After reading that, I’m kind of thinking he won’t be back until the tourney. If he’s back at all.
After reading that, I’m kind of thinking he won’t be back until the tourney. If he’s back at all.
From my friend who is a Physical Therapist:
It’s not good. Depends how severe. Baseball can be out 2 months cuz of how much rotation they need. With tk whipping one handed passes around, he will either be pretty limited or potentially out for a few games. Other thing with obliques is they are easy to reinjure
I once had an oblique injury. I've been declared deceased on a 1:1 ratio of deaths I've suffered while walking to DePaul games in Chicago.
But seriously, mine was minor and related to my lead side on golf swing. Took 2.5 weeks to feel fine-ish. 5ish to feel like I could fire without fear (mental side). Hope he's doing better and misses the mental block part I had.
I assume you didn’t have professional trainers and facilities at your disposal to provide you with an around the clock treatment program.
I’m hoping Kolek can be at virtually full strength in 3 weeks, which seems possible if the strain is mild enough. Anything before that is a bonus.
At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.
At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.
I assume you didn’t have professional trainers and facilities at your disposal to provide you with an around the clock treatment program.
I’m hoping Kolek can be at virtually full strength in 3 weeks, which seems possible if the strain is mild enough. Anything before that is a bonus.
At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.
Yes, he'll either be back Saturday or for next week's games, or for the BET, or for the NCAA tourney, or not at all.
We've got it covered here!
If this is a true statement then there is no way MU would remotely be a three seed so their path is exponentially harder.
4 straight losses and no visible timeline for his return rolling into selection Sunday. They are probably a 5 seed at that point.
Mostly likely, MU would have dropped to 4th place in the Big East with an opening round game in the BET against Villanova which you think would be a bonus if we won without Tyler? If they can't beat Nova then they have no shot in the NCAA.
Providence did beat us by 2 in the second half.
Without TK Chase will probably start. I know its hard to tell because the game was well in hand but Providence did beat us by 2 in the second half. I guess will see how Big East ready Tre and Zaide are. So who will run point without TK?
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game already
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game already
I think we’ll see more point Oso on Saturday.
Per Dung Willie?
I’m alarmed that I can’t tell whether you’re serious or not in this instance.
My sources tell me he has 4-6 weeks to live
As a long time lurker (not to be mistaken with a long time slurper) and new-ish poster, I will say that I’ve generally enjoyed your posts. But, come on. We’ve both read enough boilerplate throughout the years to surmise that this situation isn’t great.
Could Tyler be healthy two months from now? With this injury, sure, maybe. But he needs to be healthy three weeks from now, and that’s the problem. Come tourney time, I think it will be a Dom James situation of, “Have pulse, will play.” Tyler is that kind of competitor. But that doesn’t mean he’ll be effective in the game.
It’s just really, really bad luck. But I hope I’m wrong.
TKo “will be limited, might be out for a while” is what I’m hearing.
Then again he was a dead man walking after the ankle injury and scored 500 against Illinois. But just reporting what I was just told a few min ago.
Ben Steele:
What is the latest update from Shaka Smart on Tyler Kolek?
MU head coach Shaka Smart gave an update on Kolek on Thursday during his radio show with Jen Lada on 94.5 FM.
"He spent a lot of time today with our training staff and our doctors," Smart said. "He's still being evaluated.
"He did injure a muscle in his oblique. I don't really have a timetable on exactly when he'll get back. He didn't do anything today, practice-wise. But Tyler's a guy, I promise you this, as soon as he's available and he's physically capable of coming back, he will be back.
"But at the same time, he tried to come back in the game after he sustained that injury. It was just too painful to play. We want to make sure we get that right for him. And right now they're still figuring out what the right course of action is in terms of the short term."
Per Dung Willie?
I’m alarmed that I can’t tell whether you’re serious or not in this instance.
This might be a dumb question but is this something you can play through if you take pain killers? Or does this literally through off your passing/shooting ability?
This might be a dumb question but is this something you can play through if you take pain killers? Or does this literally through off your passing/shooting ability?Baseball players, no. Because so much of their arm or bat speed is generated through rotation of their hips and torso. Plus, with pitchers, you don't want them to develop a compensatory move that alters their motion.
At some point, Willis Reed will be referenced. Remember, he scored 4 points and had 3 rebounds in his heroic return.
Depends on your will to win
My sources tell me he has 4-6 weeks to liveThat's a bit dramatic.
And literally everything else here is speculation.
Well, except for the fact that he passed out at 31 Flavors. And that he had an oblique transplant. You can book those. Gospel. The rest...rank speculation.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/oblique-muscle-pain
If Pat Morita was still with us this wouldn't even be a concern.
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To add to the pointless speculation, I'd guess TK is out until the Big East tournament. Really hope he doesn't push it too soon, obliques need rest to heal.
I was really hoping to get to see he and Oso play one last time in person in a win over UConn on Senior Day. I won't be able to travel for the Big East and NCAA Tournaments this year so that is my last chance.
I'd rather he be healthy for March though.
I was really hoping to get to see he and Oso play one last time in person in a win over UConn on Senior Day. I won't be able to travel for the Big East and NCAA Tournaments this year so that is my last chance.
I'd rather he be healthy for March though.
*checks calendar*
At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.
At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.
If Kolek misses out on the next two games (CU and UCONN) it is likely that both games will be losses. They may have been losses regardless. All that is left is the last game at Xavier, and I would be nice to win that game to ensure a #2/3 seed in the BET, which avoids UCONN until the championship game. Non-MD advice: sit TKO until March 8th. If there any issues, then sit him until the BET starts on March 14. At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.
I'm surprised MU is +3.5. I would think they would be bigger dogs tomorrow.
I'm surprised MU is +3.5. I would think they would be bigger dogs tomorrow.
I think we’ll see more point Oso on Saturday.
Marquette being a 3.5 point underdog tells me Vegas expects Kolek to be out.
I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.
Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.
I would have thought MU would be a couple point dog with a healthy TK.
I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.
Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game alreadyDisagree, I'm with JB on this one #onemoreyear. Plus he convinces OSO to comeback and develop a midrange, book it.
I would have thought MU would be a couple point dog with a healthy TK.
Has anyone seen on campus if Kolek is in a walking boot
A win without Kolek tomorrow would epitomize the culture Shaka has built in the last few years. A loss and it’s just aboutgetting healthy and moving on to the nextrecalling the Enola Gay and getting Bruce Willis up on that asteroid.
Marquette being a 3.5 point underdog tells me Vegas expects Kolek to be out.
With the exception of Amadou and Lowery, every player has brought the ball up and started the offense this season. I want TKo back and think his presence/absence could be the difference against Creighton and UConn. Because those two teams are really freaking good. And MU might not have won WITH him.I wish I had the confidence of others on this board. I don't like our chances in any of our remaining games, including at Xavier, without Kolek. We regularly are outscored whenever he takes a break. Shaka was playing him max minutes for a reason.
MU without him is good enough to beat a lot of other teams.
Heal quickly, young man.
As others have said, that number is about where I would have expected it if Kolek is playing. I suspect Vegas, like the rest of us, hasn't heard very much.
I think the exact opposite. The fact Creighton is favored by only 3.5 would lead me to believe he's more likely to play than not. Creighton, with a healthy Kolek, is a three to four point favorite at home. Often when a star player's status is in doubt, the line isn't posted until the day of the game. This one is interesting.
I think the exact opposite. The fact Creighton is favored by only 3.5 would lead me to believe he's more likely to play than not. Creighton, with a healthy Kolek, is a three to four point favorite at home. Often when a star player's status is in doubt, the line isn't posted until the day of the game. This one is interesting.
This is not how Vegas works. Vegas is making the spread assuming Tyler will play, but not knowing if he will for certain. If Tyler is announced out before the game, the line will change before the game. How much? We do not know, but you can assume Tyler is worth 1-2 points on the line.
Vegas doesn't know anything about his status.Is Matt Mortenson still on the team?
My guess is the line moves at least two points. Hopefully, we don't have to find out.
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage
My guess is the line moves at least two points. Hopefully, we don't have to find out.
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage
I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.
Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.
Yeah...no chance of that. Pomeroy has us +4 and that assumes full health. We were always going to be an underdog in this game.
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage
Vegas hates us!
The press hates us!!!
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage
Interesting way of telling everyone here you don't understand NCAA seeding.
Interesting take that a currently projected 7 or 8 true seed loses 4 straight games couldn’t possibly drop down 8 or 9 true seed lines. Throw in the fact people vote on those true seeds and emotions/eye test comes into play and it is easy they fall one extra seedline best player is out.
Here is this very topic discussed last year by the chair of the selection committee. Not only will the have the tourney to evaluate but three other games of which we would have lost all 4.
https://youtu.be/R_q9OreCh-I?feature=shared
Our seed isn’t going to plummet losing two Q1A games and another Q1 game.
No matter how the next three go, we’re not going to get dinged that much IMO. Plus we’re significantly ahead of the teams on the 4 line.
But then you get 1 more loss after that which could be a Q1 or could be lower. Making 4 straight losses and plenty to evaluate the resume with Tyler.
Vegas doesn't know anything about his status.
I don't think it really matters. After the top 15 or so, Marquette's resume would likely be better than anyone below them even if they lose all four.
And it'd be weird for the committee to take his injury that much into account if he was expected to be back. If he's announced done for the year? Then it may be a problem.
Barring total collapse, I think a 3-seed is the floor. If we went 2-3 with wins over Xavier and in our first BET game, we probably still are a 3 at worst.
My guess is the line moves at least two points. Hopefully, we don't have to find out.
Truly think you're worrying for nothing. Go click through the resumes of the projected 4 seeds. They aren't close to MU. Even if we lose out in the regular season, I'd expect a three seed.
And I don't expect us to lose out. TK's injury will definitely impact them negatively. He's one of the best players in the country. But every single guy on MU is playing at or close to the highest level of their career.
I don't think it really matters. After the top 15 or so, Marquette's resume would likely be better than anyone below them even if they lose all four.
And it'd be weird for the committee to take his injury that much into account if he was expected to be back. If he's announced done for the year? Then it may be a problem.
Barring total collapse, I think a 3-seed is the floor. If we went 2-3 with wins over Xavier and in our first BET game, we probably still are a 3 at worst.
