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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: DegenerateDish on June 15, 2018, 01:55:11 PM
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With the unsurprising news that Kawhi wants out of San Antonio, the first of the always entertaining NBA offseason dominoes is lining up to fall.
I think if I'm the Spurs, the deal I jump at is something with Sacramento, wherein I dump Gasol's contract with Leonard, and ask for the #2 pick this year and a pick swap with Sacramento's #1 in 2020.
Spurs would sprint to the podium to draft Doncic at 2. Sacramento's 2019 pick goes to either Boston/Philly, and Leonard will hit the market in time for Sacramento's 2020 pick to be very attractive.
I think the Spurs will try to dump Gasol's contract on to someone else in any deal, which would make it very tough for Boston to match contracts. Sacramento can do it. I don't think the Lakers have enough attractive assets to pull something off for Leonard.
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With the unsurprising news that Kawhi wants out of San Antonio, the first of the always entertaining NBA offseason dominoes is lining up to fall.
I think if I'm the Spurs, the deal I jump at is something with Sacramento, wherein I dump Gasol's contract with Leonard, and ask for the #2 pick this year and a pick swap with Sacramento's #1 in 2020.
Spurs would sprint to the podium to draft Doncic at 2. Sacramento's 2019 pick goes to either Boston/Philly, and Leonard will hit the market in time for Sacramento's 2020 pick to be very attractive.
I think the Spurs will try to dump Gasol's contract on to someone else in any deal, which would make it very tough for Boston to match contracts. Sacramento can do it. I don't think the Lakers have enough attractive assets to pull something off for Leonard.
Why would Leonard sign off on going to Sacramento? The Spurs would also have to take $25-30M in garbage contracts back.
LAL could give pick #25, Ball or Ingram, Kuzma and Deng's contract. That's probably better than what Cleveland got for Kyrie but it's still not a great package.
Bulls potential offer: Dunn, Lopez's contract and Picks #7 & #22.
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I'd give Bledsoe, Thon, and a number of firsts to get him to the Bucks. If he agrees to extend with the Bucks I'd give anything and everything not named Giannis.
Obviously he will never play for the Bucks, but it's fun to dream of him and Giannis playing together.
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https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=56283.0
Could also bump and combine this thread.
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I'd give Bledsoe, Thon, and a number of firsts to get him to the Bucks. If he agrees to extend with the Bucks I'd give anything and everything not named Giannis.
Obviously he will never play for the Bucks, but it's fun to dream of him and Giannis playing together.
The Bucks would have to give first rounders pretty far into the future based on their Phoenix trade for Bledsoe.
I doubt a sign and trade with Jabari is possible.
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Why would Leonard sign off on going to Sacramento? The Spurs would also have to take $25-30M in garbage contracts back.
LAL could give pick #25, Ball or Ingram, Kuzma and Deng's contract. That's probably better than what Cleveland got for Kyrie but it's still not a great package.
Bulls potential offer: Dunn, Lopez's contract and Picks #7 & #22.
The Spurs can trade Leonard anywhere they want, he can say he wants to go to LA, but the Spurs can/should explore all options.
If the Spurs flipped Gasol/Leonard to Sacramento for Shumpert/Jackson/Koufus/Temple, Spurs save 5 mil against cap this year, and all but Jackson expire next year. That’s significant for the Spurs.
The Spurs could just say eff you to Kwahi and force him into purgatory and have him sit this year, but I don’t think they will.
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What a win for OKC. Not only did George re-sign, he passed on the 1+1 offer and committed to at least 3 years. Crazy that their gamble last summer paid off.
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What a win for OKC. Not only did George re-sign, he passed on the 1+1 offer and committed to at least 3 years. Crazy that their gamble last summer paid off.
I thought taking that risk was a good move for OKC at the time, but I didn’t think it would pay off after they were eliminated. Now they can build around two legit superstars and see where it goes.
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Ilyasova deal is tough to figure out. The Bucks are now backed into a corner on Parker. Maybe they wanted the open market to dictate things, but now they’re stuck.
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Ilyasova deal is tough to figure out. The Bucks are now backed into a corner on Parker. Maybe they wanted the open market to dictate things, but now they’re stuck.
I don’t think the concept of Ersan is bad. Good shooter. Good rebounder. Contract isn’t bad.
I just don’t think they are anywhere close with Jabari. And I’m ok with that.
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I don’t think the concept of Ersan is bad. Good shooter. Good rebounder. Contract isn’t bad.
I just don’t think they are anywhere close with Jabari. And I’m ok with that.
I don’t disagree on the skill set and contract, I’m more curious if they already made up their minds on Parker. On paper, it would have helped the Bucks to figure out Parker first, and then sign Ilyasova, but of course they risk him signing elsewhere. The hard cap number they’re at now essentially means they’re moves are done, unless they can get creative in the trade market.
I also didn’t notice when I originally posted that year 3 isn’t guaranteed, which certainly works in the Bucks favor long term.
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I think I saw somewhere that Ersans deal also uses part of the mid level exception and the Bucks could match a Jabari deal of up to $20M. I wouldn’t do that though. I just don’t think Jabari is their future.
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Bringin' back Ersan is like kissin' yo sista. Bucks wooda bin far mo progressive and forward thinkin' ta sign Kevon. Same old Bucks, doe, hey?
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Bringin' back Ersan is like kissin' yo sista. Bucks wooda bin far mo progressive and forward thinkin' ta sign Kevon. Same old Bucks, doe, hey?
They aren’t similar players.
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Yeah butt ders only sew much bread in da kitty. Signin' Illyasova and bringin' back Jennin's is bendin' over and blowin' a good-bye kiss ta Jabari, hey?
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Ersan for $7M for two years is better than tying up money in Jabari. Parker could be a real bad contract for someone.
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Orr a reel steel, aina?
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Unless a team makes a terrible decision, Zach Lavine is going to be terribly disappointed this offseason.
The turd thinks it's funny the Bulls may think he's "only" worth about $15 million a year. The potential is obvious but his shot selection, lack of defense, and inability to move the ball are glaring.
I'm fine if the Bulls are able to retain him for something reasonable but otherwise I have no issue with him leaving.
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No 'prise, Nicholson's seats just went up price, aina?
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No 'prise, Nicholson's seats just went up price, aina?
And they’ll only go up more when Kawhi follows in 12 months.
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Do the Bucks have the best player in the East?
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per twitter:
"Active players who've made All-NBA 1st team, by current conf.:
West
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
James Harden
Stephen Curry
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
DeAndre Jordan
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Derrick Rose
East
Joakim Noah
TBD
Dwight Howard
Dwyane Wade"
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https://twitter.com/BarstoolBigCat/status/1013591525069086722
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king james signs 4 year $154 million with lakers
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23967725/lebron-james-joining-los-angeles-lakers-4-year-154-million-deal
comment on twitter under big cat's post-dio'nardo dicaprio-
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Lebrons the girl in high school who sleeps with everyone but can’t figure out why everyone says mean things about her...
damn that was funny!!
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The east is wide open. For the honor of getting swept.
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The east is wide open. For the honor of getting swept.
It was always going to be a 3 team race for a Title and this move doesn't change anything.
Warrios
C's
Rockets
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So the trade at the deadline with the Lakers and Cavs made this all possible.
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It was always going to be a 3 team race for a Title and this move doesn't change anything.
Warrios
C's
Rockets
It changes everything. Lakers now 2nd best odds to win title. http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23967995/los-angeles-lakers-title-odds-improve-markedly-acquisition-lebron-james
Why? LEBRON JAMES. GOAT
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It changes everything. Lakers now 2nd best odds to win title. http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23967995/los-angeles-lakers-title-odds-improve-markedly-acquisition-lebron-james
Why? LEBRON JAMES. GOAT
It changed absolutely nothing for this season. The Lakers supporting cast is worse than the Cavs was. The Cavs and the GOAT got swept.
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It changes everything. Lakers now 2nd best odds to win title. http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/23967995/los-angeles-lakers-title-odds-improve-markedly-acquisition-lebron-james
Why? LEBRON JAMES. GOAT
Casual bettors like to bet popular teams like the Yankees, Cowboys, and Lakers. So those teams can often have inflated odds based on betting volume, whether they're contenders or not.
