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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: DegenerateDish on February 14, 2019, 11:02:45 AM
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As a teenager, I caddied from high school through my years at MU. I think Kuchar massively eff’d up here. Not saying he needed to pay the traditional 10% here, but $50k probably would have never made this a story. His doubling down on this, and his agent making the optics look worse...not a good look for Kuch.
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Odd, as he has always had a reputation as one of the good guys.
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He offered the caddy $15K, and it was turned down by the caddy.
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He should have paid the traditional 10 percent.
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He offered the caddy $15K, and it was turned down by the caddy.
Because it was an insult.
$50k would've done it, but now he's got a crapstorm and every attendant, caddy and ballwasher are posting Kuchar stories on Twitter. Guy is cheap.
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Because it was an insult.
$50k would've done it, but now he's got a crapstorm and every attendant, caddy and ballwasher are posting Kuchar stories on Twitter. Guy is cheap.
Probably, I'm merely adding a few more pieces of information to the thread. It is my understanding they agreed on a fee of $4K. Kuch paid him $5K and offered him and additional $15K for $20K total. Caddy said no. That caddy saying good things about Kuch, which is wise of caddy. It appears both sides were agreeable to the terms which the caddy admits. Only providing other information here. Kuch lived by the terms so did the caddy. If Kuch wants to give more, that's certainly up to him and would "make things go away", but he isn't stiffing anyone and offered to pay him more than what was agreed upon. Maybe in Kuch's mind a deal is a deal, I don't know and don't pretend to be in his head.
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Probably, I'm merely adding a few more pieces of information to the thread. It is my understanding they agreed on a fee of $4K. Kuch paid him $5K and offered him and additional $15K for $20K total. Caddy said no. That caddy saying good things about Kuch, which is wise of caddy. It appears both sides were agreeable to the terms which the caddy admits. Only providing other information here. Kuch lived by the terms so did the caddy. If Kuch wants to give more, that's certainly up to him and would "make things go away", but he isn't stiffing anyone and offered to pay him more than what was agreed upon. Maybe in Kuch's mind a deal is a deal, I don't know and don't pretend to be in his head.
No one's making a legal argument, they're making a moral one.
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No one's making a legal argument, they're making a moral one.
What’s the moral argument? A deal isn’t a deal? Or paying $20K isn’t enough, which was a huge increase over the agreed upon amount. I’m really curious what the morality angle here is. He offered to pay him 400% more than what was agreed to. Where is the morality cut off? Does it matter that he isn't a permanent caddy for him and was a stand in essentially? I don't know, merely asking.
He could make this all go away by paying him off, but I don't see it as a moral argument. He lived by what was agreed upon. If he didn't, then it is an ethical and moral argument. He offered well above what was agreed upon, which he didn't have to do.
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The problem is the caddy had zero negotiating power in the original offer. Kuchar, and any pro golfer, is a brand. The caddy, to his credit, went to the agent asking (rightfully so) for more money. Having caddied in pro am’s and a million club tournaments, if your guy/gal wins, you’re getting more cash. Kuchar’s agent handled it atrociously and didn’t even consider the brand damages for a measly $50k. I don’t think the caddy should have got the normal 10%, but Kuch should have known better than giving him $5k and then doubling down behind it. He looks worse every hour that goes by, when this never should have reached the news. Really poor job here.
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What’s the moral argument? A deal isn’t a deal? Or paying $20K isn’t enough, which was a huge increase over the agreed upon amount. I’m really curious what the morality angle here is. He offered to pay him 400% more than what was agreed to. Where is the morality cut off? Does it matter that he isn't a permanent caddy for him and was a stand in essentially? I don't know, merely asking.
He could make this all go away by paying him off, but I don't see it as a moral argument. He lived by what was agreed upon. If he didn't, then it is an ethical and moral argument. He offered well above what was agreed upon, which he didn't have to do.
The morality angle is that he underpaid someone because he thought he could get away with it. When confronted and still offered the opportunity to get out cheaper than the industry standard 10% fare, he low balled the guy again because he thought he could get away with it.