Vegas knows he has an injury, but you’re right that they don’t know whether he’ll play. They set the line (3.5) thinking he would play. If it becomes clear that he won’t they’ll either adjust the line or take the game off the board altogether.
We have found out. Kolek is expected to miss the game. The line has already moved to Creighton -5.5.
We have found out. Kolek is expected to miss the game. The line has already moved to Creighton -5.5.im guessing you’re right but where did you see this
I always thought the betting set the line. more people jumping on Creighton -3.5 moves it more negative. the whales know if someone broke up with their girlfriend or took a hard chit and hurt themselves that morningYou think Vegas would sit on Kolek info and not move the line?
im guessing you’re right but where did you see this
Looks like Hard Rock is at -5.5, Bet Rivers is -6.
Are you surmising that based on the movement in the line, or have we actually found out?
Also, DraftKings is at 4.5; FanDuel is at 3.5; BetESPN is at 4.5
Does anyone know for sure, if TK made the trip??? Anyone see him at the Airport?? 8-)
Does anyone know for sure, if TK made the trip??? Anyone see him at the Airport?? 8-)
Stayed in MKE for study hall.
They gave him 'Hooked on Phonics' and he thought it said 'Hooked on Phoenix'.
Book your tickets to the Final Four now.
Lose then game without Kolek and the loss is discounted.
The loss would be more damaging, if we lost this game with a healthy Kolek.
Beating Creighton without Kolek would be huge. It will be tough to beat Creighton without Kolek, but I do not think it is impossible.
Stayed in MKE for study hall.#LearntoRead
The spread is moving aggressively in Creighton's favor. Pretty clear that Kolek will not play. Seeing MU +6.5/+105. Gonna hold a little longer and try to eke out +7.5.
It's +7.5 now
Where are you seeing that?
Fox Sports has it at 7 and ESPN ticker has it at 7.5. Was it a Providence contact injury or a non contact injury
Out per Goodman on Twitter
Tyler didn't even travel with the team.
So much for those who predicted MU would win.
Looking forward to Gold going up against Kalkbrenner and then Amadou's turn. Freshmen to get some serious playing time though, heck foul trouble and a walk-on might play. Kam may have 25 shots today.
Worst is that game is on national TV. Oh well.
That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.
That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.
That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.
So much for those who predicted MU would win.Solid Preview of Next Years Squad
Looking forward to Gold going up against Kalkbrenner and then Amadou's turn. Freshmen to get some serious playing time though, heck foul trouble and a walk-on might play. Kam may have 25 shots today.
Worst is that game is on national TV. Oh well.
Solid Preview of Next Years Squad
So much for those who predicted MU would win.
Worst is that game is on national TV. Oh well.
Did Kolek travel to the game?
Tyler didn't even travel with the team.
Assuming he’s getting as much treatment as possible I don’t see why he’d travel or why it’s a big deal he didn’t
Doesn’t seem great.As mentioned by others, I really don't read anything into it other than Shaka decided there was zero chance he plays. Skipping the travel this time of year can only help.
Even Sean travelled to the game, so Kolek must be really hurt.I’m not sure one has anything to do with the other
I’m not sure one has anything to do with the other
Doesn’t seem great.
I was just joking. Agreeing with you that it means nothing.My bad for missing that. Hanging my head in shame
Doesn’t seem great.Day to day.
Who knows? Maybe he is puking, too. Oso's roommate.
Shaka said he’s feeling better but no timeline for return yet
Day to day.
Shaka said he’s feeling better but no timeline for return yetSo he's going to return from the ICU? I think Pope Francis will agree this is a miracle. But where to put the shrine?
So he's going to return from the ICU? I think Pope Francis will agree this is a miracle. But where to put the shrine?
Day to day.
Day to day is what they say when they aren’t going to announce an expected timeline.
I read nothing into it.
We're all day-to-day.
Sometimes we're hour-to-hour.Meh, I’m not sure what, if anything is going to hurt when I get up of this couch in a minute.
Meh, I’m not sure what, if anything is going to hurt when I get up of this couch in a minute.
Jeff Goodman just said on the Field of 68 that he thinks Kolek's injury is probably pretty serious given the fact that he didn't even travel but was able to push through a black and blue ankle in November to win at Illinois. He is pretty close to TK, so not sure if he is just guessing or maybe has some "insider info", but he mentioned that he doesn't think he will play until the Big East Tournament.
Shaka said in the press conference that Kolek is feeling significantly better and thought it just made sense for him to stay home and continue rehab. That’s really all I needed to hear on it. He’ll be back soon.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/KWXy-2G7OGc?feature=shared
Shaka said in the press conference that Kolek is feeling significantly better and thought it just made sense for him to stay home and continue rehab. That’s really all I needed to hear on it. He’ll be back soon.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/KWXy-2G7OGc?feature=shared
I think it might be tough to keep him out of Senior night against UConn. It sure would be nice to send those 2 Seniors out with a win and lock in a 2 seed, but I'd rather be a 3 and completely healthy.
Part of me thinks it could be a good thing that Marquette has become an afterthought to many with the Kolek injury and the blowout loss in Connecticut...assuming Kolek is able to get healthy at some point.
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.
No. It’s not at all like professional sports for college athletes due to privacy laws. I’m far from any expert on it, but different rules apply for college and amateur athletes. Notice all they said about Oso being out yesterday was “Illness”.
TAMU would know more about this than I would but I don't think it has anything to do with privacy laws as those are largely, but not entirely waived as student athletes. Otherwise Shaka couldn't even say anything at a press conference.
There is simply no mandatory disclosure...so why disclose?
No. It’s not at all like professional sports for college athletes due to privacy laws. I’m far from any expert on it, but different rules apply for college and amateur athletes. Notice all they said about Oso being out yesterday was “Illness”.
My understanding is players can give consent to what info is put out there as public information.
I agree. That said, these players are no longer amateurs and sports betting is now paying the bills. I expect this to change with disclosures required. It introduces a cloud.
Then why can Shaka talk about Tyler's oblique injury at a press conference?Players sign blanket release forms at the beginning of each season.
Jeff Goodman just said on the Field of 68 that he thinks Kolek's injury is probably pretty serious given the fact that he didn't even travel but was able to push through a black and blue ankle in November to win at Illinois. He is pretty close to TK, so not sure if he is just guessing or maybe has some "insider info", but he mentioned that he doesn't think he will play until the Big East Tournament.
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.
Well, since they are honoring TK and Oso pregame on Wednesday, it takes away some of the questions for next season. The boys have a great run and hope the crowd arrives early to salute their efforts.
Well, since they are honoring TK and Oso pregame on Wednesday, it takes away some of the questions for next season. The boys have a great run and hope the crowd arrives early to salute their efforts.
I’m starting to put my mind together and I want to estimate the future. When Chase Ross hurt his shoulder some said he dislocated it and he could be out for the year. What a relief to see that he didn’t need surgery, and low and behold he came back a week later. And then we saw him play so well recently.
And then Tyler hurt his oblique so he could be out for the year. No determination, no expectation. Indecision. Fans are devastated. The team could be unsuccessful in achieving their goals.
The teamed played really well against Creighton. If Tyler’s room mate Oso knew he was out for the year he would cry his eyes out. And that didn't happen And now we know that Tyler will sit out a week or two. That’s good news. Just touch and go in my mind. I understand it could cause the team to lose a few games before the 64 and not be a 2nd or 3rd seed. But if Kolek comes back it’s all a blessing. And the year will look as good as could be. I believe.
I'm even trying to remember how to make a layup and my friends remind me what English is and I appreciate it. Somethings I don't even care about anymore. Thank you. Just keep going my friend Barry in Oconomowoc says. Don't quit. Somethings take awhile. OK, that's good advice. Good night.wisdom from lake country, hey. Barry the barkeep at Red Circle Inn?
PER SHAKA: "He (Kolek) lifted weights yesterday. Distinct possibility he is back on 03/14 at MSG."
"Barring a miracle, he won't play this week."
Where did Shaka say this? I do not see any media availability or presser online. Thanks!
I was watching the TMJ live presser. Not sure if they will have a replay or not.
https://www.tmj4.com/breakingnews
Thanks!
PER SHAKA: "He (Kolek) lifted weights yesterday. Distinct possibility he is back on 03/14 at MSG."
"Barring a miracle, he won't play this week."
I was watching the TMJ live presser. Not sure if they will have a replay or not.
https://www.tmj4.com/breakingnews
Great news, thanks for sharing
Here is Lance Allen's tweet - https://twitter.com/lanceallan/status/1765070149324071129
As I said earlier today, I'm feeling good about Kolek being a go for the NCAA tournament. This latest information confirms that belief. Thanks for posting.
Oh he’s gonna play.
How good he is, up for debate.
He’s gonna play tho.
Shaka clearly playing mind-games to cover up for Tyler's academic suspension and oblique amputation.
Hey Point
I think you threw me a couple of wild reports this year and probably as wild as TK suspension would have been. Pretty sure one of them is pretty far fetched and I think you might have taken that bait. Maybe guys are testing you on here and seeing how far they can throw out conspiracies and rumors before you call their bluff.
Hey Point
I think you threw me a couple of wild reports this year and probably as wild as TK suspension would have been. Pretty sure one of them is pretty far fetched and I think you might have taken that bait. Maybe guys are testing you on here and seeing how far they can throw out conspiracies and rumors before you call their bluff.
Viper– Barry hangs out at the Kick Switch Bar in Okauchee. It only holds 50 people and on weekends they have a really good band. There are a lot of cute girls in that place. Everywhere you go there’s a lake. They’re all named after ducks. Barry has a pacemaker and he’s in better shape than me. He drives me to Miss Katie’s and we take the bus to the Fiserv game.my buddy lives on Okauchee…not far down from where Coach Bud had his joint before the Bucks gave him the launch. We’ll check out that bar sometime! Let me know if they book Metallica or Aerosmith 😊
He grew up in Greendale, a great small town. Robin Yount lived there. I told Barry that his sister new him because she worked at a grocery store and Yount went shopping in there. Barry said I was crazy and I said I don’t make up crap. Ask your sister. I remember stuff but not always so good.