Casual bettors also like to bet on stars like Lebron. It's the same reason Aaron Rodgers is inflating the Packers Super Bowl odds for next year.
So you have a double whammy of Lebron and the Lakers. Vegas is responding to the betting public, not declaring the Lakers the 2nd best team.
They're also pricing in potential future acquisitions. Vegas is protecting itself in case the Lakers add another superstar or two via free agency and/or trade. Vegas is preventing the Lakers from being a value bet, just in case Lebron builds another superteam.
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LBJ to LA seems more about where he wants to live to ease into retirement versus where he thinks he can win titles.
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Who else is excited for the Space Jam sequel featuring LBJ, DWade and the rest of the banana boat crew?
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Casual bettors like to bet popular teams like the Yankees, Cowboys, and Lakers. So those teams can often have inflated odds based on betting volume, whether they're contenders or not.
Casual bettors also like to bet on stars like Lebron. It's the same reason Aaron Rodgers is inflating the Packers Super Bowl odds for next year.
So you have a double whammy of Lebron and the Lakers. Vegas is responding to the betting public, not declaring the Lakers the 2nd best team.
They're also pricing in potential future acquisitions. Vegas is protecting itself in case the Lakers add another superstar or two via free agency and/or trade. Vegas is preventing the Lakers from being a value bet, just in case Lebron builds another superteam.
Not only calm and reasonable but correct.
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In the meantime, Thon Maker is about as good at landing flying kicks as he is shots from outside 15 feet (hi-yoooo).
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tpb5brntkzj8sjy1tcix.mp4
https://deadspin.com/huge-brawl-breaks-out-during-australia-philippines-bask-1827285509
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LBJ to LA seems more about where he wants to live to ease into retirement versus where he thinks he can win titles.
Could be, but I also think it's probably fairly easy to convince other superstars to come join him in Southern California than it is Cleveland or even Phili.
He could have either Cousins or Capela joining him this offseason and then Kawhi or Klay next offseason. Add in the shooters that he'll bring with him and that's a team that can compete.
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Could be, but I also think it's probably fairly easy to convince other superstars to come join him in Southern California than it is Cleveland or even Phili.
He could have either Cousins or Capela joining him this offseason and then Kawhi or Klay next offseason. Add in the shooters that he'll bring with him and that's a team that can compete.
Yeah I guess I didn’t want it to sound like a comfy retirement location. I just think he thought “location” first versus “best place for title”. At least immediately.
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Yeah I guess I didn’t want it to sound like a comfy retirement location. I just think he thought “location” first versus “best place for title”. At least immediately.
Agreed. I think he definitely put more emphasis on lifestyle and stability for his family than in the past and punted on this season. But I think the Lakers will be back to Showtime by the 2019-2020 NBA season.
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I really respect LBJ's decision, the guy is 1 or 1A all timer, he's won titles in Miami and brought one to Cleveland, he's still incredible at his age, and he made a business and lifestyle decision. If the Warriors stay together and LeBron can get a decent team together in the next two years, should be fun to watch.
Selfishly, I hope another max superstar eventually joins LA so they have to keep Malik Newman and his minimum contract. As my brother told me last night, I'm probably the only person in the world who's viewing the LBJ signing from that angle :-)
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LBJ to LA seems more about where he wants to live to ease into retirement versus where he thinks he can win titles.
I think it's less about easing into retirement than post-basketball aspirations of becoming an entertainment mogul. Regardless of how realistic those are, or how successful he becomes, it makes more sense for him to be in LA than Philly or Cleveland or Houston, especially since that's where he was going to end up eventually.
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Agreed. I think he definitely put more emphasis on lifestyle and stability for his family than in the past and punted on this season. But I think the Lakers will be back to Showtime by the 2019-2020 NBA season.
I don't think LeBron "punts" on much -- and with his ego, I doubt he has consigned himself to lose even next season -- but I do think I do get what you're saying.
I could see Magic selling LeBron on going to LA, getting the mogul thing started during the offseason, working to school the few really good young Lakers on what it takes to win big, and then being joined by Leonard or Kemba Walker or some other stud (or two) to make some serious noise the last couple/few years of his contract.
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I really respect LBJ's decision, the guy is 1 or 1A all timer, he's won titles in Miami and brought one to Cleveland, he's still incredible at his age, and he made a business and lifestyle decision. If the Warriors stay together and LeBron can get a decent team together in the next two years, should be fun to watch.
Selfishly, I hope another max superstar eventually joins LA so they have to keep Malik Newman and his minimum contract. As my brother told me last night, I'm probably the only person in the world who's viewing the LBJ signing from that angle :-)
Malik could be the new guy LeBron yells at all the time!
For real though, was surprised he fell as far as he did and think he's going to stick around for a while in the NBA.
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What in the world are the Lakers doing? Rondo over Randle?
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I think it's less about easing into retirement than post-basketball aspirations of becoming an entertainment mogul. Regardless of how realistic those are, or how successful he becomes, it makes more sense for him to be in LA than Philly or Cleveland or Houston, especially since that's where he was going to end up eventually.
Yep, he's made LA his offseason home for a long time with multiple properties. He's clearly looking at phase 2 of his career with acting and producing and the like. Recruiting potential talent to the Lakers is much easier than the Cavs too, so that makes sense going forward. Though it was interesting to see none of the marquee FAs waiting on his decision to make moves.
As for the odds, Lakers being that high is about as valid and predictive to next season's performance as Tiger being an Vegas favorite to win the Masters, follow the dumb public money.
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What's the point of even having the playoffs next year?
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Lol, the NBA blows.
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Boogie to GSW
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Cousins is about to ease himself back in his rehab. Get his ring, and then sign a big fat deal in Miami or the like and chase checks like Joe Johnson the rest of his career, having fun. The ultimate finess for a guy who had 6 years of basically automatic double-double production wasted in Sacramento
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Cousins is about to ease himself back in his rehab. Get his ring, and then sign a big fat deal in Miami or the like and chase checks like Joe Johnson the rest of his career, having fun. The ultimate finess for a guy who had 6 years of basically automatic double-double production wasted in Sacramento
Smartest decision ever. He doesn't have to worry about rushing back next year. He can ease into the season, recover fully, win a title and sign a massive contract.
Great decision.
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Smartest decision ever. He doesn't have to worry about rushing back next year. He can ease into the season, recover fully, win a title and sign a massive contract.
Great decision.
GS was going to win again next season with or without Cousins. On top of that, they already have their equivalent of a deadline acquisition. Win-win for both sides. Even if Cousins comes back at 75% of what he was, it'll be chalked up to his role in the offense and he's going to PAID next offseason, plus he'll have a ring. Well played, Boogie.
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GS was going to win again next season with or without Cousins. On top of that, they already have their equivalent of a deadline acquisition. Win-win for both sides. Even if Cousins comes back at 75% of what he was, it'll be chalked up to his role in the offense and he's going to PAID next offseason, plus he'll have a ring. Well played, Boogie.
Disagree, Houston had them on the ropes last year before CP3 went down. It wasn't going to be a foregone conclusion this year (and still might not be if Boogie doesn't heal right or screws with the locker room). Especially with the Celtics getting Kyrie & Hayward back + a year of improvement for the young players, you never know where Kawhi will end up (maybe Philly, would make them an instant contender), etc.
GSW should be the overwhelming favorite now, but there are some serious challengers. The sweep last year was a function of the East being terrible. Houston would have beaten the Cavs in 5 or 6.
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Disagree, Houston had them on the ropes last year before CP3 went down. It wasn't going to be a foregone conclusion this year (and still might not be if Boogie doesn't heal right or screws with the locker room). Especially with the Celtics getting Kyrie & Hayward back + a year of improvement for the young players, you never know where Kawhi will end up (maybe Philly, would make them an instant contender), etc.
GSW should be the overwhelming favorite now, but there are some serious challengers. The sweep last year was a function of the East being terrible. Houston would have beaten the Cavs in 5 or 6.
If both Iggy and CP3 stay healthy the Warriors win in 6 max, probably 5. The Warriors were already so much better than everyone and then they just added a top 15 player in the NBA at the only position of relative weakness in their roster.
There is no challenger for them. If Boogie is 80% of why he was they go 16-0 in the Playoffs.
