Author Topic: Parrish: Ben Howland involved with Marquette. (Read 16106 times)

Tugg Speedman · « **on:** March 21, 2014, 05:11:38 PM »

I'm numb

WellsstreetWanderer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:12:54 PM »

I'm living in a NIGHTMARE right now

Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:15:35 PM »

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:16:21 PM »

Quote from: elephantraker on March 21, 2014, 05:12:54 PM

I'm living in a NIGHTMARE right now

Why?

Ben Howland is a great coach. You hate final fours?

Blackhat · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:17:12 PM »

Rather have Tommy Amaker than Howland

NickelDimer · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:17:48 PM »

Howland >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wardle

ronald dragon · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:18:10 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:17:12 PM

Rather have Tommy Amaker than Howland

+1

Rockmic87 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:19:25 PM »

Howland is a much better coach and recruiter than Buzz. I'd kiss the ground if he was the next MU head coach. However, he will likely bolt the program after 6 years as well for a blue blood.

marquette09 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:19:52 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:17:12 PM

Rather have Tommy Amaker than Howland

Right, because he did so well at Michigan and Seton Hall, and Howland did so bad at UCLA and Pitt

radome · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:20:05 PM »

I follow our team religiously, follow the rest of sport sparingly. Many were disappointed that Buzz wasn't a big name. I think that Howland is. What is perceived as wrong with him? Seems good to me.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:20:15 PM »

I'd sign up for Howland right now. Dude's been nothing but successful. Not sure I wouldn't have signed up for Howland yesterday, might be an upgrade, and I like Buzz. One thing almost for sure...would be his last job.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:21:00 PM »

Rack 'em

PuertoRicanNightmare · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:21:06 PM »

Quote from: NickelDimer on March 21, 2014, 05:17:48 PM

Howland >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wardle

+1

Aughnanure · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:21:39 PM »

Howland is about as good as it gets for this. I said that last year when the rumors swirled.

sailwi · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:22:17 PM »

Howland could be a 10 year solution, old enough MU could be his last stop. I hate we have become a stepping stone, IU I could understand VT I cannot. Whoever is hired next I'm not believing any of their BS.

Blackhat · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:22:32 PM »

Quote from: marquette09 on March 21, 2014, 05:19:52 PM

Right, because he did so well at Michigan and Seton Hall, and Howland did so bad at UCLA and Pitt

Coaches usually get better at x and o's, as they get older. Recruiting takes innate qualities.

chapman · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:23:14 PM »

Quote from: Rockmic87 on March 21, 2014, 05:19:25 PM

Howland is a much better coach and recruiter than Buzz. I'd kiss the ground if he was the next MU head coach. However, he will likely bolt the program after 6 years as well for a blue blood.

He's 56 and has already coached a blue blood for 10 years. He's been around enough to settle here to overwhelming support and to not have his head up his rear end and one foot out the door. The blue bloods on a succession plan won't hire him at 62.

If he's interested as Katz and Parrish claim, that's a blessing.

marquette09 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:23:48 PM »

Quote from: radome on March 21, 2014, 05:20:05 PM

I follow our team religiously, follow the rest of sport sparingly. Many were disappointed that Buzz wasn't a big name. I think that Howland is. What is perceived as wrong with him? Seems good to me.

Problem with Howland is that he lost control of his players and the program at UCLA

Blackhat · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:23:55 PM »

Quote from: sailwi on March 21, 2014, 05:22:17 PM

Howland could be a 10 year solution, old enough MU could be his last stop. I hate we have become a stepping stone, IU I could understand VT I cannot. Whoever is hired next I'm not believing any of their BS.

Larry and Pilarz set this day up….surprised Buzz didn't give Wild and next AD a shot but gotta roll the dice again.

Pakuni · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:25:20 PM »

Assuming he learned from his mistakes at the end of his UCLA tenure, this would be a very good hire.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:26:34 PM »

Book 'em before he reaches his senses.

Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:27:13 PM »

Howland is an upgrade. Better coach, good recruiter. I'd be thrilled if we landed him. Also he'd be less likely to bolt for greener pastures after what UCLA did to him.

Blackhat · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM »

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz??

Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

Rockmic87 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:31:46 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz?? Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

Go through and write down the names of players in the NBA that have played for Howland. Then write down the names of those in the NBA of both Buzz and Crean combined....

Smokin' Jae · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:31:56 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz?? Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

Three final fours, the guy recruited and coached Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love, can't be lost on recruits

Norm · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:33:13 PM »

Not excited about Howland. The press reports about his tenure at UCLA were not good.

Pakuni · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:33:33 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz?? Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

You haven't watched much college basketball this decade, huh?

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:34:16 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz?? Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

Screwing up the UCLA job? I believe they won PAC 12 last year, and went to Sweet 16 (not looking it up, so if I'm wrong on that forgive me). You don't think they're good this year because of Alford, do you? He didn't screw up anything. They had more success under him, t.han they had in years.

PGsHeroes32 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:35:09 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz?? Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

you been drinking?

Smokin' Jae · « **Reply #29 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:36:52 PM »

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 21, 2014, 05:34:16 PM

Screwing up the UCLA job? I believe they won PAC 12 last year, and went to Sweet 16 (not looking it up, so if I'm wrong on that forgive me). You don't think they're good this year because of Alford, do you? He didn't screw up anything. They had more success under him, t.han they had in years.

Won PAC-12 regular season, lost in round of 64, albeit without Jordan Adams their best player who broke his foot.

Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:37:08 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:29:38 PM

Howland is an upgrade from Buzz?? Screwing up the UCLA job doesn't afford me much comfort.

Yes. Anybody not named John Wooden will be accused of "screwing up" at UCLA.

Windyplayer · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:37:21 PM »

Quote from: Marqwarrior89 on March 21, 2014, 05:31:56 PM

Three final fours, the guy recruited and coached Russell Westbrook and Kevin Love, can't be lost on recruits

Yeah, not sure where people get off turning their nose at Howland. He's welcome.

GooooMarquette · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:40:18 PM »

If we could get Howland, I'd take him in a New York minute. Big name, great recruiter, solid coach. The only reason he isn't at UCLA anymore is that his last name isn't Wooden.

Markusquette · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:54:14 PM »

Players in the NBA

Ben Howland has coached a number of players who later played professionally in the National Basketball Association (NBA)

Trevor Ariza
Dijon Thompson
Cedric Bozeman
Ryan Hollins
Jordan Farmar
Arron Afflalo
Russell Westbrook
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Kevin Love
Jrue Holiday
Darren Collison
Malcolm Lee
Tyler Honeycutt
Shabazz Muhammad

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2014, 05:54:28 PM »

Quote from: Stone Cold on March 21, 2014, 05:23:55 PM

Larry and Pilarz set this day up….surprised Buzz didn't give Wild and next AD a shot but gotta roll the dice again.

Stop. Really, stop.

Do you not believe in any personal accountability?

buckchuckler · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:43:19 PM »

I feel like Howland would be a huge home run.

PGsHeroes32 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:46:13 PM »

Quote from: Marqwarrior89 on March 21, 2014, 05:36:52 PM

Won PAC-12 regular season, lost in round of 64, albeit without Jordan Adams their best player who broke his foot.

Last year their best player was probably Shabazz but yeah Adams was a huge loss.

They also ran into a horrible match up in the gophers. The gophs obviously were not a great team but match up wise with UCLA is was about as perfect a draw as they could have asked for.

I would love to have Howland.

Rockmic87 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:49:04 PM »

Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on March 21, 2014, 05:54:14 PM

Players in the NBA

Ben Howland has coached a number of players who later played professionally in the National Basketball Association (NBA)

Trevor Ariza
Dijon Thompson
Cedric Bozeman
Ryan Hollins
Jordan Farmar
Arron Afflalo
Russell Westbrook
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Kevin Love
Jrue Holiday
Darren Collison
Malcolm Lee
Tyler Honeycutt
Shabazz Muhammad

Thank you for answering my question.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #38 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:49:08 PM »

Here's the thing with Ben. I have worked with him several times as a spokesperson for some of our products. He's a very good basketball mind, not one that does really well with alumni in my opinion. I don't think he cares for that aspect of the job. He's somewhat introverted. The style of basketball he plays is so different than what MU fans have seen the last 15 years, I have a feeling it would be a turnoff for many here. Emphasizes defense and then defense and then defense.

