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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoldenEagles03 on February 29, 2024, 06:13:32 PM

Title: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 29, 2024, 06:13:32 PM
Ben Steele:

What is the latest update from Shaka Smart on Tyler Kolek?
MU head coach Shaka Smart gave an update on Kolek on Thursday during his radio show with Jen Lada on 94.5 FM.

"He spent a lot of time today with our training staff and our doctors," Smart said. "He's still being evaluated.

"He did injure a muscle in his oblique. I don't really have a timetable on exactly when he'll get back. He didn't do anything today, practice-wise. But Tyler's a guy, I promise you this, as soon as he's available and he's physically capable of coming back, he will be back.

"But at the same time, he tried to come back in the game after he sustained that injury. It was just too painful to play. We want to make sure we get that right for him. And right now they're still figuring out what the right course of action is in terms of the short term."

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 29, 2024, 06:26:45 PM
That’s what I said
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Judge Smails on February 29, 2024, 06:32:18 PM
Thanks for the update. Fortunately last night we had the luxury of Tyler not being forced to come back into the game. I think he’ll play against Creighton. Hopefully the injury doesn’t impact his game too much.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Biggie Clausen on February 29, 2024, 06:37:12 PM
After reading that, I’m kind of thinking he won’t be back until the tourney.  If he’s back at all.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 29, 2024, 06:37:51 PM
After reading that, I’m kind of thinking he won’t be back until the tourney.  If he’s back at all.

Which would be better than not at all!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on February 29, 2024, 06:43:08 PM
this is such bs lol. horrific injury luck for this team this year like wow.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on February 29, 2024, 07:07:51 PM
He’ll be fine. Maybe not for Saturday but he’ll be back.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on February 29, 2024, 07:11:36 PM
After reading that, I’m kind of thinking he won’t be back until the tourney.  If he’s back at all.

Yes, he'll either be back Saturday or for next week's games, or for the BET, or for the NCAA tourney, or not at all.

We've got it covered here!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on February 29, 2024, 07:16:52 PM
If he wasn’t cleared today I don’t see how he plays Saturday. My guess is he will be out Saturday and reevaluated by next Wednesday game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mubb3434 on February 29, 2024, 07:32:46 PM
From my friend who is a Physical Therapist:

It’s not good. Depends how severe. Baseball can be out 2 months cuz of how much rotation they need. With tk whipping one handed passes around, he will either be pretty limited or potentially out for a few games. Other thing with obliques is they are easy to reinjure
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on February 29, 2024, 07:42:51 PM
Classic people trying to infer from almost the most obvious and basic update possible

Its likely they dont push it saturday. But Idk how any of that Shaka quote remotely implies doom.

He was basically going to say that exact quote verbatim whether its truly season endingish or potentially read for saturday
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on February 29, 2024, 10:45:50 PM
#OneMoreYear
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on February 29, 2024, 11:01:55 PM
I once had an oblique injury. I've been declared deceased on a 1:1 ratio of deaths I've suffered while walking to DePaul games in Chicago.

But seriously, mine was minor and related to my lead side on golf swing. Took 2.5 weeks to feel fine-ish. 5ish to feel like I could fire without fear (mental side). Hope he's doing better and misses the mental block part I had.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: auburnmarquette on February 29, 2024, 11:06:25 PM
From my friend who is a Physical Therapist:

It’s not good. Depends how severe. Baseball can be out 2 months cuz of how much rotation they need. With tk whipping one handed passes around, he will either be pretty limited or potentially out for a few games. Other thing with obliques is they are easy to reinjure

I have no medical background - but the one harsh likely reality is that if he were a pitcher he would be shut down. He would NOT be able to pitch for months. Now, does it mean he can't play point guard or can no longer whip passes across court or stretch for the patented shot over taller defenders high off the glass? I have no idea, but definitely uneasy.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wisblue on February 29, 2024, 11:17:46 PM
I once had an oblique injury. I've been declared deceased on a 1:1 ratio of deaths I've suffered while walking to DePaul games in Chicago.

But seriously, mine was minor and related to my lead side on golf swing. Took 2.5 weeks to feel fine-ish. 5ish to feel like I could fire without fear (mental side). Hope he's doing better and misses the mental block part I had.

I assume you didn’t have professional trainers and facilities at your disposal to provide you with an around the clock treatment program.

I’m hoping Kolek can be at virtually full strength in 3 weeks, which seems possible if the strain is mild enough. Anything before that is a bonus.

At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on February 29, 2024, 11:31:56 PM
I assume you didn’t have professional trainers and facilities at your disposal to provide you with an around the clock treatment program.

I’m hoping Kolek can be at virtually full strength in 3 weeks, which seems possible if the strain is mild enough. Anything before that is a bonus.

At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.

Any win without Kolek is a bonus?  I can’t disagree more with this statement.  MU  has enough weaponry to win games down the stretch.  It sounds like you’re expecting 0 - 4 to close the year heading into Selection Sunday.  That should not be the expectation for a team ranked fifth in the country.  Marquette can certainly beat Xavier and a quarterfinal BE opponent without Tyler.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 01, 2024, 12:34:34 AM
At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.

If this is a true statement then there is no way MU would remotely be a three seed so their path is exponentially harder. 

4 straight losses and no visible timeline for his return rolling into selection Sunday.  They are probably a 5 seed at that point. 

Mostly likely, MU would have dropped to 4th place in the Big East with an opening round game in the BET against Villanova which you think would be a bonus if we won without Tyler?  If they can't beat Nova then they have no shot in the NCAA.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 01, 2024, 12:57:06 AM
I assume you didn’t have professional trainers and facilities at your disposal to provide you with an around the clock treatment program.

I’m hoping Kolek can be at virtually full strength in 3 weeks, which seems possible if the strain is mild enough. Anything before that is a bonus.

At this point any game MU wins before the NCAA is a bonus too.

I did not. I had Athletico and a combo of muscle relaxants and pain pills. But hopefully the same mid 20s rage.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Biggie Clausen on March 01, 2024, 02:17:26 AM
Yes, he'll either be back Saturday or for next week's games, or for the BET, or for the NCAA tourney, or not at all.

We've got it covered here!

As a long time lurker (not to be mistaken with a long time slurper) and new-ish poster, I will say that I’ve generally enjoyed your posts.  But, come on.  We’ve both read enough boilerplate throughout the years to surmise that this situation isn’t great.

Could Tyler be healthy two months from now?  With this injury, sure, maybe.  But he needs to be healthy three weeks from now, and that’s the problem.  Come tourney time, I think it will be a Dom James situation of, “Have pulse, will play.”  Tyler is that kind of competitor.  But that doesn’t mean he’ll be effective in the game.

It’s just really, really bad luck.  But I hope I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 01, 2024, 02:42:56 AM
It's encouraging that he came back in, but disheartening that he left again almost immediately. Who knows if he aggravated something that previously had been relatively minor in those 12 seconds, but it does seem that Shaka has a philosophy of "let 'em play - you decide" when it comes to injury. I like that Shaka trusts his players, but these guys are all competitors and I wonder if Shaka doesn't need to be a bit more of the "adult in the room" when in comes to go decisions - as in - he really should have had a bit more heart to heart with TKO and said "listen, I know you want to play - but we're up 20 and the guys are handling it - if you're not absolutely sure you're 100% why don't we sit the rest of this one out so you're good to for us Saturday."