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If both Iggy and CP3 stay healthy the Warriors win in 6 max, probably 5. The Warriors were already so much better than everyone and then they just added a top 15 player in the NBA at the only position of relative weakness in their roster.
There is no challenger for them. If Boogie is 80% of why he was they go 16-0 in the Playoffs.
Fo-fo-fo-fo???
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Props ta my hommie, aina?
Looney wanted to entertain other more lucrative offers with teams that could offer a larger role. Though he also fielded interest from the Los Angeles Clippers, Houston Rockets, Philadelphia 76ers and Atlanta Hawks, Looney found it more appealing to stay with the Warriors because of his ongoing development and the team’s recent championship success. Looney has also set himself up for potentially another breakout season that could yield more offseason interest next summer. – via San Jose Mercury-News
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Props ta my hommie, aina?
Looney wanted to entertain other more lucrative offers with teams that could offer a larger role. Though he also fielded interest from the Los Angeles Clippers, Houston Rockets, Philadelphia 76ers and Atlanta Hawks, Looney found it more appealing to stay with the Warriors because of his ongoing development and the team’s recent championship success. Looney has also set himself up for potentially another breakout season that could yield more offseason interest next summer. – via San Jose Mercury-News
Props to a 22-year-old with a history of injuries signing a 1-year minimum deal IF there were longer/more lucrative deals on the table?
Uh, no. That's very stupid.
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Man, is reading comprehension that difficult? Kevon has 2 rings, will compete for a starting role while Cousins rehabs, likes the team chemistry and playing for Kerr. Golden State has said all along he was a priority once his option wasn't picked up. In short, Looney is betting on himself, much like others including Butler, have done. All the while, Golden State retains his Bird rights. We'll see how it works out.
Some on this board just can't be happy and take pleasure in trying to get under a fellow alum's skin. The life they lead is pretty pathetic. As I've said before, I'm just thankful I'm me and not one of them.
Happy 4th of July and let freedom ring.
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Depending on what those other offers looked like, this seems pretty safe for Looney with a bunch of upside. Barring injury (he's got a hip issue) he's not going to hurt his stock averaging something like 25 mpg, 6/5/1 on a 65-win Warriors team, and next offseason will be more player friendly than this year.
No way to know what those other deals looked like, but of the Clips, Rockets, 76ers and Hawks, only the Clips and Hawks have any real money to spend, especially after the 76ers dealt for Chandler. Contracts for comparable guys weren't huge - Gerald Green got the vet minimum from the Rockets ($2.4M at his experience level) and this would probably have been Looney's deal if he signed there. Lance Stephenson got $4.5 from the Lakers. Jeff Green signed for the minimum with Washington. If I had to guess, Looney's top offer from either the Clips or Hawks couldn't have been more than $6-7 mil over two years with the second year a player option.
Edit to add that the minimum at Looney's exp level is about $1.5M
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Man, is reading comprehension that difficult? Kevon has 2 rings, will compete for a starting role while Cousins rehabs, likes the team chemistry and playing for Kerr. Golden State has said all along he was a priority once his option wasn't picked up. In short, Looney is betting on himself, much like others including Butler, have done. All the while, Golden State retains his Bird rights. We'll see how it works out.
Some on this board just can't be happy and take pleasure in trying to get under a fellow alum's skin. The life they lead is pretty pathetic. As I've said before, I'm just thankful I'm me and not one of them.
Happy 4th of July and let freedom ring.
In a stunning development, 4ever makes it about himself. Just because you cleaned the kid's teeth a few times doesn't make you a part of his inner circle.
Walking away from more money and more security for a chance to ride other, better players' coattails to a ring (again) at the league minimum is a bad decision, especially when you have hips issues that could cut your career short. Period.
And don't compare him to Jimmy. When Jimmy bet on himself, he was an established and healthy full-time NBA starter with a clear path to a lead role on his team. Looney is neither established, healthy or a full-time starter.
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In a stunning development, 4ever makes it about himself. Just because you cleaned the kid's teeth a few times doesn't make you a part of his inner circle.
Walking away from more money and more security for a chance to ride other, better players' coattails to a ring (again) at the league minimum is a bad decision, especially when you have hips issues that could cut your career short. Period.
And don't compare him to Jimmy. When Jimmy bet on himself, he was an established and healthy full-time NBA starter with a clear path to a lead role on his team. Looney is neither established, healthy or a full-time starter.
The irony of a guy who has (I assume) never said a word to Looney telling another guy who at least cleaned Looney's teeth that he isn't "part of his inner circle" and in the same post determining what is best for Looney is too good.
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Solid Fol.
Don't lose sleep over Kevon's hips---past history and he's good. BTW, nice to know that others are so sure of my past or current involvement, hey?
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I love when 4ever posts in English, it's guaranteed to be good.
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Solid Fol.
Don't lose sleep over Kevon's hips---past history and he's good. BTW, nice to know that others are so sure of my past or current involvement, hey?
You know, my response was unkind. My apologies
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The irony of a guy who has (I assume) never said a word to Looney telling another guy who at least cleaned Looney's teeth that he isn't "part of his inner circle" and in the same post determining what is best for Looney is too good.
Got it. From now on I'll only give my opinion on the moves of athletes whom I know personally.
I presume you will do the same.
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You know, my response was unkind. My apologies
Accepted---no issues, we're good.
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a hi-geeenist 4ever ain't-that would be like axking superman to open a jar of pickles, eyn'a so?
maybe drilling and filling a class 2 in tooth #19 before doin a spit shine aheyn'a ey?
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Got it. From now on I'll only give my opinion on the moves of athletes whom I know personally.
I presume you will do the same.
I’m not the one telling other people they are a fool for thinking a 23 year old millionaire made a good decision to stay in San Francisco and win a 3rd NBA Title because that person “isn’t in his inner circle.”
It’s beyond ironic and if you can’t see that, well, sorry!
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a hi-geeenist 4ever ain't-that would be like axking superman to open a jar of pickles, eyn'a so?
maybe drilling and filling a class 2 in tooth #19 before doin a spit shine aheyn'a ey?
Thanks kin, ya no, eye bin no an ta take out da trash and klean out da chitters in my spare tyme two, hey?
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Thanks kin, ya no, eye bin no an ta take out da trash and klean out da chitters in my spare tyme two, hey?
you've had to escort a patient or 2 out the back door too? ;D
to bring 'er back home-there's a little "buzz" about thon's bruce lee imitation at the fiba's. if those were flyin knee kicks, hope he didn't fire his body guard
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I predict Lakers wait it out, next year they get Leonard and Lebron will lead them back to the championship in the '19-'20 championship.
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I predict Lakers wait it out, next year they get Leonard and Lebron will lead them back to the championship in the '19-'20 championship.
luol is a $19 million headache here-wow! throwing around money like it's growing on palm trees. he played 1 game for them last year...he's a career 15 ppg dude...really?
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Man, is reading comprehension that difficult? Kevon has 2 rings, will compete for a starting role while Cousins rehabs, likes the team chemistry and playing for Kerr. Golden State has said all along he was a priority once his option wasn't picked up. In short, Looney is betting on himself, much like others including Butler, have done. All the while, Golden State retains his Bird rights. We'll see how it works out.
Some on this board just can't be happy and take pleasure in trying to get under a fellow alum's skin. The life they lead is pretty pathetic. As I've said before, I'm just thankful I'm me and not one of them.
Happy 4th of July and let freedom ring.
I agree with this analysis.
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I’m not the one telling other people they are a fool for thinking a 23 year old millionaire made a good decision to stay in San Francisco and win a 3rd NBA Title because that person “isn’t in his inner circle.”
It’s beyond ironic and if you can’t see that, well, sorry!
What? No. I didn't say 4ever was a fool. I said Looney made a stupid decision IF he turned down more lucrative, longer-term deals for a 1-year minimum contract. Read, my friend.
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What? No. I didn't say 4ever was a fool. I said Looney made a stupid decision IF he turned down more lucrative, longer-term deals for a 1-year minimum contract. Read, my friend.