Well, Kolek did say "BBQ Chicken" so that could have been a dog-whistle to the Scoop Meat Eaters signaling a conspiracy.....
Point
Do your UW buddies think TK is suspended for grades?
Smoke n mirrors pt 2??What was part 1?
What was part 1?
my buddy lives on Okauchee…not far down from where Coach Bud had his joint before the Bucks gave him the launch. We’ll check out that bar sometime! Let me know if they book Metallica or Aerosmith 😊
I love conspiracies! Got any more?I don’t, but the Dodds board does. A guy with a Heatwade03 username claims to be a neural system specialist and insists that the facial injury Tyler sustained prior to the oblique issue was actually a concussion, the effects of which often manifest in other parts of the body. So, the inference is that Tyler is simply following concussion protocol.
the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt.
I don’t, but the Dodds board does. A guy with a Heatwade03 username claims to be a neural system specialist and insists that the facial injury Tyler sustained prior to the oblique issue was actually a concussion, the effects of which often manifest in other parts of the body. So, the inference is that Tyler is simply following concussion protocol.
Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.
Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.
Second time it's been mentioned, and nobody provided a link. Had to search, because kolek is also on nil.store (https://marquette.nil.store/collections/tyler-kolek-11) in case some of you didn't know, but it's actually on his own:
https://tylerkolek.com/shop
Those are outstanding!!
To each their own... but those look incredibly cheap to me
I don’t, but the Dodds board does. A guy with a Heatwade03 username claims to be a neural system specialist and insists that the facial injury Tyler sustained prior to the oblique issue was actually a concussion, the effects of which often manifest in other parts of the body. So, the inference is that Tyler is simply following concussion protocol.
Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.
GoFast
Let's go with the concussion. Quicker turnaround time.
Point
Maybe it was not a tin-foil hat era? You still think Kolek is suspended for grades? Could not resist!!
Well played, Point.
How far do you think they go in NCAA?
Goose - I have always been in the Final Four camp...Fck FF, no finish line!
Nice little tribute
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1765812949359165657?t=I5mbfb8hCyBCNE6ZI1XA7Q&s=19
Thats what they played as he was being introduced at the stadium. MU streamed the ceremony - not sure if you can still do the replay.Nice to see the students and kids having a fun time. Thats what it is all about .
Edit: here is the ceremony.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1765544141729955904?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1765544141729955904?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
Come on man, don't make me sad.
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.
He’s not playing another game as a Golden Eagle
I’m just surprised they haven’t amputated the oblique yet.Assisted suicide is the only option. Send him to Canada.
Assisted suicide is the only option. Send him to Canada.
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.
He’s not playing another game as a Golden Eagle
Absolutely true. All his future Marquette games will be as a Warrior! ;D
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.
When you say next Thursday do you mean 3/14 or 3/21?
The bold part is what always worries me.
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.
I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.
I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.
I think things are on track. Kolek is progressing every day. Resuming weightlifting earlier this week was the first sign of progress. Resuming basketball activities (even if it's just shooting 5 footers) is another positive sign.
Things are building positively. Kolek has plenty of time to expand the shooting range over the next several days. If he's cleared to practice by Wednesday, great.
I kind of agree here. Even if cleared, if there is a possibility of re-injury from coming back too soon I would sit Tyler until the NCAAt.
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.
I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.
If there's a risk of re-injury, then he shouldn't be cleared for the BET.I agree with this. When he is ready, play him, be it versus UCONN or #14 seed.
If there's a risk of re-injury, then he shouldn't be cleared for the BET.Isn't there always a risk of re-injury?
Isn't there always a risk of re-injury?
Yes. That’s why if he’s feeling great next week, I might play him. See what the reaction and short-term effective treatments may be if things get aggravated, in advance of the NCAA tourney.If he's cleared and he feels good I think you have to test it out, even if for severely limited minutes...see how it feels after some game action
Yes. That’s why if he’s feeling great next week, I might play him. See what the reaction and short-term effective treatments may be if things get aggravated, in advance of the NCAA tourney.
Isn't there always a risk of re-injury?
I think
Cut it out. No place for that here.
Don't overthink this.^^^^^^^^^^^^^
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.
Sorry but I definitely trust our expert Scoop doctors more.
TK doesn’t pay until cleared by the MU dental school. Full stop.
TK doesn’t pay until cleared by the MU dental school. Full stop.They will clear immediately, they're only interested in his $$$$.
I know this is not a popular concept here, but I think Kolek, Shaka, and Kolek's doctor should confer and make the decisions.Yeah, I don't think they take Scoop's opinion into consideration.
As some may know, I recently had an intercostal muscle strain (maybe similar to oblique?? But muscle tears in/around the rib cage area). The pain was intense and severe, and initially I thought I had cracked a rib(s).Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…
For several days, the pain was crazy when doing certain things such as coughing and laughing. I was out of commission and my pickleball paddle was collecting cobwebs.
Around 10 days in I felt like I could go again and I think it was around 2 weeks, it was feeling pretty much all better.
So, I feel there is hope for Tyler.
That said, even if he’s doing great and is healthy and say we magically advance to the second weekend, I’ll continue to have nightmares and awful thoughts about him potentially making a move where it happens again and he’s dunzo. Every day will be a mental struggle for me in that regard.
PS - I approve of administering any type of drug or treatment to help him play
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…Give JB a break he is on his way to official geezer
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…
Yeah, I don't think they take Scoop's opinion into consideration.
No surprise. Seems like Shaka ignores the tons of advice offered here to improve as a coach. Sometimes I wonder why we even bother. Some scoopers ' advice comes across as polite suggestions. Then there's Muggy's-authoritative and sternly demanding in tone. Yet Shaka apparently ignores his posts as well.
Well, it was Scoop that got rid of Wojo.
Guys,
I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.
The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.
All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.
Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
🤣 that oblique and those molars are ready for some NCAA meat 🥩!!!
Guys,
I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.
The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.
All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.
Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
Guys,
I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.
The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.
All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.
Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
RosenMAZOS-Burger warm up, your going in.
Guys,
I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.
The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.
All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.
Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
Fify—scoopier
https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
🤣 that oblique and those molars are ready for some NCAA meat 🥩!!!haha! (btw, meant play, not pay)
Guys,in other words, bionic million dollar man, hey. He’s been rebuilt, better than before!!
I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.
The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.
All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.
Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
Traveling to Cinci. Heard that's a bad sign. Setback? Season over?
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…
Guys,
I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.
The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.
All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.
Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
Fify—scoopierDung
https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
https://x.com/mazosburger/status/664393187167858688?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5QDumb dung
Pictures from MU showing Tyler traveled with team to. Xavier.
Need updates from our Scoop doctors.
Scoop doctors told us it was a good sign he didn’t travel to Creighton and was putting in the final work to get back on the court.
https://twitter.com/MubbManagers/status/1766302594329129259?t=llTdhonW81cI_IflHaQVBA&s=19Hang A Damn Banner!!
Coach Kolek picked up his 1st career win and the Marquette managers finish the season undefeated.
Hang A Damn Banner!!@ Willie's dung basement?
Does anyone have an idea how Tyko is progressing?
I'm guessing we will hear soon. Still think the beast tourney feels too soon. But would love to be proven wrong.
I wonder what if they wait to see if DePaul pulls an upset. Otherwise, if he's ready, I feel they would get that in front of the committee as they start meeting.
I wonder what if they wait to see if DePaul pulls an upset. Otherwise, if he's ready, I feel they would get that in front of the committee as they start meeting.pretty realistic...
If you're Shaka Smart, and you're told TKO is 85% healthy for the Big East Tournament, are you playing him?
I'm waiting until he's 100% for what really matters, the week after. I suppose I might feel differently if last year hadn't happened. But we've got the Big East title and conference title with this group. For me, it's all about the NCAAs this year and nothing else matters.
If the doctors say there is a low chance of re-injuring it and Tyler wants to go, then, yes, I play him at 85%Agreed. You can definitely limit his minutes if needed. Get him sweating again.
I’d venture to guess that 100% isn’t a reality for most guys on the team at this stage in the season.
I’d venture to guess that 100% isn’t a reality for most guys on the team at this stage in the season.
Yeah, but there's a difference between "my knee's a little sore" or "my back's a little tight" ... and "I'm trying to work back from a pretty significant injury to my core."Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will need to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .
Everybody's got bumps and bruises, but only one Marquette player strained an oblique muscle badly enough to have to miss 3 big games already.
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will need to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will need to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .
If the doctors say there is a low chance of re-injuring it and Tyler wants to go, then, yes, I play him at 85%
If the doctors say he can play I would do everything I could to get him some mins this week. If for no other reason than to let him test where he is physically before the higher stakes next week.
With this kind of injury, can doctors actually guarantee that there's no chance of aggravating it?
If "no chance of making it worse" is the litmus test, the next time we see Kolek back on the court might be this summer at the NBA Combine.
Anything else?
Midterm grades post at noon tomorrow
With this kind of injury, can doctors actually guarantee that there's no chance of aggravating it?No but there are some injuries that can be played through and they are just painful or require things like ankle stabilizers or rib cage protectors etc
If "no chance of making it worse" is the litmus test, the next time we see Kolek back on the court might be this summer at the NBA Combine.
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will need to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .
Scoop takes are always so hot.Potentially Yes. Depends on what he is allowed to do the last couple of weeks.
You think a 22ish year old division 1 basketball players conditioning has deteriorated in a couple of weeks?
Potentially Yes. Depends on what he is allowed to do the last couple of weeks.
Scoop takes are always so hot.Give him a break he's been dead for over 3.5 yrs
You think a 22ish year old division 1 basketball players conditioning has deteriorated in a couple of weeks?
This thread has been entertaining, bringing out some decent (and indecent) scoop sarcastic humor....but...To quote Saruman "Scoop knows all!"Does anyone know anything!??
I saw him shoot before the game. They say he has an Oblique strain. WebMD type sites say treatment is rest, physical therapy, and ibprofen. and "If you have a mild strain, you should be fully functional after a few weeks. If you have a serious strain, it could take more than six weeks to heal completely." And we also know that he's got good sports doctors and he's a tough kid in great health otherwise.
Anything else?
Let's say Kolek doesn't play in the BET but he's cleared to practice starting Monday and to play in our NCAAT opener on Friday 3/22.
