Bailey declares for draft

[muguru]

But when you have 2 open scholarships you don’t need to replace him, you can just add the better player and keep the returning player.

True...OR what if you add TWO better players with the remaining scholarships *Cough Mane *cough. *cough Santos-Silva *cough

However, Brews statement was it's never good to lose your best returning player, which is a factual statement UNLESS you do lose him, but replace him with a better player(s).

[bilsu]

This is one thing I have never been able to understand, why the mods so loosely moderate stuff here and allow all the harsh criticism of players. It's not a good look for one thing, for another, recruits DO read message bards, or if they don't, relatives or their friends or someone does. To think it can't have an affect is wrong.

We should not even need mods to do this. We simply should not be overly criticize our players. I understand people being disappointed with a loss, but some posters need a reality check on what is really important in life.
I try not to be negative about players, but this site just seems to suck me in. I would not come here at all except I want to know what is going on with recruiting. Even with potential recruits some posters are saying they do not want this recruit. I do not understand this. Unless you personally know a player, you do not know if they fit in with the team. Even a player ranked 50th might not be better than a player ranked just outside top 100. It is up to the coaches to get the players that best fit the team. The coaches need to decide  if a recruit is better than an open scholarship.

[PGsHeroes32]

Yeah, you sound like a really reasonable person. Keep talking garbage. When information is a known straight from the source that is a fact. I'll just let this stupid thread be. Go ahead do the damage.

Wait, so me telling you that you don't know what a fact is, is now whats going to ruin our chance at Mane??

LOL

[brewcity77]

True...OR what if you add TWO better players with the remaining scholarships *Cough Mane *cough. *cough Santos-Silva *cough

I'm not sure either of them are better than Bailey. They might be shinier and newer, but at this level, Bailey is more proven.

[PGsHeroes32]

I'm not sure either of them are better than Bailey. They might be shinier and newer, but at this level, Bailey is more proven.

Santos Silva is far more proven.

He plays in the A10 not MEAC.

[muguru]

I'm not sure either of them are better than Bailey. They might be shinier and newer, but at this level, Bailey is more proven.

Bailey is more proven then Mane, I'm not sure he is more proven then Santos Silva..that kid is a walking double-double. But even if we say he is more proven, on a PURE talent basis, I will take Mane and Santos-Silva over Bailey, and I think Bailey is a decent player.

[JakeBarnes]

True...OR what if you add TWO better players with the remaining scholarships *Cough Mane *cough. *cough Santos-Silva *cough

However, Brews statement was it's never good to lose your best returning player, which is a factual statement UNLESS you do lose him, but replace him with a better player(s).

Something about the bird in hand

[Lennys Tap]

Unless....you can replace him with a better player

I remember when we were gonna replace Sam with a better player (Bailey). How did that work. BB will be a 23 year old player with two year’s of BE experience under his belt. Starter or reserve next year he has real value. Don’t want to lose him.

[MU82]

I remember when we were gonna replace Sam with a better player (Bailey). How did that work. BB will be a 23 year old player with two year’s of BE experience under his belt. Starter or reserve next year he has real value. Don’t want to lose him.

Outstanding take, Lenny.

[brewcity77]

Santos Silva is far more proven.

He plays in the A10 not MEAC.

You may not be aware, but Marquette is in the Big East, a perennial top-3 conference. In his time there, per Pomeroy, VCU has played a top-100 SOS just once, which was last year when they played the 94th toughest SOS. He's not proven at this level and the A-10 is not in the same zip code as the Big East.

[muguru]

I remember when we were gonna replace Sam with a better player (Bailey). How did that work. BB will be a 23 year old player with two year’s of BE experience under his belt. Starter or reserve next year he has real value. Don’t want to lose him.

Sure, I'd rather not lose him either, the ideal scenario for me would be to keep him and add Mane and Santos-Silva with the last two scholarships.

[PGsHeroes32]

You may not be aware, but Marquette is in the Big East, a perennial top-3 conference. In his time there, per Pomeroy, VCU has played a top-100 SOS just once, which was last year when they played the 94th toughest SOS. He's not proven at this level and the A-10 is not in the same zip code as the Big East.

I think the only one unaware is you lol.

I am well aware of what league Marquette is in and I am well aware that Santos has proven far more.

