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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #50 on: April 13, 2021, 02:21:01 PM »
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #51 on: April 13, 2021, 03:35:47 PM »
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 13, 2021, 11:46:32 AM
Yeah, 30 sec, releasable on a score foul. Other brilliant idea would be hockey/lacrosse substitutions. You could literally have someone like Theo running Davante strolling back for D and take him off on the fly.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #52 on: April 13, 2021, 03:37:39 PM »
Quote from: TSmith34 on April 13, 2021, 03:35:47 PM
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Shouldn't you change the D to an O then?
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2021, 07:33:10 PM »
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 13, 2021, 03:37:39 PM
Shouldn't you change the D to an O then?
I see I misunderstood your meaning. I read it as having Theo run off the court as he goes back on D...which of course makes no sense in retrospect. My bad.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2021, 09:59:33 PM »
Quote from: DienerTime34 on April 13, 2021, 10:56:11 AM
But players think differently than they did even 10-15 years ago.

Well, 15 years ago, the NBA and its players association agreed to a CBA that required athletes to play at least one year post-HS.

In the 5+ years before that, lots of players who were nowhere near ready for the NBA skipped college entirely to make a go of the pros. A few succeeded spectacularly; most did not.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2021, 10:16:09 AM »
When does Dawson need to decide if he staying in the draft or coming back by? Isn't it like late April?
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2021, 10:17:55 AM »
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 14, 2021, 10:16:09 AM
When does Dawson need to decide if he staying in the draft or coming back by? Isn't it like late April?

I don't think the exact date is set yet...I thought I heard it's early July some time.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2021, 10:18:57 AM »
Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 14, 2021, 10:17:55 AM
I don't think the exact date is set yet...I thought I heard it's early July some time.

July 7, I believe.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2021, 10:19:29 AM »
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2021, 10:21:52 AM »
Yes, we could be on pins and needles over DG for quite some time.

Or he could get all the feedback he needs to make a decision well before 7/19. That would be nice.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2021, 10:22:03 AM »
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2021, 10:23:17 AM »
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 14, 2021, 10:19:29 AM

Looks like the withdrawal date is July 19.

https://247sports.com/Article/NBA-Draft-dates-college-basketball-early-entry-withdrawal-date-Cade-Cunningham-Evan-Mobley-Jalen-Suggs-163307121/

That said, I thought it was 10 days from after combine for NCAA purposes thus how i got july 7
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2021, 10:26:59 AM »
Woof, July 7th eh?  That's a long time to hold that spot open, especially with the transfer market this offseason and now only having 1 spot to play with.  Almost gotta operate assuming he's gone and if he comes back, its gonna suck for someone at the end of the roster. 
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2021, 10:27:21 AM »
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 14, 2021, 10:23:17 AM
That said, I thought it was 10 days from after combine for NCAA purposes thus how i got july 7


You might be right. Either way, it's an awfully long time.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2021, 10:43:31 AM »
Quote from: GooooMarquette on April 14, 2021, 10:27:21 AM

You might be right. Either way, it's an awfully long time.

Dawson isn't close to being NBA material right now.  He doesn't have the athleticism to play great defense and nothing of his offensive skillset is NBA quality right now.  If drafted, you'd be hoping he develops his offensive game in the G league.  The only way he stays on any court is if his offensive game becomes elite there.  Right now, he can't get his own shot.  Dawson isn't even ranked in top 100 NBA draft prospects.  He'll be back next season.  If he makes a huge jump he's probably gone after that.  If his development is more "paced" then probably a 50/50 shot he enters and is probably a 2nd rounder -rotational at best type player off the bench. 
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2021, 10:46:02 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 14, 2021, 10:43:31 AM
Dawson isn't close to being NBA material right now.  He doesn't have the athleticism to play great defense and nothing of his offensive skillset is NBA quality right now.  If drafted, you'd be hoping he develops his offensive game in the G league.  The only way he stays on any court is if his offensive game becomes elite there.  Right now, he can't get his own shot.  Dawson isn't even ranked in top 100 NBA draft prospects.  He'll be back next season.  If he makes a huge jump he's probably gone after that.  If his development is more "paced" then probably a 50/50 shot he enters and is probably a 2nd rounder -rotational at best type player off the bench.

Feel like we were saying the same thing about Vander Blue years ago. Can't say he made the right choice, but he still chose to stay in the draft. You never know what's going on inside a 19 year old's head.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2021, 10:46:40 AM »
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 14, 2021, 10:43:31 AM
Dawson isn't close to being NBA material right now.  He doesn't have the athleticism to play great defense and nothing of his offensive skillset is NBA quality right now.  If drafted, you'd be hoping he develops his offensive game in the G league.  The only way he stays on any court is if his offensive game becomes elite there.  Right now, he can't get his own shot.  Dawson isn't even ranked in top 100 NBA draft prospects.  He'll be back next season.  If he makes a huge jump he's probably gone after that.  If his development is more "paced" then probably a 50/50 shot he enters and is probably a 2nd rounder -rotational at best type player off the bench.


Totally agree. But we have seen quite a few examples of the NBA drafting based on potential, not fully refined skills. And Dawson has plenty of NBA potential.

I very much hope he returns, but I won't be shocked either way.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2021, 10:47:11 AM »
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on April 14, 2021, 10:46:02 AM
Feel like we were saying the same thing about Vander Blue years ago. Can't say he made the right choice, but he still chose to stay in the draft. You never know what's going on inside a 19 year old's head.

Vander blue at least had a legit shot at being a second round pick. Not a great shot but a shot. Dawson doesn't have a shot.
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2021, 10:47:51 AM »
A year of playing faster would help Garcia. 
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« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2021, 10:50:09 AM »
Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
A year of playing faster would help Garcia.

Honestly, time to mature a bit will help him too. I expect him to take a big leap from Frosh to Soph year if he stays. Especially in a system that will put him less in the low post and allow him to create off the pick and roll (and lead to more spot up shots from the PNR).
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2021, 11:10:52 AM »
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 14, 2021, 10:50:09 AM
Honestly, time to mature a bit will help him too. I expect him to take a big leap from Frosh to Soph year if he stays. Especially in a system that will put him less in the low post and allow him to create off the pick and roll (and lead to more spot up shots from the PNR).

He didn't play all that much low post.   He played a lot more high post in the 3-out/2-in sets, generally setting the initial high pick.   
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« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2021, 11:13:15 AM »
Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2021, 11:10:52 AM
He didn't play all that much low post.   He played a lot more high post in the 3-out/2-in sets, generally setting the initial high pick.

Then my eye test failed. It always felt he was stuck there in games. Felt like a waste.
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« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2021, 11:23:50 AM »
He would get there during the ball movement and offensive rotations.  A couple of ball reversals and picks and late in the clock he would get the ball on the block.  He rarely started there.     
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Re: The Waters for Dawson.
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2021, 11:32:22 AM »
There is very little reason DG will not get the NBA feedback relatively quickly.   He will make a decision well before the deadline. 
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