4never said props to Looney for signing a contract worth more than $1M as a 22 year old kid. You called Looney an idiot. 4never explained that Looney is a 22 year old making over a million dollars and living in San Francisco, which I think 99.99% of 22 year olds in this world would take over whatever their situation is, so Looney probably does deserve the props 4never gave him. You then got all defensive about it, told 4never he's not in Looney's inner circle, and proclaimed what was best for Kevon Looney, despite (again, I'm assuming here, so could be wrong) never having spoken a word to the guy.
I'm with 4never. Props to the 22 year old kid from Milwaukee who's a millionaire and soon to be 3 time NBA champion living in San Francisco.
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If both Iggy and CP3 stay healthy the Warriors win in 6 max, probably 5. The Warriors were already so much better than everyone and then they just added a top 15 player in the NBA at the only position of relative weakness in their roster.
There is no challenger for them. If Boogie is 80% of why he was they go 16-0 in the Playoffs.
Okay, but Javale McGee was a fairly important piece for them in the finals and he left before they had Cousins. The Celtics are adding back Kyrie and Hayward to a team that went to game 7 of the ECF. That's not nothing. That's pretty big. A lineup of Irving/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Horford would have given GSW a run for their money without Cousins. May have even been favored. And Jimmy wants to join Kyrie so he might force a trade there. If they can add Jimmy at a reasonable price they could contend even with Cousins at GSW. The Sixers could make a play for Kawhi at a reasonable price since they'd only be getting one year in theory and SAS would get to ship him out East. Assuming Fultz can approach his #1 overall status with a year to heal an work on the J, a Simmons/Fultz/Kawhi/Saric/Embiid lineup (6'10"/6'4"/6'7"/6'10"/7" with shooting at 2-4) is a scary proposition on defense and in the paint.
I just don't think they were untouchable prior to Cousins, and don't necessarily think they're untouchable even with Cousins. All it takes is chemistry to be off, a minor injury, Celtics or Sixers making one personnel move, etc.
They are definitely the favorite. If I had to bet, I would surely bet on them, especially if Cousins can reach even 80% of his prior level like you said. But they can get beat! Looking forward to seeing the challengers.
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Okay, but Javale McGee was a fairly important piece for them in the finals and he left before they had Cousins. The Celtics are adding back Kyrie and Hayward to a team that went to game 7 of the ECF. That's not nothing. That's pretty big. A lineup of Irving/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Horford would have given GSW a run for their money without Cousins. May have even been favored. And Jimmy wants to join Kyrie so he might force a trade there. If they can add Jimmy at a reasonable price they could contend even with Cousins at GSW. The Sixers could make a play for Kawhi at a reasonable price since they'd only be getting one year in theory and SAS would get to ship him out East. Assuming Fultz can approach his #1 overall status with a year to heal an work on the J, a Simmons/Fultz/Kawhi/Saric/Embiid lineup (6'10"/6'4"/6'7"/6'10"/7" with shooting at 2-4) is a scary proposition on defense and in the paint.
I just don't think they were untouchable prior to Cousins, and don't necessarily think they're untouchable even with Cousins. All it takes is chemistry to be off, a minor injury, Celtics or Sixers making one personnel move, etc.
They are definitely the favorite. If I had to bet, I would surely bet on them, especially if Cousins can reach even 80% of his prior level like you said. But they can get beat! Looking forward to seeing the challengers.
A lot of stretches in your post, but I think this is the biggest. If the Sixers or Celtics were truly one personnel move away from being a serious contender, they would be making that move. They're probably the two favorites to come out of the East, but I can't see a scenario where either would win more than one game in the Finals.
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I predict Lakers wait it out, next year they get Leonard and Lebron will lead them back to the championship in the '19-'20 championship.
LOL. And Tiger is gonna get his swing put back together and win the last 2 majors of the year.
Lebron will be 35 with over 1500 games played by that point. Yes, he's a physical freak, but he can no longer take off chunks of the regular season and/or coast through the first rounds of the playoffs in the West. Beyond the huge leap that Kawhi actually gets to the Lakers (a move that would likely be especially punitive and sap their young talent and I don't think SAS just lets him walk after next season), thinking an aging Lebron is going to power them past superior teams in Houston and GSW, plus improving C's and Sixers teams in the East is hilarious. Like I said earlier, I don't rule one more crazy run out, but given the tepid response to other FAs heading to LA this offseason, I think Lebron's ring chasing is more or less over.
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A lot of stretches in your post, but I think this is the biggest. If the Sixers or Celtics were truly one personnel move away from being a serious contender, they would be making that move. They're probably the two favorites to come out of the East, but I can't see a scenario where either would win more than one game in the Finals.
How do you know they aren't currently in the works?
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How do you know they aren't currently in the works?
Well, Philly has been signing everyone to one year deals, which sets them up to have 40+ mil in cap space next summer. That indicates that they'll be targeting some of the big name FA's then.
I doubt Ainge will be willing to give up Brown or Tatum, which is what it will take to lure a big name trade. Ainge is one of the best in the business so he might be able to work something, but considering the Kyrie Hayward combo hasn't even been given a chance I don't think he'll shake the roster up too much. The price for both Kawhi or Jimmy will be too high, so the most likely scenario where Kyrie and Jimmy team up will be in 2019 in a different city.
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Lebron will be 35 with over 1500 games played by that point. Yes, he's a physical freak, but he can no longer take off chunks of the regular season and/or coast through the first rounds of the playoffs in the West.
LeBron played in all 82 regular-season games this season. And he hardly was able to take off the first round, averaging 34-10-8 over 41 mpg during the 7-game series against Indiana in which he made big play after big play after big play.
He went on to put together one of the great postseasons of all time. And he still had enough left in the tank to score 51 points in G1 of the Finals as the badly undermanned Cavs were in position to beat one of the greatest teams ever before Hill's missed FT and JR's brain-fart.
LeBron will be fine.
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Okay, but Javale McGee was a fairly important piece for them in the finals and he left before they had Cousins. The Celtics are adding back Kyrie and Hayward to a team that went to game 7 of the ECF. That's not nothing. That's pretty big. A lineup of Irving/Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Horford would have given GSW a run for their money without Cousins. May have even been favored. And Jimmy wants to join Kyrie so he might force a trade there. If they can add Jimmy at a reasonable price they could contend even with Cousins at GSW. The Sixers could make a play for Kawhi at a reasonable price since they'd only be getting one year in theory and SAS would get to ship him out East. Assuming Fultz can approach his #1 overall status with a year to heal an work on the J, a Simmons/Fultz/Kawhi/Saric/Embiid lineup (6'10"/6'4"/6'7"/6'10"/7" with shooting at 2-4) is a scary proposition on defense and in the paint.
I just don't think they were untouchable prior to Cousins, and don't necessarily think they're untouchable even with Cousins. All it takes is chemistry to be off, a minor injury, Celtics or Sixers making one personnel move, etc.
They are definitely the favorite. If I had to bet, I would surely bet on them, especially if Cousins can reach even 80% of his prior level like you said. But they can get beat! Looking forward to seeing the challengers.
I will give you the field and take the Warriors to not get to a game 7 in any Playoff series and win the NBA Title. Winner can pick a charity to have the loser donate $50 to.
Losing JaVale McGee is nothing at all. He averaged 9.5 mpg for them last season. The Warriors also swept the NBA Finals. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that the Warriors would not have been in any real danger to lose to the Cavs if they didn't have JaVale McGee available, and I think the fact that that is even brought up as a "loss" for the Warriors just proves my point here.
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LeBron played in all 82 regular-season games this season. And he hardly was able to take off the first round, averaging 34-10-8 over 41 mpg during the 7-game series against Indiana in which he made big play after big play after big play.
He went on to put together one of the great postseasons of all time. And he still had enough left in the tank to score 51 points in G1 of the Finals as the badly undermanned Cavs were in position to beat one of the greatest teams ever before Hill's missed FT and JR's brain-fart.
LeBron will be fine.
This was the first season Lebron played 82 games in his career and thats with never really having a semi serious injury issue. Its a widely known fact that he took a week or so off, mid season, the past couple of seasons. Nobody is denying his performance in the playoffs this year, it was incredible. But to doubt that he will continue to do that isn't some Lebron hating, its biological expectancy. Not to mention the competition in the West. 2017 was an anomaly, but sure expect that to continue. But hey, im just a hater ::)
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This was the first season Lebron played 82 games in his career and thats with never really having a semi serious injury issue. Its a widely known fact that he took a week or so off, mid season, the past couple of seasons. Nobody is denying his performance in the playoffs this year, it was incredible. But to doubt that he will continue to do that isn't some Lebron hating, its biological expectancy. Not to mention the competition in the West. 2017 was an anomaly, but sure expect that to continue. But hey, im just a hater ::)
He also simply took off playing defense this season.
