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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: rocky_warrior on October 28, 2022, 10:02:25 AM
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Hopefully someone can crash it and give a report.
Also, how it might affect our NCAA seed.
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This is probably a more helpful barometer (if a secret scrimmage can be one) about how this team can handle the bigger dogs on our schedule. They have a ton of length. Kobe Brown is going to be a handful. Isaih Mosley and Noah Carter are huge transfer additions as well from Missouri State and Northern Iowa, respectively.
Looking forward to hearing whispers. Wizard-- get your eavesdropping spells in order and Brew, keep talking to your power Broeker about the games.
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Hopefully someone can crash it and give a report.
Also, how it might affect our NCAA seed.
It's down at UC, ugh that's so far away to go down and try to sneak in.
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It's down at UC, ugh that's so far away to go down and try to sneak in.
Me and a couple of buddies are on it.
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Big loss
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Gotta ask... what are the potential seed implications?
;D
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Gotta ask... what are the potential seed implications?
;D
omg! 😮💨😑
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Gotta ask... what are the potential seed implications?
;D
HUGE
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Anyone heard from Willie? I hope he is okay.
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Anyone heard from Willie? I hope he is okay.
He’ll be back the first second Marquette is down in a game
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He’ll be back the first second Marquette is down in a game
Well yeah. It'll be time to fire Shaka-Wojo-Dukiet-Deane-Hank-Hickey.
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Sounds like this one really was a secret.
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While completely secret, our seeding dropped 17 places. Or rose. Depending on which S curve you use.
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While completely secret, our seeding dropped 17 places. Or rose. Depending on which S curve you use.
The only visitor allowed in was Kenpom
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What’s the word scoopers? We handle ourselves well?
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At this point, I think we can only assume the team, and anyone watching, was literally obliterated.
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At this point, I think we can only assume the team, and anyone watching, was literally obliterated.
Hiroshima?
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At this point, I think we can only assume the team, and anyone watching, was literally obliterated.
I’m thinking no news is bad news.
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I’m thinking no news is bad news.
We gowne
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We gowne
Thanks Hawk!
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I was told Marquette won by 8 points.
Not sure on anything else other than that.
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People are saying that Al punched Dennis Gates in the face.
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People are saying that Al punched Dennis Gates in the face.
Wut?
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I was told Marquette won by 8 points.
Not sure on anything else other than that.
Didn't beat the spread, seeding -3.
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Didn't beat the spread, seeding -3.
The real question is if this makes us 27th or 28th in the AP poll
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Not even a Goodman tweet about leading scorers?
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Not even a Goodman tweet about leading scorers?
We're irrelevant.
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A post on the Missouri board says “apparently Mizzou won the scrimmage.”
MU down 16 in KenPom, lost 3 seed lines, and soon 15 new moper posts coming….
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A post on the Missouri board says “apparently Mizzou won the scrimmage.”
MU down 16 in KenPom, lost 3 seed lines, and soon 15 new moper posts coming….
This is all so unacceptable
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A post on the Missouri board says “apparently Mizzou won the scrimmage.”
MU down 16 in KenPom, lost 3 seed lines, and soon 15 new moper posts coming….
Brew...anything? Did the team get outrebounded 409-1?
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A post on the Missouri board says “apparently Mizzou won the scrimmage.”
MU down 16 in KenPom, lost 3 seed lines, and soon 15 new moper posts coming….
Dueling fan boards.
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Similar to dueling banjos?
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Brew...anything? Did the team get outrebounded 409-1?
Nothing I've heard yet. All quiet on the southern front.
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Nothing I've heard yet. All quiet on the southern front.
Bad sign. Bring Brian Wardle home
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Eff Kim English
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As long as no walking boots were handed put.
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So still radio silence?
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So still radio silence?
Was thinking the same thing. These are much more secret than years past. The Insiders probably know but were told under no circumstances are they to leak the information or future information would be cut off.
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So still radio silence?
No leaks from our side, loss!
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No leaks from our side, loss!
My source told me Missouri won 89-67
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My source told me Missouri won 89-67
Season over....
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My source told me Missouri won 89-67
Payback for Marquette's OT victory in the 2003 NCAA tournament.
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My source told me Missouri won 89-67
My source told me you are full of beans
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Only a practice scrimmage. We will be ready for Radford!
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Payback for Marquette's OT victory in the 2003 NCAA tournament.
Lazar gave them that.
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Only a practice scrimmage. We will be ready for Radford!
Team is young and now depressed, loss
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Lazar gave them that.
Ugh ... don't remind me!
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Actual game info, not giving away more than what has been said, the leading scorer was David Joplin.
But, the person who was told this (who messaged me) is of the opinion is still unsure if david will start right away.
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Actual game info, not giving away more than what has been said, the leading scorer was David Joplin.
But, the person who was told this (who messaged me) is of the opinion is still unsure if david will start right away.
Too lazy to start
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Actual game info, not giving away more than what has been said, the leading scorer was David Joplin.
But, the person who was told this (who messaged me) is of the opinion is still unsure if david will start right away.
Heard he got A LOT of shots up.
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Too lazy to start
And bad body language too.
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Interesting that a guy who is lazy and has bad.body language was just recognized by the coach as being the Domino of the week for his practice habits this week.
Maybe we should see if he is a new and improved player this season before we start ripping on him?