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What’s the moral argument? A deal isn’t a deal? Or paying $20K isn’t enough, which was a huge increase over the agreed upon amount. I’m really curious what the morality angle here is. He offered to pay him 400% more than what was agreed to. Where is the morality cut off? Does it matter that he isn't a permanent caddy for him and was a stand in essentially? I don't know, merely asking.
He could make this all go away by paying him off, but I don't see it as a moral argument. He lived by what was agreed upon. If he didn't, then it is an ethical and moral argument. He offered well above what was agreed upon, which he didn't have to do.
I imagine the argument goes along the lines of ...
"Why is this guy not paying his Mexican caddy what would be the standard wage for an American caddy at a tournament played in the states? Why does this guy who's easily made more than $50 million as a professional golfer think he's being generous by paying what amounts to a .03 percent tip?"
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https://twitter.com/squashems/status/1095441977175207936?s=19
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I imagine the argument goes along the lines of ...
"Why is this guy not paying his Mexican caddy what would be the standard wage for an American caddy at a tournament played in the states? Why does this guy who's easily made more than $50 million as a professional golfer think he's being generous by paying what amounts to a .03 percent tip?"
Ah, so it's a racist thing.....deals only matter with Americans dealing with Americans?
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Should have torn up the deal and given the substitute caddy what he would have given his regular caddy.
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https://twitter.com/squashems/status/1095441977175207936?s=19
Do we know if this is real? Do we know if this guy was a jackhole server? I guess since it is on the internet, especially the paragon of virtue...Twitter...it has to be true.
But let's explore a bit more, the Twitter user says he is from Northwest Iowa and served Kuchar two days ago per the receipt.
I mean, yeah pro golfers are playing in Northwest Iowa in middle of February is the norm. Even more strange is that Kuchar was here in California last week at Pebble and again this week here in Los Angeles playing at Riviera. So I guess he was in Iowa two days ago, just for kicks, but teeing off today at Riviera while also practicing at Riviera yesterday. Sure, I'll buy that.
You've been had. What else are you believing to be true?
Meanwhile at the same event Kuchar won, Zach Johnson's caddie fell ill and Matt Kuchar's wife stepped in to caddy. I hope she was paid to do so. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2018/11/08/matt-kuchar-wife-steps-zach-johnson-emergency-caddie/1933235002/
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Do we know if this is real? Do we know if this guy was a jackhole server? I guess since it is on the internet, especially the paragon of virtue...Twitter...it has to be true.
But let's explore a bit more, the Twitter user says he is from Northwest Iowa and served Kuchar two days ago per the receipt.
I mean, yeah pro golfers are playing in Northwest Iowa in middle of February is the norm. Even more strange is that Kuchar was here in California last week at Pebble and again this week here in Los Angeles playing at Riviera. So I guess he was in Iowa two days ago, just for kicks, but teeing off today at Riviera while also practicing at Riviera yesterday. Sure, I'll buy that.
You've been had. What else are you believing to be true?
Meanwhile at the same event Kuchar won, Zach Johnson's caddie fell ill and Matt Kuchar's wife stepped in to caddy. I hope she was paid to do so. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2018/11/08/matt-kuchar-wife-steps-zach-johnson-emergency-caddie/1933235002/
https://bustedcoverage.com/2019/02/12/matt-kuchars-gets-dragged-again-by-golf-media-for-giving-caddie-5k-after-winning-1-296-million/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Should have torn up the deal and given the substitute caddy what he would have given his regular caddy.
Why? #dealsnomatta? What happened to an honest deal, two sides agreeing? What's more, Kuchar went WAY above the deal.
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https://bustedcoverage.com/2019/02/12/matt-kuchars-gets-dragged-again-by-golf-media-for-giving-caddie-5k-after-winning-1-296-million/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Sorry, so you still believe the fake receipt from Iowa? That's amazing.
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Ah, so it's a racist thing.....deals only matter with Americans dealing with Americans?
You have once again picked out something you can twist into a straw man to avoid defending your stance.
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You have once again picked out something you can twist into a straw man to avoid defending your stance.