Just my opinion. The SI article on UCLA didn't help matters and the whole recruitment of Shabazz was squirmy as hell.

By the way, some of the well connected UCLA fans here believe Ben might be heading to Wake Forest or potentially USF.

breadtree · « **Reply #39 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:50:02 PM »

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/magazine/02/28/ucla/

muwarrior69 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:55:21 PM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:49:08 PM

Here's the thing with Ben. I have worked with him several times as a spokesperson for some of our products. He's a very good basketball mind, not one that does really well with alumni in my opinion. I don't think he cares for that aspect of the job. He's somewhat introverted. The style of basketball he plays is so different than what MU fans have seen the last 15 years, I have a feeling it would be a turnoff for many here. Emphasizes defense and then defense and then defense.

Just my opinion. The SI article on UCLA didn't help matters and the whole recruitment of Shabazz was squirmy as hell.

By the way, some of the well connected UCLA fans here believe Ben might be heading to Wake Forest or potentially USF.

Sounds like my kind of coach, like Al.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:57:11 PM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:49:08 PM

He's a very good basketball mind, not one that does really well with alumni in my opinion. I don't think he cares for that aspect of the job. He's somewhat introverted.

So no real change from Buzz then, huh?

TJ · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2014, 06:59:43 PM »

This is just an initial reaction, but I'm all for the idea of Howland if these rumors are indeed true. Successful everywhere he's been (just because UCLA doesn't think 3 straight Final Fours is good enough doesn't mean it's true), can't remember any black marks on the record, in a position where he's probably not just looking for the next opportunity, etc.

MU definitely could do far worse.

Avenue Commons · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:03:20 PM »

Andy Katz reports via Twitter that Howland is chasing the Marquette job:

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Former UCLA coach Ben Howland wants Marquette. He wants back in the Big East. He makes sense to continue similar path of play.
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Windyplayer · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:05:32 PM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:49:08 PM

Here's the thing with Ben. I have worked with him several times as a spokesperson for some of our products. He's a very good basketball mind, not one that does really well with alumni in my opinion.

Fine you met him before and had brief conversations. But how do you know he doesn't do well with alumni?

Markusquette · « **Reply #45 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:05:50 PM »

If he likes defense then he definitely will like Derrick!

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #46 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:10:38 PM »

Quote from: Avenue Commons on March 21, 2014, 07:03:20 PM

Andy Katz reports via Twitter that Howland is chasing the Marquette job:

Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 2h

Former UCLA coach Ben Howland wants Marquette. He wants back in the Big East. He makes sense to continue similar path of play.

If true, kind of a no brainier for MU, isn't it?

Desert_warrior · « **Reply #47 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:11:54 PM »

Wasn't Howland at UCLA for ten years? I would think there would be more alumni dealings there than at Marquette. And if he is expressing interest, maybe he got over the reluctance to deal with alumni.

4everwarriors · « **Reply #48 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:12:48 PM »

We're not gonna be able to judge this chit for 5-6 years, aina?

bilsu · « **Reply #49 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:15:54 PM »

I think Howland and Buzz shows what happens, if you bring in the wrong players. You have to recruit players that have talent and are team players. The wrong mix of players, become a disaster. Look at Texas last year vs this year or the previous 12 years. Their coach did not forget how to coach, he just recruited a bad mix of players. Those players are gone and Texas now has made the round of 32.

SWARM! · « **Reply #50 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:22:01 PM »

Howalnd....yes please!

Clam Crowder · « **Reply #51 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:27:48 PM »

What guard could change their mind if the guy who coached so many absolute stud NBA PGS is our coach. If we get Howland I predict defections from the class will be minimal. I think this is going to happen.