Just a thought.
https://twitter.com/coachshakasmart/status/1587089153639989251?s=61&t=-sLLSAT_3WEGZ8A5NYe2Lw
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Did MU and Mizzou sign a legal agreement to not share any scrimmage info? Crazy that info is not shared - every scrimmage has info shared.
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Interesting that a guy who is lazy and has bad.body language was just recognized by the coach as being the Domino of the week for his practice habits this week.
Maybe we should see if he is a new and improved player this season before we start ripping on him?
Just a thought.
https://twitter.com/coachshakasmart/status/1587089153639989251?s=61&t=-sLLSAT_3WEGZ8A5NYe2Lw
I guess I should have used teal. Didn't think it was needed. I took Newsdreams post the same way.
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I guess I should have used teal. Didn't think it was needed.
Sorry that I misinterpreted………you just never know on message boards.
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Sorry that I misinterpreted………you just never know on message boards.
You mean on scoop.
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He’ll be back the first second Marquette is down in a game
Sort of like you popping up with your nonsense anytime I am mentioned
Living rent free in your gourd.
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Asskickin'. aina?
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Heard he got A LOT of shots up.
Truth is leading scorer might not mean a lot.
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Heard he got A LOT of shots up.
Shooters shoot.
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Shooters shoot.
Chucker
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Sorry that I misinterpreted………you just never know on message boards.
We're good. Just having a little fun mimicking alleged fans who constantly criticize our players.
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Word leaks out when MU boatraces someone in a scrimmage. Makes you wonder when things remain silent what happened.
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Is Missouri supposed to be good this year?
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Is Missouri supposed to be good this year?
Ok-ish
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Word leaks out when MU boatraces someone in a scrimmage. Makes you wonder when things remain silent what happened.
You would think that the opposite would leak out from the Missouri board then.
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Chucker
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Hate chuckers.....specially non-traditionals
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Is Missouri supposed to be good this year?
They signed probably the two best available juco guys, picked up nick honor who was solid at Clemson, Isaiah Mosley who was awesome at Missouri state, Noah Carter who was really good at northern Iowa and two solid guys from cle state followed gates. Add Kobe brown and they have a ton of talent but lots of new parts and most guys haven’t played at an sec level yet.
My guess is they flirt with 500 in the league (sec second best conference this year in my book) and get into the tournament.
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Word leaks out when MU boatraces someone in a scrimmage. Makes you wonder when things remain silent what happened.
Its like you blatantly try to be as big a dolt as possible.
This flawed logic would have Mizzou shouting from the mountains they boatraced us.
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Its like you blatantly try to be as big a dolt as possible.
This flawed logic would have Mizzou shouting from the mountains they boatraced us.
Let him mope away
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Mizzou premium rivals board has 3 pages of posts on the Marquette scrimmage topic. Any one have access?
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Had to laugh when I looked at our page count on the subject with no information.
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Mizzou premium rivals board has 3 pages of posts on the Marquette scrimmage topic. Any one have access?
There are a couple of accounts to the result. Every source says Marquette won, but it was very competitive. Margin was either 8 or 12 points (12 is the number I heard from people I most trust). Joplin was the standout for Marquette. One of their players was really tough to deal with. Haven't heard a name attached but I suspect it was 6'8" 250-lb forward Kobe Brown. Kolek and both Jones were also impressive for MU. Haven't seen any statlines or box scores. Also heard our defense was very good.
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Had to laugh when I looked at our page count on the subject with no information.
Indeed. We can generate 460 some pages on literally...no message.
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Marquette won by 8.
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Marquette won by 8.
You say by 8 ?
MU winning by 12 confirmed !
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There are a couple of accounts to the result. Every source says Marquette won, but it was very competitive. Margin was either 8 or 12 points (12 is the number I heard from people I most trust). Joplin was the standout for Marquette. One of their players was really tough to deal with. Haven't heard a name attached but I suspect it was 6'8" 250-lb forward Kobe Brown. Kolek and both Jones were also impressive for MU. Haven't seen any statlines or box scores. Also heard our defense was very good.
Joplin szn ;-)
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You say by 8 ?
MU winning by 12 confirmed !
Could be 12. I posted before seeing Brew's post.
I was told by more than 1 person that Marquette won by 8, but if it was 12, that's even better! Also told that Marquette wasn't dominant at any one thing but didn't have an obvious weakness and were clearly more disciplined and connected on the court.
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There are a couple of accounts to the result. Every source says Marquette won, but it was very competitive. Margin was either 8 or 12 points (12 is the number I heard from people I most trust). Joplin was the standout for Marquette. One of their players was really tough to deal with. Haven't heard a name attached but I suspect it was 6'8" 250-lb forward Kobe Brown. Kolek and both Jones were also impressive for MU. Haven't seen any statlines or box scores. Also heard our defense was very good.
Would love to see Jop's stats
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Could be 12. I posted before seeing Brew's post.
I was told by more than 1 person that Marquette won by 8, but if it was 12, that's even better! Also told that Marquette wasn't dominant at any one thing but didn't have an obvious weakness and were clearly more disciplined and connected on the court.
Nice hedge
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While I'm happy to hear any reports out of a scrimmage, final score or score margin is of little concern. These aren't managed or coached like actual games.
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Could be 12. I posted before seeing Brew's post.