No, once again someone has made a racial issue out of something that isn't....once again....like so many other times.
I can defend quite easily what happened and have. An agreement was in place. Both sides agreed to it. The caddy was local, no expenses incurred like tour caddies. The player honored the agreement and even gave him more. Now, that doesn't mean I agree with what Kuchar did and he EASILY could make this go away by paying him more, but his actions are easily defensible just as well where a deal is a deal. My recommendation to him is just to pay the guy, for which he will get very little credit anyway as social media and fauxraged will slam on him no matter what. That may be why Kuchar is digging in at this point, but who knows.
More importantly, why is it that apparently deals don't matter? It's an outage when management doesn't pay a player, for example, his / her true market worth....but hey if the player underperforms, by golly management doesn't get any of the money back for overpaying because a contract is a contract. Fans are a funny bunch.
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Do we know if this is real? Do we know if this guy was a jackhole server? I guess since it is on the internet, especially the paragon of virtue...Twitter...it has to be true.
But let's explore a bit more, the Twitter user says he is from Northwest Iowa and served Kuchar two days ago per the receipt.
I mean, yeah pro golfers are playing in Northwest Iowa in middle of February is the norm. Even more strange is that Kuchar was here in California last week at Pebble and again this week here in Los Angeles playing at Riviera. So I guess he was in Iowa two days ago, just for kicks, but teeing off today at Riviera while also practicing at Riviera yesterday. Sure, I'll buy that.
You've been had. What else are you believing to be true?
Meanwhile at the same event Kuchar won, Zach Johnson's caddie fell ill and Matt Kuchar's wife stepped in to caddy. I hope she was paid to do so. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2018/11/08/matt-kuchar-wife-steps-zach-johnson-emergency-caddie/1933235002/
"From"
My Twitter says I'm from Central Illinois. Where I haven't lived since graduating high school
Do I know it's true? No.
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That tip is very unlikely as they tagged CPG. However, is all the negative press worth the money? Should've just paid El Tucan.
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"From"
My Twitter says I'm from Central Illinois. Where I haven't lived since graduating high school
Do I know it's true? No.
Well considering who he claims is his congressmen, who is from Iowa, from three weeks ago.... I'm going to go with you have been had by a fake tweet.
https://twitter.com/squashems/status/1089037975080628224
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The whole "he usually doesn't make this much so he should be happy" line, while I don't think is racist, comes off as "ugly American." Throwing him an extra $1,000 is pretty paternalistic.
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The whole "he usually doesn't make this much so he should be happy" line, while I don't think is racist, comes off as "ugly American." Throwing him an extra $1,000 is pretty paternalistic.
He threw him an extra $15K
“I am not looking to disparage Matt or give him a bad name. Fair is fair, and I feel like I was taken advantage of by placing my trust in Matt.” - Ortiz
Which is it? Fair is fair? Or taken advantage of? This guy says two things in one sentence. Is fair based on the deal he agreed to, or not?
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Well considering who he claims is his congressmen, who is from Iowa, from three weeks ago.... I'm going to go with you have been had by a fake tweet.
https://twitter.com/squashems/status/1089037975080628224
I believe it.
Kuch's character revealed
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He threw him an extra $15K
When he (not legally, but morally) owed him an extra $125,000 and the guy only wanted another $45,000.
If you round up to the nearest dollar on a restaurant bill, should the server be happy because it's more than you technically owed them?
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He threw him an extra $15K
“I am not looking to disparage Matt or give him a bad name. Fair is fair, and I feel like I was taken advantage of by placing my trust in Matt.” - Ortiz
Which is it? Fair is fair? Or taken advantage of? This guy says two things in one sentence. Is fair based on the deal he agreed to, or not?
His agent offered an extra $15k, and Kuchar didn't sound like he was on the same page with that. The agent offered it after this story surfaced a month ago and El Tucan called up.
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Ah, so it's a racist thing.....deals only matter with Americans dealing with Americans?
Straw man alert.
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I think the caddie’s lack of bargaining power is born mostly from the fact that he hit zero fairways, had zero GIR and didn’t even sniff a birdie putt.
