OSU atop the rankings is disgusting, like when Memphis would be ranked first after the mass exodus from CUSA.
I'll be embarrassed if Marquette is ever favored in a game and our students rush the court.
Why? Why can't you just have fun and let the kids enjoy themselves? Besides, being favored is a Vegas betting line, nothing more. It is not a predictor of who is going to win.
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Why? Why can't you just have fun and let the kids enjoy themselves? Besides, being favored is a Vegas betting line, nothing more. It is not a predictor of who is going to win.
First, let's get real these aren't kids. They are adults. There are guidelines to follow. While, I'll give more credit to these UW kids rushing the court than say Indiana over Illinois or Indiana over Minnesota, storming the court should be reserved only for the pure magical moments. If the action is watered down it means nothing for the future.
You don't storm the court when you should have won the game from the start.
Thinking back, the Big Ten is clearly setting the pace for poor court stormings with Indiana doing some big damage. Remember when Michigan rushed after they beat a bad UConn team?
Chicos, what are your court storming guidelines? Should we have rushed after knocking off #2 UConn? We didn't but that was far more worthy than UW win today.
What about when we just beat #9 Syracuse? Should we have rushed? We didn't and we shouldn't have.
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Bad court rushings make me squirm.
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I think a court rushing is acceptable when you beat a #1.
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First, let's get real these aren't kids. They are adults. There are guidelines to follow. While, I'll give more credit to these UW kids rushing the court than say Indiana over Illinois or Indiana over Minnesota, storming the court should be reserved only for the pure magical moments. If the action is watered down it means nothing for the future.
You don't storm the court when you should have won the game from the start.
Thinking back, the Big Ten is clearly setting the pace for poor court stormings with Indiana doing some big damage. Remember when Michigan rushed after they beat a bad UConn team?
Chicos, what are your court storming guidelines? Should we have rushed after knocking off #2 UConn? We didn't but that was far more worthy than UW win today.
What about when we just beat #9 Syracuse? Should we have rushed? We didn't and we shouldn't have.
They're college kids....many can't legally drink yet. They're 18-22 year olds, some are young adults but many are kids.
Magical moments are defined by those in the arena. If you haven't won for a long time (IU), then beating a ranked team is a magical moment. When I went to MU, we hadn't beaten Notre Dame in forever and rushed the court. It was great, we had a blast and folks were pumped up. ND wasn't ranked, we sure as hell weren't but it's a magical memory I'll never forget because we were so bad it finally gave us something to be excited about. That's why IU rushed the court against Illinois, one of their top 3 fiercest rivals but didn't rush the court against beating ranked Minnesota a few days later. The people will decide the moment.
This idea of guidelines is silly. There is no handbook on this. It's called being impromptu, spur of the moment, caught up in the moment.
If it was up to me, yeah I think it would have been pretty cool to rush the court against UCONN. I don't know how that game was "more worthy" in your mind than what UW did. UCONN wasn't #1 and this was Wisconsin's only second win ever against a #1.
It's also about expectations. Should we rush the court beating #9 Syracuse after we've gone to the NCAA 5 or 6 straight years? Nope. Should we say a team like IU who has to start their program over from scratch and finally got a win over a ranked team in 3 years can't? Really? Sorry, but I disagree. It's where you're coming from and what the expectations are. I sincerely doubt you'll see IU rushing the court in years to come when they start loading up. It's also why MU doesn't rush the court (aside from the BC security being a tough one) but we have rushed it on a number of occasions in the last 25 years.
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For real Chicos? UW was projected to win. They've beat OSU the last six times at home and they are ranked #14.
We were picked to finish 12th in our conference. We were unranked and we were missing started Wes Matthews when we beat #2 UCONN.
I'd say our win was bigger and not deserving of a court rushing.
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For real Chicos? UW was projected to win. They've beat OSU the last six times at home and they are ranked #14.
We were picked to finish 12th in our conference. We were unranked and we were missing started Wes Matthews when we beat #2 UCONN.
I'd say our win was bigger and not deserving of a court rushing.
I'm surprised Chicos isn't in full pimp mode of that UConn game. Easily one of Tommy's best games.
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Cream out coached that miserable bastard Calhoun in that game. It was fantastic.
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I'm surprised Chicos isn't in full pimp mode of that UConn game. Easily one of Tommy's best games.
It was a great win and I said we should have rushed the court, but beating #1 is a big deal, bigger than beating #2.
Tommy, Cream, etc? Your guys hatred is strong, get ready for years of it.
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It was a great win and I said we should have rushed the court, but beating #1 is a big deal, bigger than beating #2.
Tommy, Cream, etc? Your guys hatred is strong, get ready for years of it.
Marquette beating #2 UConn in 2006 is far greater of a win that what just happened in Madison. It was actually an upset.
I don't hate him that much. He will never sustain long-term success, so don't be going balls deep on him too soon Chicos.
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Whoops. The iPad switched Crean to Cream. I'm fine with Crean's time at MU.
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I think a court rushing is acceptable when you beat a #1.
I think it only makes sense to rush the court if Erin Andrews is working the game, regardless of the outcome.
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I think it only makes sense to rush the court if Erin Andrews is working the game, regardless of the outcome.
+1
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I think it only makes sense to rush the court if Erin Andrews is working the game, regardless of the outcome.
This. +1.
Here's how I feel about storming the court. This used to be sacred tradition, fitting for the biggest of upsets and celebrations. Set aside for the little school knocking off the favorite, huge last second victories over storied rivals and clinching a championship against the team you just beat at home.
This tradition is far too watered down today. I don't care who Indiana is now, any team with five national championships should never be storming the court over a win against an overrated Illinois. Now if they beat Illinois to clinch the Big Ten Championship, go balls out. This is just one example, but students these days are far too quick the pull the trigger.
Looking at the UW-OSU game, if I were in the student section, here's my thought process. Huge game, against the #1 team in the country. However, OSU has never won in my house. We're not scared of OSU, hell, we are favored to win this game. My team should win this game, and if they don't they didn't play to the level that they should have. Buzzer goes off, I'll be excited as crap. I will yell and cheer as the team should walk over to the student sections and give some high-fives. But you act like you knew you were going to win the game. You don't go sprinting onto the court like you're team just performed the upset of the year.
Chicos, you said this is about expectations. UW should have expected to win this game. UW should have stayed in the stands.
Would other Big Ten teams storm the court after beating OSU? Indiana, Penn State, Iowa, Northwesten for sure. Michigan State would not storm the court. Illinois & Michigan have some pretty stupid student sections.
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Would other Big Ten teams storm the court after beating OSU? Indiana, Penn State, Iowa, Northwesten for sure. Michigan State would not storm the court. Illinois & Michigan have some pretty stupid student sections.
Really? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFy6Kikroqw)
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Really? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFy6Kikroqw)
Unranked Michigan State were HUGE dogs in that game. It was a true upset. Not quite comparable.
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Unranked Michigan State were HUGE dogs in that game. It was a true upset. Not quite comparable.
The line was MSU +1.5.
Link to spread of last 5 MSU home games vs Wisconsin (http://www.oddsshark.com/Stats/DBHeadToHead/Basketball/NCAAB/229/5/Home/473/Any/0/0)