I was told by more than 1 person that Marquette won by 8, but if it was 12, that's even better! Also told that Marquette wasn't dominant at any one thing but didn't have an obvious weakness and were clearly more disciplined and connected on the court.
I had MU -10, so I really need to know.
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All I care about is lack of injuries and gaining experience.
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You say by 8 ?
MU winning by 12 confirmed !
Marquette clearly won by 10.
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Nice hedge
If was a Theo hedge, James Breeding already has his hand raised.
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Nice hedge
People like this guy are exactly what makes this board not worth the time.
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People like this guy are exactly what makes this board not worth the time.
It might be a female
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It might be a female
*they
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See, that was not so hard, wonder why the 3 day waiting period?
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See, that was not so hard, wonder why the 3 day waiting period?
Multiple recounts and hanging chads
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Multiple recounts and hanging chads
Wait!? Chad got a technical for hanging on the rim? Perhaps that explains the 4 point differential people have heard about.
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People like this guy are exactly what makes this board not worth the time.
A hedge is a hedge
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A hedge is a hedge
Not always
https://www.gardenista.com/posts/when-is-a-hedge-not-a-hedge/ (https://www.gardenista.com/posts/when-is-a-hedge-not-a-hedge/)
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Not always
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While I'm happy to hear any reports out of a scrimmage, final score or score margin is of little concern. These aren't managed or coached like actual games.
But they do affect NCAAT seeding.
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Not always
https://www.gardenista.com/posts/when-is-a-hedge-not-a-hedge/ (https://www.gardenista.com/posts/when-is-a-hedge-not-a-hedge/)
That’s a bush
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That’s a bush
Take away it's Heisman!
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A hedge is a hedge
Just don't be a Hedge-Hog ! ! ! 8-)
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See, that was not so hard, wonder why the 3 day waiting period?
Kenpom was on vacation so the algos didn't update until now
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Omax started at the 3 in both scrimmages. He will play the 3 on opening night. MU will not start 3 guards to start the year it will either be Writsil or Joplin as the 5th starter as the 4 position.
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Omax started at the 3 in both scrimmages. He will player the 3 on opening night. MU will not start 3 guards to start the year it will either be Writsil or Joplin as the 5th starter as the 4 position.
With Kolek and Kam or Kolek and Stevie?
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With Kolek and Kam or Kolek and Stevie?
I'm pretty convinced its Kam. I didn't even bother asking. I doubt he wouldn't start. He started more last year.
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Omax started at the 3 in both scrimmages. He will play the 3 on opening night. MU will not start 3 guards to start the year it will either be Writsil or Joplin as the 5th starter as the 4 position.
Hope it’s Joplin that starts at the four and if not that he gets the most minutes. Need his defense and rebounding to be good enough for this to happen. Love the offensive potential.
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With Kolek and Kam or Kolek and Stevie?
It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
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It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
Seems like Sean Jones is the real deal and will push for significant playing time. But my hope is Kolek has a monster year and we are deep as hell at the point guard spot.
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It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
Wrong.
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It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
No. Kolek's floor is just higher than every other guard we have. He was a NET positive offensive player without shooting competently last year and his defense was numerically comparable to Stevie's.
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No. Kolek's floor is just higher than every other guard we have. He was a NET positive offensive player without shooting competently last year and his defense was numerically comparable to Stevie's.
Yep - Kolek is the most important player to the teams success this season. We can greatly exceed my expectations if he improves his shooting while maintaining his floor spacing abilities.
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Glad to hear Joplin has raised his game. I was pretty skeptical about him contributing much this year, but sounds like he will be a solid player that occasionally goes off.
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Hope it’s Joplin that starts at the four and if not that he gets the most minutes. Need his defense and rebounding to be good enough for this to happen. Love the offensive potential.
Been high on Joplin since high school. He's going to be a massive piece this year and will probably be the most reliable scorer by end of season.
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It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
About 8 others beat me to this but this is just blatantly wrong.
Koleks starting spot is not in any trouble.
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It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
Seriously though, how does one even come to this kind of conclusion?? How hard do you try to not follow the team to think this could possibly be the case?
This isn't some sort of attack, I really want to understand how this happens.
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While I agree that TyKo is one of the most important pieces on this years team, I can see where the idea that he is the first replaceable starting lineup G comes from.
In this context, we are talking about a lineup with OMax at the 3, Jop/Wrightsil at the 4, and Oso at the 5, so a two guard lineup.
If one were to assume that Kam Jones stars on this team, either as leading or second leading scorer (which is a fair assessment at this point), AND TyKo struggles mightily with his shooting while Stevie or Sean Jones start to take the game by storm it would seem more logical that Tyler would be the guy that heads to the bench.
In most cases, I’d argue that in a two guard lineup Tyler and Kam are mortal locks to start, and continue to start the entire season. However, I’d say that it’s more conceivable that if one were to get replaced in the starting 5- again in a two guard starting lineup- it would by Tyler and not Kam. I do think that the first change, if needed, would be to a 3 guard starting lineup with Stevie/Sean, TyKo, and Kam.
Let’s not forget that Tyler lost plenty of his minutes later in the season last year as he faded, so it’s not that far fetched.
I will say though that if Tyler does lose his starting spot it’s probably a bad sign for Marquettes season as a whole
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It is Kam, the person most likely to lose their starting position is Kolek unless he can prove he can shoot.
Kolek is the least likely to lose his starting position this season, assuming he’s healthy.