Unless all that matters is the chase down block, then he was All NBA Defense.
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This was the first season Lebron played 82 games in his career and thats with never really having a semi serious injury issue. Its a widely known fact that he took a week or so off, mid season, the past couple of seasons. Nobody is denying his performance in the playoffs this year, it was incredible. But to doubt that he will continue to do that isn't some Lebron hating, its biological expectancy. Not to mention the competition in the West. 2017 was an anomaly, but sure expect that to continue. But hey, im just a hater ::)
Fair enough about your "biological expectancy" insight.
I didn't say you were a hater, though. I was just pointing out that this past season he neither took off a bunch of games nor cruised through the playoffs, and he still was able to get 51 against GS.
He also simply took off playing defense this season.
Serious question: Do you have statistical evidence to back this up? I didn't see nearly enough Cavs games during the regular season to know if this is true or not. LeBron hasn't been All-Defensive since 2013-14 and hasn't been a first-team selection since the season before that.
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Fair enough about your "biological expectancy" insight.
I didn't say you were a hater, though. I was just pointing out that this past season he neither took off a bunch of games nor cruised through the playoffs, and he still was able to get 51 against GS.
Serious question: Do you have statistical evidence to back this up? I didn't see nearly enough Cavs games during the regular season to know if this is true or not. LeBron hasn't been All-Defensive since 2013-14 and hasn't been a first-team selection since the season before that.
I’m sure I could find some statistical evidence if I wanted to, but I saw just about every Cavs Playoffs game and he was guarding guys like Fred Van Vleet and Bojab Bogdonovic.
I listen to the podcast The Lowe Post and not only did Zach Lowe talk about how LeBron simply doesn’t play defense and gets his rest at that end of the court, even LeBron’s personal ESPN PR guy Windhorst talked about it, and that guy literally only has a job to follow LeBron from one place to the next and tell the world what LeBron wants the world to hear.
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I’m sure I could find some statistical evidence if I wanted to, but I saw just about every Cavs Playoffs game and he was guarding guys like Fred Van Vleet and Bojab Bogdonovic.
I listen to the podcast The Lowe Post and not only did Zach Lowe talk about how LeBron simply doesn’t play defense and gets his rest at that end of the court, even LeBron’s personal ESPN PR guy Windhorst talked about it, and that guy literally only has a job to follow LeBron from one place to the next and tell the world what LeBron wants the world to hear.
OK, thanks.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd still accept him on my team.
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Fair enough about your "biological expectancy" insight.
I didn't say you were a hater, though. I was just pointing out that this past season he neither took off a bunch of games nor cruised through the playoffs, and he still was able to get 51 against GS.
I know, you're far more sensible than that. But I feel the prevailing sentiment if you don't bow at the alter of Lebron is that you're just a hater. I do think Wades has a good point though. He got hid on that end of the floor most of the season.
And again, none of this is to say he's a scrub or washed up. He's still a freak, but I don't think he could take on the best teams on his own at his peak (hey Kyrie), and can't now as he's aging. But some people still think he's going to rampage through them somehow.
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He also simply took off playing defense this season.
I thought defense (good, bad or indifferent) was a "team" thing. LOL
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I thought defense (good, bad or indifferent) was a "team" thing. LOL
Let me know what the Cavs team defense was ranked this year...
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LBJ came out eight years ago and absolutely shut down Derrick Rose when he was MVP. He wouldn’t do that now. Whether it’s because he can’t, or because he’s preserving energy, I don’t know. It’s probably a bit of both.
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I know, you're far more sensible than that. But I feel the prevailing sentiment if you don't bow at the alter of Lebron is that you're just a hater. I do think Wades has a good point though. He got hid on that end of the floor most of the season.
And again, none of this is to say he's a scrub or washed up. He's still a freak, but I don't think he could take on the best teams on his own at his peak (hey Kyrie), and can't now as he's aging. But some people still think he's going to rampage through them somehow.
The beautiful thing about sports is that we don't have to speculate long about anything ... because the games take place and we get actual results.
A year from now, two years from now, three years from now, we'll know about all these things.
Thanks for the conversation.
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I will give you the field and take the Warriors to not get to a game 7 in any Playoff series and win the NBA Title. Winner can pick a charity to have the loser donate $50 to.
Losing JaVale McGee is nothing at all. He averaged 9.5 mpg for them last season. The Warriors also swept the NBA Finals. I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that the Warriors would not have been in any real danger to lose to the Cavs if they didn't have JaVale McGee available, and I think the fact that that is even brought up as a "loss" for the Warriors just proves my point here.
I was taking issue with the statement that they were going to win the finals this year with OR WITHOUT Cousins. They lost McGee before getting Cousins. They were significantly better with him on the court in the finals than without. He's a rim protector and switched well onto LeBron, and you saw how easily they can be picked apart without a rim protector after Bogut went down in 2016. Games 1 & 3 easily could have gone the other way, small margins make the difference. The Cavs got lucky the East was so weak last year, it will improve this year, as will the competition for whoever comes out of the West. Ergo, without Cousins, it was not a foregone conclusion that they would win this year.
If Cousins and the rest are healthy, agreed, I give them a ~85% chance of winning it all. But without him, there were certainly not a guarantee this coming season by any means.
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Unless a team makes a terrible decision, Zach Lavine is going to be terribly disappointed this offseason.
The turd thinks it's funny the Bulls may think he's "only" worth about $15 million a year. The potential is obvious but his shot selection, lack of defense, and inability to move the ball are glaring.
I'm fine if the Bulls are able to retain him for something reasonable but otherwise I have no issue with him leaving.
Meet GarPax: Dumb and Dumber. Four years, $78 million.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-zach-lavine-free-agency-20180706-story,amp.html
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Meet GarPax: Dumb and Dumber. Four years, $78 million.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-bulls-zach-lavine-free-agency-20180706-story,amp.html
I honestly think they matched only to show that they got something from the Butler trade.
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I honestly think they matched only to show that they got something from the Butler trade.
Agreed. Terrible way to do business, bad money chasing bad decisions. I’d rather they say “we got Markkanen, and preserved future cap space” as a result of the Butler trade.
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Serious question: Do you have statistical evidence to back this up? I didn't see nearly enough Cavs games during the regular season to know if this is true or not. LeBron hasn't been All-Defensive since 2013-14 and hasn't been a first-team selection since the season before that.
Take this for what you will, I'm no stats expert so can't say what are the best metrics.
But this year Lebron was ranked 155th in defensive win shares (Henry Ellenson was 146), amongst NBA forwards. He was ranked 231st in DRTG amongst NBA forwards.
There is a reason why the plan decided by Magic and Lebron to build the Lakers is focusing on surrounding him with tough defenders.
Harden who is maligned for his defense is substantially better in both statistics. He's a guard so can't do direct comparison, but his values would rank him in the 90's for DRTG and top 20 for defensive win shares compared to forwards.
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I like what the Bucks have done this offseason. It will be interesting to see what happens with Jabari. If he’s confident in his ability to stay healthy his best option might be to sign the QO, play on a discount this season, and be an UFA next offseason when all the stupid money teams spent 3 years ago comes off the books.
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Knot feelin' it four Ersan. And, reely knot at 7 big wons/year, hey?
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Knot feelin' it four Ersan. And, reely knot at 7 big wons/year, hey?
It’s not great but it’s okay. Third year isn’t guaranteed so that’s nice. I’ll take Ers at 7 over Delly at 10 or Henson at 11.
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No a dude hoo sold his Quon house ta Illyasova wen he played in town beefour. Big sellin' point wuz he could play video games on da big screen in da theater room, hey?
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Take this for what you will, I'm no stats expert so can't say what are the best metrics.
But this year Lebron was ranked 155th in defensive win shares (Henry Ellenson was 146), amongst NBA forwards. He was ranked 231st in DRTG amongst NBA forwards.