Who knows - maybe that's what happened on the bench - or maybe the additional 12 seconds did nothing and TKO immediately realized he needed to shut it down for the night - but it does seem Shaka is developing a track record of letting the guys play injured if they say they want to go.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 01, 2024, 06:21:43 AM
If this is a true statement then there is no way MU would remotely be a three seed so their path is exponentially harder. 

4 straight losses and no visible timeline for his return rolling into selection Sunday.  They are probably a 5 seed at that point. 

Mostly likely, MU would have dropped to 4th place in the Big East with an opening round game in the BET against Villanova which you think would be a bonus if we won without Tyler?  If they can't beat Nova then they have no shot in the NCAA.

Interesting way of telling everyone here you don't understand NCAA seeding.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 01, 2024, 06:39:05 AM
This board is acting like they have no other players outside of Kolek. Yes, Tyler is the floor general but we can win games without him. Also, he is more than likely going to be coaching players from the bench as leaders do, if he cannot go.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 01, 2024, 07:14:27 AM
Without TK Chase will probably start. I know its hard to tell because the game was well in hand but Providence did beat us by 2 in the second half. I guess will see how Big East ready Tre and Zaide are. So who will run point without TK?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 01, 2024, 07:18:22 AM
Providence played MU even the last 30 minutes.     Fortunately, the game was over 10 minutes in.   

Or, with Kolek and Oso playing a season low in minutes and Norman playing a career high, MU was able to play a likely tournament team even.   
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2024, 07:30:48 AM
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game already
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 01, 2024, 07:45:20 AM
Providence did beat us by 2 in the second half.

So often, a team with a huge lead at halftime will trade points with their opponent in the second half. In the second half, Kolek was out for quite a while and Shaka, like any coach with a fat lead, was able to give PT to players who might see far less if the game was still competitive. Clearing the bench typically gives away part of a lead. We could have won the game by 30 with a healthy Kolek in and no bench clearing. I do not take an opponent's outscoring us by 2 seriously in a scenario like the PC game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2024, 07:45:41 AM
Without TK Chase will probably start. I know its hard to tell because the game was well in hand but Providence did beat us by 2 in the second half. I guess will see how Big East ready Tre and Zaide are. So who will run point without TK?

I think we’ll see more point Oso on Saturday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2024, 07:47:37 AM
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game already

Per Dung Willie?

I’m alarmed that I can’t tell whether you’re serious or not in this instance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 01, 2024, 07:48:25 AM
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game already

Not a chance in hell that was his last game for Marquette. Even if he doesn't play till the NCAA tournament they can win game 1 without him. Hell they should win game 2 without him as well. He is the type of player that will take a cortisone shot just to get out there any play. If they lose he has all summer to heal.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUMountin on March 01, 2024, 08:03:13 AM
I think we’ll see more point Oso on Saturday.

They’ll continue to do what they’ve done all year—a combo of players will play point.  Even with TK in, any of Stevie, Kam, Oso, and Chase will frequently bring the ball up and initiate.  Mix in some more Tre, who is hopefully maturing at just the right moment, and we’ll be ok. 

Offense is going to suffer some, but shouldn’t fall off a cliff.  My hope is that they can keep the defensive effort even higher while TK is out.  If so, I think 2 or 3 wins is still more than doable. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2024, 08:06:30 AM
Per Dung Willie?

I’m alarmed that I can’t tell whether you’re serious or not in this instance.

My sources tell me he has 4-6 weeks to live
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 01, 2024, 08:07:42 AM
With the exception of Amadou and Lowery, every player has brought the ball up and started the offense this season.    I want TKo back and think his presence/absence could be the difference against Creighton and UConn. Because those two teams are really freaking good.   And MU might not have won WITH him.   
    MU without him is good enough to beat a lot of other teams.

Heal quickly, young man.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2024, 08:08:54 AM
My sources tell me he has 4-6 weeks to live

So you were being serious.  I guess the obliquectomy didn't work.  Tragic.

If I were Tre I'd enter the portal today after what's happened to TKO and Sean (RIP). 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 01, 2024, 08:18:42 AM
As a long time lurker (not to be mistaken with a long time slurper) and new-ish poster, I will say that I’ve generally enjoyed your posts.  But, come on.  We’ve both read enough boilerplate throughout the years to surmise that this situation isn’t great.

Could Tyler be healthy two months from now?  With this injury, sure, maybe.  But he needs to be healthy three weeks from now, and that’s the problem.  Come tourney time, I think it will be a Dom James situation of, “Have pulse, will play.”  Tyler is that kind of competitor.  But that doesn’t mean he’ll be effective in the game.

It’s just really, really bad luck.  But I hope I’m wrong.

First, thanks for the kind words.

Second, I agree the situation isn't great. Great would be "everybody's 100% healthy, let's effen go!" Kolek is clearly hurting, and he's our leader, and that sucks.

Still, even the one Scooper who says he has sources close to the team said:

TKo “will be limited, might be out for a while” is what I’m hearing.

Then again he was a dead man walking after the ankle injury and scored 500 against Illinois. But just reporting what I was just told a few min ago.

So even that Scooper left room for optimism. And literally everything else here is speculation.

As for if we have to play without Kolek ...

I do think we can win some games. Looking hard for a little sunshine to peek through the dark clouds, having Ross in the lineup rather than TK should improve the defense. Ross has been playing well and shooting very well. Kam has been on fire. Stevie has been great offensively. Having a 5 who can do what Oso does can help mitigate the absence of a PG some. We've gotten some good minutes from Norman and Lowery. We can go with an Oso/Gold combo for longer, which could help against taller teams.

But beating the likes of Creighton (in Omaha) and UConn (anywhere) without our All-American PG is a tall task. As would be winning any NCAAT game in the 2nd round or later. And, simply stated, we cannot win the national title without TK being darn close to fully healthy, and that's all this season has been about for me.

Of course, that's all speculation, too, and it's a big part of what a fan board is about. And like everybody here I am concerned about TK's status. But I'm an optimist by nature, so until we have something more concrete, I'm not gonna freak out.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 01, 2024, 08:26:43 AM
At some point, Willis Reed will be referenced.   Remember, he scored 4 points and had 3 rebounds in his heroic return.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 01, 2024, 08:27:25 AM
Ben Steele:

What is the latest update from Shaka Smart on Tyler Kolek?
MU head coach Shaka Smart gave an update on Kolek on Thursday during his radio show with Jen Lada on 94.5 FM.

"He spent a lot of time today with our training staff and our doctors," Smart said. "He's still being evaluated.

"He did injure a muscle in his oblique. I don't really have a timetable on exactly when he'll get back. He didn't do anything today, practice-wise. But Tyler's a guy, I promise you this, as soon as he's available and he's physically capable of coming back, he will be back.

"But at the same time, he tried to come back in the game after he sustained that injury. It was just too painful to play. We want to make sure we get that right for him. And right now they're still figuring out what the right course of action is in terms of the short term."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/oblique-muscle-pain
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 01, 2024, 08:30:13 AM
Per Dung Willie?

I’m alarmed that I can’t tell whether you’re serious or not in this instance.

