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Title: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Marcus92 on August 07, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
This kid looks long, lean, quick and fearless with the ball. Check out the sequence starting at 0:35. He comes down with a long rebound just past the free throw line and gets to the hoop with just 3 dribbles while beating 2 defenders — in about 3 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN0aVngJFV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN0aVngJFV8)

Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Herman Cain on August 07, 2017, 09:15:22 PM
This kid looks long, lean, quick and fearless with the ball. Check out the sequence starting at 0:35. He comes down with a long rebound just past the free throw line and gets to the hoop with just 3 dribbles while beating 2 defenders — in about 3 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN0aVngJFV8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN0aVngJFV8)
This young man is going to be a tremendous ball player for us. He is very defensive minded and team oriented. In his senior year he showed the offensive skills.  The kid is an absolute pogo stick with a great attitude. Very excited for his future.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 07, 2017, 09:17:18 PM
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Newsdreams on August 07, 2017, 10:14:48 PM
This young man is going to be a tremendous ball player for us. He is very defensive minded and team oriented. In his senior year he showed the offensive skills.  The kid is an absolute pogo stick with a great attitude. Very excited for his future.
What about his neck?
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Herman Cain on August 07, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
What about his neck?
He is working on it with Todd.  He has a good base neck.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 08, 2017, 12:22:16 AM
Like the athleticism and the court vision. I think he could be developed into a point. Gonna have to work on his shot. That release point is too low.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Marcus92 on August 08, 2017, 12:37:40 AM
Like the athleticism and the court vision. I think he could be developed into a point. Gonna have to work on his shot. That release point is too low.

It's hard to judge too much about his form based on a handful of highlights that only show made threes. But I had the same thought. Doesn't look like he always squares up. Relatively low trajectory, as well.

Hopefully those are all things he can improve on. If not, Elliott seems to know how to score. While I'd like to see better shooting than Junior Cadougan — 21.7% from 3-point range for his MU career — running the offense, breaking down defenses and creating opportunities for others are all more important.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: bilsu on August 08, 2017, 11:55:14 AM
I really like Elliot and have predicted he would be the freshmen that has the most impact for us this year. What I did not like about the video is that his three point shots reminded of Sandy Cohen.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Herman Cain on August 08, 2017, 12:15:35 PM
I really like Elliot and have predicted he would be the freshmen that has the most impact for us this year. What I did not like about the video is that his three point shots reminded of Sandy Cohen.
His form will be corrected by coaches and through gaining strength. The team first attitude is something that can't be taught and that is why I like him so much . Don't see that often these days.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: WarriorFan on August 08, 2017, 10:18:14 PM
Like the athleticism... but his shot won't work in D1.  It's like early JJJ meets Sandy Cohen.  The "repair" process - if he buys in - will take one year plus.  He won't make a 3 in a game til he's a junior.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: wadesworld on August 08, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
Like the athleticism... but his shot won't work in D1.  It's like early JJJ meets Sandy Cohen.  The "repair" process - if he buys in - will take one year plus.  He won't make a 3 in a game til he's a junior.

I will put down 10 grand that he makes a single three pointer before his sophomore year of eligibility is up and give you 10:1 odds.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Herman Cain on August 08, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
Like the athleticism... but his shot won't work in D1.  It's like early JJJ meets Sandy Cohen.  The "repair" process - if he buys in - will take one year plus.  He won't make a 3 in a game til he's a junior.
We are not asking the young man to be a three point specialist at this point in his career. There are plenty of those guys on the team.  We are looking for some tough D , move the ball to open man and the occasional slash to the basket.  The good news is we are deep at Greg's positions and thus have the luxury to work him in at a pace that makes sense and were he can contribute the most at this stage of his development.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on August 09, 2017, 05:38:32 AM
Love his talent.  Think he will surprise a lot of people on this board.  This team is loaded with talent and depth.  Play ball!
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: muwarrior69 on August 09, 2017, 09:59:04 AM
He looks like Haani always going to his right.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: bilsu on August 09, 2017, 11:27:04 AM
We are not asking the young man to be a three point specialist at this point in his career. There are plenty of those guys on the team.  We are looking for some tough D , move the ball to open man and the occasional slash to the basket.  The good news is we are deep at Greg's positions and thus have the luxury to work him in at a pace that makes sense and were he can contribute the most at this stage of his development.
I disagree about being deep at his position. We have guys that can play the two, but they are really threes. There are only three pure guards on the team. Howard, Rowsey and Elliot.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
I disagree about being deep at his position. We have guys that can play the two, but they are really threes. There are only three pure guards on the team. Howard, Rowsey and Elliot.

Haanif and Cain are 2s before they are 3s.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: GGGG on August 09, 2017, 01:56:16 PM
2s and 3s are basically the same anyway.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: bilsu on August 09, 2017, 03:57:34 PM
Haanif and Cain are 2s before they are 3s.
Haanif cannot handle a press. I do not know about Cain. Late last season and it might of been against South Carolina Haanif turned the ball over a couple of times when facing pressure. He can fill in at the two, but he is not a pure guard.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: jsglow on August 09, 2017, 04:04:24 PM
Haanif cannot handle a press. I do not know about Cain. Late last season and it might of been against South Carolina Haanif turned the ball over a couple of times when facing pressure. He can fill in at the two, but he is not a pure guard.