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Let’s not forget that Tyler lost plenty of his minutes later in the season last year as he faded, so it’s not that far fetched.
He didn't really lose many minutes toward the end of the year. The first half of the BE season he averaged 30.7 mpg. The second half, including the BE, he averaged 28.2. If you exclude the clunker at Creighton, he averaged 29.5. He also started every game.
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Kolek is the least likely to lose his starting position this season, assuming he’s healthy.
I would say it's Oso, but Kolek is a very close second.
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Oso, because his back ups aren't ready for extended minutes.
Coach Smart:
TK is the linchpin.
Oso is the most important and will handle the ball more than any 6'10 player in the country.
Joplin could one day lead the Big East in scoring.
Mitchell and Sean are lock down defenders.
Kam and Omax are primed to break out.
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Oso, because his back ups aren't ready for extended minutes.
Extended, or ANY. That is the question.
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We just lost 6 of 9 of our last games and lost by 30 in the NCAA tournament. In this stretch we got killed by DePaul and swept by Creighton.
Having said the above nobody's job is safe or should be safe! Hate to state the obvious which this board never seems to do.
Kolek is very effective at times and can be the straw that stirs the MU offensive drink. However he also has his Worts, and when he's not hitting shots, not able to effectively penetrate, and turning the ball over... his blatant lack of athletic ability compared to the other guards just gets amplified and can lead to some ugly losses.
Let the best players play! After the 1st third of season is over it should be very clear who our starters and rotation should be... too early to tell right now.
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We just lost 6 of 9 of our last games and lost by 30 in the NCAA tournament. In this stretch we got killed by DePaul and swept by Creighton.
Having said the above nobody's job is safe or should be safe! Hate to state the obvious which this board never seems to do.
Kolek is very effective at times and can be the straw that stirs the MU offensive drink. However he also has his Worts, and when he's not hitting shots, not able to effectively penetrate, and turning the ball over... his blatant lack of athletic ability compared to the other guards just gets amplified and can lead to some ugly losses.
Let the best players play! After the 1st third of season is over it should be very clear who our starters and rotation should be... too early to tell right now.
I am sure that the best players will play, just like last year. Omax and Stevie. got hot at the end and played more. Kam quit hitting 3's and played less. Kur and Oso had minutes dictated by performance.
For me, the wild card starter is Wrightsil v Joplin. My instinct is to bring Joplin off the bench if Kam is starting. If Stevie starts over Kam, start Joplin. We will have a better idea next week.
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Wrong.
Absolutely correct.
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We just lost 6 of 9 of our last games and lost by 30 in the NCAA tournament. In this stretch we got killed by DePaul and swept by Creighton.
Having said the above nobody's job is safe or should be safe! Hate to state the obvious which this board never seems to do.
Kolek is very effective at times and can be the straw that stirs the MU offensive drink. However he also has his Worts, and when he's not hitting shots, not able to effectively penetrate, and turning the ball over... his blatant lack of athletic ability compared to the other guards just gets amplified and can lead to some ugly losses.
Let the best players play! After the 1st third of season is over it should be very clear who our starters and rotation should be... too early to tell right now.
In the final 9 games of the season. Kolek shot horrifically. 29% from 2. 35% from 3. A high TO% for 29%.
AND STILL he had a higher net rating than Kam Jones. Nice try.
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Is this amateur hour? Never mind that is 24/7 for this board?
Who ever said anything about Kam Jones? He’s definitely not a full-time 1.
If Sean jones is the best point that helps us win the most games then he should get the lion share of the minutes. If kolek is so be it but doesn’t mean it should be guaranteed it if we lose two games in a row. The bench is the best coach there is.
Now go back to your computer and find a new silly stat. In meantime let me know when you want to play one on one as I guarantee I’ll beat you without my calculator.
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We just lost 6 of 9 of our last games and lost by 30 in the NCAA tournament. In this stretch we got killed by DePaul and swept by Creighton.
Having said the above nobody's job is safe or should be safe! Hate to state the obvious which this board never seems to do.
Kolek is very effective at times and can be the straw that stirs the MU offensive drink. However he also has his Worts, and when he's not hitting shots, not able to effectively penetrate, and turning the ball over... his blatant lack of athletic ability compared to the other guards just gets amplified and can lead to some ugly losses.
Let the best players play! After the 1st third of season is over it should be very clear who our starters and rotation should be... too early to tell right now.
I believe Kolek had 10 assists against North Carolina, which is pretty amazing considering how bad MU shot in this game. Omax also played well. Lewis and Morsell stunk.
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While I agree that TyKo is one of the most important pieces on this years team, I can see where the idea that he is the first replaceable starting lineup G comes from.
In this context, we are talking about a lineup with OMax at the 3, Jop/Wrightsil at the 4, and Oso at the 5, so a two guard lineup.
If one were to assume that Kam Jones stars on this team, either as leading or second leading scorer (which is a fair assessment at this point), AND TyKo struggles mightily with his shooting while Stevie or Sean Jones start to take the game by storm it would seem more logical that Tyler would be the guy that heads to the bench.
In most cases, I’d argue that in a two guard lineup Tyler and Kam are mortal locks to start, and continue to start the entire season. However, I’d say that it’s more conceivable that if one were to get replaced in the starting 5- again in a two guard starting lineup- it would by Tyler and not Kam. I do think that the first change, if needed, would be to a 3 guard starting lineup with Stevie/Sean, TyKo, and Kam.