Rico is always oblique.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 01, 2024, 08:44:22 AM
This might be a dumb question but is this something you can play through if you take pain killers? Or does this literally through off your passing/shooting ability?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2024, 08:46:53 AM
This might be a dumb question but is this something you can play through if you take pain killers? Or does this literally through off your passing/shooting ability?

Depends on your will to win
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 01, 2024, 08:52:25 AM
This might be a dumb question but is this something you can play through if you take pain killers? Or does this literally through off your passing/shooting ability?
Baseball players, no.   Because so much of their arm or bat speed is generated through rotation of their hips and torso.   Plus, with pitchers, you don't want them to develop a compensatory move that alters their motion.
   With basketball players, there isn't as much history.   Could he do permanent damage?   Probably not.   Could he find a way to perform while managing the pain?  There is not a lot of history supporting that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 01, 2024, 08:57:45 AM
I would think anything as essential for movement as your oblique would have a significant impact on passing and certainly shooting.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: nyg on March 01, 2024, 08:58:28 AM
At some point, Willis Reed will be referenced.   Remember, he scored 4 points and had 3 rebounds in his heroic return.

And Walt Frazier stepped up and came through having one of the best games, if not the best, in Knicks history. Inspired by Willis and the Garden crowd.
36 points, 19 assists, 7 steals and 7 rebounds.

Maybe Gold or Kam can step it up like Clyde did in a smaller manner in a hostile environment as opposed to at home.  Thats if Kolek cannot play of course. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 01, 2024, 08:58:38 AM
Depends on your will to win

Hawk Harrelson, “TWTW”
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 01, 2024, 08:58:45 AM
My sources tell me he has 4-6 weeks to live
That's a bit dramatic.

I think with an Iron Lung and a feeding tube he should be able to live a fairly normal life.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2024, 09:07:16 AM
One plus side is we know Tyler can play through pain.  By all accounts his ankle was pretty messed up for that Illinois game and he kicked ass.  Obviously, different injury this time around though.   
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 01, 2024, 09:15:50 AM
And literally everything else here is speculation.

Well, except for the fact that he passed out at 31 Flavors. And that he had an oblique transplant. You can book those. Gospel. The rest...rank speculation.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 01, 2024, 09:19:23 AM
Well, except for the fact that he passed out at 31 Flavors. And that he had an oblique transplant. You can book those. Gospel. The rest...rank speculation.

And he's been cleared by Dr. Jabroni.  Lets not focus on the negatives.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 01, 2024, 09:22:03 AM
To add to the pointless speculation, I'd guess TK is out until the Big East tournament. Really hope he doesn't push it too soon, obliques need rest to heal.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 01, 2024, 09:26:43 AM
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/oblique-muscle-pain

I question the source...no mention of transplants as a treatment.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2024, 09:27:18 AM
If Pat Morita was still with us this wouldn't even be a concern. 

(https://i.gifer.com/6WyS.gif)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2024, 09:34:37 AM
If Pat Morita was still with us this wouldn't even be a concern. 

(https://i.gifer.com/6WyS.gif)

There it is: Pat is the Scoop source.  Acupuncturist with initials after of DACM.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 01, 2024, 09:35:11 AM
To add to the pointless speculation, I'd guess TK is out until the Big East tournament. Really hope he doesn't push it too soon, obliques need rest to heal.

I was really hoping to get to see he and Oso play one last time in person in a win over UConn on Senior Day. I won't be able to travel for the Big East and NCAA Tournaments this year so that is my last chance.

I'd rather he be healthy for March though.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 01, 2024, 09:41:59 AM
I was really hoping to get to see he and Oso play one last time in person in a win over UConn on Senior Day. I won't be able to travel for the Big East and NCAA Tournaments this year so that is my last chance.

I'd rather he be healthy for March though.

Stating the obvious, I think the most likely return spots are UConn, start of BET, or start of March Madness. There's definitely a good chance he'll gut it out for UConn. I just didn't think Shaka's comments yesterday were particularly promising, so I'm assuming he misses at least Creighton.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 01, 2024, 09:48:01 AM
I was really hoping to get to see he and Oso play one last time in person in a win over UConn on Senior Day. I won't be able to travel for the Big East and NCAA Tournaments this year so that is my last chance.

I'd rather he be healthy for March though.

*checks calendar*
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 01, 2024, 09:50:48 AM
If Kolek misses out on the next two games (CU and UCONN) it is likely that both games will be losses.  They may have been losses regardless.  All that is left is the last game at Xavier, and I would be nice to win that game to ensure a #2/3 seed in the BET, which avoids UCONN until the championship game.  Non-MD advice: sit TKO until March 8th. If there any issues, then sit him until the BET starts on March 14. At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 01, 2024, 09:52:56 AM
*checks calendar*

Hahahahaha you know what I meant...I think...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 01, 2024, 10:01:59 AM
At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.

Correct.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2024, 10:50:42 AM
At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.

My work PTO calendar confirms this.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2024, 10:59:55 AM
If Kolek misses out on the next two games (CU and UCONN) it is likely that both games will be losses.  They may have been losses regardless.  All that is left is the last game at Xavier, and I would be nice to win that game to ensure a #2/3 seed in the BET, which avoids UCONN until the championship game.  Non-MD advice: sit TKO until March 8th. If there any issues, then sit him until the BET starts on March 14. At this point, the only games that really matter are played on March 21-22.

#COLE
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 01, 2024, 12:30:30 PM
Marquette being a 3.5 point underdog tells me Vegas expects Kolek to be out.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 01, 2024, 12:32:27 PM
I'm surprised MU is +3.5. I would think they would be bigger dogs tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 01, 2024, 12:36:19 PM
I'm surprised MU is +3.5. I would think they would be bigger dogs tomorrow.

Torvik has Creighton at -2.4 with 59% chance of winning.

I would assume that number will change by 1.5-2.0 points if Kolek is not playing and be +4 or +5 MU
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 01, 2024, 12:37:18 PM
I'm surprised MU is +3.5. I would think they would be bigger dogs tomorrow.

I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.

Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WarriorFan on March 01, 2024, 12:37:56 PM
I think we’ll see more point Oso on Saturday.

Yep, Point Oso to the rescue.  If Magic can play center, Oso can be the PG.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 01, 2024, 12:40:22 PM
Marquette being a 3.5 point underdog tells me Vegas expects Kolek to be out.

Interesting as I would have thought the opposite.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2024, 12:40:39 PM
I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.

Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.

KenPom has Creighton by 4.  Vegas line is spot-on
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 01, 2024, 12:41:24 PM
I would have thought MU would be a couple point dog with a healthy TK.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 01, 2024, 12:42:53 PM
I would have thought MU would be a couple point dog with a healthy TK.

Yup
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuMark on March 01, 2024, 12:43:32 PM
I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.

Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.

The line is usually close to Pomeroy…….he has it as Creighton by 4……and that would not take Kolek absence into account.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 01, 2024, 12:45:06 PM
Pretty likely we’ve seen Kolek play his last Marquette game already
Disagree, I'm with JB on this one #onemoreyear. Plus he convinces OSO to comeback and develop a midrange, book it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2024, 12:45:28 PM
I would have thought MU would be a couple point dog with a healthy TK.