He'd have three full days of practice, an NCAAT opener against a 15 seed, and another full day of practice before facing a more challenging opponent on 3/24.
His conditioning by then would be just fine.
The only concern is getting the oblique healed. If that's deemed OK, and if there are no setbacks, TK will be great and Marquette will be ready to roll.
Let's say Kolek doesn't play in the BET but he's cleared to practice starting Monday and to play in our NCAAT opener on Friday 3/22.
He'd have three full days of practice, an NCAAT opener against a 15 seed, and another full day of practice before facing a more challenging opponent on 3/24.
His conditioning by then would be just fine.
The only concern is getting the oblique healed. If that's deemed OK, and if there are no setbacks, TK will be great and Marquette will be ready to roll.
To quote Saruman "Scoop knows all!"
In order to make the two line, we need to make the BET finals or Creighton would need to lose in the quarters. I think if we lose to Creighton in the semis they get the two and we get the three. They got why more credit beating us without our two best players than they deserved.
I agree with this analysis. I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared." End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.I'd like to get Adam Silver's opinion on this take.
We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important. Why potentially risk it (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?
In order to make the two line, we need to make the BET finals or Creighton would need to lose in the quarters. I think if we lose to Creighton in the semis they get the two and we get the three.
I agree with this analysis. I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared." End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.
We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important. Why potentially risk it (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?
Both can get a 2. As both currently do in most brackets.
Need ISU and Baylor not go nuts. Kansas starting a corpse of a lineup this week won’t help that tho
CU is the top 3 rn per bracketmatrix but agree that there are scenarios where they both get 2's, and there are scenarios where neither get a 2.
Glad I haven't seen any of the foolishness about us dropping to a 4 recently.
I'd be really surprised if we both got 2s unless everyone else in the running bows out early and no dark horse wins their conference tourney. Seems very much that the semi, if we both get there, will ve for a 2 seed. Mainly, I just don't see the BE holding enough cache to get a 1 and two 2s.
Expect Tyler to play this week.
I agree with this analysis. I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared." End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.Shaka has said….when TK gets cleared he’s playing. No one is holding him out if cleared to play.
We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important. Why potentially risk it (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?
Expect Tyler to play this week.
I mentioned after Creighton won at Nova last week that I thought MU and Creighton could both end up on the 2 line as 7/8 on the S Curve.
There are two parts at play to keep an eye on here
1- Getting a 2 seed.
2- Getting Indy.
Common sense says:
Creighton -> Memphis
Marquette -> Indy
Kansas -> get no preferred location
Expect Tyler to play this week.
I'm not sure Indianaopolis would be the home court advantage some think it would be. That seems like a recipe for a Michigan St or Kentucky to have a de facto home game where they likely cheer against Marquette
You think they would care enough if they didn’t have Marquette as a possible direct opponent?
I’d say no. Kentucky won’t matter they are a 3/4 so won’t be facing Marquette (Thank God)
Hopefully the committee doesn’t do the MSU thing again, that would be brutal and would piss me off.
I think there is a high probability Marquette has a HEAVY showing at the game and outside of MSU would have a nice home court advantage for games 1&2 in Indy, so we disagree on this one.
You think they would care enough if they didn’t have Marquette as a possible direct opponent?
I’d say no. Kentucky won’t matter they are a 3/4 so won’t be facing Marquette (Thank God)
Hopefully the committee doesn’t do the MSU thing again, that would be brutal and would piss me off.
I think there is a high probability Marquette has a HEAVY showing at the game and outside of MSU would have a nice home court advantage for games 1&2 in Indy, so we disagree on this one.
Big state schools will always take up a majority of arenas. And fans will always cheer for an upset in a tight game if they have no other rooting interest.
Indy will likely have less of an advantage for MU than Omaha would.
My intercostal muscle strain is hurting bad again. But I’m hitting the courts tonight. It’s go time, for Tyler and me. #WarriorsTrulys for pain killers after?
Expect Tyler to play this week.
Marquette will play in the Big East Tournament. Obviously. They will face two outstanding teams. If they play in the championship I believe Tyler will play some minutes and that will be determined by the score and the situation. The team is playing well. He wants to play but Smart will decide if it will be beneficial and advantageous to push him or rest him another week.
In the 64 tournament Marquette isn’t playing in Milwaukee. It doesn’t matter where they play. I don’t believe any of these top ten schools will be playing in home town courts so what does it matter? Marquette is ready and will play well anywhere they step on the court. They’re ready to go. It won’t matter where or when. Are they playing in the Midwest, or the south or the west? Don’t brother my brain. The team is ready to win no matter where they go. Rest your mind.
Congratulations to Tyler for being named a Sporting News second team all American.
I had a vasectomy on Thursday and I can barely walk. I’m sure this is worse than an oblique.
Marquette will play in the Big East Tournament. Obviously. They will face two outstanding teams. If they play in the championship I believe Tyler will play some minutes and that will be determined by the score and the situation. The team is playing well. He wants to play but Smart will decide if it will be beneficial and advantageous to push him or rest him another week.
In the 64 tournament Marquette isn’t playing in Milwaukee. It doesn’t matter where they play. I don’t believe any of these top ten schools will be playing in home town courts so what does it matter? Marquette is ready and will play well anywhere they step on the court. They’re ready to go. It won’t matter where or when. Are they playing in the Midwest, or the south or the west? Don’t brother my brain. The team is ready to win no matter where they go. Rest your mind.
I had a vasectomy on Thursday and I can barely walk. I’m sure this is worse than an oblique.
Give us an update in 30 days. 😉If he needs 30 days, he probably GOWNE
TK not playing Thursday according to Goodman.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1767921193074545027?s=20
He’s never playing for the Golden Eagles again
He’s never playing for the Golden Eagles again
TK not playing Thursday according to Goodman.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1767921193074545027?s=20
So, if true, we are down to at most 2 additional potential games/dates for Tyler to play before NCAA - Friday and Saturday. Just not sure I feel its worth it to essentially accelerate his return by a full week if he still isn't cleared for Thursday?
My concern is on the defensive end - I just see teams wanting to run him through a lot of ball screens. The pounding I see Stevie Mitchell take getting around/through ball screens seems to entail a lot of direct shots to the ribs/oblique area.
That being said I have zero expertise on these matters, just opining more from a seemingly common sense perspective.
Might as well sit have Kolek sit out the whole BET. Get right for the NCAAs.
Not expecting the committee to do us any favors seeding wise. Either get to the BET final without Kolek to earn a 2 seed or expect a 3 seed.
If we bow out against Nova with no word on Kolek would they drop us to a 4? Is it even a possibility? I would not want to see that.
So, if true, we are down to at most 2 additional potential games/dates for Tyler to play before NCAA - Friday and Saturday. Just not sure I feel its worth it to essentially accelerate his return by a full week if he still isn't cleared for Thursday?
My concern is on the defensive end - I just see teams wanting to run him through a lot of ball screens. The pounding I see Stevie Mitchell take getting around/through ball screens seems to entail a lot of direct shots to the ribs/oblique area, is almost alarming at times.
That being said I have zero expertise on these matters, just opining more from a seemingly common sense perspective.
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.
Hello, Omaha!
Hello, Omaha!
Yessir. To me, it's not worth subjecting Kolek to the violence of the Big East Tournament just to be 7th or 8th on the S-curve vs 10th or 11th.
Even if he was close to 100%, I'd be concerned about him playing in the BET. But it's pretty clear that he isn't, so there's absolutely no reason to risk it.
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.
Rico, you’ve said this definitively a couple times. Can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not. Inside information?
Or Pittsburgh, if Baylor and Iowa State are both ahead of us.
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.
No inside information. All hunch
Kolek coming back and having a bad game in a losing effort would do more harm than good for our seed. It’s best just not to show the committee where he’s at and announce he’s cleared (assuming he is or will be by next week) once we are done competing in the BET. We’ve already proven what we are with him.
The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.
The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.
Ya, saying it makes little difference wasn't well thought out by Fluffy. It absolutely can make a difference.
The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.
BILL
@Whitesoxbill
Breaking: Tyler kolek isn’t expected to play in the BET semi-finals either if they advance.
Who is this guy?
White Sox Bill- Uncle Rico's burner account.
Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.
Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.
Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.
Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.
That's honestly a non sequitur Fluffy. We're talking about basic facts here and why there actually is a difference between a #2 or #3 seed.
This is an angle I hadn't thought about but you may have a point. My general take is him not playing at all in the BET is a bit of a concern. If he could go 20 mins or so I think he puts himself in a better position to succeed in the NCAA tournament.
Now, maybe our 1st game will allow him to ease into playing full throttle a week from Sat/Sun but that's a major risk. We desperately need the young man CR, and the idea of him not playing a game in like a month worries me a bit.
Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.
Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.
the Marquette Worrier malady affects include intensified pants-pissing the week before the tourney...
#uckfayed, aina?
Who is this guy?
White Sox Bill- Uncle Rico's burner account.
Who is this guy?
Oddly feel more confident of their chances now
Oddly feel more confident of their chances now
The biggest issue for me is the rust Kolek will need to shake off. I was really hoping for this to happen in a relatively meaningless BE tourney game. I could easily see the Kolek we saw vs Mich St last year (with the thumb injury) in his first game back and if that is the case I would not at all be surprised if MU has a quick stay in the NCAA Tourney. I know this is doom and gloom but in my mind it is terrible news that he looks like he is not playing at all in the BE Tourney. My expectations for this team just dropped significantly.
That's honestly a non sequitur Fluffy. We're talking about basic facts here and why there actually is a difference between a #2 or #3 seed.
Kolek ruled out for game 1 of BET.
Theres a difference but its negligible. Its not like the difference between a 1/2 seed or 3/4 seed. 14 seeds arent that much better than 15 seeds. 6 seeds aren't that much better than 7 seeds. And in the sweet 16, youre in the 2/3 game whether youre a 2 or a 3 seed. The important part is avoiding the 1 seed until the elite 8.