Most of the older guys on tour subscribe to Jack Nicklaus’ rule of the 3 Up’s for caddies: show up, keep up and shut up. They don’t view it as a collaborative effort. The caddie hands them their club and carries their bag.
Not how it is now for most players. Caddies are part of the decision making process, they help with alignment (well no more if that starting this year) read putts and even play sports psychologist when needed. When acting in that capacity, they’ve earned every penny of their 10%.
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No, once again someone has made a racial issue out of something that isn't....once again....like so many other times.
The only one injecting race is you as a lame effort to shift the narrative.
And, fyi, "Mexican" is no more a race than American is a race, and in this instance in particular the term was used to describe the caddy's geographical circumstance, i.e. Kuchar is a cheapskate who wanted to get away with paying his Mexican caddy less than his American caddy.
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Write a check be done with it. PR 101.
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He threw him an extra $15K
After the initial $1k increase from $4k.
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Why? #dealsnomatta? What happened to an honest deal, two sides agreeing? What's more, Kuchar went WAY above the deal.
The deal was payment for Caddying services. There is an industry standard of 10% of a win going to the caddie. Those are handshake deals, not part of the official deal for simply Caddying.
So yeah, he is a jackA$$. Both parties were fully aware of the industry standard. Kuchar decided to ignore it.
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He should have fun at the WGC event coming up.
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The only one injecting race is you as a lame effort to shift the narrative.
And, fyi, "Mexican" is no more a race than American is a race, and in this instance in particular the term was used to describe the caddy's geographical circumstance, i.e. Kuchar is a cheapskate who wanted to get away with paying his Mexican caddy less than his American caddy.
I will fix it for you.
He had a deal, wanted to pay a part time, local caddy less than a permanent caddy. Ethnicity, race, creed, gender, nationality had nothing to do with it but I am not surprised that’s where you went. Of course you know what is in Kichar’s heart and mind, I mean how couldn’t you and the fact he was Mexican is what drove all the thinking and actions. Wow.
He’s not his permanent caddy, they had a deal....deals apparently don’t matter any longer. Let me guess, if Kuchar finished dead last and the caddy gave wrong advice, Kuchar cutting his pay would have perfectly acceptable...right? Or a dead is a deal in that regard, right?
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“For a guy who makes $200 a day, a $5,000 week is a really big week,” [Kuchar] said.
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Scoop gets hard to read when Chicos gets into his "rich white males are so persecuted, everything is so scrutinized in today's social media world" moods.
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I will fix it for you.
He had a deal, wanted to pay a part time, local caddy less than a permanent caddy. Ethnicity, race, creed, gender, nationality had nothing to do with it but I am not surprised that’s where you went. Of course you know what is in Kichar’s heart and mind, I mean how couldn’t you and the fact he was Mexican is what drove all the thinking and actions. Wow.
He’s not his permanent caddy, they had a deal....deals apparently don’t matter any longer. Let me guess, if Kuchar finished dead last and the caddy gave wrong advice, Kuchar cutting his pay would have perfectly acceptable...right? Or a dead is a deal in that regard, right?
1. The problem is that the deal was unfair from the start and took advantage of the caddy's circumstances rather than pay his the well-established value of his services.
2. You can always tell when Chico's is frothing at the mouth by when he starts ranting against arguments that exist only in his mind.
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I imagine the argument goes along the lines of ...
"Why is this guy not paying his Mexican caddy what would be the standard wage for an American caddy at a tournament played in the states? Why does this guy who's easily made more than $50 million as a professional golfer think he's being generous by paying what amounts to a .03 percent tip?"
You were the one that first brought up the caddy's ethnicity. Not sure how that gives you the high horse to dog the bondsman about this issue.
FWIW, I knew nothing about this story before reading it here and had no idea the caddy was Mexican until you posted the above fake argument.
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You were the one that first brought up the caddy's ethnicity. Not sure how that gives you the high horse to dog the bondsman about this issue.
FWIW, I knew nothing about this story before reading it here and had no idea the caddy was Mexican until you posted the above fake argument.