Its really not even close.

[brewcity77]

I think the only one unaware is you lol.

I am well aware of what league Marquette is in and I am well aware that Santos has proven far more.

Its really not even close.

I think Santos-Silva would be a good get. I also recognize that he put up 13/9 in the same league Joseph Chartouny put up 12/5/5. He's proven nothing at this level.

[MUDPT]

FWIW, BB has been on both zoom calls that MU posted on social media since he declared.

[PGsHeroes32]

Santos-Silva in 6 games vs Tennessee, Purdue, Wichita State, LSU and Dayton

14.8 pts 9.5 rebounds 60% field goals

Yeah, not proven!!

The wichita game was the only one where he didnt hit double digits in either pts or rebounds( 7 and 7) and didnt shoot 50%(3/7). Foul trouble got him that game.

I want Bailey to stay here. But I will trust Santos-Silva all day over Bailey to give me a consistent performance.

[brewcity77]

Santos-Silva in 6 games vs Tennessee, Purdue, Wichita State, LSU and Dayton

14.8 pts 9.5 rebounds 60% field goals

Yeah, not proven!!

Chartouny put up 10.2 ppg/3 apg/4 spg in 6 games against FSU, WVU, Davidson, URI, & St Bonaventure (all tourney teams) his last year at Fordham.

So you are correct, not proven. Not at this level. Thank you for admitting it.

[muguru]

I think Santos-Silva would be a good get. I also recognize that he put up 13/9 in the same league Joseph Chartouny put up 12/5/5. He's proven nothing at this level.

To be fair though Brew, he put up 22-11 against Tennessee this past season, 19-2 against Purdue and 19-11 against LSU. Not to mention he had 12-17 and 12-9 against Obi Toppin this year as well.

The year before he had 6-12 against St. John's, 12-16 vs. Texas, 8-10 against Virginia, and then for good measure had a game of 26-22 against Rhode Island. So he has shown out against high major competition in a big way. Chartouny never did that.

[PGsHeroes32]

Chartouny put up 10.2 ppg/3 apg/4 spg in 6 games against FSU, WVU, Davidson, URI, & St Bonaventure (all tourney teams) his last year at Fordham.

So you are correct, not proven. Not at this level. Thank you for admitting it.

Chartouny also shot 13/44 in those games.

So yeah, keep trying what aint working.

[PGsHeroes32]

Chartouny put up 10.2 ppg/3 apg/4 spg in 6 games against FSU, WVU, Davidson, URI, & St Bonaventure (all tourney teams) his last year at Fordham.

So you are correct, not proven. Not at this level. Thank you for admitting it.

Santos-Silva vs the 5 best A10 teams last year not named Dayton(we already saw he ate vs them)

Richmond: 14 and 10 on 50% in 2 games
St. Louis: 11 and 6 83% in 1 game
Rhode Island: 9 and 9 47% in 2 games
St Bonnies 17 and 11 75% 1 game
Duquense: 24 and 8 64% in 1 game

14 ppg 9 rebounds ppg total

His numbers are weighted down by playing the trash teams.

[brewcity77]

Now we're trying to compare Rhode Island, SLU, and Richmond to Villanova, Seton Hall, and Providence? Not exactly helping the argument.

Further demonstrating my point. Thanks again.

[PGsHeroes32]

Now we're trying to compare Rhode Island, SLU, and Richmond to Villanova, Seton Hall, and Providence? Not exactly helping the argument.

Further demonstrating my point. Thanks again.

HAHAHA my god are you dumb

Not once was that stated. Excellent back track tho.

But lets keep playing for fun. Bailey agsinst those teams

Nova: 1 ppg 2 rb 0/8 from the field
Seton Hall:4.5 ppg 9 rb 3/17 from the field
Providence: 9.5 ppg and 5 rb 5/10 from the field

4.8 ppg 5.3 rb 23% from the floor.

Yeah Bailey was really proven against those great teams. He had 1 really good game out of 6. And happened to miss the tying free throw in that game.

[brewcity77]

HAHAHA my god are you dumb

Not once was that stated. Excellent back track tho.