Plus, this may be an odd year where the seven seeds may actually be better than the 6 seeds. I'm seeing a lot of brackets where teams like Nevada, Utah St, Washington St, and South Carolina are on the 6 seed line. Id love to draw any of those in the second round
Theres a difference but its negligible. Its not like the difference between a 1/2 seed or 3/4 seed. 14 seeds arent that much better than 15 seeds. 6 seeds aren't that much better than 7 seeds. And in the sweet 16, youre in the 2/3 game whether youre a 2 or a 3 seed. The important part is avoiding the 1 seed until the elite 8.
Plus, this may be an odd year where the seven seeds may actually be better than the 6 seeds. I'm seeing a lot of brackets where teams like Nevada, Utah St, Washington St, and South Carolina are on the 6 seed line. Id love to draw any of those in the second round
If Kolek is still injured and its not a precautionary reason to not be playing tomorrow than I would be shocked if he played the following week in the NCAA tournament. 1 week isn't going to improve you that significant.
Also if he doesn't play against Nova and Marquette wins I doubt he plays the next day being 1 day of extra rest.
Can’t imagine Tyler would be ok not trying for at least 14 seconds (no porcini) in they tourney, and the staff would say “fine, you’ve earned that”The tourney*
May be ugly, but I envision him on the court at some point this month
Kolek ruled out for game 1 of BET.
3 of us post that at exact same time ha
Oh I'm 100% convinced he will play for Marquette again this year. That picture just means his rehab is continuing.
Rico, you’ve said this definitively a couple times. Can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not. Inside information?
Just waiting mid-term grades to clear
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.If he’s not “ready to roll” by round 1 he isn’t going to be in a potential game 2 days later
He's a scoop contributor, goes by the handle of Uncle Rico
If he’s not “ready to roll” by round 1 he isn’t going to be in a potential game 2 days later
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.
TK in his practice uni at the team practice launching 3s today.
‘It is not easy for him not to play,’ Shaka said[/i]
There's already rumors that Kate Middleton photoshopped it.Yes, the ball is on a string and that is as high as Tyko can jump
My guess is that holding Tyler out tomorrow is less about "he can't play" and more about "we don't want him coming back from an injury by playing 3 games in 3 days and it would look terrible if we played him tomorrow and then didn't play him the following day".
If I had to guess, he will play in the BET Championship if we make it there.
This is a simple risk-reward analysis. If he plays, and MU wins the BET, then a #2 seed. If he sits, and they get bumped, MU gets a #3 seed. The risk associated with TKO playing (i.e., reinjury) is so much greater than the reward of him playing, that it would be foolish for him to play.
Conversely, if they were a bubble team and it was all of the line, it would be different. Give him a full three weeks rest and make a run at the FF.
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.
The biggest issue for me is the rust Kolek will need to shake off. I was really hoping for this to happen in a relatively meaningless BE tourney game. I could easily see the Kolek we saw vs Mich St last year (with the thumb injury) in his first game back and if that is the case I would not at all be surprised if MU has a quick stay in the NCAA Tourney. I know this is doom and gloom but in my mind it is terrible news that he looks like he is not playing at all in the BE Tourney. My expectations for this team just dropped significantly.
Tyler sitting until the BET finals is gross.
Either play on Friday or don't play at all.
I'm Team Don't Play At All.
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.
Pure dung, aina?
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.
as long as TK, Oso and Kam are healthy.
Pure dung, aina?
Listening to 102.9 right now—-dont ask me why…….
Sports guy says……Good news Marquette fans! TK wont play tonight v. Nova…..but he will play the next two games if MU advances.
Haven’t heard that and not buying it.
Bob and Brian? Probably not our town's most credible sports news source. ;DAgreed…wondering where he got that.
My guess is that holding Tyler out tomorrow is less about "he can't play" and more about "we don't want him coming back from an injury by playing 3 games in 3 days and it would look terrible if we played him tomorrow and then didn't play him the following day".
If I had to guess, he will play in the BET Championship if we make it there.
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all.
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all. The upside value is really small.
How are they calling them?
How are they calling them?
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all. The upside value is really small.
How are they calling them?
How are they calling them?
Agreed. With Duke and Creighton losing, I think we are locked into a 2 seed.
The only thing would be shaking some rust off, but it's not like he's sitting on a recliner all day. I bet he's pretty active in practice.
Sit him tomorrow? And if UNC, UT and AZ all go down play him in Final against UCONN for a shor at a 1?I don’t think it’s even possible to get a one seed unless teams turn Down their bids
Such a bad geezer can't quote correctly
you and reeeko joined at the ass??Hi Q baby, kiss
I don’t think it’s even possible to get a one seed unless teams turn Down their bids
Like this
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
There is absolutely no one seed even with a tourney win. It’s not happening.
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees
Such a bad geezer can't quote correctly
Hi Q baby, kiss
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees
Is Kolek doing pregame warm ups, layups, shooting 3s?Yes. He is shooting 3's and doing most non-contact work.
I’d think the issue is less about contact then arms above the head, rebounding shooting etc.
Is Kolek doing pregame warm ups, layups, shooting 3s?
I’d think the issue is less about contact then arms above the head, rebounding shooting etc.
It's funny bc it always seemed like Old Heads in the Big East disregarded the conf title and only observed the BET.
BUT if win the BET I guarantee you UConn will suddenly become a "regular season matters" community.
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagreesI agree. Hurley and UCONN seem fired up to win this thing.
I am one who thinks having Kolek at 100% effectiveness (or as close as possible to it) for the NCAA tournament is more important than defending our BET title. And I happen to believe Shaka does, too, though he would never publicly admit it.
That said, I got into last night's game, celebrated when Kam's shot went in, and was as intently watching the OT just as I would have if Kolek were healthy and playing in it.
One can want to win every game - and even the BET title - without wanting to compromise the ability of the team to win a national title. Which both Oso and Shaka called our ultimate goal.
The only reason you'd play Kolek this week is to prove to the committee that he's healthy enough to not dock Marquette a seed line or two. Now that they have two Quad 1 wins without him, that's not a concern.
The 1 seed seems out of reach as well.
I have a hard time seeing Marquette slip to a 3 right now. They have a better resume than Creighton. I can't see both Iowa State and Baylor jumping over them. Duke lost. Even if it wins the SEC, Kentucky's resume won't be better.
Beat Providence tonight and you can etch that 2 seed in stone, but it's still a #donedeal in my books.
Play Kolek 10-15 minutes against the 15 seed on Friday, then let him rest up to go 35 on Sunday.
It seems overly clear to me, in every press conference and interview, that Shaka and the team are saying TKO will be back for the NCAA tourney. I have no doubt they are saying this to ensure his injury doesn't impact seeding. The words they are using are so definitive that I believe it to be true, but if this were the middle of the season they'd be talking differently about the injury. There's a small part of me that worries they aren't as confident in his return as they seem but are doing what they can in regards to selection Sunday.
Don't mess around in the first round. You play him.
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees
I think Tyko will play in the NCAA tournament, but I do have some concern about rust after about a month of no action. I'm hoping that he can shake off the rust against an inferior #15 or #14 seed, but truthfully I thought he would play a bit in the BET. Truncated mins of course.
Don't mess around in the first round. You play him.
F#ckem we can win the title without TK.
I keep saying it and its wild that I have to
Sitting TK or "10-15 minutes" of TK in 1st round is a flat out mental suggestion if hes cleared to play. LIke its flat out stupid. That game still matters and its still a threat. You dont just save your bullets for what isnt guaranteed.
Now as I also keep saying, if we end up cookin that 14/15 seed and are up 25 early 2nd half. Of course, send him to the pine. But id also be sending Kam, Oso and Stevie to the pine a lot that half as well.
I agree with your sentiment but next year's team, assuming Kam stays and TK and Oso move on, scored 67 of our 71 points last night. Oso was pretty much a non-entity. F#ckem we can win the title without TK.I'll smoke what you are smoking!
We are not getting a 1.(https://images2.imgbox.com/fb/fb/huXtyxfz_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/huXtyxfz)
Did you watch the game? If this is how it's going to be called the rest of the weekend, sit everyone. Play the walk on. Big eat tournament means nothing.
Zero concerns about rust next week.
Yep yep yep. If he’s deemed healthy, you play him as much as necessary. Period.
We most certainly can’t, at least not this season. I’ll worry about next season months from now.
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.
Clearly out for the season.
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.
Nice memorial post, RIP Tyler
Talk about the COLE. I though you were We Are Marquette. Just to clarify it was in reference to the Big East Title not the National Title. I even think the Johnnies have a good chance of upsetting UCONN, they're not invincible.
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.
Hi, Will
Pure dung, aina?
https://twitter.com/Whitesoxbill/status/1768683346127675695
White Sox Bill changing his tune a bit
https://twitter.com/Whitesoxbill/status/1768683346127675695
White Sox Bill changing his tune a bit
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees
10 years from now, do you think we will be talking about winning back to back BET's or a championship run?
I know which one I would rather have.
Why are you treating it like an either/or?
I feel like if Kolek took one shot like Stevie got last night on the baseline his season would be over. I say wait until the first round of the NCAA. I do not care about the BET.
Why are you treating it like an either/or?
Because were on the conversation of sitting kolek for the BET due to an injury?
You mean the one that wasn't called a foul with Big East Ref staring right at the play :(Exactly, if these refs are letting that slide let’s just let Kolek sit until the real fun begins.
You're suggesting a binary choice between trying to win the conference championship or trying to go on a national championship run.
What if there were other options... like trying to do both?
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.
He will play in the first round. Too great a risk.
Still no official word on Kolek’s status. Really might be a game time decision?
The latest is “game time decision.” My hunch says he plays. I’m no soothsayer - I just have a feeling.
Where is Degenerate? That -4.5 line might be telling us something. Neutral game with Kolek we would be favored by 9ish no?
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.
the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks.
So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first game but some limited time in the second depending on matchup. if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.
So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.
NopeYep
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.
the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks.
So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup. if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.
So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.
Yep
Yep
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.
the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks.
So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup. if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.
So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.
Didn’t we just crush PC without Kolek for most of the game?
Also PC playing third game in three days. Tired legs.
We built the massive lead with him and then essentially maintained it the last 15 minutes after he went out. Carter piled on some garbage time points for them so not likely we can take much away from that 2nd half without TKO.
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.
the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks.
So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup. if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.
So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.
Didn’t we just crush PC without Kolek for most of the game?
Also PC playing third game in three days. Tired legs.