You had no clue that a local caddy in Mexico City named David Ortiz might be Mexican?
I mean, yeah, how could you have possibly known?
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You had no clue that a local caddy in Mexico City named David Ortiz might be Mexican?
I mean, yeah, how could you have possibly known?
I knew nothing of the story except for what was posted here. OP didnt link to an article. I think the Tour is in CA or AZ right now, but dont really know. Didnt know if this is old new news or new new news.
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You had no clue that a local caddy in Mexico City named David Ortiz might be Mexican?
I mean, yeah, how could you have possibly known?
For the record, I had no clue either. I never heard of this story before an hour ago when I opened this thread.
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For the record, I had no clue either. I never heard of this story before an hour ago when I opened this thread.
OK, but if you took the time to read the story (I'll link it below), you'd see the fact that the caddy is Mexican is relevant.
To be clear, though, I'm not suggesting Kuchar is racist or acted out of racism. I do believe Kuchar took advantage of the guy. His comment about $5,000 being a lot of money for the guy seems to validate this.
https://www.golf.com/news/2019/02/12/they-can-keep-their-money-kuchars-fill-in-caddie-breaks-silence-over-pay-dispute/
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Agreed race isn’t relevant here. Notice that Hoopaloop only replies to the comments that include the caddy’s race so he can build up his strawman.
Also, Kuchar didn’t even want to give the guy $15,000. That was his agency trying to save face for their penny pinching client.
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Agreed race isn’t relevant here. Notice that Hoopaloop only replies to the comments that include the caddy’s race so he can build up his strawman.
Also, Kuchar didn’t even want to give the guy $15,000. That was his agency trying to save face for their penny pinching client.
+1
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Since I know you have all been waiting eagerly for me to weigh in on this...
First, yeah...it kind of feels like Kuchar was treating this as an opportunity for a bargain-priced caddy. While I don't interpret it as racist, as soon as I heard that the tournament was in Mexico City I understood how some might feel that the caddy's nationality is relevant to the story. It's kind of like a person who goes to Mexico and figures he can get a great deal at one of the markets because that's just what you expect in Mexico. That's how this seems to me. Racist? No, probably not. Taking advantage? Kind of feels that way to me.
Second, even this caddy acknowledges that he didn't expect the "standard" 10% since he was just on the bag for a week. So, there's no reason to hammer Kucher for not paying standard. He said he didn't expect 10%, but thought his help was worth $50k. Honestly, it's kind of an arbitrary number. So it's kind of hard to know with certainty what would have been "fair." I'd be interested to know what other players paid their local one-off caddies at this tournament and others. For the record, I have no doubt that most (quite possibly all) of them paid better than Kuchar. I think he was being cheap. And foolish. It really is a bad look for him.
Third, I'm not entirely convinced of the whole, "a deals a deal" thing. Again, I'll admit that I don't have a lot of knowledge of how these things work, but the article Pakuni linked made it sound like there are two things here: the amount he was paid to caddy for the week, and a bonus. It sounds like the agreed amount was $5000 (or, I vaguely recall someone saying something about it actually being $4000). The question seems to be the bonus. That's not part of the "deal." From what I read, it sounds like Kuchar did meet his end of the deal -- he paid the guy what he agreed to pay him. But it also sounds like he totally screwed the guy on his " bonus" -- at least as compared to what is customary. Is he technically entitled to it? No. Assuming it's pretty customary, do I blame him for being pissed that he didn't get it? Not at all. Even though I think the twitter linked above was obviously fake, I think that a tipped employee is a fairly comparable situation. As I said before, I don't know if the same customs apply to local one-week caddies that apply to regulars. But, it sounds to me like Kuchar paid no bonus (or maybe $1000). I gather from the reports that this is not consistent with custom, but I honestly don't know for sure. But it sure as hell seems cheap and ungracious.
Fourth, Ortiz should grab that $15k.
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The tournament was outside Playa del Carmen.
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Scoop gets hard to read when Chicos gets into his "rich white males are so persecuted, everything is so scrutinized in today's social media world" moods.
Your inner Sultan was never a good look
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You had no clue that a local caddy in Mexico City named David Ortiz might be Mexican?