But lets keep playing for fun. Bailey agsinst those teams

Nova: 1 ppg 2 rb 0/8 from the field
Seton Hall:4.5 ppg 9 rb 3/17 from the field
Providence: 9.5 ppg and 5 rb 5/10 from the field

4.8 ppg 5.3 rb 23% from the floor.

Yeah Bailey was really proven against those great teams. He had 1 really good game out of 6. And happened to miss the tying free throw in that game.

Not sure how you comparing the next non-one-seed teams in the A-10 to the non-one-seed teams in the Big East is backtracking, it's just false equivalence on your part.

And no matter what you might say, Bailey is pretty clearly our best returning player. Maybe that says something about the state of the program. Maybe that says something about recruiting or player development. But he played against Big East teams. Santos-Silva didn't. That's not a debatable point. It's just facts.

Maybe MSS would be great in the Big East. Maybe he'd be Chartouny v2.0. Until we're on a shorter list it's not really relevant. Certainly no more relevant than trying to hype up stats against Duquesne and St. Bonaventure teams that were worse according to kenpom than literally every team in the Big East.

[PGsHeroes32]

Not sure how you comparing the next non-one-seed teams in the A-10 to the non-one-seed teams in the Big East is backtracking, it's just false equivalence on your part.

And no matter what you might say, Bailey is pretty clearly our best returning player. Maybe that says something about the state of the program. Maybe that says something about recruiting or player development. But he played against Big East teams. Santos-Silva didn't. That's not a debatable point. It's just facts.

Maybe MSS would be great in the Big East. Maybe he'd be Chartouny v2.0. Until we're on a shorter list it's not really relevant. Certainly no more relevant than trying to hype up stats against Duquesne and St. Bonaventure teams that were worse according to kenpom than literally every team in the Big East.

I didn't compare anything. You brought up the teams. You said MSS wasnt proven. He is proven.

His stats get better the better the competition. That is a fact(since you want to play the fact game). He was at his best in non con games. He was at his best when playing the top teams in the A10.

This caused you to spiral. You then reference Chartouny who shot 29% in the games you referenced. And in those games you referenced unlike MSS his stat line was worse than his season averages. Once again, better implying a decline.

MSS has proven himself against good competition.

Never once did I say Bailey wasn't our best returning player, once again you are back tracking because the facts prove your initial comment idiotic.

The numbers never lie.

[brewcity77]

I didn't compare anything. You brought up the teams. You said MSS wasnt proven. He is proven.

His stats get better the better the competition. That is a fact(since you want to play the fact game). He was at his best in non con games. He was at his best when playing the top teams in the A10.

This caused you to spiral. You then reference Chartouny who shot 29% in the games you referenced. And in those games you referenced unlike MSS his stat line was worse than his season averages. Once again, better implying a decline.

MSS has proven himself against good competition.

Never once did I say Bailey wasn't our best returning player, once again you are back tracking because the facts prove your initial comment idiotic.

The numbers never lie.

You brought up the team by citing the specific teams in the A-10 as evidence that he is proven at the Big East level. I provided appropriate context with the equally in-league Big East teams by rank. You brought up those teams, even if indirectly.

If he gets better in the best games, then how do you explain that in all games, MSS had an offensive rating of 106.5, against conference opponents it drops to 104.0, against Tier A+B opponents it drops to 103.4, and against Tier A only it drops all the way to 96.1.

If the number aren't lying, does that mean you are?

[PGsHeroes32]

You brought up the team by citing the specific teams in the A-10 as evidence that he is proven at the Big East level. I provided appropriate context with the equally in-league Big East teams by rank. You brought up those teams, even if indirectly.

If he gets better in the best games, then how do you explain that in all games, MSS had an offensive rating of 106.5, against conference opponents it drops to 104.0, against Tier A+B opponents it drops to 103.4, and against Tier A only it drops all the way to 96.1.

If the number aren't lying, does that mean you are?

Because YOU said that he wasn't proven. I proved what he has proven. His averages and FG% both go up against the better competition whether it is non con or A10 top tier teams.

The numbers I supported do not lie. They are factual numbers. So no, I am not lying. The only lie was your implication that I stated Bailey was not our best returning player(never said he was or wasn't).

Better yet. You think if Bailey went into the transfer portal he would have more/more impressive suitors than MSS??? Laughable.

MSS has proven more on a D1 basketball court. That is unarguable.

Take the L and move on.