There is a reason why the plan decided by Magic and Lebron to build the Lakers is focusing on surrounding him with tough defenders.
Harden who is maligned for his defense is substantially better in both statistics. He's a guard so can't do direct comparison, but his values would rank him in the 90's for DRTG and top 20 for defensive win shares compared to forwards.
Thanks for the stats, forgetful.
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It’s not great but it’s okay. Third year isn’t guaranteed so that’s nice. I’ll take Ers at 7 over Delly at 10 or Henson at 11.
Agreed, there's only so much damage you can do giving out two year contracts. Chances are that its fine the first year and then even if it doesn't work out, is something of an asset as an expiring the second year.
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No a dude hoo sold his Quon house ta Illyasova wen he played in town beefour. Big sellin' point wuz he could play video games on da big screen in da theater room, hey?
Wait... and NBA player likes video games??
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Wait... and NBA player likes video games??
Next thing you're going to tell me is they like marijuana too.
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With the "it's only summer league" caveat in mind, Wendell Carter has looked really good so far. Rim protection, switching to guards defensively, and making 3s. I think his upside is higher than some suspect and that he'll fit very nicely with Lauri.
We'll see if LaVine stops chucking enough to get both of them the ball.
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With the "it's only summer league" caveat in mind, Wendell Carter has looked really good so far. Rim protection, switching to guards defensively, and making 3s. I think his upside is higher than some suspect and that he'll fit very nicely with Lauri.
We'll see if LaVine stops chucking enough to get both of them the ball.
Carter is doing exactly what you'd want your high draft pick to do in Summer League - dominate.
With all these teams tanking to get a top 3 pick, wouldn't it be something if the Bulls were able to build a contender out of picks #5, #7 and #7 from consecutive drafts? Granted, they have a long way to go and I still expect GarPax to screw this up somehow and build a perennial 4 to 7 seed but so far it's encouraging.
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I said it before the draft and I'll say it again - Carter is a player.
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Carter is doing exactly what you'd want your high draft pick to do in Summer League - dominate.
With all these teams tanking to get a top 3 pick, wouldn't it be something if the Bulls were able to build a contender out of picks #5, #7 and #7 from consecutive drafts?
You mean like the pre-Durant Warriors?
2009 #7 Steph Curry
2010 #6 Ekpe Udo
2011 #11 Klay Thompson
2012 #7 Harrison Barnes & #35 Draymond Green
Yep, the Warriors highest pick was Ekpe Udoh. Pretty incredible to build a champion with zero top 5 picks.
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You mean like the pre-Durant Warriors?
2009 #7 Steph Curry
2010 #6 Ekpe Udo
2011 #11 Klay Thompson
2012 #7 Harrison Barnes & #35 Draymond Green
Yep, the Warriors highest pick was Ekpe Udoh. Pretty incredible to build a champion with zero top 5 picks.
Well played. Even Finals MVP Andre Iguodala was the #9 pick.
Though, technically Bogut and Livingston were both top 5 picks ;)
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Lookin' like adios Jabari, hey?
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It was inevitable.
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It was inevitable.
Disagree. It was always likely, but not necessarily a foregone conclusion. There are a lot of RFAs that are going to be left out in the cold this offseason, and accepting their qualifying offer gives them a clear path to UFA next offseason. So I think you'll see some RFAs leave money on the table to do that.
That being said it, if Jabari is able to get his $15M+/yr from the Kings or Bulls, more power to him and probably the best outcome for both sides. With so few bites at the apple left for the Bucks to pair Giannis with another star before his extension is up, MKE just couldn't afford to commit real money to Jabari for multiple years.
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Hypothetical trades...
To Bucks
PF Love
SF Korver
To Cleveland
Protected 1st
C Henson
PG Delly
PF Wilson
PF Maker
Cleveland needs to be top-10-pick bad the next couple seasons to hang onto their 1st Round pick. Henson and Delly each have 2 years left and will help with that. Wilson and Maker are both young with upside.
To Bucks
PG Schroder
To Magic
PG Bledsoe
To Hawks
C Vucevic or G Ross' expriring deal
Schroder might be a bit of a headcase but he played for Budenholzer in ATL so Bud would obviously need to sign off on this deal. The Hawks are in full-blown tank/rebuild mode. Giannis isn't a Bledsoe fan and Orlando is in desperate need of a PG.
There. I just retooled the Bucks. Anyone have Horst's contact info? ;)
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Wood luv ta no da Bucks taught process wit da entire Jabari clusterfook. Letin' da 2nd pick walk sans stink in return is an amateur move, hey?
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Hypothetical trades...
To Bucks
PF Love
SF Korver
To Cleveland
Protected 1st
C Henson
PG Delly
PF Wilson
PF Maker
Cleveland needs to be top-10-pick bad the next couple seasons to hang onto their 1st Round pick. Henson and Delly each have 2 years left and will help with that. Wilson and Maker are both young with upside.
I actually don't hate this trade and could see it working for both sides. The second trade I don't like. I don't see Schroeder as an improvement over Bledsoe.
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Once the Bulls rescinded Nwaba, it figured they had another move to make. I'd have to see the numbers on an offer sheet to Parker. I was kinda hoping their move was going to be to take on the Deng contract with a 2023 first rounder (with protections) thrown in for their troubles.
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Wood luv ta no da Bucks taught process wit da entire Jabari clusterfook. Letin' da 2nd pick walk sans stink in return is an amateur move, hey?
When were they supposed to trade him? You can blame the Bucks for some bad personnel moves but this isn’t one of them.
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Sign and trade him. Franchises that screw up by letting the #2 pick just walk away without compensation are destined to spin their wheels just to thread water before they sink in quick sand. Do you think the Celtics, Spurs, or Warriors take the stance MKE took? This is the type of miscue that egotistical novices like Edens, Lasry, Horst, and crew are prone to in attempting to navigate without a compass.
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I actually don't hate this trade and could see it working for both sides. The second trade I don't like. I don't see Schroeder as an improvement over Bledsoe.
Schroder is 4 years younger, has better assist numbers, and is a better defender, objectively and statistically. Its not light years better, but I cant stand Bledsoe on this team, so I think its an improvement.
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Once the Bulls rescinded Nwaba, it figured they had another move to make. I'd have to see the numbers on an offer sheet to Parker. I was kinda hoping their move was going to be to take on the Deng contract with a 2023 first rounder (with protections) thrown in for their troubles.
Apparently the Bulls think he can play SF, which seems like a massive stretch. Just seems like a really questionable fit.
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Rumors are that the reason a sign and trade isn’t working is that the Bulls want compesantiom should Jabari have continued problems with his knees. Bucks are balking and would rather call Bulls bluff.
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Question for Bucks fans. In 6 April games Parker's minutes jumped to about 32.
He averaged 19.5 and 8 with a 49.5% FG% and a 45.8% 3 PT%.
Granted it's an extremely small sample size but was there anything behind those greatly improved numbers that you can recall?
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Question for Bucks fans. In 6 April games Parker's minutes jumped to about 32.
He averaged 19.5 and 8 with a 49.5% FG% and a 45.8% 3 PT%.
Granted it's an extremely small sample size but was there anything behind those greatly improved numbers that you can recall?
His knee was feeling better.
There has never been a question about Jabari's offensive talents.
It's defense and health.
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His knee was feeling better.
There has never been a question about Jabari's offensive talents.
It's defense and health.
Thanks. If this happens the Bulls D is going to be all sorts of awful but it's not like stars ever want to sign in Chicago.
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Sign and trade him. Franchises that screw up by letting the #2 pick just walk away without compensation are destined to spin their wheels just to thread water before they sink in quick sand. Do you think the Celtics, Spurs, or Warriors take the stance MKE took? This is the type of miscue that egotistical novices like Edens, Lasry, Horst, and crew are prone to in attempting to navigate without a compass.
I don't understand what you're saying here.
It's too much like English.
And I ain't talkin' 'bout Alex.
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If it turns out to be the two year restricted deal, then I really don’t blame the Bucks for not matching, and don’t blame the Bulls on the short term risk. I think Parker and the Bucks is just simply a case of both sides knowing it’s probably best to move on. I think for Parker, going home gives him more of a comfort level than most other players, especially after being out and isolated in rehab most of the last few seasons.
