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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheeks on January 12, 2019, 03:14:25 PM

Title: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Cheeks on January 12, 2019, 03:14:25 PM
Smart man.  Go to my grave on this.  Yes, UCLA beat Oregon the other day, but miracles have to happen.

Way to go MU and Wojo!
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: WarriorFan on January 12, 2019, 03:22:10 PM
Yep, that was smart.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 12, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
Happened in a high school game I watched earlier this year as well. A kid drained about a 30 footer when time expired. Had a pretty decent look at the basket though.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: tower912 on January 12, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
Cooley didn't twice.  Burned him twice.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: PistolBrad on January 12, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
It wasn’t just fouling up 3.  It was waiting until the ball came inside the line to foul and ensure they would not get three shots.  I’m not sure if Wojo called that or if Markus just did it.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on January 12, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
It kinda felt like markus took it in his own hands but im a huge proponent of fouling up 3.   Glad it worked
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: avid1010 on January 12, 2019, 03:56:42 PM
Hear Majerus give his two cents on the matter once...said it's the only way you lose the game (make first ft and tip out rebound for a 3)...so he did not have his teams do so.  Obviously a problem if you foul while shooting...

I liked it tonight...need to have smart and well coached players. 
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: jsglow on January 12, 2019, 04:02:13 PM
Played perfectly
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: mu03eng on January 12, 2019, 04:06:22 PM
It wasn’t just fouling up 3.  It was waiting until the ball came inside the line to foul and ensure they would not get three shots.  I’m not sure if Wojo called that or if Markus just did it.

Wojo called it from the bench
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: StillWarriors on January 12, 2019, 04:06:28 PM
It kinda felt like markus took it in his own hands but im a huge proponent of fouling up 3.   Glad it worked

Theo was a beast on the boards, but I was thinking I’d rather have Joey in inside rebounding position with Sam at the end. Fortunately the reb came to Sam and he made the FTs. I’d feel pretty confident with Joey in there in terms of getting a board, and obviously would prefer to see him go to the line despite his late miss.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: We R Final Four on January 12, 2019, 04:10:59 PM
It kinda felt like markus took it in his own hands but im a huge proponent of fouling up 3.   Glad it worked

No.  You think that this is something that Markus just did on his own, with no direction or input from the coach?
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2019, 04:20:08 PM
Big fan of the foul in that situation.

I certainly see where Majerus is coming from, but how many times do we have to see guys hit huge 3s in a season to think that letting a clutch player take a potential tying 3 is the right thing?

Foul, foul, foul.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: 79Warrior on January 12, 2019, 04:23:48 PM
Smart man.  Go to my grave on this.  Yes, UCLA beat Oregon the other day, but miracles have to happen.

Way to go MU and Wojo!

UCLA a different team with Alford gone.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Jay Bee on January 12, 2019, 04:29:58 PM
It depends.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: tower912 on January 12, 2019, 04:32:25 PM
It depends.
I actually agree with this.    Are you facing a poor 3 pt shooting team?    Are you a good rebounding team?   Can you foul a poor free throw shooter?    How much time?    1-1 or two shots?       If Georgetown doesn't make two prayers, Cooley is smart.    They made them.    If SHU gets that rebound and throws up a prayer (when have we seen that) and maybe even gets fouled, Wojo is an idiot. 
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
Time is really the only factor I think is relevant.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 12, 2019, 04:35:12 PM
I actually agree with this.    Are you facing a poor 3 pt shooting team?    Are you a good rebounding team?   Can you foul a poor free throw shooter?    How much time?    1-1 or two shots?       If Georgetown doesn't make two prayers, Cooley is smart.    They made them.    If SHU gets that rebound and throws up a prayer (when have we seen that) and maybe even gets fouled, Wojo is an idiot.

Every team has a few three point shooters.  If time is less than 5 seconds and they are in the 1-and-1 like we were.... no brainer.  Foul.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Jay Bee on January 12, 2019, 04:42:40 PM
Every team has a few three point shooters.  If time is less than 5 seconds and they are in the 1-and-1 like we were.... no brainer.  Foul.

What if you’ve got a bunch of numbskulls you don’t trust to not foul on a shot? What if the refs are jags who might call a shooting foul? What if your best rebounders have fouled out and the other team is craft at FTM ORs?

All depends
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 12, 2019, 04:45:41 PM
What if you’ve got a bunch of numbskulls you don’t trust to not foul on a shot? What if the refs are jags who might call a shooting foul? What if your best rebounders have fouled out and the other team is craft at FTM ORs?