Kolek out tonight.
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.Doubt it guess we’ll know next week
He’s sitting in the stands watching UConn vs. St. John’s.
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on?
do they have to officially declare if he's going to play or not? i'm sure the bookies et.al. would want to know. what if for some weird reason, we were down at half time and shaka decided to suit him up and throw him out there. is that allowed or does he need to be declared in/out like in pro sports, injury reportsWhy not just declare him in then if that’s the case. Al amadou would have to be declared in if that’s how it works too. Doesn’t mean Shaka has to play him a second
Why not just declare him in then if that’s the case. Al amadou would have to be declared in if that’s how it works too. Doesn’t mean Shaka has to play him a second
There’s zero reason for Kolek to play a second tonight or tomorrow. Absolutely nothing to gain, all it does is risk a re-injury.
You don't leave it up to the player. If the player's any kind of competitor - and TK is a big-time competitor - he always wants to play. You listen to the medical staff and you make a common-sense decision.There are two ways the athletic medical staff work some schools they report to the coach at others they report to AD. Correct me if I am wrong, I think MU is a school where the reporting relationship is to the AD.
Eh it’s a tough call to play/sit. Makes sense to sit him but that’s quite an experience to miss out on if he’s healthy.
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.
What's our plan of attack tomorrow?
There are two ways the athletic medical staff work some schools they report to the coach at others they report to AD. Correct me if I am wrong, I think MU is a school where the reporting relationship is to the AD.
So Tyler needs to be cleared to play first before the coaches can make any decision.
Do we know if Tyler has been cleared to play yet?
There are two ways the athletic medical staff work some schools they report to the coach at others they report to AD. Correct me if I am wrong, I think MU is a school where the reporting relationship is to the AD.
So Tyler needs to be cleared to play first before the coaches can make any decision.
Do we know if Tyler has been cleared to play yet?
See my update on UConn when Marquette played them and lost huge on the road.
Bottle up the shooters, Spencer and Karaban. Let Newton beat you and hope he reverts to his previous self of turning it over 6x.
Let castle and the others shoot jumpers.
We got this Muggs
Easy peasy.
Appreciate your optimism but it’s like pick your poison against them. And more than likely we’ll still be without our best player and all American
They’ll fight hard, play poised and tough, and have nothing to lose tomorrow. Hopefully will be enough to give themselves a chance at the end.
See my update on UConn when Marquette played them and lost huge on the road.
Bottle up the shooters, Spencer and Karaban. Let Newton beat you and hope he reverts to his previous self of turning it over 6x.
Let castle and the others shoot jumpers.
We got this Muggs
We got this. Defense travels
Anything is possible.
Experienced it last year. Nothing to gain and a lot to lose at this point.
From here to the end is fast, rapid speed.
3-8 games total.
I won’t even entertain 2 games.
Anyway, let it all hang out on this special season
is the 8th game the world championship?
Just the uwm scrimmage before the FF
Zero reason for Tyler to play - nothing to be gained.
Ramp it up in practice next well and let’s roll.
BET championships are meaningful imo
Ramp it up a bit tomorrow. If there are issues, start to learn treatment
Regardless of when he comes back, every second will be worrisome for the duration of the tourney
BET championships are meaningful imo
Ramp it up a bit tomorrow. If there are issues, start to learn treatment
Regardless of when he comes back, every second will be worrisome for the duration of the tourney
10 years from now, do you think we will be talking about winning back to back BET's or a championship run?
I know which one I would rather have.
There’s zero reason for Kolek to play a second tonight or tomorrow. Absolutely nothing to gain, all it does is risk a re-injury.
Experienced it last year. Nothing to gain and a lot to lose at this point.
House money tomorrow.
Zero reason for Tyler to play - nothing to be gained.
Ramp it up in practice next well and let’s roll.
Again, Jesus people. A BET Championship is not nothing. I'm also not certain a 1 seed is off the table (it probably is but I'd rather win and test that theory).
If he is good to go, he will play. No idea if he's good to go.
I'm with you here. I think the 1 IS still in play but I actually think we need TK to play to get it. If he plays and we beat UConn with him, the committee might ignore our Uconn loss (and Creighton) last week and say "this team is#1 see material with Kolek, but not without." Meanwhile if he doesn't play we don't get the excuse on the Uconn game.I think we have a better chance of winning if Kolek does not play. UConn shut down Kolek when we played at UConn. Playing a less than healthy and rusty kolek against UConn will not help.
I remember last year all of the prognosticators were saying we were locked into a 3 and we were pleasantly surprised to see a 2 in selection Sunday. Maybe we'll get more of the same tomorrow afternoon.
(None of this matters if UNC beats NC State though)
I think we have a better chance of winning if Kolek does not play. UConn shut down Kolek when we played at UConn. Playing a less than healthy and rusty kolek against UConn will not help.
Agreed TAMU, if he is fully healthy he should play. A Big East title is big and would be remembered, especially back to back. But if there is even a twinge or pull in that area, even without pain, he should rest till the first round of the NCAA tournament. I think that is universally accepted by the fan base.
Again, Jesus people. A BET Championship is not nothing. I'm also not certain a 1 seed is off the table (it probably is but I'd rather win and test that theory).
If he is good to go, he will play. No idea if he's good to go.
What's our plan of attack tomorrow?
Wasn’t cleared yesterday. Coming off an injury that has sidelined him for over 2 weeks, that is rare in basketball. Game being played under 24 hours later. Won the thing last year. Locked into a 2 seed (and I was one of the few who thought a 2 seed was possible all along when most thought 3 seed lock and conference tourney no matta last year).
Yeah. Nothing to gain. Heck even if he went from unable to play yesterday to the strongest oblique ever seen to man in the span of mere hours, still nothing to gain and everything to lose today. It all starts next Thursday or Friday.
That’s it exactly. A BET championship is very much a big deal, but NCAA tournament deep runs, Final Fours, etc trumps everything in college basketball. That’s what puts teams and coaches on the map and easily what you’re most remembered and known for.
It’s all about making sure TK is as healthy and effective and close to 100% as possible starting next week. We all remember how great last year’s championship was, only for a major letdown in the tournament. That feeling stuck for most more than the high of the conference championship I think.
If Tyler wasn't ready to play yesterday, I can't imagine he's ready today.
With 3 games in 3 days, plus traveling back tonight after the game, I imagine tomorrow will be a pretty light day. Get in the gym, get some shots up, but not a full practice.
My hope is Tyler is cleared to practice by Monday. That gives him 4 days of practice to get up to speed. He can shake off the game rust in round 1 against an inferior opponent. By round 2, hopefully he's back in the groove.
Wasn’t cleared yesterday. Coming off an injury that has sidelined him for over 2 weeks, that is rare in basketball. Game being played under 24 hours later. Won the thing last year. Locked into a 2 seed (and I was one of the few who thought a 2 seed was possible all along when most thought 3 seed lock and conference tourney no matta last year).
Yeah. Nothing to gain. Heck even if he went from unable to play yesterday to the strongest oblique ever seen to man in the span of mere hours, still nothing to gain and everything to lose today. It all starts next Thursday or Friday.
TAMU all people are saying is that in their opinion, the potential upside isn’t worth the potential downside.
Outscore them
Reako, Fook 'em ain't playin', aina?
No they are saying "they have nothing to gain".
Everyone agrees that Tyler shouldn't play if theres significant risk of reinjury. That can be said without invalidating a BET championship
Not playing Kolek isn't saying, "We give up." It's keeping things in perspective and focusing on the big picture while giving the rest of the guys one more challenge.
I could see a situation where Tyler was ready Thursday but they didn't want to bring him back and play back to back to games. No idea if that's what's happening.
If people felt they truly had nothing to gain, nobody would care about tonight even if Tyler were healthy. It’s all relative to the risk of reinjury.Thats what some are saying
No they are saying "they have nothing to gain".
Everyone agrees that Tyler shouldn't play if theres significant risk of reinjury. That can be said without invalidating a BET championship
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Dreck, hey?
So?
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Dreck, hey?
We know you’d prefer they lose and chances are, they will. But your track record on these things is pretty terrible, so fingers crossed
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t want TKO’s first game back to be a lose and go home game. IF he’s got a bit of rust, or his timing is a bit off, let’s get him some game action if he’s healthy and cleared to play and get him some game reps, even if on limited minutes.
No-brainer IMO.
Approach goals vs. avoidance goals. If he is healthy I think he will get some run.
If he is healthy, play him. If not then don’t.
I have given this a lot of thought and have finally decided that I am going to leave the decision up to Shaka.I'm on edge because I haven't made a decision on if I'd prefer Kolek play tonight or not. If Shaka calls for my opinion it will be one of those awkward conversations where I hem and haw and he'll probably be annoyed at my indecision.
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Dreck, hey?
A dude your age should know howta quote on Scoop, hey?
The upside of Tyler's injury is the playing time and big game experience for the team. Not just the bench, but also the starters who were put in roles that were outside their norm. This includes having to play physical teams in a half court slog game.
Other teams lose their AA PG and fold. Incredible that we are playing in and defending the BET Championship.
If he is cleared to play, I could see Shaka starting Chase and bringing Tyler in for spot minutes just to get some of the cobwebs off. If we win the big East again, great. If we don’t, not to worry. We need Tyler back for the ncaa in full form.
If he is cleared to play, they will play him as much as possible. They aren't going to treat the Big East championship as a get the cobwebs off type of game.
There is only one simple answer as to whether Kolek plays. If the medical staff clears him. If so, he will play to the maximum the medical staff allows.
Agreed TAMU, if he is fully healthy he should play. A Big East title is big and would be remembered, especially back to back. But if there is even a twinge or pull in that area, even without pain, he should rest till the first round of the NCAA tournament. I think that is universally accepted by the fan base.
If he is cleared to play, I could see Shaka starting Chase and bringing Tyler in for spot minutes just to get some of the cobwebs off. If we win the big East again, great. If we don’t, not to worry. We need Tyler back for the ncaa in full form.
There weren’t any medical staffs when Al McGuire coached
If the medical staff thinks he's ready, let him play.
I'm on edge because I haven't made a decision on if I'd prefer Kolek play tonight or not. If Shaka calls for my opinion it will be one of those awkward conversations where I hem and haw and he'll probably be annoyed at my indecision.