Let’s not forget that Tyler lost plenty of his minutes later in the season last year as he faded, so it’s not that far fetched.
I will say though that if Tyler does lose his starting spot it’s probably a bad sign for Marquettes season as a whole
I do not think the context is correct, because the starters will be Oso, Omax, Kolek and Kam. Wrightsil or Joplin would lose out if Sean Jones is the real deal. It will not be Kolek.
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Kolek is the least likely to lose his starting position this season, assuming he’s healthy.
Unless Shaka wants to play mind games with him
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Is this amateur hour? Never mind that is 24/7 for this board?
Who ever said anything about Kam Jones? He’s definitely not a full-time 1.
If Sean jones is the best point that helps us win the most games then he should get the lion share of the minutes. If kolek is so be it but doesn’t mean it should be guaranteed it if we lose two games in a row. The bench is the best coach there is.
Now go back to your computer and find a new silly stat. In meantime let me know when you want to play one on one as I guarantee I’ll beat you without my calculator.
::)
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Unless Shaka wants to play mind games with him
Shaka has Worts, too.
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Sean Jones and David Joplin have very high ceilings.
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Dr. B
I agree on Joplin and Sean Jones. Over the past two months I have had a number of guys that are basketball guys touting both Sean and Joplin to me numerous times. I love Sean, but beginning to believe that Joplin is going to be the real deal.
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So has the narrative changed from preseason possible NBA talent OMax taking a Justin sized leap to DavidJop now taking that leap??
I will say that despite there not being a ton of actual visibility this preseason, there is quite a bit of hype around a team projected to finish so low in conference, and that’s a good thing.
Can’t wait til the ball is tipped!
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Doctor V
I am still very high on OMax and did not have extremely high expectations for Joplin going into the season until I started to hear very positive reports on his development. I noted after the practice last week that OMax did nothing special, but still have high hopes that he makes a nice leap this season. As for Joplin, I am saying that it looks like his upside is quite high, but it might be this season or a year from now.
My expectations for this year are higher than they were a year ago. At this time last year, I believed that MU would have a bid locked up in late Feb and not be a bubble team. I believe we will get a bid and be a higher seed than last season. Last year Lewis was a big part of the great run and I think it will be a number of guys being part of a surprising season.
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I’m going to be cautiously optimistic about Joplin. I remember when Akanno was playing great in Pro-Am’s against NBA guys and never panned out.
If his defense has improved that allows him to stay on the court, I think that provides a lot of upside to our chances this year.
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So has the narrative changed from preseason possible NBA talent OMax taking a Justin sized leap to DavidJop now taking that leap??
I will say that despite there not being a ton of actual visibility this preseason, there is quite a bit of hype around a team projected to finish so low in conference, and that’s a good thing.
Can’t wait til the ball is tipped!
Omax taking the NBA/near NBA leap is 100% predicated on his defensive ability, his size, and his rather high FT%. He is 6'8" 230. Can guard 1-5 at an NCAA level. 1-4 at an NBA level (but they play small ball now). He shot 82% from the line and 33% from 3 in conference play meaning his shot coachable to every NBA coach. He basically out defended the BIG10 defensive player of the year last year. He is both a laterally and vertically athlete. He has the body control to be a good slasher.
Joplin's great i like him he has a way to go from the time we last saw him. He is 6-7 220 ish. Can create off the dribble well. His strength and shooting ability are his strengths, even though his shooting last year wasn't the best. He is a good but not an overwhelming athlete. His good enough horizontally to be a college starter, but i don't feel he is elite. I also doubt he is as strong at defending vertically. I just don't want him defending a guard or a center yet until i see it.
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Here we go again comparing Joplin’s hype/expectations to Dexter’s.
Anyone who was excited about Dexter based off an edited video of a pickup game was delusional. As buzz once said about Dwight Burke “he just ain’t that good”
You could see last year that Jop belonged and had skill. This year he’ll prove it with a much more consistent role.
I have much higher expectations for Jop than Omax
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Here we go again comparing Joplin’s hype/expectations to Dexter’s.
Anyone who was excited about Dexter based off an edited video of a pickup game was delusional. As buzz once said about Dwight Burke “he just ain’t that good”
You could see last year that Jop belonged and had skill. This year he’ll prove it with a much more consistent role.
I have much higher expectations for Jop than Omax
As a scorer this year, sure i can see it As a long term basketball player, this is a guess. As and overall basketball player this year, Omax gets more minutes this year baring something wild.
We still don't know if the 5th starter is Joplin or Writsil and i get the argument for each. Personal opinion you probably want to play Writsil with Kam Jones, and Stevie with Joplin.
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I say that because I think we know what Omax is. He’s a solid role player who will play the majority of minutes cuz he’s pretty good at defense and he has flashes on offense but IMO he’s very inconsistent. I don’t really see a huge jump, I think he’ll have a similar season to last year
I think Joplin makes a huge jump and becomes a go to guy. Expectation wise, mine are greater for him because I expect more from him.
This is all speculation and guesses. We’ll find out soon
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Jop will show huge growth. OMax will be better than last year...same for TK. Oso worries me a bit...he's what we have...love the kid...but he'll need to rebound and play defense at a high level. Kam is going to be the guy. Will be interesting to see what Shaka does when Oso isn't in the game.