Coleman · « **Reply #52 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:32:24 PM »

Book Howland! It's an upgrade!

chapman · « **Reply #53 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:33:27 PM »

Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 07:27:48 PM

What guard could change their mind if the guy who coached so many absolute stud NBA PGS is our coach. If we get Howland I predict defections from the class will be minimal. I think this is going to happen.

Agree. And a healthy list of bigs too. The guy put this list in the league:

http://espn.go.com/nba/players/_/college/26

Class71 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:34:31 PM »

Quote from: Clam Crowder on March 21, 2014, 07:27:48 PM

What guard could change their mind if the guy who coached so many absolute stud NBA PGS is our coach. If we get Howland I predict defections from the class will be minimal. I think this is going to happen.

Agree. Howland will be a great fit and you will see some fire next year. The press reports -- forget about it!

Clam Crowder · « **Reply #55 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:37:16 PM »

Quote from: Class71 on March 21, 2014, 07:34:31 PM

Agree. Howland will be a great fit and you will see some fire next year. The press reports -- forget about it!

Player development was an deserved to be a HUGE knock on Buzz. I honestly can think of 3 players that showed huge improvement from year to year Jae, Jimmy, and Van. Everyone else...see Jamil Wilson really didn't get significantly better. Also Derrick as an example there.

Howland has had some guys for 1 year some for 2 some for 3 but those guys...alot of them have grown to be great players.

Credit UCLA all you want but you can be at a school like that an fail.

I want Howland. Lets hope MU moves swiftly finds their guy and lets him work to keep all of these players where they are.

avid1010 · « **Reply #56 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:40:26 PM »

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 21, 2014, 06:49:08 PM

Here's the thing with Ben. I have worked with him several times as a spokesperson for some of our products. He's a very good basketball mind, not one that does really well with alumni in my opinion. I don't think he cares for that aspect of the job. He's somewhat introverted. The style of basketball he plays is so different than what MU fans have seen the last 15 years, I have a feeling it would be a turnoff for many here. Emphasizes defense and then defense and then defense.

Just my opinion. The SI article on UCLA didn't help matters and the whole recruitment of Shabazz was squirmy as hell.

By the way, some of the well connected UCLA fans here believe Ben might be heading to Wake Forest or potentially USF.

i'm impressed that you could tell he had a good basketball mind and fails with alum based upon his sponsorship of your products.

i'd be very happy with howland...if he could be successful at MU, and he could groom the next MU coach before he leaves MU could have more stability. my concern is recruiting...but i have no clue what he has left for connections, and all that goes in to the recruiting process.

79Warrior · « **Reply #57 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:47:36 PM »

Quote from: windyplayer on March 21, 2014, 07:05:32 PM

Fine you met him before and had brief conversations. But how do you know he doesn't do well with alumni?

I have met Ben several times at UCLA events when he was there. He was perfectly fine. Most coaches hate the "alumni thing" but they know they have to do it. Howland would be a very good hire for MU.

ChitownSpaceForRent · « **Reply #58 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:52:38 PM »

Put me in the Howland camp

denverMU · « **Reply #59 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:53:11 PM »

Crean to MU, ITS MARQUETTE, ITS MARQUETTE, ITS MARQUETTE!

muwarrior69 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 21, 2014, 07:58:33 PM »

If Howland becomes the next MU coach I am sure he and Lavin will have a lot to talk about.

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #61 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:25:45 PM »

I'd sign up Howland.

Been there.
Experienced.
Name recognition.
He'll be top dog once again (UCLA FB was starting to outdraw UCLA BK).
Probably his last or next to last stop.
Buys MU time to prepare for his eventual successor.

breadtree · « **Reply #62 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:18:51 PM »

Quote from: TJ on March 21, 2014, 06:59:43 PM

(just because UCLA doesn't think 3 straight Final Fours is good enough doesn't mean it's true),

He didn't get fired for losing. He got fired for letting his players completely melt down. Seriously, read the SI article.