They are. Two to four dogs depending on the stat site. You betting Blue Jays?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Plaque Lives Matter! on March 01, 2024, 12:50:26 PM
Has anyone seen on campus if Kolek is in a walking boot
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 01, 2024, 12:53:17 PM
Has anyone seen on campus if Kolek is in a walking boot

Not good.

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Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 01, 2024, 12:55:27 PM
Dr. B

I have a good feeling that the recent good play will continue tomorrow. They might steal one without TK. That said, likely no wager being made on the game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 01, 2024, 01:00:01 PM
A win without Kolek tomorrow would epitomize the culture Shaka has built in the last few years. A loss and it’s just about getting healthy and moving on to the next.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: barfolomew on March 01, 2024, 01:21:37 PM
A win without Kolek tomorrow would epitomize the culture Shaka has built in the last few years. A loss and it’s just about getting healthy and moving on to the next recalling the Enola Gay and getting Bruce Willis up on that asteroid.

FIFY
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 01, 2024, 01:30:53 PM
Marquette being a 3.5 point underdog tells me Vegas expects Kolek to be out.

As others have said, that number is about where I would have expected it if Kolek is playing. I suspect Vegas, like the rest of us, hasn't heard very much.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CTWarrior on March 01, 2024, 01:40:09 PM
With the exception of Amadou and Lowery, every player has brought the ball up and started the offense this season.    I want TKo back and think his presence/absence could be the difference against Creighton and UConn. Because those two teams are really freaking good.   And MU might not have won WITH him.   
    MU without him is good enough to beat a lot of other teams.

Heal quickly, young man.
I wish I had the confidence of others on this board.  I don't like our chances in any of our remaining games, including at Xavier, without Kolek.  We regularly are outscored whenever he takes a break.  Shaka was playing him max minutes for a reason.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 01, 2024, 01:41:40 PM
As others have said, that number is about where I would have expected it if Kolek is playing. I suspect Vegas, like the rest of us, hasn't heard very much.

I think the exact opposite.  The fact Creighton is favored by only 3.5 would lead me to believe he's more likely to play than not. Creighton, with a healthy Kolek, is a three to four point favorite at home.   Often when a star player's status is in doubt, the line isn't posted until the day of the game.  This one is interesting.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 01, 2024, 01:42:56 PM
I think the exact opposite.  The fact Creighton is favored by only 3.5 would lead me to believe he's more likely to play than not. Creighton, with a healthy Kolek, is a three to four point favorite at home.   Often when a star player's status is in doubt, the line isn't posted until the day of the game.  This one is interesting.

Vegas doesn't know anything about his status.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 01, 2024, 01:50:26 PM
I think the exact opposite.  The fact Creighton is favored by only 3.5 would lead me to believe he's more likely to play than not. Creighton, with a healthy Kolek, is a three to four point favorite at home.   Often when a star player's status is in doubt, the line isn't posted until the day of the game.  This one is interesting.

This is not how Vegas works. Vegas is making the spread assuming Tyler will play, but not knowing if he will for certain.  If Tyler is announced out before the game, the line will change before the game. How much?  We do not know, but you can assume Tyler is worth 1-2 points on the line.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 01, 2024, 02:00:10 PM
This is not how Vegas works. Vegas is making the spread assuming Tyler will play, but not knowing if he will for certain.  If Tyler is announced out before the game, the line will change before the game. How much?  We do not know, but you can assume Tyler is worth 1-2 points on the line.

My guess is the line moves at least two points.  Hopefully, we don't have to find out.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: lawdog77 on March 01, 2024, 02:02:59 PM
Vegas doesn't know anything about his status.
Is Matt Mortenson still on the team?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CAGASS24 on March 01, 2024, 02:04:45 PM
My guess is the line moves at least two points.  Hopefully, we don't have to find out.

As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2024, 02:09:54 PM
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage

The press hates us!!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: milwaukee ex-pat on March 01, 2024, 02:11:20 PM
My guess is the line moves at least two points.  Hopefully, we don't have to find out.

Vegas hates us!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 01, 2024, 02:16:39 PM
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage

Tyler's injury is only being posted on degenerate gambling sites at this point, but there is no insider information obviously: https://www.donbest.com/ncaab/injuries

There is no formal injury or load management process like the NBA or NFL has, so it makes sense nothing will come from the team or media until shootaround before the game.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2024, 02:18:13 PM
I would've expected Marquette to be favored or at the very least a pickem with Kolek at 100%.

Creighton has lost to Butler and Nova at home and a shorthanded Providence that we just handled.

Yeah...no chance of that. Pomeroy has us +4 and that assumes full health. We were always going to be an underdog in this game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 01, 2024, 02:23:09 PM
Yeah...no chance of that. Pomeroy has us +4 and that assumes full health. We were always going to be an underdog in this game.

This is 100% correct!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 01, 2024, 02:35:52 PM
The line opened at CU -3.5 and 30 min or so later is -4.5. There are many bettors out there who think Kolek is not playing tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: auburnmarquette on March 01, 2024, 02:43:20 PM
Agreed, 3.5 is the Ken pom prediction.

Formula is he believes Marquette is 0.16 points better than Creighton per 100 possessions so say 0.1 for 70 possession game.

Crieghtons home advantage is 3.3 and marquettes road disadvantage is 3.7, so those average 3.5

3.5 + 0.1 is Creighton by 3.6 so Vegas put it as 3 1-2 but pomeroy uses round numbers so rounds to 4.

The shift to -4.5 is people assuming he is out - and hate to be "that guy" repeating rumors but one student said out rest of regular season. Hope not but I would assume so - just because pitchers miss 2 months with that injury - but I have no medical experience. Assume basketball players get back much faster but need him healed up for the big dance this year and silver lining is seeing if Norman can play 20 minutes and Chase can play 35.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUMountin on March 01, 2024, 02:47:46 PM
As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage

It will get more coverage, but as others have noted, there just isn't enough information for them to go off of.  Most game reports on Wednesday mentioned that he was injured, but there's been minimal news for them to make any more speculation at this time.  Eye on College Basketball Podcast had a few brief mentions in their game preview, but even that was pretty limited based on how little info is out there.  If he misses the game on Saturday, you can bet that there will be more national coverage on Monday, especially leading into the big game against UConn, b/c there will be more to know. 

This is also likely at least partially because of the type of injury--its not like a clear knee or other leg injury where it is often easy to make good educated guesses about the nature/severity from the video and potential to be season-ending.  It was fairly subtle and could be something deemed relatively minor, even if has the potential to be niggling.  And, even as time goes on, it is one that will be tough to gauge when he'll be over it; you can bet that MU will stay tight lipped about it until at least after the X game. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 01, 2024, 02:49:50 PM
Vegas hates us!
The press hates us!!!

...but not as much as nolongerwarriors.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 01, 2024, 02:56:29 PM
Marketing Dept sucks


As an aside, bit surprised there hasnt been some sort of an alert on this injury posted to any of the national sites - we're talking about a legit Natty Contender potentially being without their all American for a period of time leading into the Tourney - youd think that would get some coverage
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Mu8891 on March 01, 2024, 03:14:38 PM
Auburn …
So , u don’t want to be “ that guy “ … and then you spread a baseless rumor from “ a student “

Get lost.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 01, 2024, 03:15:15 PM
Interesting way of telling everyone here you don't understand NCAA seeding.