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Doctor V
I am still very high on OMax and did not have extremely high expectations for Joplin going into the season until I started to hear very positive reports on his development. I noted after the practice last week that OMax did nothing special, but still have high hopes that he makes a nice leap this season. As for Joplin, I am saying that it looks like his upside is quite high, but it might be this season or a year from now.
My expectations for this year are higher than they were a year ago. At this time last year, I believed that MU would have a bid locked up in late Feb and not be a bubble team. I believe we will get a bid and be a higher seed than last season. Last year Lewis was a big part of the great run and I think it will be a number of guys being part of a surprising season.
Brother Goose:
My sentiments exactly.
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Joplin's struggles last season on the defensive end are not atypical from a freshman. He is mobile/athletic/strong enough to succeed on that side of the floor, especially under Shaka's tutelage. I don't expect him to be a liability defensively this year which will allow his big time offensive potential to flourish.
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I am higher on Omax than Joplin based on what was shown last year. Joplin has farther to go to break out. I think Jop plays 20+ minutes. I think Omax plays close to 30 because of his size and versatility. I think there will be games where Jop goes for 20 and Omax still does more to help the team win. I also think there will be games where Joplin carries the team. Can't wait to start watching instead of guessing.
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As a scorer this year, sure i can see it As a long term basketball player, this is a guess. As and overall basketball player this year, Omax gets more minutes this year baring something wild.
We still don't know if the 5th starter is Joplin or Writsil and i get the argument for each. Personal opinion you probably want to play Writsil with Kam Jones, and Stevie with Joplin.
Shaka has mentioned that Wrightsil is behind due to his injury and surgery. I imagine this means that Zach has some work to do before he gets minutes.
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So has the narrative changed from preseason possible NBA talent OMax taking a Justin sized leap to DavidJop now taking that leap??
I will say that despite there not being a ton of actual visibility this preseason, there is quite a bit of hype around a team projected to finish so low in conference, and that’s a good thing.
Can’t wait til the ball is tipped!
It is funny that there was like a 2-3 month long push on this board where a ton of guys just started saying Omax was going to breakout and become the next Justin. Then it just seemed to disappear and now everyone seems much more reserved on his prospects. Just an observation
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Hound
I still think OMax has a big year, and he would be my pick for team MVP.
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I'm pretty certain that OMax will log more minutes than and be a more valuable player this season. I've heard great things from people who know ball about Joplin's offense. I haven't heard those people talking up his defense. Jop will get minutes for his offense but Shaka values defense. You have to defend in order to play for him. I think Jop has made progress on the defensive end but is still not to the level it needs to be. Still, Jop should play major minutes.
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Student journalists are saying the starters for the Loyola Scrimmage was Tyler Kolek, Stevie Mitchell, Kam Jones, O-Max, and Oso. But i also heard from a second hand that another player said Omax is playing the 3 now.
Weird.
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https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1588581682134802433?s=61&t=JaUPpJ4DCMDwEdBNWNJQeA
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In the final 9 games of the season. Kolek shot horrifically. 29% from 2. 35% from 3.
Wasn’t quite 35%, but wouldn’t call that horrific
Truth be told, Kolek shot 43.9% eFG% in the last 9 games compared to 38.9% in all games prior to the last nine
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Wasn’t quite 35%, but wouldn’t call that horrific
Truth be told, Kolek shot 43.9% eFG% in the last 9 games compared to 38.9% in all games prior to the last nine
I used hoop explorer and had a filter for garbage time to be thrown out. It appeared to be 35.5% form three and 44.8% efg.
My point was just that Kolek in our worst point of the season, wasn't even the worst of our projected starting guards in that stretch. Someone tried to say that Kolek using the last 9 games was on the hot seat in our starting lineup, when that couldn't be further from the truth.
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I think Joplin is a very good player when his three is going in. I did not see anything last year that tells me he should be on the floor when his shot is not falling. That was last year, this year remains to be seen.
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Wasn’t quite 35%, but wouldn’t call that horrific
Truth be told, Kolek shot 43.9% eFG% in the last 9 games compared to 38.9% in all games prior to the last nine
Needs to be up from when he was at his best.
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Shaka said Marquette played without one of it's best players against Loyola due to a hard fall very early in the scrimmage.
If the info about Marquette cruising to a victory is true, they cruised to victory without one of it's best players. That's great to hear.
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Its vs. it’s
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Its vs. it’s
Autocorrect it's everytime. See it did it again.
It's just one of those things. It's gonna be alright.
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Hey, one more time for the record. Did we beat the TBT team in a scrimmage this summer or at least play very well against them unlike some previous years? I thought I remember someone posting that although I could have been drinking bourbon that day. Just curious and thanks in advance.
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MU blew them out, by 20 at least
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Hey, one more time for the record. Did we beat the TBT team in a scrimmage this summer or at least play very well against them unlike some previous years? I thought I remember someone posting that although I could have been drinking bourbon that day. Just curious and thanks in advance.
Yes they did beat them this year and it was by a comfortable margin. Some caveats, I believe the TBT team was missing several players including Jamil, Diener, Acker, and DJO. One of Wojo's teams (I think Howard's senior year) also beat the TBT team and still underperformed, and this year's TBT team had gotten old.
MU blew them out, by 20 at least
I heard this about Loyola not the TBT team though it was a comfortable margin.