TJ · « **Reply #63 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:28:03 PM »

Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2014, 09:18:51 PM

He didn't get fired for losing. He got fired for letting his players completely melt down. Seriously, read the SI article.

ok. I didn't know there was an SI article.

Still, on first thought and apparently without knowing all of the details this sounds good to me.

breadtree · « **Reply #64 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:39:07 PM »

Quote from: TJ on March 21, 2014, 09:28:03 PM

ok. I didn't know there was an SI article.

Still, on first thought and apparently without knowing all of the details this sounds good to me.

Sorry, didn't mean to call you out. Just pointing out that there's a reason a coach with 3 Final Fours was unemployed and it's not 360 clueless ADs

Clam Crowder · « **Reply #65 on:** March 21, 2014, 09:40:58 PM »

I thought we already established he would be losing money by taking a job this year...

If Bruce Pearl got 2.2 mill after his shenanigans Howland deserves a chance.

TJ · « **Reply #66 on:** March 21, 2014, 11:06:49 PM »

Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2014, 09:39:07 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to call you out. Just pointing out that there's a reason a coach with 3 Final Fours was unemployed and it's not 360 clueless ADs

ok, read it. Interesting article, but I would still consider him for the position if I were Cords. Many red flags there, but it's also certainly possible that Howland wants to do things differently next time and can convince administration of that. Plus, MU is not the same animal that UCLA is. That's not to say there's nothing to be concerned about, just that some of the problems listed in the article were uniquely UCLA.

Jay Bee · « **Reply #67 on:** March 21, 2014, 11:14:50 PM »

Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2014, 09:39:07 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to call you out. Just pointing out that there's a reason a coach with 3 Final Fours was unemployed and it's not 360 clueless ADs

Yep. The reason is Ben wouldn't have been paid $2.3MM to not work this season. He would have been a wackjob to have worked this season, IMO. But guaranteed he's been planning for his next gig by watching games and considering what he wants in his next job.

ChicosBailBonds · « **Reply #68 on:** March 21, 2014, 11:51:15 PM »

Quote from: avid1010 on March 21, 2014, 07:40:26 PM

i'm impressed that you could tell he had a good basketball mind and fails with alum based upon his sponsorship of your products.

Yeah, because that's how I could tell. Actually, had the chance to work with him for two years. SEPARATELY, with friends in the UCLA athletic department, and I'm close to some UCLA alums out here connected to the hoops program, etc, I was able to observe the rest. I didn't get the chances to rub elbows with their AD over the years based on my good looks or hiring Ben as our spokesperson.

Always glad to share a few tidbits here, even if it requires a bit of mocking from those cramming into the clown car.

keefe · « **Reply #69 on:** March 22, 2014, 12:00:14 AM »

Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2014, 05:26:34 PM

Book 'em before he ~~reaches his senses~~ finds out about Scoop!

WesleyPipes · « **Reply #70 on:** March 22, 2014, 01:29:10 AM »

Quote from: TJ on March 21, 2014, 11:06:49 PM

ok, read it. Interesting article, but I would still consider him for the position if I were Cords. Many red flags there, but it's also certainly possible that Howland wants to do things differently next time and can convince administration of that. Plus, MU is not the same animal that UCLA is. That's not to say there's nothing to be concerned about, just that some of the problems listed in the article were uniquely UCLA.

I just posted this in another thread, but I get the feeling that there was a fair amount of alumni overseeing at UCLA... The article made it seem like he wanted to discipline, but didn't always have the ability. My $0.02

keefe · « **Reply #71 on:** March 22, 2014, 01:33:32 AM »

Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on March 21, 2014, 07:05:50 PM

If he likes defense then he definitely will like Derrick!

Please! He likes "defense." There was absolutely no mention of "lock down defense."

murphmurphy · « **Reply #72 on:** March 22, 2014, 05:08:47 AM »

Quote from: breadtree on March 21, 2014, 06:50:02 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/magazine/02/28/ucla/

Everyone on this blog needs to read this article. If this article is true, Ben Howland could be the worst coach MU could hire.

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