Interesting take that a currently projected 7 or 8 true seed loses 4 straight games couldn’t possibly drop down 8 or 9 true seed lines. Throw in the fact people vote on those true seeds and emotions/eye test comes into play and it is easy they fall one extra seedline best player is out.

Here is this very topic discussed last year by the chair of the selection committee.  Not only will the have the tourney to evaluate but three other games of which we would have lost all 4. 

https://youtu.be/R_q9OreCh-I?feature=shared

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 01, 2024, 03:22:46 PM
Interesting take that a currently projected 7 or 8 true seed loses 4 straight games couldn’t possibly drop down 8 or 9 true seed lines. Throw in the fact people vote on those true seeds and emotions/eye test comes into play and it is easy they fall one extra seedline best player is out.

Here is this very topic discussed last year by the chair of the selection committee.  Not only will the have the tourney to evaluate but three other games of which we would have lost all 4. 

https://youtu.be/R_q9OreCh-I?feature=shared

Our seed isn’t going to plummet losing two Q1A games and another Q1 game.

No matter how the next three go, we’re not going to get dinged that much IMO. Plus we’re significantly ahead of the teams on the 4 line.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 01, 2024, 03:33:07 PM
Our seed isn’t going to plummet losing two Q1A games and another Q1 game.

No matter how the next three go, we’re not going to get dinged that much IMO. Plus we’re significantly ahead of the teams on the 4 line.

But then you get 1 more loss after that which could be a Q1 or could be lower.  Making 4 straight losses and plenty to evaluate the resume with Tyler.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 01, 2024, 03:43:56 PM
But then you get 1 more loss after that which could be a Q1 or could be lower.  Making 4 straight losses and plenty to evaluate the resume with Tyler.

I don't think it really matters. After the top 15 or so, Marquette's resume would likely be better than anyone below them even if they lose all four.

And it'd be weird for the committee to take his injury that much into account if he was expected to be back. If he's announced done for the year? Then it may be a problem.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 01, 2024, 03:44:45 PM
It’s good to see COLE is back on the board in force.  👀
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 01, 2024, 03:51:55 PM
Vegas doesn't know anything about his status.

Vegas knows he has an injury, but you’re right that they don’t know whether he’ll play. They set the line (3.5) thinking he would play. If it becomes clear that he won’t they’ll either adjust the line or take the game off the board altogether.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 01, 2024, 04:01:57 PM
I don't think it really matters. After the top 15 or so, Marquette's resume would likely be better than anyone below them even if they lose all four.

And it'd be weird for the committee to take his injury that much into account if he was expected to be back. If he's announced done for the year? Then it may be a problem.

That would put MU at the lower end of a 4 seed.  Current 5 seeds (according to some sites) Illinois, BYU, Clemson and Washington St.  Only need them to apply the eye test on two of those.  Current state BYU is 10 in Net, MU is 11th.  BYU is 5-6 against Q1 likely more by then end of the season. MU would end the season 6-9 in Q1.  Seems like that could be one.  Maybe Illinois with they finish hot and they put some wait on the last games. 

Problem is timing of when they announce.  If he can't play in the BET, they would need to announce his return prior to selection Sunday which would be three days after they lost in the BET.  Even then, I would think the committee would take it with a grain of salt.  Is he really ready to return?  Why didn't he play three days ago if they are projecting he will be ready?  Is MU just saying it?  If they announce it prior to the BET they might not get as strong of an eye test.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 01, 2024, 04:05:02 PM
Truly think you're worrying for nothing. Go click through the resumes of the projected 4 seeds. They aren't close to MU. Even if we lose out in the regular season, I'd expect a three seed.

And I don't expect us to lose out. TK's injury will definitely impact them negatively. He's one of the best players in the country. But every single guy on MU is playing at or close to the highest level of their career.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2024, 04:07:39 PM
Barring total collapse, I think a 3-seed is the floor. If we went 2-3 with wins over Xavier and in our first BET game, we probably still are a 3 at worst.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 01, 2024, 04:14:52 PM
Anyone that thinks the group we have available can't beat Xavier might as well not even turn the TV tomorrow and Wednesday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 01, 2024, 04:21:22 PM
Barring total collapse, I think a 3-seed is the floor. If we went 2-3 with wins over Xavier and in our first BET game, we probably still are a 3 at worst.

I agree with this but the scenario I was responding to was a poster saying he expected MU to not get any wins while in another thread saying path in the tournament didn't matter.  I also don't see MU losing 4 straight game.  My initial response was pointing out that if MU can't beat Xavier or Nova without Tyler the path nor the matchups matter.  If they did lose four it realistically drops us to a 4 but there is a factor outside our resume to consider as well.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 01, 2024, 04:22:18 PM
My guess is the line moves at least two points.  Hopefully, we don't have to find out.

We have found out.  Kolek is expected to miss the game.  The line has already moved to Creighton -5.5.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wisblue on March 01, 2024, 04:25:04 PM
Truly think you're worrying for nothing. Go click through the resumes of the projected 4 seeds. They aren't close to MU. Even if we lose out in the regular season, I'd expect a three seed.

And I don't expect us to lose out. TK's injury will definitely impact them negatively. He's one of the best players in the country. But every single guy on MU is playing at or close to the highest level of their career.

A big question for me is how Kolek’s absence would affect everyone else. Will they get the same scoring opportunities without Kolek’s threat of scoring himself or passing off.

This would especially be a challenge tomorrow because the coaching staff hasn’t had much time to retool the offense and rotations to adjust for Kolek not being there.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 01, 2024, 04:49:35 PM
I don't think it really matters. After the top 15 or so, Marquette's resume would likely be better than anyone below them even if they lose all four.

And it'd be weird for the committee to take his injury that much into account if he was expected to be back. If he's announced done for the year? Then it may be a problem.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 01, 2024, 04:50:12 PM
Barring total collapse, I think a 3-seed is the floor. If we went 2-3 with wins over Xavier and in our first BET game, we probably still are a 3 at worst.

Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 01, 2024, 06:01:35 PM
Vegas knows he has an injury, but you’re right that they don’t know whether he’ll play. They set the line (3.5) thinking he would play. If it becomes clear that he won’t they’ll either adjust the line or take the game off the board altogether.

  I always thought the betting set the line.  more people jumping on Creighton -3.5 moves it more negative.  the whales know if someone broke up with their girlfriend or took a hard chit and hurt themselves that morning 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 01, 2024, 06:24:29 PM
We have found out.  Kolek is expected to miss the game.  The line has already moved to Creighton -5.5.

Are you surmising that based on the movement in the line, or have we actually found out?

Also, DraftKings is at 4.5; FanDuel is at 3.5; BetESPN is at 4.5
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 01, 2024, 06:26:24 PM
We have found out.  Kolek is expected to miss the game.  The line has already moved to Creighton -5.5.
im guessing you’re right but where did you see this
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: avid1010 on March 01, 2024, 06:27:32 PM
  I always thought the betting set the line.  more people jumping on Creighton -3.5 moves it more negative.  the whales know if someone broke up with their girlfriend or took a hard chit and hurt themselves that morning
You think Vegas would sit on Kolek info and not move the line? 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 01, 2024, 06:32:45 PM
im guessing you’re right but where did you see this

I think he’s saying that in his opinion the line movement indicates he’s not playing. And I think that’s probably a decent assumption, but nothing has been confirmed anywhere.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: brewcity77 on March 01, 2024, 06:33:40 PM
Looks like Hard Rock is at -5.5, Bet Rivers is -6.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 01, 2024, 06:44:31 PM
Looks like Hard Rock is at -5.5, Bet Rivers is -6.