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https://youtu.be/kf44M7i4h10
Shaka media today
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Thanks TAMU!
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https://youtu.be/kf44M7i4h10
Shaka media today
Hard not to watch Shaka's press conferences and not feel GREAT about his vision, knowledge, insight and realize he has "it" and the intangibles necessary to be a really good head coach. I suspect we will see far less transferring out of MU than we've seen in the past under Wojo/Buzz/Crean, even though it has never been easier for a college basketball player to transfer.
This team is going to surprise to the upside. Can't wait for the season to kick off and see just how tenacious we are defensively. My feeling is that we will be so disruptive that our rebounding weakness will be mitigated by creating a lot of extra possessions through turnovers which of course limits the opposition's shot attempts and thus exposing us to fewer possessions to close out with a rebound.
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Hard not to watch Shaka's press conferences and not feel GREAT about his vision, knowledge, insight and realize he has "it" and the intangibles necessary to be a really good head coach. I suspect we will see far less transferring out of MU than we've seen in the past under Wojo/Buzz/Crean, even though it has never been easier for a college basketball player to transfer.
This team is going to surprise to the upside. Can't wait for the season to kick off and see just how tenacious we are defensively. My feeling is that we will be so disruptive that our rebounding weakness will be mitigated by creating a lot of extra possessions through turnovers which of course limits the opposition's shot attempts and thus exposing us to more possessions to close out with a rebound.
Agree about the transfers.
As for the D, that would be Shaka's brand. Would love to see it this season.
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Agree about the transfers.
As for the D, that would be Shaka's brand. Would love to see it this season.
I think we will see really good defense this year...perhaps finishing in the 20-30 range in KenPom...just based off of how Shaka's teams have performed historically. Year 2 in the system for most of our guys and I tend to think Wrightsill and Stevie are better defenders than Justin and Darryl, respectively. TBD.
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I think we will see really good defense this year...perhaps finishing in the 20-30 range in KenPom...just based off of how Shaka's teams have performed historically. Year 2 in the system for most of our guys and I tend to think Wrightsill and Stevie are better defenders than Justin and Darryl, respectively. TBD.
I'd love for Stevie to be a better defender than someone who won a high major conference's Defensive Player of the Year award.
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https://youtu.be/kf44M7i4h10
Shaka media today
Shaka asked that fans not be too quick to judge any player.
He must be new around here!
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Jimmy Butler says hi...
Shaka asked that fans not be too quick to judge any player.
He must be new around here!
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I'd love for Stevie to be a better defender than someone who won a high major conference's Defensive Player of the Year award.
Yea..Morsell came in with that accolade from the Big 10, yet in my view I didn't feel his defense last year was much better than Stevie's. Seemed that Stevie made his presence felt defensively almost every time he played.
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Yea..Morsell came in with that accolade from the Big 10, yet in my view I didn't feel his defense last year was much better than Stevie's. Seemed that Stevie made his presence felt defensively almost every time he played.
It’s a lot easier to be effective defensively when you’re asked to do nothing at all offensively and asked to play 10 mpg vs. be option number 2 offensively and sometimes totally carry the load and play 30 minutes per game.
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Dr. B
I agree on Joplin and Sean Jones. Over the past two months I have had a number of guys that are basketball guys touting both Sean and Joplin to me numerous times. I love Sean, but beginning to believe that Joplin is going to be the real deal.
Yup. …in HS in Brookfield, WI, Joplin easily held his own against Patrick Baldwin Jr. In fact, maybe better. Baldwin is now a rook w/GS. I’m thinking Joplin will be very good this season.
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Yup. …in HS in Brookfield, WI, Joplin easily held his own against Patrick Baldwin Jr. In fact, maybe better. Baldwin is now a rook w/GS. I’m thinking Joplin will be very good this season.
Must have been Baldwin JR Year. Baldwin hasn't been healthy since like 2019. Plus i think BC had like 3-4 low D1 guys on it. Baldwins HS teams were full of guys who really couldnt play.
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Kind of like Morsell at Maryland?
It’s a lot easier to be effective defensively when you’re asked to do nothing at all offensively and asked to play 10 mpg vs. be option number 2 offensively and sometimes totally carry the load and play 30 minutes per game.
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Kind of like Morsell at Maryland?
He played 30 mpg at Maryland.
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It’s a lot easier to be effective defensively when you’re asked to do nothing at all offensively and asked to play 10 mpg vs. be option number 2 offensively and sometimes totally carry the load and play 30 minutes per game.
Yeah..I don't disagree with you on this point. However, I feel Stevie can take another step up/take on more minutes and still be a very good/disruptive defender in Year 2 - to where the fall off from Morsell won't be much.
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Morsell was the 4th or 5th scoring option at Maryland.
He played 30 mpg at Maryland.
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Morsell was the 4th or 5th scoring option at Maryland.
Aware. He also played 30 minutes per game compared to Stevie playing 10 minutes per game. You can play max effort if you’re playing 2 minute spurts. Harder to do if you’re in almost the entire game.
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Stevie may very well become a Morsell lock down type defender. Stevie was not on morsell’s level last year or he would’ve played more than 8 or so mins/game….
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Aware. He also played 30 minutes per game compared to Stevie playing 10 minutes per game. You can play max effort if you’re playing 2 minute spurts. Harder to do if you’re in almost the entire game.