I mean, yeah, how could you have possibly known?
I thought he lived in Boston
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Your inner Sultan was never a good look
I miss Sultan about now.
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Agreed race isn’t relevant here. Notice that Hoopaloop only replies to the comments that include the caddy’s race so he can build up his strawman.
Also, Kuchar didn’t even want to give the guy $15,000. That was his agency trying to save face for their penny pinching client.
Weird, I replied to many comments that have nothing to do with that at all, so your are channeling your inner Mu82 hyperbole without facts on this one.
There are literally at least 5 posts here I responded to that have nothing at all to do with caddy’s heritage of any kind....so you are factually wrong. If the agent offered $15k, Kuch would have to sign off on it.
I also said if I was Kuch just pay him and make it go away, but I have absolutely no doubt in my mind if this caddy screwed the pooch and performed horribly and Kuch stuffed him....the same guys here would scream “ a deal is a deal”.
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I miss Sultan about now.
I can parrot exactly what he would say as if straight from a manual if you wish....
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I can parrot exactly what he would say as if straight from a manual if you wish....
Just as we can you.
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Just as we can you.
Works out nicely that way
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I miss Sultan about now.
Voluntary vacation or put in timeout?
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I’m curious about Sultan too
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He should have paid the traditional 10 percent.
Traditionally, when a Tour player is sans-his-usual-caddy and opts to take a local looper, said bag-jock usually gets around 5%-7.5% for guiding a winning player.
Kooch the mooch outdid himself on this one. I’m no math whiz, but 5% of 1.5 million is $75,000. There is also an unwritten honor code among Tour players that well-heeled, deep pocketed vets approach the higher end of that local scale.
I reserve judgment on whether a cheapskate is a “bad guy”, as I’ve known some decent people who are pretty stingy. I just don’t get their mentality.
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You had no clue that a local caddy in Mexico City named David Ortiz might be Mexican?
I mean, yeah, how could you have possibly known?
On its surface, this could make Kuch appear racist. He was good friends with the head pro at the club I caddied at, and I assure you...Matt is not a racist. Cheap is cheap, though.
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Voluntary vacation or put in timeout?
so the board bullys disagree with someone-so what! LET IT GO!! first ya'll disagree, then ya try the racist angle(what a shocker) then ya'll start the pile on(another shocker) next, ya go after the censorship(shocker #3) but the lowest blow of all...to bring back the sully of snc??
for all we know, kuch gave the dude more money, a car, a new set of clubs and an autographed hat...but we will probably never find out, the-rest-of-the-story...next up, whatever the cheekster posts next
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Voluntary vacation or put in timeout?
Voluntary. My guess is it is permanent.
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On its surface, this could make Kuch appear racist. He was good friends with the head pro at the club I caddied at, and I assure you...Matt is not a racist. Cheap is cheap, though.
Don’t worry, people will and have played that card anyway....they cannot help themselves.
Woods, Nicklaus, etc have been accused of being cheap for years.....of course people only look at one aspect. Woods also started the Woods Foundation, Nicklaus has done plenty with his money for scholarships, etc. People see what they want to see.
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Don’t worry, people will and have played that card anyway....they cannot help themselves.
Literally no one here said this was a racist thing, and yet you keep playing that card anyway. Can't help yourself.
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Don’t worry, people will and have played that card anyway....they cannot help themselves.
Woods, Nicklaus, etc have been accused of being cheap for years.....of course people only look at one aspect. Woods also started the Woods Foundation, Nicklaus has done plenty with his money for scholarships, etc. People see what they want to see.
So they give up their money when it helps them (taxes) but when they're dealing with people making $3.25/hour before tips they're cheap with their tips. What great multimillionaire people those guys are. I wonder how Tiger paid his 200 side pieces. But hey, he's an involved father and supportive husband, really just a great guy, we just see what we want to see.
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https://www.golf.com/news/2019/02/15/little-sympathy-for-matt-kuchar-riviera-caddie-yard/
The caddies are not amused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X48G7Y0VWW4
Maybe Kuchar arranged for this guy to receive total consciousness on his deathbed. He would have that going for him. Which is nice.
