2021-22 Big East Conference Results

[The Equalizer]

Considering Wojo "led" Marquette to 9th place finish in his 7th year on the job, had zero NCAA wins, and was let go by Marquette?  Pretty sure GTown fans would NOT sign off on that hire.  At all.  I get the East Coast native angle, yet many of Wojo's ace recruits were from the relationships of Stan and Dwayne Killings.

And yet, Wojo would be an upgrade for Georgetown.

In a terrible season, he still won 8 games in conference, which is 8 more than Georgetown has right now.

[wadesworld]

https://twitter.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1490402158864478212?s=20&t=WN_1E8n12ZqfEx6JsXBOgg

@HolyLandofHoops
Ok, I understand the @BIGEASTMBB has rules on rescheduling of games, but the fact that Providence doesn’t play a single game all upcoming week and yet has three games that apparently won’t be rescheduled is not great.

I agree.  The Big East rescheduling rules are dumb.

Teams they had games cancelled with and didn't make up:

Seton Hall - play Xavier on Wednesday, Villanova on Saturday
UCONN - play Marquette on Tuesday, Xavier on Friday
Creighton - play Butler on Tuesday, Georgetown on Saturday

So if you try to reschedule the only real option is maybe at Creighton on Thursday, in which you're making both teams play 3 games in 5 days.

Just not real options to reschedule those this week.  And then they're playing twice a week through March 1.

[TallTitan34]

So if you try to reschedule the only real option is maybe at Creighton on Thursday, in which you're making both teams play 3 games in 5 days.

Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games.  I'd be pissed if I were them.

[wadesworld]

Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games.  I'd be pissed if I were them.

Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row.  But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.  Providence would be more rested than the team you are having them play against.

Creighton would play Butler at 8:00 PM Tuesday, then a (presumably) evening game on Thursday, then fly out that night? for their 11:00 AM game at Georgetown on Saturday.  It just doesn't really fit.

[Ardmore Mug]

NM

[TallTitan34]

Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row.  But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.

I think that game was postponed because of St. John's not Seton Hall.  St. John's postponed their Dec. 20, Dec. 23, Dec. 29, and Jan. 1 games which included Seton Hall and Marquette.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Seton Hall played 3 games in 5 days in order to make up games.  I'd be pissed if I were them.

I am assuming Seton Hall agreed to this arrangement though right?  Also, the made up game was a short bus ride in the same metropolitan area and would not involve a flight from Providence to Omaha.

Also, it's Seton Hall.  If they're pissed, that's OK.

[TallTitan34]

But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.

And by not rescheduling you are rewarding the team that did have to shut down.

I have a bigger problem with percentage determining standings.  They should sort by win total then percentage.  Neither system is fair but why reward the teams that didn't play their games. If you had to shut down and can't have the game rescheduled, you lose a chance at a win.

Villanova shouldn't have won the Big East last year at 11-4 over 13-6 Creighton.  That's crap, especially when Villanova canceled a game for mental health. 

[TallTitan34]

Also, the made up game was a short bus ride in the same metropolitan area and would not involve a flight from Providence to Omaha.

That's true.

[wadesworld]

And by not rescheduling you are rewarding the team that did have to shut down.

I have a bigger problem with percentage determining standings.  They should sort by win total then percentage.  Neither system is fair but why reward the teams that didn't play their games.

Villanova shouldn't have won the Big East last year at 11-4 over 13-6 Creighton.  That's crap, especially when Villanova canceled a game for mental health.

Every level of sports goes off of win percentage.  That's just common sense.  A team that sits at 6-4 is off to a better start to the season than a team that sits at 6-6, not an equally good start.

Of course it sucks that Providence missed 3 games that all could be possible losses.  But that's the reality we live in during the pandemic.  There's no right way to do these things.  I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.

[TallTitan34]

Every level of sports goes off of win percentage. 

That's fine when everyone plays near the same amount of games.

[TallTitan34]

There's no right way to do these things.  I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.

That's why you should sort by win total.

If you had to shut down and can't have the game rescheduled, you lose a chance at a win.

[TallTitan34]

I don't think Providence is intentionally dodging those games, I think it's just hard to schedule them.

I agree.

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.

[PGsHeroes32]

Yes, the team making up the games played a bunch in a row.  But in this case, you're punishing a team that didn't have to shut down.  Providence would be more rested than the team you are having them play against.

Creighton would play Butler at 8:00 PM Tuesday, then a (presumably) evening game on Thursday, then fly out that night? for their 11:00 AM game at Georgetown on Saturday.  It just doesn't really fit.

You're definitely right.

Although, may be in Creightons best interest to try and get that Q1 win.

[Oldgym]

I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.

100%.  A good showing in the BET = momentum going into the dance.

[JakeBarnes]

I'm much more invested in our chances in the BET than finishing at the top in the regular season. Win the BET and get better seeding and possibly be placed in the MW region as well. A spiffy banner is a bonus but more important than that, we would get publicity that recruits and transfers will see.

I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

[Pepe Sylvia]

I want Marquette to go somewhere and leave with a win at the end. Win the Big East tournament. Do it. It will be fun for me to watch.

[StillAWarrior]

I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

I'd be curious to see if there is any data on this point. I have a hard time believing that one additional game on Saturday would have any lasting effect by the following Thursday (or Friday).

[The Equalizer]

I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

Winning the BET led to a pretty high jump in seed for Georgetown last year. 

[JakeBarnes]

Winning the BET led to a pretty high jump in seed for Georgetown last year.

Yes, they went from "not even close to making the tournament" to "autobid." I'm talking whether it helps at large seeding.

[Elonsmusk]

Texas won the Big Twelve Tournament, not the regular season title.

Correct.  The 4th place regular season finish at 11-6 in the second toughest leage (it had been the toughest the 5 previous years) and final KenPom ranking of 26 is substantially better than our 83rd ranked finish in KenPom.

This all aside, the optics from the GTown fanbase of hiring Wojo, whom was fired by MU would be a tough sell.  No doubt GTown fans/alum likely see their program as better (not necessarily accurate), and to hire a coach whom Marquette felt wasn't good enough?  Would be shocked if they could sell that hire.

[Uncle Rico]

Correct.  The 4th place regular season finish at 11-6 in the second toughest leage (it had been the toughest the 5 previous years) and final KenPom ranking of 26 is substantially better than our 83rd ranked finish in KenPom.

This all aside, the optics from the GTown fanbase of hiring Wojo, whom was fired by MU would be a tough sell.  No doubt GTown fans/alum likely see their program as better (not necessarily accurate), and to hire a coach whom Marquette felt wasn't good enough?  Would be shocked if they could sell that hire.

I don’t think you have to worry about that

[BrewCity83]

I may be the outlier here, but I always like a "duck out in the semis" for the BET to give the team some rest. Feel like the rest helps more than any seeding jump (which I will defer to Brew here, but on a conjecture basis feel like the jump isn't that high if there is one at all).

The 2011 UCONN team is on Line 1...

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Wonder if Dennis Gates would be a good fit at Georgetown.