I have given this a lot of thought and have finally decided that I am going to leave the decision up to Shaka.
False
If he wants to go tomorrow, allow it
I guess the assumption is that Tyler is in the recovery zone of he can aggravate his injury at any time. Otherwise, he would be playing. Is it worth doing so now knowing that if he does reinjury his season is done. I don't think that is going to change next week either, but it does bide time in his recovery and there is a finality of a loss, and your season is over and in Tyler's case, collegiate career could be over. to consider.
I want him to play tonight because I want to win all the Big East titles and championships we can. I cringe when anyone says the Big East tournament doesn't matter. Big East titles and tourney championships do matter. A lot. Building a culture of winning matters. It opens up more doors of opportunity. More funds, better recruits, etc. You play to win. We will play to win tonight. I want Big East teams to hate us because we win.
As much as I want Tyler to play tonight, I want him playing at his highest capable level. I don't think he has been cleared to practice in any game like action. Maybe he has but to do so tonight without any running, grinding, bumping, twisting around in a game-like or hard practice session would be foolish. I don't think there is any way he is playing tonight. Hopefully he gets cleared to do more than just shoot around. He needs to ramp up in practices to play in games.
I think he will play again. He will play in the first round but that could last all of one minute or one half or one game or more. That is the nature of his injury and circumstances of a collegiate career possibly ending.
If he is cleared to play, they will play him as much as possible. They aren't going to treat the Big East championship as a get the cobwebs off type of game.
There is only one simple answer as to whether Kolek plays. Does the medical staff clear him? If so, he will play to the maximum the medical staff allows.
True, nothing to gain by him playing in a game that really doesn’t mean a hell of a lot.
I don't think anyone is saying the BET tournament title doesn't matter.
True, nothing to gain by him playing in a game that really doesn’t mean a hell of a lot.
Getting beyond the 1st weekend of the dance is vastly more important than winning the BET. Not even remotely close.
We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts
Galway is correct…I agree since there has been a NCAA run drought for MU the past decade or so. However if that wasn’t the case, I’d say a loss in the sweet sixteen is about on par with a BET Championship.
A S16 this year is WAY better than a
“ banner “ for BE
Galway is correct…
A S16 this year is WAY better than a
“ banner “ for BE
I wonder if UConn fans are saying there is nothing to gain by winning the BET tonight? They won the national championship last year and it still burns them that MU won the BE and BET.
We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts
If we are talking risk/reward not being high enough why not play the walk ons the whole game? Stevie has been laid out 3 times in two games and looked in pain. Oso almost had his arm torn off. Ross was down in pain as Oduro stuck his knee out. Kam is taking a lot of hits to his body in the way to the basket. Kolek hurt his oblique on a relatively routine and mundane play.
At the end of the day, Kolek is either healthy to play or he isn’t. 5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury.
There's almost no way that its as simple as being "cleared" though. Shaka himself said that if Thursday was the NCAA championship, he'd be playing. That means its a risk-reward call with substantial risk of reaggravation. He would have been "medically cleared" earlier this week.
Sure, it’s nice and fine, I obviously hope MU wins.
Kolek re-aggravating his oblique to try hang a BET banner versus being healthy for the real tournament run?
Not even close. Crazy people would rather risk him getting further injured for something nice, but something better awaits.
Sure, it’s nice and fine, I obviously hope MU wins.How does anybody know if he is "healthy" now or not, other than the Drs? If he can play now then play him, at least to get some minutes to get ready for the dance, This concern about aggravating it now will be there during the dance also.
Kolek re-aggravating his oblique to try hang a BET banner versus being healthy for the real tournament run?
Not even close. Crazy people would rather risk him getting further injured for something nice, but something better awaits.
If TKo plays tonight, it means the doctors have determined that theres no significant risk or reinjury.
We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts
How does anybody know if he is "healthy" now or not, other than the Drs? If he can play now then play him, at least to get some minutes to get ready for the dance, This concern about aggravating it now will be there during the dance also.
Then logically, he like - can't play. It will have been less than 24 hours since he was just ruled out of a game with an injury he's been rehabbing for weeks, presumably due to the risk of aggravation. That risk isn't dramatically reduced in less than a day. The only reason to play him would be if its believed that this game is sufficiently more important than the one yesterday that it becomes worth taking that more or less same risk.
Eh. I trust the doctors here.
Then logically, he like - can't play. It will have been less than 24 hours since he was just ruled out of a game with an injury he's been rehabbing for weeks, presumably due to the risk of aggravation. That risk isn't dramatically reduced in less than a day. The only reason to play him would be if its believed that this game is sufficiently more important than the one yesterday that it becomes worth taking that more or less same risk.
I guess the assumption is that Tyler is in the recovery zone of he can aggravate his injury at any time. Otherwise, he would be playing. Is it worth doing so now knowing that if he does reinjury his season is done. I don't think that is going to change next week either, but it does bide time in his recovery and there is a finality of a loss, and your season is over and in Tyler's case, collegiate career could be over. to consider.
I want him to play tonight because I want to win all the Big East titles and championships we can. I cringe when anyone says the Big East tournament doesn't matter. Big East titles and tourney championships do matter. A lot. Building a culture of winning matters. It opens up more doors of opportunity. More funds, better recruits, etc. You play to win. We will play to win tonight. I want Big East teams to hate us because we win.
As much as I want Tyler to play tonight, I want him playing at his highest capable level. I don't think he has been cleared to practice in any game like action. Maybe he has but to do so tonight without any running, grinding, bumping, twisting around in a game-like or hard practice session would be foolish. I don't think there is any way he is playing tonight. Hopefully he gets cleared to do more than just shoot around. He needs to ramp up in practices to play in games.
I think he will play again. He will play in the first round but that could last all of one minute or one half or one game or more. That is the nature of his injury and circumstances of a collegiate career possibly ending.
No one's arguing that. But, and i know this is crazy, but you don't actually have to choose. You can do both
Eh. I trust the doctors here.
No one's arguing that. But, and i know this is crazy, but you don't actually have to choose. You can do both
So what you're telling us is that you don't know the difference between aches and pains and bumps and bruises sustained in the normal course of pretty much every athletic contest in which contact is involved ... and an actual injury that was bad enough to cause a player to miss 5 games.
And, Dr. Boy, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever if "5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury." None.
Although I'm not sure how "substantial" the risk is on a scale of 1-10, your overall point is correct IMHO. Unless we dismiss Shaka's statement as a lie at worst or as gamesmanship at best, the decision on when Kolek plays next is all part of a risk/reward calculus.
From the moment Shaka and his players walked out of the arena following the loss to Michigan State, they were laser-focused on winning the 2023-24 national championship. It doesn't mean they don't want to win the BET. Of course they do. But they have spoken pretty often about this season being about something bigger.
Bottom line: I'll be surprised if TK plays tonight, and I wouldn't blame Shaka and the other decision-makers one iota for that risk/reward call.
Looking forward to winning tonight without him, and winning the next 6 games with him!
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week
If course no insight on a few hours from now. But I'd put money on no kolek ;)
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week
If course no insight on a few hours from now. But I'd put money on no kolek ;)
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week
If course no insight on a few hours from now. But I'd put money on no kolek ;)
I trust the Marquette dentists, hey?
Kolek out
Kolek outAre you just sitting there constantly refreshing twitter to be first or what damn
And you are saying you don’t get that crap can happen at any point to any player. People get hurt and can get hurt on any play so if you are in the hold a healthy player back camp then you should do that with every one of them.
His playing or not has nothing to do with Risk/reward. He hasn’t been medically cleared which means he hasn’t been able to show he can maintain stability or lack of pain statically or throughout his range of motion.
If they have cleared or will clear him to play indicates the injury has healed enough that there is stability and no pain throughout his range of motion. Also likely presents a “clean MRI”. None of that means he won’t reinjury himself and in other sports it is common for players to do that in same year or the next year. If they clear him to play, he can play and 5 days isn’t going to make him any less susceptible to reinjury. The five days may help him get medically cleared but it is statistically irrelevant to reinjury.
Just because that goes over your head doesn’t mean I need to be a Dr.
Kolek out
If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?
The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.
Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.
Now let's go beat UConn without him!
https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Stevie hurting.
If you are going technical he actually said “without restrictions”. So he could have some of those today…
If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?Coach marketing his guy. Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared. That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward. Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy.
The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.
Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.
Now let's go beat UConn without him!
Are you not understanding that we all would love both, but we're unwilling to possibly sacrifice Kolek for the ncaa to win the BET?
Coach marketing his guy. Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared. That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward. Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy.
The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.
Coach marketing his guy. Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared. That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward. Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy.
The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.
With Stevie being unable to move his left arm, he shouldn’t be playing either. Bigger fish to fry this month.
Of course you treat a healthy player who is coming off missing 2+ weeks of time due to injury differently than a healthy guy who hasn’t been injured at all this year. There’s a reason there are minutes restrictions on players returning from injury.
https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCwWhy did he play? What about the risk of aggravating it?
Stevie hurting.
Why did he play? What about the risk of aggravating it?
Shaka, post game: (Stevie) is a warrior. He has a lot of physical issues. He will likely play next game.“likely” yikes
“likely” yikes
That was Shaka's inference.
I'm a little concerned tk isn't cleared yet. "cleared" feels like a low bar vs "effective." Maybe I'm just being a rainy day person given today's result.
Also concerning. Really hope these next few days bring good rest and fast healing.
I take back my original negative post about Ben Gold. He’s been terrific lately and has a high ceiling.
I take back my original negative post about Ben Gold. He’s been terrific lately and has a high ceiling.
In retrospect and after seeing tonight's bracket reveal, Shaka did the absolute correct thing by sittin' Fook 'Em, aina?
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.
Shaka literally said he's expected to play Friday...
drills tepursdsyvi
Shaka was quite clear… Tyler might play on Friday… might.
He's going to do the drills tepursdsyvi in ugg boots and if that goes well he'll play Friday, nyet?
He also said he will go through drills tepursdsyvi think and if that goes well will be in uniform Friday
I'm shocked at how difficult a time some are having parsing Shaka's words. Kolek will play this Friday unless he has a setback ramping back up in practice this week.He better not practice. Might have an aggravation.