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Voluntary. My guess is it is permanent.
A voluntary vacation that involves him still lurking?
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Apparently so. He’s staying under cover
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So they give up their money when it helps them (taxes) but when they're dealing with people making $3.25/hour before tips they're cheap with their tips. What great multimillionaire people those guys are. I wonder how Tiger paid his 200 side pieces. But hey, he's an involved father and supportive husband, really just a great guy, we just see what we want to see.
The Tiger piece isn’t even a debate at this point. He’s been shown to be cheap and stingy time and time again for 20 years. The examples aren’t occasional, it’s consistent and widespread.
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Kuchar will pay him off, some will never forgive him. Oh well.
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Kuchar will pay him off, some will never forgive him. Oh well.
Such bull$&!+. If he pays up, it becomes a cautionary tale and everyone moves on.
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Kuchar apologizes to caddie and others, pays him the 50K and makes charitable donations to the Tournment charity in Mexico.
Guess he received some really bad “catcalls” on tee boxes in LA and ended this thing quickly after.
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Good. Over.
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He was getting murdered by the crowd today on PGA Tour Live
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Such bull$&!+. If he pays up, it becomes a cautionary tale and everyone moves on.
Really? In reading all the fauxrage journalists and Twitterflakes, he is never to be forgiven. It will stick with him forever....their words. So yeah, I wouldn't say BS as some people will absolutely never let it die...ever.
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Entertaining thread.
I even got called out by chicos although I didn't participate in it.
Must be rough to be a white American male and feel so put upon all the time.
Kuchar was cheap. He got called out for his cheapness. PR people tried to make it look as if he wasn't being cheap; the attempt failed. More PR people finally got him to pony up.
chicos still somehow an aggrieved party.
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Entertaining thread.
I even got called out by chicos although I didn't participate in it.
Must be rough to be a white American male and feel so put upon all the time.
Kuchar was cheap. He got called out for his cheapness. PR people tried to make it look as if he wasn't being cheap; the attempt failed. More PR people finally got him to pony up.
chicos still somehow an aggrieved party.
Well, he's back to carpet bombing threads, so someone has to take the hit for the rest of us.
I don't like to speak for others, but we appreciate your sacrifice.
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Entertaining thread.
I even got called out by chicos although I didn't participate in it.
Must be rough to be a white American male and feel so put upon all the time.
Kuchar was cheap. He got called out for his cheapness. PR people tried to make it look as if he wasn't being cheap; the attempt failed. More PR people finally got him to pony up.
chicos still somehow an aggrieved party.
Returning the favor of being called out by you in threads I don't participate in. What's good for the goose....
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Kuchar apologized to the caddy and ponied up the $50k.
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Returning the favor of being called out by you in threads I don't participate in. What's good for the goose....
I don't think even you believe 94.8% of the BS you spew.
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/matt-kuchar-apologizes-for-out-of-touch-and-insensitive-comments-pays-fill-in-caddie-what-he-requested
Kuchar apologized for being out of touch and insensitive. Acknowledged he was wrong. I accept that.
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I don't think even you believe 94.8% of the BS you spew.
I lived rent free in your head for at least a year...would you like all the times you and others mentioned me time and again when I wasn’t even posting? Lol. No BS Mike, just do a search.
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https://www.golfdigest.com/story/matt-kuchar-apologizes-for-out-of-touch-and-insensitive-comments-pays-fill-in-caddie-what-he-requested
Kuchar apologized for being out of touch and insensitive. Acknowledged he was wrong. I accept that.
All kinds of Twitter jockeys and journalists today saying it doesn’t matter....as predicted.
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You defending out of touch and insensitive. As predicted.
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Easy decision, PR 101.
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All kinds of Twitter jockeys and journalists today saying it doesn’t matter....as predicted.
You aren't wrong, but it will be a minority. There is a portion of the population that will never let go, no good deeds or apologies ever suffice. This is true in sports, politics, business. My advice, don't worry about those people especially if you are in their target crosshairs.