From the Marquette Department's social media accounts, they had a Tyler body double deployed at Stevie Mitchell Field. Anyone know any Omaha baggage handlers to confirm Tyler didn't make the trip?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 01, 2024, 06:57:56 PM
Are you surmising that based on the movement in the line, or have we actually found out?

Also, DraftKings is at 4.5; FanDuel is at 3.5; BetESPN is at 4.5

I’m guessing he’s out based on the sharp money pouring in on Creighton.  I have no special insight into Kolek’s status for the game. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 01, 2024, 07:16:28 PM
With Shaka's comments, I really think there's enough publicly available information to assume that the best case scenario for tomorrow is Kolek plays but is significantly limited. I'm not at all surprised the spread would reflect that and don't think it suggests any inside information baked in.

I will say, if the line moves to +7, I'm interested. MU is playing with a lot of confidence right now. I might even consider them moneyline.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUFC9295 on March 01, 2024, 07:18:15 PM
TKO passed out at 31 flavors last night.  Not going to say how I know, but it seems pretty serious. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 01, 2024, 07:25:02 PM
If he was 100% out, the line would be MU+20 as we’d have no chance to even keep it close

Hopefully he has a restful weekend in Milwaukee & his teammates bring home a W
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillWarriors on March 02, 2024, 09:18:07 AM
I just hope the road win shakes aren’t too thick. Sucking through a straw could aggravate an oblique.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Ardmore Mug on March 02, 2024, 09:27:43 AM
Does anyone know for sure, if TK made the trip???  Anyone see him at the Airport??  8-)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 02, 2024, 09:35:38 AM
Does anyone know for sure, if TK made the trip???  Anyone see him at the Airport??  8-)

I expect him to be there if for no other reason, just to piss off the Creighton fans.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 02, 2024, 09:37:18 AM
Does anyone know for sure, if TK made the trip???  Anyone see him at the Airport??  8-)

Stayed in MKE for study hall.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2024, 09:52:00 AM
Stayed in MKE for study hall.

They gave him 'Hooked on Phonics' and he thought it said 'Hooked on Phoenix'.

Book your tickets to the Final Four now.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bilsu on March 02, 2024, 10:04:50 AM
Lose then game without Kolek and the loss is discounted.
The loss would be more damaging, if we lost this game with a healthy Kolek.
Beating Creighton without Kolek would be huge.  It will be tough to beat Creighton without Kolek, but I do not think it is impossible.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 10:30:49 AM
The spread is moving aggressively in Creighton's favor. Pretty clear that Kolek will not play. Seeing MU +6.5/+105. Gonna hold a little longer and try to eke out +7.5.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mug644 on March 02, 2024, 10:46:09 AM
They gave him 'Hooked on Phonics' and he thought it said 'Hooked on Phoenix'.

Book your tickets to the Final Four now.

CLAP, CLAP !!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TheREALwrk on March 02, 2024, 11:05:41 AM
Thanks, Bilsu, this was insightful

Lose then game without Kolek and the loss is discounted.
The loss would be more damaging, if we lost this game with a healthy Kolek.
Beating Creighton without Kolek would be huge.  It will be tough to beat Creighton without Kolek, but I do not think it is impossible.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 02, 2024, 11:32:05 AM
Stayed in MKE for study hall.
#LearntoRead
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 02, 2024, 11:38:49 AM
The spread is moving aggressively in Creighton's favor. Pretty clear that Kolek will not play. Seeing MU +6.5/+105. Gonna hold a little longer and try to eke out +7.5.

It's +7.5 now
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 02, 2024, 11:41:10 AM
  have TK give the pregame gut check speech-come out in warm up shirts with TK pic saying kolek'em
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 11:42:21 AM
It's +7.5 now

Where are you seeing that?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 02, 2024, 12:09:59 PM
Where are you seeing that?

Fox Sports has it at 7 and ESPN ticker has it at 7.5. Was it a Providence contact injury or a non contact injury
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 02, 2024, 12:18:47 PM
Fox Sports has it at 7 and ESPN ticker has it at 7.5. Was it a Providence contact injury or a non contact injury

Non contact - he was jumping and twisting to make a pass.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: jesmu84 on March 02, 2024, 12:34:03 PM
Out per Goodman on Twitter
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 02, 2024, 12:34:37 PM
Out per Goodman on Twitter

And Oso.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 02, 2024, 12:35:39 PM
Tyler didn't even travel with the team.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 02, 2024, 12:37:27 PM
Tyler didn't even travel with the team.

Can’t talk his way in if he’s not there.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: nyg on March 02, 2024, 12:41:30 PM
So much for those who predicted MU would win. 

Looking forward to Gold going up against Kalkbrenner and then Amadou's turn.  Freshmen to get some serious playing time though, heck foul trouble and a walk-on might play.  Kam may have 25 shots today.

Worst is that game is on national TV.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 02, 2024, 12:45:26 PM
So much for those who predicted MU would win. 

Looking forward to Gold going up against Kalkbrenner and then Amadou's turn.  Freshmen to get some serious playing time though, heck foul trouble and a walk-on might play.  Kam may have 25 shots today.

Worst is that game is on national TV.  Oh well.

That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 02, 2024, 12:47:27 PM
That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.

Why? This isn't some one-man team. It would have been hard, but "fantasy?"
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 02, 2024, 12:47:39 PM
That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.

Was it unlikely?  Sure.  Fantasy land?  Absolutely not. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: nyg on March 02, 2024, 12:51:32 PM
That was fantasy land before Oso’s news.

No, not fantasy, but it's people's opinion and should be so.  If MU won, they are genius, if lose, it's nothing, no ones remembers. Everyone has a right to say.

All I know is that I just got Creighton at +6.5 on Fanduel before it goes up.  Thanks to Titan who posted the Oso news.
Watch, Kam goes nuclear from three and scores forty, Gold blocks all Kalbrenner shots and Mitchell, without foul trouble holds Alexander to two points.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 02, 2024, 12:52:11 PM
So much for those who predicted MU would win. 

Looking forward to Gold going up against Kalkbrenner and then Amadou's turn.  Freshmen to get some serious playing time though, heck foul trouble and a walk-on might play.  Kam may have 25 shots today.

Worst is that game is on national TV.  Oh well.
Solid Preview of Next Years Squad
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 02, 2024, 12:53:37 PM
Solid Preview of Next Years Squad

Luckily all of the Creighton starters will be gone next year when this group plays them again.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 12:54:23 PM
So much for those who predicted MU would win. 

Incredible self-righteousness about an unexpected illness to Marquette's second best player. I'll be rooting hard against your bet.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: warriorchick on March 02, 2024, 01:18:17 PM


Worst is that game is on national TV.  Oh well.

I am sure the announcers will mention dozens of times that our two best players are out.