 :o
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2017, 04:08:30 PM
Haanif cannot handle a press. I do not know about Cain. Late last season and it might of been against South Carolina Haanif turned the ball over a couple of times when facing pressure. He can fill in at the two, but he is not a pure guard.

I don't think you know what a two guard is
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Osiris on August 09, 2017, 06:37:49 PM
I don't think you know what a two guard is

I suppose everyone has their own nuanced interpretation of what a true two guard 'is' but by any reasonable person's measure, a two guard must be able to handle the ball against pressure. 

My hope is that Haanif spent spent the off season focusing on his off-hand dribble control and finishing so that he can provide viable minutes in a two guard capacity when needed.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: jsglow on August 09, 2017, 07:13:16 PM
I suppose everyone has their own nuanced interpretation of what a true two guard 'is' but by any reasonable person's measure, a two guard must be able to handle the ball against pressure. 

My hope is that Haanif spent spent the off season focusing on his off-hand dribble control and finishing so that he can provide viable minutes in a two guard capacity when needed.

Sure it's nice.  But in 'old school' basketball there are THREE positions: Center. Hanni? Um, no.  Forward: Well, maybe as Hanni is listed at 6'5" so I suppose one could think of him in the #3 slot. Guard: Well, MU plays what we've historically called a 3 guard lineup with two bigs so there's that.

Now the point is we certainly want a better ball handler on the floor although if Hanni can do what Katin did last year that would be fine.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Herman Cain on August 09, 2017, 08:01:24 PM
I suppose everyone has their own nuanced interpretation of what a true two guard 'is' but by any reasonable person's measure, a two guard must be able to handle the ball against pressure. 

My hope is that Haanif spent spent the off season focusing on his off-hand dribble control and finishing so that he can provide viable minutes in a two guard capacity when needed.
Just to put things in perspective, Haani is listed 59th in the 2019 mock NBA draft. He is the only player from Marquette listed on the any of the Mock drafts .
http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft

I am bullish on Haanif's prospects for improvement. He is a high quality young man.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: GGGG on August 09, 2017, 09:13:40 PM
I suppose everyone has their own nuanced interpretation of what a true two guard 'is' but by any reasonable person's measure, a two guard must be able to handle the ball against pressure. 

My hope is that Haanif spent spent the off season focusing on his off-hand dribble control and finishing so that he can provide viable minutes in a two guard capacity when needed.

No it really isn't nuanced. You have players who can handle. They could be guards or forwards or centers or whatever.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2017, 09:32:11 PM
Sure it's nice.  But in 'old school' basketball there are THREE positions: Center. Hanni? Um, no.  Forward: Well, maybe as Hanni is listed at 6'5" so I suppose one could think of him in the #3 slot. Guard: Well, MU plays what we've historically called a 3 guard lineup with two bigs so there's that.

Now the point is we certainly want a better ball handler on the floor although if Hanni can do what Katin did last year that would be fine.

I would say that in today's games there are point guards, wings, and forwards....with the occasional center who is becoming more and more necessary.

Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think Haanie struggled against the press any more than any of our other players did last season. Katin was the only one I remember being consistently solid against the press.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2017, 09:35:52 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/895323197213626368

Newcomer preview for Elliott. He makes a three  ;D
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Herman Cain on August 09, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
Wojo is bullish on Elliot

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/895323197213626368
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2017, 10:27:49 PM
Wojo is bullish on Elliot

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/895323197213626368

Damn! I wish I would have posted that here.  ;D
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: wadesworld on August 09, 2017, 10:43:16 PM
I would say that in today's games there are point guards, wings, and forwards....with the occasional center who is becoming more and more necessary.

Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think Haanie struggled against the press any more than any of our other players did last season. Katin was the only one I remember being consistently solid against the press.

Rowsey was solid against the press, had a few random boneheaded plays here and there.  Markus definitely needs to improve against it.  Sam was smart enough to be a reliable outlet and know not to get himself into trouble.  But Haanif was by far the worst against the press.  That St. John's loss...WOOF.  Horrendous.  Not sure I've ever seen a college player struggle that bad against ball pressure.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2017, 10:47:18 PM
Haanie was dreadful against St. John's . Though everyone kind of was.  That's the only game I can remember him distinctly struggling against the press.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on August 09, 2017, 10:49:20 PM
Haanie was dreadful against St. John's . Though everyone kind of was.  That's the only game I can remember him distinctly struggling against the press.

Two years ago, but Iowa but I don't think he was put in a position to succeed.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on August 10, 2017, 09:26:21 AM
Wojo is bullish on Elliot

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/895323197213626368
I'm sure it's all an act so that when he starts playing mind games the result will be all the more devastating.
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on August 10, 2017, 09:29:56 AM
I'm sure it's all an act so that when he starts playing mind games the result will be all the more devastating.

Gotta respect the long game
Title: Re: Greg Elliott highlights
Post by: bilsu on August 10, 2017, 03:11:38 PM
I don't think you know what a two guard is
Wojo wants all three positions PG, 2g & Sf to be able to initiate the offense. There is no true point guard. The 2g better be able to handle the ball.