I think it’s simply a rational decision on each party’s end here.
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Blaming the Bucks for not doing a sign and trade is silly. Two other parties (Jabari and the Bulls) have to agree to those terms. If neither wants to, it simply isn’t a possibility.
The second injury came at the absolute worst time. It left the Bucks with too short a timeframe to trade him and/or to evaluate how much to give him in a contract. They’ve made enough questionable moves of the past couple of years. No need to compound those with a big contract to a guy with knee issues.
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Saquonered opportunity, aina?
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The Bulls got a great deal on the Parker contract. Kudos to the Bucks for removing the qualifying offer. Long term it was a smart move on their end, they weren’t in a position to match, and theoretically Bartelstein owes them a solid down the road.
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jb passed on his option to stay with tibbs...could a homecoming be in the back of his mind for next year? he is taking a risk once again. turning down decent money for...oh no...no, nope, jb ain't got a family to feed yet. jb also ain't no latrell. besides, it ain't in him to choke no one either ;D
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jb passed on his option to stay with tibbs...could a homecoming be in the back of his mind for next year? he is taking a risk once again. turning down decent money for...oh no...no, nope, jb ain't got a family to feed yet. jb also ain't no latrell. besides, it ain't in him to choke no one either ;D
Irrationally holding out hope he comes home to Chicago to play with Kyrie and a young talented core.
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The Bulls got a great deal on the Parker contract. Kudos to the Bucks for removing the qualifying offer. Long term it was a smart move on their end, they weren’t in a position to match, and theoretically Bartelstein owes them a solid down the road.
Please elaborate. This and the Levine contract are terrible.
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Please elaborate. This and the Levine contract are terrible.
I think you could argue the risk was worth it if Jabari can get healthy, but $20MM is pretty insane given his history and performance.
The Bulls are going to give up 110 PPG next year.
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Please elaborate. This and the Levine contract are terrible.
Who's Levine?
There's absolutely no harm taking a chance on Parker based on the contract.
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Please elaborate. This and the Levine contract are terrible.
Because it is essentially a one year deal. If he sucks or gets injured, they can drop him. If he is good, they have him for a cheap year then have his Bird rights after that.
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Who's Levine?
There's absolutely no harm taking a chance on Parker based on the contract.
Bulls new point guard, Adam Levine.
(https://imgfave.azureedge.net/image_cache/1309038628536424.jpg)
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Bulls new point guard, Adam Levine.
(https://imgfave.azureedge.net/image_cache/1309038628536424.jpg)
I thought he was playing The 5?
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Bulls new point guard, Adam Levine.
(https://imgfave.azureedge.net/image_cache/1309038628536424.jpg)
Jeans and basketball, bold move.
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Please elaborate. This and the Levine contract are terrible.
As others have said, you get Parker on a one year deal with no risk.
One can argue they messed up utilizing max cap space they had available, and could have taken on bad money with gaining draft picks. I won’t argue that, but there’s no risk spinning the wheel on Parker for a year.
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Bulls new point guard, Adam Levine.
(https://imgfave.azureedge.net/image_cache/1309038628536424.jpg)
Nicely done.
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I guess the question is did the Bulls really get Jabari for "cheap?" I get that it's a 1+1 so there's little risk, but who was going to give Jabari either close to $20M even on a shorter term contract or a longer term but still solid (15M+?) money?
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I guess the question is did the Bulls really get Jabari for "cheap?" I get that it's a 1+1 so there's little risk, but who was going to give Jabari either close to $20M even on a shorter term contract or a longer term but still solid (15M+?) money?
Jabari's agent told the Bulls there were 10-12 teams interested for twice that amount! How could they not believe him? ;)
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Gotta hand it ta Edens abd Lasry, dey reely outsmarted da udder teems, aina?
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I guess the question is did the Bulls really get Jabari for "cheap?" I get that it's a 1+1 so there's little risk, but who was going to give Jabari either close to $20M even on a shorter term contract or a longer term but still solid (15M+?) money?
You have to weigh what the offset was here, the second year not being guaranteed. He most likely got more money up front in year one from the Bulls then was being offered elsewhere, but no security after year one.
Hypothetically if the Kings were offering 4 yrs/60 to Parker, all guaranteed, Parker took the Bulls offer of less overall cash to bet on himself.
I don't disagree that if you just had Parker out there, I don't think he's a $20 mil a year player, but a team generally overspends on offer sheets to restricted guys and the Bucks did Parker a solid, so I can see how he got what he got. If he gets hurt again or just can't play any more, it's not money the Bulls were going to spend on a young player anywhere else.
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Sounds like the Spurs and Raptors are finalizing a deal to send Kahwi Leonard to Toronto for Demar DeRozan. Brad Galli noted it's impressive if the Spurs can get DeRozan when everyone knows the only place he wants to go is LA.
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Yeah not sure what the Raptors are doing here. Trading for a guy who will have no interest in being in Toronto and sat out an entire year because he wasn't happy where he was, that has 1 year left on his contract and will be heading out to LA, and giving up a top 25 player with 4 years left on his contract I believe? Plus a first round pick and a young big that has shown some great potential (but getting a shooter back).
If Kawhi is healthy and buys in the Raptors could push the Celtics in the ECF I guess. But that's a best case scenario and next year you lose Kawhi. Not sure I get it.
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I mean, could a team any further from LA make this deal? The Raptors are at the other end of the continent in a different country. I mean, maybe the ability to offer a larger and longer max deal helps, but it's hard to believe one extra year and less than $3M/year salary is going to convince Leonard to stay in a place that seems to be the antithesis of what he's stated he wants.
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Yeah not sure what the Raptors are doing here. Trading for a guy who will have no interest in being in Toronto and sat out an entire year because he wasn't happy where he was, that has 1 year left on his contract and will be heading out to LA, and giving up a top 25 player with 4 years left on his contract I believe? Plus a first round pick and a young big that has shown some great potential (but getting a shooter back).
If Kawhi is healthy and buys in the Raptors could push the Celtics in the ECF I guess. But that's a best case scenario and next year you lose Kawhi. Not sure I get it.
Didn't everyone say the same thing about Paul George going to OKC? He was a #donedeal going to the Lakers this offseason! ;)
The Raptors needed to do something with DeRozan. They weren't going to get equal value from anyone else, since everyone knew that they were looking to move him and his massive contract. Nearly all of their other huge contracts come off the books after 2019-20 so their window is closing. Leonard is worth a shot, IMO. If nothing else, they can try to work out a sign-and-trade with an LA team next offseason to at least get something back. I can't imagine Leonard is happy with this deal but the grass isn't always greener.
Side note: Poeltl will be a great fit in SA.
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Didn't everyone say the same thing about Paul George going to OKC? He was a #donedeal going to the Lakers this offseason! ;)
The Raptors needed to do something with DeRozan. They weren't going to get equal value from anyone else, since everyone knew that they were looking to move him and his massive contract. Nearly all of their other huge contracts come off the books after 2019-20 so their window is closing. Leonard is worth a shot, IMO. If nothing else, they can try to work out a sign-and-trade with an LA team next offseason to at least get something back. I can't imagine Leonard is happy with this deal but the grass isn't always greener.
Side note: Poeltl will be a great fit in SA.
Yeah I certainly thought PG was only in OKC for a year. But at least he wasn't having his camp tell the media that he had "no interest" in playing in OKC before he was traded there like Kawhi is.
I thought the Raptors had to shake things up, but I would've been trying to move Lowry first. It's just tough for me to see how trading 4 years (again, too lazy to look up how long DeRozan signed for but I thought it was 5 years going into last season) of DeRozan for a guy who hasn't played in a year and only has 1 year left on his contract.
Agred on Poeltl. And they get a first round pick.
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Yeah I certainly thought PG was only in OKC for a year. But at least he wasn't having his camp tell the media that he had "no interest" in playing in OKC before he was traded there like Kawhi is.
I thought the Raptors had to shake things up, but I would've been trying to move Lowry first. It's just tough for me to see how trading 4 years (again, too lazy to look up how long DeRozan signed for but I thought it was 5 years going into last season) of DeRozan for a guy who hasn't played in a year and only has 1 year left on his contract.