Also, who cares what non-fans might think when they watch us today?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: marqfan22 on March 02, 2024, 01:30:20 PM
Did Kolek travel to the game?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2024, 01:32:35 PM
Did Kolek travel to the game?

No
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 02, 2024, 01:32:58 PM
Tyler didn't even travel with the team.

Doesn’t seem great.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: NickelDimer on March 02, 2024, 01:34:05 PM
Assuming he’s getting as much treatment as possible I don’t see why he’d travel or why it’s a big deal he didn’t
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 02, 2024, 01:35:58 PM
Assuming he’s getting as much treatment as possible I don’t see why he’d travel or why it’s a big deal he didn’t

Even Sean travelled to the game, so Kolek must be really hurt.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 02, 2024, 01:36:03 PM
Doesn’t seem great.
As mentioned by others, I really don't read anything into it other than Shaka decided there was zero chance he plays. Skipping the travel this time of year can only help.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: NickelDimer on March 02, 2024, 01:36:52 PM
Even Sean travelled to the game, so Kolek must be really hurt.
I’m not sure one has anything to do with the other
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 02, 2024, 01:37:07 PM
nyg

Seldom gives out a ton of confidence in his posts. Find it amusing that he would point out posters thought they could win without TK. Who knows, maybe they win without TK and Oso.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 02, 2024, 01:37:30 PM
I’m not sure one has anything to do with the other

I was just joking. Agreeing with you that it means nothing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 02, 2024, 01:37:46 PM
Doesn’t seem great.

Don’t think it means anything either way.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 02, 2024, 01:38:48 PM
MU savin' da airfare, hotel room, and per diem, hey?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: NickelDimer on March 02, 2024, 01:39:52 PM
I was just joking. Agreeing with you that it means nothing.
My bad for missing that. Hanging my head in shame
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: We R Final Four on March 02, 2024, 02:27:46 PM
Doesn’t seem great.
Day to day.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 02, 2024, 02:28:54 PM
Who knows?  Maybe he is puking, too.  Oso's roommate.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 03:29:51 PM
...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JTJ3 on March 02, 2024, 03:36:28 PM
In the NBA at least, not travelling would be a good sign.  Would mean he's back getting final treatment and workouts in with a return date in mind.  If a guy is out a while still he will travel just to be with the team and the travel time doesnt matter with a long rehab still to go.  Thats how the Bucks and others have operated for years now.  I dont know if Marquette is the same but we will find out.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillWarriors on March 02, 2024, 03:40:22 PM
Who knows?  Maybe he is puking, too.  Oso's roommate.

That wouldn’t be comfortable with an oblique injury!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 02, 2024, 03:49:26 PM
Shaka said he’s feeling better but no timeline for return yet
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 02, 2024, 03:49:51 PM
Shaka said he’s feeling better but no timeline for return yet

Love to hear that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 02, 2024, 03:51:49 PM
Day to day.

Is that his official status? That’d be good.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 02, 2024, 03:52:33 PM
Shaka said he’s feeling better but no timeline for return yet
So he's going to return from the ICU? I think Pope Francis will agree this is a miracle. But where to put the shrine?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 02, 2024, 03:53:29 PM
So he's going to return from the ICU? I think Pope Francis will agree this is a miracle. But where to put the shrine?

Shaka said Tyler told him he’s feeling better with eye tracking software as he is completely missing his torso atm
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wisblue on March 02, 2024, 03:55:16 PM
Day to day.

Day to day is what they say when they aren’t going to announce an expected timeline.

I read nothing into it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 02, 2024, 03:57:02 PM
Day to day is what they say when they aren’t going to announce an expected timeline.

I read nothing into it.

Or he's day-to-day. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 02, 2024, 03:58:29 PM
We're all day-to-day.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 02, 2024, 04:11:50 PM
We're all day-to-day.

Sometimes we're hour-to-hour. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUEng92 on March 02, 2024, 04:23:49 PM
Sometimes we're hour-to-hour.
Meh, I’m not sure what, if anything is going to hurt when I get up of this couch in a minute.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 02, 2024, 04:27:01 PM
Meh, I’m not sure what, if anything is going to hurt when I get up of this couch in a minute.

Fair. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 02, 2024, 06:29:23 PM
Maybe the virus duped him and made him think it was an oblique
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 02, 2024, 11:36:51 PM
Jeff Goodman just said on the Field of 68 that he thinks Kolek's injury is probably pretty serious given the fact that he didn't even travel but was able to push through a black and blue ankle in November to win at Illinois. He is pretty close to TK, so not sure if he is just guessing or maybe has some "insider info", but he mentioned that he doesn't think he will play until the Big East Tournament.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 02, 2024, 11:43:11 PM
Jeff Goodman just said on the Field of 68 that he thinks Kolek's injury is probably pretty serious given the fact that he didn't even travel but was able to push through a black and blue ankle in November to win at Illinois. He is pretty close to TK, so not sure if he is just guessing or maybe has some "insider info", but he mentioned that he doesn't think he will play until the Big East Tournament.

Shaka said in the press conference that Kolek is feeling significantly better and thought it just made sense for him to stay home and continue rehab. That’s really all I needed to hear on it. He’ll be back soon.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/KWXy-2G7OGc?feature=shared
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 03, 2024, 12:10:38 AM
Shaka said in the press conference that Kolek is feeling significantly better and thought it just made sense for him to stay home and continue rehab. That’s really all I needed to hear on it. He’ll be back soon.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/KWXy-2G7OGc?feature=shared



I trust Shaka,.  Not Jeff Goodman. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 03, 2024, 12:22:19 AM
Shaka said in the press conference that Kolek is feeling significantly better and thought it just made sense for him to stay home and continue rehab. That’s really all I needed to hear on it. He’ll be back soon.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/KWXy-2G7OGc?feature=shared

I think it might be tough to keep him out of Senior night against UConn. It sure would be nice to send those 2 Seniors out with a win and lock in a 2 seed, but I'd rather be a 3 and completely healthy.

Part of me thinks it could be a good thing that Marquette has become an afterthought to many with the Kolek injury and the blowout loss in Connecticut...assuming Kolek is able to get healthy at some point.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: fjm on March 03, 2024, 07:22:22 AM
I think it might be tough to keep him out of Senior night against UConn. It sure would be nice to send those 2 Seniors out with a win and lock in a 2 seed, but I'd rather be a 3 and completely healthy.

Part of me thinks it could be a good thing that Marquette has become an afterthought to many with the Kolek injury and the blowout loss in Connecticut...assuming Kolek is able to get healthy at some point.

I could see him suiting up and playing 30 seconds against UConn and subbing out.

But he won’t be playing fully until BEast tourney or the ncaas
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 03, 2024, 07:30:53 AM
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 03, 2024, 07:33:15 AM
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.

It has nothing to do with seeding. Why give your opponents any information you don't have to? There is no reason for Marquette to say anything.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 03, 2024, 07:41:28 AM
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.

No.  It’s not at all like professional sports for college athletes due to privacy laws. I’m far from any expert on it, but different rules apply for college and amateur athletes.  Notice all they said about Oso being out yesterday was “Illness”. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 03, 2024, 07:55:53 AM
No.  It’s not at all like professional sports for college athletes due to privacy laws. I’m far from any expert on it, but different rules apply for college and amateur athletes.  Notice all they said about Oso being out yesterday was “Illness”. 