All depends

Fair enough.  If your best rebounders are out of game I don't foul.  Or,  along those lines,  if my entire team sucks at defensive rebounding.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2019, 04:50:56 PM
Wojo called it from the bench

+1

Looked like Wojo called Sam and Markus over during the FTs to lay out the plan.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Cheeks on January 12, 2019, 05:41:24 PM
UCLA a different team with Alford gone.

Yes, though they are in conference play now and the PAC 12 is so bad it might be worse than their non conference games.  🤪
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Cheeks on January 12, 2019, 05:44:35 PM
I actually agree with this.    Are you facing a poor 3 pt shooting team?    Are you a good rebounding team?   Can you foul a poor free throw shooter?    How much time?    1-1 or two shots?       If Georgetown doesn't make two prayers, Cooley is smart.    They made them.    If SHU gets that rebound and throws up a prayer (when have we seen that) and maybe even gets fouled, Wojo is an idiot.

But in all those situations PraYERS have to happen.  Not a “normal” 3.  I take my chances with prayers every time.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Cheeks on January 12, 2019, 06:16:59 PM
It kinda felt like markus took it in his own hands but im a huge proponent of fouling up 3.   Glad it worked

Nope

“I didn't want Powell to tie the game,'' Wojciechowski said of the decision to foul. ''I think you have to go by feel on that. I don't think there should be necessarily a hard and fast rule. But when Myles Powell's on the other team, let's try to rely on our free-throw block outs. And, we did and Sam came up with a huge rebound.''
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: tower912 on January 12, 2019, 07:10:22 PM
So, Wojo agrees that it depends.  And lays out reasons.   Smart guy.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on January 12, 2019, 07:23:40 PM
I thought he mentioned at one time he won't commit to one way since other teams would know it then and expect the foul (and be ready to shoot as its happening).
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: tower912 on January 12, 2019, 07:26:30 PM
Wait, strategery?
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2019, 08:09:46 PM
Am I the only one that keeps seeing this and thinking it's a Froling thread?
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Galway Eagle on January 12, 2019, 08:34:58 PM
Am I the only one that keeps seeing this and thinking it's a Froling thread?

Happened to me earlier
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Cheeks on January 12, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
So, Wojo agrees that it depends.  And lays out reasons.   Smart guy.

Better than Majerus never do it approach.  I can live with that.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: 94Warrior on January 12, 2019, 08:46:16 PM
Loved it.  Executed perfectly.  Thank you, Wojo!
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Its DJOver on January 15, 2019, 11:33:57 PM
As always, its situational.  I think not fouling, up three with less than 3 seconds to go and the full length of the court was the right call this time. Kudos to Wojo.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: 94Warrior on January 15, 2019, 11:38:07 PM
As always, its situational.  I think not fouling, up three with less than 3 seconds to go and the full length of the court was the right call this time. Kudos to Wojo.

Not enough time.  Don't want them to start their shooting motion and leave it up to a judgement call by the refs.  If a kid hits a contested half court shot, you live with it and win in OT.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: MU82 on January 15, 2019, 11:41:28 PM
Not fouling here was a pretty easy call. Pretty sure every coach would have played it the same way. The worst thing would be fouling a guy on a desperation 40-footer. As 94 said, you live with it if he can make it.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: tower912 on January 16, 2019, 07:13:03 AM
So, situational.   Smart coaching.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: jsglow on January 16, 2019, 07:14:48 AM
As always, its situational.  I think not fouling, up three with less than 3 seconds to go and the full length of the court was the right call this time. Kudos to Wojo.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: CTWarrior on January 16, 2019, 07:16:03 AM
As always, its situational.  I think not fouling, up three with less than 3 seconds to go and the full length of the court was the right call this time. Kudos to Wojo.

No way you foul there.  They got the best shot they were going to get.  Five seconds left, then you think about it.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: BM1090 on January 16, 2019, 08:52:47 AM
No way you foul there.  They got the best shot they were going to get.  Five seconds left, then you think about it.

5 seconds left I would have liked to see a foul right around the midcourt line. I think given hat there were < 3 seconds left the right call was made.
Title: Re: Fouling up 3 - thank you Wojo
Post by: Cheeks on January 16, 2019, 10:08:34 PM
So, situational.   Smart coaching.

Yes, better than the Majerus never do it strategy....