Agred on Poeltl. And they get a first round pick.
DeRozan is signed for 2 more seasons plus a $27.7M player option...so 3 more seasons. He's only 28 though. That 1st Rounder is top 20 protected in 2019 and then becomes two 2nd Rounders.
As a Bulls fan, I can respect this move from the Raptors. Not all that long ago, the Bulls were a top team in the East but they weren't THE top team in the East. Despite this, they never wanted to take the risk of making a big move and breaking up their "core" to try to take down LeBron. They just kept going at it with what they had, which simply wasn't enough. If nothing else, Toronto is going for it this season in a wide-open East. They may get to the Finals or they may play 82 games with Leonard pouting at home but at least they're taking a shot.
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I agree with MM. This was worth a shot by the Raptors. As soon as they decided they didn't want DeRozan's contract any more, this was their best avenue to get rid of it.
Then there's this ...
Let's say the Lakers are better than many think they'll be next season - entirely possible with the best player on the planet on the team. Maybe they give up some nice chit before the trade deadline to get Kawhi.
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DeRozan is signed for 2 more seasons plus a $27.7M player option...so 3 more seasons. He's only 28 though. That 1st Rounder is top 20 protected in 2019 and then becomes two 2nd Rounders.
As a Bulls fan, I can respect this move from the Raptors. Not all that long ago, the Bulls were a top team in the East but they weren't THE top team in the East. Despite this, they never wanted to take the risk of making a big move and breaking up their "core" to try to take down LeBron. They just kept going at it with what they had, which simply wasn't enough. If nothing else, Toronto is going for it this season in a wide-open East. They may get to the Finals or they may play 82 games with Leonard pouting at home but at least they're taking a shot.
And you never know what Leonard is going to do after a year. And if he leaves, they've got a bunch of cap space to play with.
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If DeRozan remains healthy, the odds of him picking up the option is approximately 0%.
So 2 years of DeRozan for 1 year of Kawhi. If things work out, they re-sign Kawhi and Green. They compete with Boston and perhaps Philly for Eastern Conference supremacy.
If it doesn't work out, they pivot to a rebuild. I give Toronto credit for going for it.
Nice haul for the Spurs. They get an All Star to stay in the playoff hunt, a nice young big man, and a 1st round pick. Kudos to them for maximizing their return and not selling at a discount.
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Kawhi's camp leaking that he has no desire to head to Toronto. I used to like him starting to think he's a diva
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The only way to look at this positively from Toronto's standpoint is that they're eager to move on from DeRozan and this works out as a nice salary dump for them.
The "going for it" thing? Eh. This doesn't get them past Boston or maybe even Philly in the East, IMO, and that's assuming Leonard shows up healthy and willing to play hard.
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Porter to undergo another back surgery.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-michael-porter-jr-underwent-another-back-surgery-224112730.html
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Porter to undergo another back surgery.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-michael-porter-jr-underwent-another-back-surgery-224112730.html
Any docs on here understand what a "breakthrough grasps of a herniated disc" means. Never heard that phrase before and the interwebs have nothing.
Regardless, a second back surgery at this age is not a good sign. Even if he gets back to 100%, I'd envision his career to be a very short one.
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Any docs on here understand what a "breakthrough grasps of a herniated disc" means. Never heard that phrase before and the interwebs have nothing.
Regardless, a second back surgery at this age is not a good sign. Even if he gets back to 100%, I'd envision his career to be a very short one.
I'm a PA who works exclusively in spine surgery. I don't even understand what that is supposed to mean.
Makes you wonder about our own MU player with back surgery. Though I don't recall it was ever stated what type he had.
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Porter to undergo another back surgery.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-michael-porter-jr-underwent-another-back-surgery-224112730.html
;)
Porter might be this generation's Bowie/Oden, I'd stay far away from him.
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Any docs on here understand what a "breakthrough grasps of a herniated disc" means. Never heard that phrase before and the interwebs have nothing.
Regardless, a second back surgery at this age is not a good sign. Even if he gets back to 100%, I'd envision his career to be a very short one.
Eye'll translate four y'all. He bee fooked. Gettin' closer ta fusion, hey?
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Kawhi's camp leaking that he has no desire to head to Toronto. I used to like him starting to think he's a diva
I think it feels more likely that he’s just a temperamental weirdo. All that humble, drives an old Tahoe thing is great, but he still doesn’t want to leave his comfort zone. In some ways, it’s almost worse, cause you can expect it from a diva. He’s just the quiet kid sitting in the corner who doesn’t want to participate and only likes PB&J.
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I think it feels more likely that he’s just a temperamental weirdo. All that humble, drives an old Tahoe thing is great, but he still doesn’t want to leave his comfort zone. In some ways, it’s almost worse, cause you can expect it from a diva. He’s just the quiet kid sitting in the corner who doesn’t want to participate and only likes PB&J.
Perfect metaphor
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I think it feels more likely that he’s just a temperamental weirdo. All that humble, drives an old Tahoe thing is great, but he still doesn’t want to leave his comfort zone. In some ways, it’s almost worse, cause you can expect it from a diva. He’s just the quiet kid sitting in the corner who doesn’t want to participate and only likes PB&J.
Well stated.
As stories continue to come out, it also sounds more and more like his "handlers" are completely inept.
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I just assumed Leonard had no desire to go anyplace but the Lakers, and he'll take less money next year to go there.
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Jabari after signing his new contract: "They don't pay players to play defense."
Glad he ain't a Buck any more. He didn't play a lick of defense in three years and obviously has no plans to start anytime soon. If he scores less than 30 a game, he is a liability on the floor. One guy refusing to play 'D' bleeds over into the other guys on the floor.
I guess that is what GarPax wants.
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Jabari after signing his new contract: "They don't pay players to play defense."
Glad he ain't a Buck any more. He didn't play a lick of defense in three years and obviously has no plans to start anytime soon. If he scores less than 30 a game, he is a liability on the floor. One guy refusing to play 'D' bleeds over into the other guys on the floor.
I guess that is what GarPax wants.
I was surprised how candid Jabari was, he full quote I read: that “I just stick to my strengths. Look at everybody in the league. They don’t pay players to play defense. There’s only two people historically that play defense. I’m not going to say I won’t, but to say that’s a weakness is like saying that’s everybody’s weakness. Because I’ve scored 30 and 20 on a lot of guys that say they play defense.”
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There’s only two people historically that play defense.
Huh?
Sounds like a dope to me.
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Huh?
Sounds like a dope to me.
I think he's just a pretty bitter guy right now. He's only 23 and has had a ton of adversity from the time he was 19. Hopefully he catches a couple of breaks and the change of scenery helps refresh him, because by all accounts he's a really good dude.
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It's a dumb thing for Parker to say publicly - especially in the meathead capitol of America - but he's not entirely wrong.
A guy who scores but plays no D ... say James Harden .... will always be paid way better than an elite defender who lacks offensively, a la Marcus Smart.
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It's a dumb thing for Parker to say publicly - especially in the meathead capitol of America - but he's not entirely wrong.
A guy who scores but plays no D ... say James Harden .... will always be paid way better than an elite defender who lacks offensively, a la Marcus Smart.
But that's not really all that he said.
He also said "...but to say that's a weakness is like saying that's everybody's weakness." Not everyone is as bad as Jabari is on defense.
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I think he's just a pretty bitter guy right now. He's only 23 and has had a ton of adversity from the time he was 19. Hopefully he catches a couple of breaks and the change of scenery helps refresh him, because by all accounts he's a really good dude.
I’m just disappointed he won’t finish that modern commercial-to-house renovation he was starting on Brewers Hill
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I think he's just a pretty bitter guy right now. He's only 23 and has had a ton of adversity from the time he was 19. Hopefully he catches a couple of breaks and the change of scenery helps refresh him, because by all accounts he's a really good dude.
Can see why he'd be bitter.
When I was 23, I only had about $40 million, too.
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I think he's just a pretty bitter guy right now. He's only 23 and has had a ton of adversity from the time he was 19. Hopefully he catches a couple of breaks and the change of scenery helps refresh him, because by all accounts he's a really good dude.
Make that a good dude who will play zero defense. When he breaks down on 'D', the entire team defense breaks down. Good riddance.