Marquette basketball coach Shaka Smart delivers zinger to CBS Sports Network host after Tyler Kolek question
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/17/shaka-smart-delivers-zinger-to-jon-rothstein-on-tyler-kolek-injury/73012991007/
Marquette basketball coach Shaka Smart delivers zinger to CBS Sports Network host after Tyler Kolek question
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/17/shaka-smart-delivers-zinger-to-jon-rothstein-on-tyler-kolek-injury/73012991007/
Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?
Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?
Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?
In a presser yesterday (https://youtu.be/P8THDjjHMDs?si=6DldpwxJq_jKSyox) Shaka mentioned that they got back from NYC late Saturday night and that he saw TyKo at the Al and asked him what he was doing there. TyKo was in to work on his ball handling. Late Saturday night. After returning from NYC.
Man, I want this kid to play Friday in Indianapolis. And Sunday. And in Dallas. And Phoenix.
Well then. That's interesting. I had convinced myself that he had to have his oblique surgically removed.
Well then. That's interesting. I had convinced myself that he had to have his oblique surgically removed.Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?
Working on ballhandling is not practicing.
He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger and 58% lighter than a human oblique.
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?
#nocontext
He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger and 58% lighter than a human oblique.
While this is great news, I noticed that you did not list sources for your weights as shown in percentages.
He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger* and 58% lighter** than a human oblique.
Tyler will play this week. Just one caveat: he’s unable to pass the ball.
Sources:
*Thin air
**My ass
Satisfied?
Working on ballhandling is not practicing.
So he's Markus Howard?
"We're talkin' about ball handling, man. We ain't talking about practice, we talkin' about ball handling."
LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?
"We're talkin' about ball handling, man. We ain't talking about practice, we talkin' about ball handling."
LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?
LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?
So he's Markus Howard?Now that....was clever
Here's a hype video that someone put together for the tournament. Right at the beginning is the video from yesterday's viewing party where Tyler yelled "I'M BACK!"
He's ready to go.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteAddict/status/1769834591504740815?t=GfbbKoLqbM1ApB-Bg17m2g&s=19
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?You need a burger
Here's a hype video that someone put together for the tournament. Right at the beginning is the video from yesterday's viewing party where Tyler yelled "I'M BACK!"I don't know looked like AI
He's ready to go.
https://twitter.com/MarquetteAddict/status/1769834591504740815?t=GfbbKoLqbM1ApB-Bg17m2g&s=19
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.
You need a burgerThank you. Love burgers, and chili. I'll take a bowl plrase.
Nice USA Today piece on TK
https://apple.news/AJeQJlzFeQQOsx1vGrW0mXQ
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
Kolek Update: Getting that NIL $
https://x.com/kolektyler/status/1770531909019345303?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
But he didn’t say how he has practiced. Is TK as good as he has ever been? Teel, kind ofI christen thee....the crying wasp.
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20(https://c.tenor.com/8PJYOgCNVzgAAAAd/tenor.gif)
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
Stevie can only contact TKo with one hand, so it is safer.
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No mention of Stevie or Oso? Doom.
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
I've missed this one (does someone have the marquette uniformed version that was floating around reddit?)
I christen thee....the crying wasp.This is high quality.
Yeah, but what are they doing to prepare him for the never-before-seen pressure of Western Kentucky?Western Kentucky needs to be feared due to their use of the transfer portal. All of those players on their roster from high major schools make them a far better team than the one that lost 4 straight to finish .500 in CUSA. Portal, by definition, is better and cooler.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1770538490037440600?s=46
Why would they be mentioned? They are full practice participants ready to roll on Friday. There was never one shred of doubt surrounding these two young men.Suffering from severe humor deficiency? It may be life threatening and you should seek medical treatment immediately.
This is high quality.Not one that is frequently used in the Caddyshack pantheon. Slightly bastardized.
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20
Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
Not one that is frequently used in the Caddyshack pantheon. Slightly bastardized.That's why it was perfect
Well played.
But also, hoping we get a bit more of an update on Stewie.
willie still thinks something's fishy.Right. He should be held out so he doesn't aggravate it. The Kolek Principle.
Right. He should be held out so he doesn't aggravate it. The Kolek Principle.
The Willie Principle can’t spell or do basic math
LET'S GOOOOO!!! Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack!!!!!!!
Right. He should be held out so he doesn't aggravate it. The Kolek Principle.We all hope you are held out of this site until you are 100% better. The Dung Principle.
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/20/tyler-kolek-had-full-contact-practice-this-week-before-ncaa-tournament/73038277007/
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?
Bomb the crap out of them and execute any survivors.
Why so belligerent Jockey? All I'm saying is we need to go downhill and pound the paint. Execute zip passes and drop dimes all over the freaking place. Drain the three ball and suffocate them defensively. Stop taking everything literally and protecting despots as well.
I think he was right on this one.
Its time to eliminate all forms of life in our path
Well when I use hyperbole some Scoopers go bonkers. Or, they cry about my belief that we should have introduced Putin and others to darkness years ago. Then they have the audacity to use my verbiage. :)
How's Stevie's shoulder?
About time all manatees, black bears and every other wildlife creature is introduced to darkness!! Let’s go!
Like these?
Attack, attack attack
Play with violence
Grab the rock
Clean the glass
Drain the three ball
Dish some dimes
Be a lock down defender
Go medival
Get some kiss the sky jumpers
Pound the paint
Hope they make some coin
Let’s win a natty
Will he have a cup of coffee in the league
Keep them coming Muggs.
If you watch Marquette’s most recent Insta post, Kolek throws a pocket pass to Oso who goes up for a 5’ push shot. When he lands, it looks like he’s reluctant to put weight on his left knee. Admittedly, it’s a quick clip so it’s far from definitive. Hope he’s ok and ready to go.
Where is this? Not seeing it on IG.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1770578388626928029?s=46
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?
Don’t see it. Y’all are jumping at shadows.
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?
Agreed.
And he was walking just fine in the vid
Like these?Sounds like Woj cuddle
Attack, attack attack
Play with violence
Grab the rock
Clean the glass
Drain the three ball
Dish some dimes
Be a lock down defender
Go medival
Get some kiss the sky jumpers
Pound the paint
Hope they make some coin
Let’s win a natty
Will he have a cup of coffee in the league
Keep them coming Muggs.
Sounds like Woj cuddle
And somehow despite Wojo huddles being despised by all, Muggsy posts are applauded by some. Makes you think…
That video… I see two injured guys. Hope Tyler & Oso can tough it out. Sh1t
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?
Marquette was the wussiest fans...
LFG!!!!!Agree let’s get in the passing lanes and challenge every pass!!
Well when I use hyperbole some Scoopers go bonkers. Or, they cry about my belief that we should have introduced Putin and others to darkness years ago. Then they have the audacity to use my verbiage. :)Call Aaron Rodgers. He is an expert on darkness.
Kolek: Grade 2 oblique strain. A 3-4 week injury. “It was definitely a struggle the first week. … I’m just thankful for the trainers and coaching staff. I’m ready to go.”
Kolek is back! Drills at halfcourt shot at open practice.
https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)
Kolek is back! Drills at halfcourt shot at open practice.
https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)
Kolek is back! Drills at halfcourt shot at open practice.
https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
(https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H
Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???
Has to be misspoken words, no?
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H
Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???
Has to be misspoken words, no?
He asked how the pain compared to having his appendix removed.He said I know you had your appendix out the other night…
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H
Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???
Has to be misspoken words, no?
He had his appendix removed in August 2022.
What about his other appendix?
He had his appendix removed in August 2022.
He was actually taking half court shots at end of open practice
Poor use of practice timeHe did practice FTs!
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth
I heard the same
Super ginger with his passes
But heaving half courters
The BET was next to meaningless.. getting thru the 1st weekend is beyond meaningful. .
With my recent muscle injury, I could do some things fine — hammer a string forehand, run, etc. but certain movements — a deep backhand of the Pickleball, etc… would result in excruciating pain. I’m concerned about what we’re gonna see out there from our injured troops, but hoping for the best.
Give Tyler the best meds we’ve got
Other than it securing MU a 2 seed
Did you have an injury and do you play pickleball?
Ive been unable to tell
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worthDoes this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_HBTW, the reactions from Oso and Kam are fantastic
Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???
Has to be misspoken words, no?
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H
Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???
Has to be misspoken words, no?
He was actually taking half court shots at end of open practice
I saw this clip and it's not clear if the the shot that went in came out of Kolek's hands. I believe there was a second shooter.A little early in the tournament for Dallas references
I saw somewhere it was a few years ago.
Also, Kam's response about putting the spin on the ball for layups was really interesting. His grandfather's hoop didn't have a rim, so when he was a kid, he'd throw the ball on the backboard and look at how it spun off different ways.
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worthWas at practice BS with ginger, Gooold Brick dung passes, was doing contact drills, see open practice report.
With my recent muscle injury, I could do some things fine — hammer a string forehand, run, etc. but certain movements — a deep backhand of the Pickleball, etc… would result in excruciating pain. I’m concerned about what we’re gonna see out there from our injured troops, but hoping for the best.I gave TK some excellent sinse after open practice, he smiled!
Give Tyler the best meds we’ve got
https://twitter.com/MM_MBB_TV/status/1770999255303401529
Looks like this was filmed this week. At the 90 second mark, TK throws a dime. He's ready.
BTW, the reactions from Oso and Kam are fantastic
Am I the only one who thought he looked inhibited by the injury? He avoided contact so much as to not scrap after loose balls, and passed up several layups that would have required him to twist his torso toward the basket and instead kicked the ball out. I think he is still hurting and that was a really gutsy performance.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Kolek barely hold up his ice cream cone at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
Not sure there would have been 39 pages if Oso had suffered that exact same injury on the same day, with the same "will he or won't he" be able to play mystery. But I'm guessing it would have been pretty close.
We need both of them to be at or very near their best to get where we want this season to go. I'd have been surprised if there weren't this many pages.
The only thing my son and I noticed was that TK passed up some layups that it seemed he could have made. We were seated pretty high up, so I'm not sure how much torso-twisting would have been involved, and we also talked about him also doing that sometimes in other games long before he was injured.
So I don't know what to make of it, especially given the outstanding game he had.