Been 20 yrs since I could play 30 mins of BB
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Been 20 yrs since I could play 30 mins of BB
Cumulatively
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Cumulatively
So much rain, need to mope
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I love everybody. Let's play some basketball.
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I love everybody. Let's play some basketball.
This is very socialist of you
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I would have said that it is very 'new-testament-words-of-Jesus' centered. Potato, potahto.
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I would have said that it is very 'new-testament-words-of-Jesus' centered. Potato, potahto.
Jesus was a hippie
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Jesus was a hippie
Long hair, sandals. Heck probably listened to Jefferson Airplane.
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Long hair, sandals. Heck probably listened to Jefferson Airplane.
Gym rat, though. Coaches son. QB of the court. Took charges. Floor slapper. Wouldn’t dunk, though.
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Long hair, sandals. Heck probably listened to Norman Greenbaum.
FIFY
Maybe some specific Andrew Lloyd Weber.
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Gym rat, though. Coaches son. QB of the court. Took charges. Floor slapper. Wouldn’t dunk, though.
Reminds me of Travis.
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Reminds me of Travis.
But wine and not beer
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FIFY
Maybe some specific Andrew Lloyd Weber.
You could be right, but my source, who I completely trust, told me that he was secretly in Woodstock where he became obsessed with the Airplane.
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Gym rat, though. Coaches son. QB of the court. Took charges. Floor slapper. Wouldn’t dunk, though.
Fake news. Fans loved his trademark "Ascension Dunk."
https://www.theonion.com/christ-returns-to-nba-1819563859/amp
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Probably was suspended by the NCAA for spending too much time challenging the powers that be.
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You could be right, but my source, who I completely trust, told me that he was secretly in Woodstock where he became obsessed with the Airplane.
Good Shepards fly pauper not entitled class. RGV
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Good Shepards fly pauper not entitled class. RGV
You got it doc
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Jesus had one letter writer on his 12 man roster.
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Fake news. Fans loved his trademark "Ascension Dunk."
https://www.theonion.com/christ-returns-to-nba-1819563859/amp
I’m surprised TAMU doesn’t talk about Jesus’ time at Texas A & M more considering him led them to the Sweet 16 his junior year.
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Long hair, sandals. Heck probably listened to Jefferson Airplane.
Believed in miracles, aina?
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Believed in miracles, aina?
Maybe he will do a reverse of his miracle at Cana and change some of the Scoop whines into water. Works for me.
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Speaking of which, last week’s gospel was from Luke. I was reminded of a few vertically challenged Scoopers.
Zacchaeus was portrayed in the Bible as a sinful tax collector and despised by the crowd. He was also portrayed as someone who, despite his height and inability to see Jesus, found his way by climbing a sycamore tree. And finally, he was the person that Jesus saw and demanded to stay in his house.
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Believed in miracles, aina?
He actually performed them....
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Stevie may very well become a Morsell lock down type defender. Stevie was not on morsell’s level last year or he would’ve played more than 8 or so mins/game….
The reason Stevie didn’t play more had nothing to do with his defense. His defense was outstanding. Where he was nowhere near Morsell’s level was on the offensive end.
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The reason Stevie didn’t play more had nothing to do with his defense. His defense was outstanding. Where he was nowhere near Morsell’s level was on the offensive end.
Agreed Lenny. Stevie did start to look more comfortable on offense toward the end of the season though. I hope that carries over and he is offensively capable this year. He could be a big part of the success of this team if so. His leadership abilities seem off the charts.
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Mizzou opened the season by beating Southern Indiana by 6. Southern Indiana shot 20/28 and 14/17 from 3 in the second half.
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Mizzou opened the season by beating Southern Indiana by 6. Southern Indiana shot 20/28 and 14/17 from 3 in the second half.
How Mizzou and Loyola looked in their first games, helps explain how we beat both of them. And especially how we handled to Loyola with very little Oso.
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Mizzou opened the season by beating Southern Indiana by 6. Southern Indiana shot 20/28 and 14/17 from 3 in the second half.
We're screwed. Just like Creighton, as they could barely beat Year 2 in D-1, St. Thomas. Think the moral of the story is: Don't get too worked up about early season results, so long as you win.
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We're screwed. Just like Creighton, as they could barely beat Year 2 in D-1, St. Thomas. Think the moral of the story is: Don't get too worked up about early season results, so long as you win.
Sorry for sharing some results that might give some context. I’ll keep in mind it might upset you next time.
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We're screwed. Just like Creighton, as they could barely beat Year 2 in D-1, St. Thomas. Think the moral of the story is: Don't get too worked up about early season results, so long as you win.
Big East sucks Ners
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At the Mizzou vs. Mississippi Valley State game tonight. Mizzou leads by 3 at half. Mississippi Valley State lost to Baylor by 64 earlier this year…
Mizzou isn’t great. Their point guard looks very similar (in appearance, not game) to Dominic James.
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At the Mizzou vs. Mississippi Valley State game tonight. Mizzou leads by 3 at half. Mississippi Valley State lost to Baylor by 64 earlier this year…
Mizzou isn’t great. Their point guard looks very similar (in appearance, not game) to Dominic James.
That surprises me a bit. I thought they’d be decent. Between them and Loyola Chicago being HORRIBLE so far, maybe the scrimmage results don’t mean much 🤷🏻♂️