TAMU would know more about this than I would but I don't think it has anything to do with privacy laws as those are largely, but not entirely waived as student athletes. Otherwise Shaka couldn't even say anything at a press conference.

There is simply no mandatory disclosure...so why disclose?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 03, 2024, 08:02:17 AM
TAMU would know more about this than I would but I don't think it has anything to do with privacy laws as those are largely, but not entirely waived as student athletes. Otherwise Shaka couldn't even say anything at a press conference.

There is simply no mandatory disclosure...so why disclose?

My understanding is players can give consent to what info is put out there as public information. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 03, 2024, 08:06:31 AM
No.  It’s not at all like professional sports for college athletes due to privacy laws. I’m far from any expert on it, but different rules apply for college and amateur athletes.  Notice all they said about Oso being out yesterday was “Illness”.

I agree. That said, these players are no longer amateurs and sports betting is now paying the bills. I expect this to change with disclosures required. It introduces a cloud.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 03, 2024, 08:07:34 AM
My understanding is players can give consent to what info is put out there as public information. 

Then why can Shaka talk about Tyler's oblique injury at a press conference?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 03, 2024, 08:09:07 AM
I agree. That said, these players are no longer amateurs and sports betting is now paying the bills. I expect this to change with disclosures required. It introduces a cloud.

I agree, just a matter of time given how significantly the landscape of college athletics has changed so drastically.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 03, 2024, 08:15:43 AM
Then why can Shaka talk about Tyler's oblique injury at a press conference?
Players sign blanket release forms at the beginning of each season.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 03, 2024, 08:18:25 AM
Jeff Goodman just said on the Field of 68 that he thinks Kolek's injury is probably pretty serious given the fact that he didn't even travel but was able to push through a black and blue ankle in November to win at Illinois. He is pretty close to TK, so not sure if he is just guessing or maybe has some "insider info", but he mentioned that he doesn't think he will play until the Big East Tournament.

When I started to read this, I expected the conclusion to be something really bad. Then I got to the last sentence.

If Kolek really is only out until the Big East Tournament, I will consider it very good fortune for Marquette - especially if he returns at close to full health. Heck, I'll consider it very good fortune for Marquette even if he misses the BET but is back at full strength for the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 03, 2024, 08:25:03 AM
82

I agree. If TK is back for BET I will be a very happy guy. There is no need to rush things and I am sure they will not. Their resume has given them flexibility on how to handle things and that is all you can ask for in March.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: fjm on March 03, 2024, 12:59:04 PM
Is Marquette being quiet about the injury because it could effect NCAA seeding? I cant recall ever trying to find updates on a player and there is literally silence even minutes before the game. Possibly because its not an injury that's just black or white like a acl tear.

While I get where you’re coming from, it may be your thoughts and concern due to it being the end of year and kolek.

If you look back a few months, I do on chase’s shoulder, kams ankle, koleks ankle, and Mitchell’s hamstring was also very sparse. You couldn’t find anything on them on twitter. Shoot, we thought Chase was out another 2 weeks possibly, and boom 15 min before the nova game he was announced as playing.

It may be keeping it close to the chest with the NCAA tourney coming up, but maybe also just cause there’s no info to give the opponents.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 04, 2024, 10:08:30 AM
Tweet from Marquette Basketball.
Guard Tyler Kolek (oblique) will miss the final two games (vs. UConn, at Xavier) of the regular season & be re-evaluated prior to the team’s BIG EAST tournament opener on March 14.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 04, 2024, 06:07:02 PM
Well, since they are honoring TK and Oso pregame on Wednesday, it takes away some of the questions for next season. The boys have a great run and hope the crowd arrives early to salute their efforts.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 04, 2024, 06:37:11 PM
TyKo  knocked out is a tough blow for MU to absorb. Kind of reminds of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZEIMQ42-oU
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 04, 2024, 06:39:12 PM
Well, since they are honoring TK and Oso pregame on Wednesday, it takes away some of the questions for next season. The boys have a great run and hope the crowd arrives early to salute their efforts.

Creighton honored Scheierman on its Senior Day last season but then he decided to return.

I am 100% certain Oso is gone and 98.6% sure about Kolek, but being honored, in and of itself, doesn't guarantee a player leaves.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 04, 2024, 07:23:56 PM
Well, since they are honoring TK and Oso pregame on Wednesday, it takes away some of the questions for next season. The boys have a great run and hope the crowd arrives early to salute their efforts.

All this tells us is that either Tyler is leaving or he hasn't decided yet.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 04, 2024, 07:35:57 PM
TAMU

Yes, that is correct. That said, I hope the NBA makes his mind up for him and he chases his dreams.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: oilcan on March 04, 2024, 07:53:39 PM
I’m starting to put my mind together and I want to estimate the future. When Chase Ross hurt his shoulder some said he dislocated it and he could be out for the year. What a relief to see that he didn’t need surgery, and low and behold he came back a week later. And then we saw him play so well recently. 

And then Tyler hurt his oblique so he could be out for the year. No determination, no  expectation. Indecision. Fans are devastated. The team could be unsuccessful in achieving their goals.

The teamed played really well against Creighton. If Tyler’s room mate Oso knew he was out for the year he would cry his eyes out. And that didn't happen  And now we know that Tyler will sit out a week or two. That’s good news. Just touch and go in my mind.  I understand it could cause the team to lose a few games before the 64 and not be a 2nd or 3rd seed.  But if Kolek comes back it’s all a blessing. And the year will look as good as could be. I believe.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 04, 2024, 08:12:36 PM
I’m starting to put my mind together and I want to estimate the future. When Chase Ross hurt his shoulder some said he dislocated it and he could be out for the year. What a relief to see that he didn’t need surgery, and low and behold he came back a week later. And then we saw him play so well recently. 

And then Tyler hurt his oblique so he could be out for the year. No determination, no  expectation. Indecision. Fans are devastated. The team could be unsuccessful in achieving their goals.

The teamed played really well against Creighton. If Tyler’s room mate Oso knew he was out for the year he would cry his eyes out. And that didn't happen  And now we know that Tyler will sit out a week or two. That’s good news. Just touch and go in my mind.  I understand it could cause the team to lose a few games before the 64 and not be a 2nd or 3rd seed.  But if Kolek comes back it’s all a blessing. And the year will look as good as could be. I believe.

Even if everything is not quite what it once was, I am really glad that you are staying focused on the team and making the best of it.  Keep posting from your heart Oilcan. Kudos for bravely telling us what is going on with you and know that you have a lot of scoopers who are solidly behind you.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: oilcan on March 04, 2024, 08:53:34 PM
I'm even trying to remember how to make a layup and my friends remind me what English is and I appreciate it. Somethings I don't even care about anymore. Thank you. Just keep going my friend Barry in Oconomowoc says. Don't quit. Somethings take awhile. OK, that's good advice. Good night.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2024, 10:20:25 AM
I'm even trying to remember how to make a layup and my friends remind me what English is and I appreciate it. Somethings I don't even care about anymore. Thank you. Just keep going my friend Barry in Oconomowoc says. Don't quit. Somethings take awhile. OK, that's good advice. Good night.
wisdom from lake country, hey. Barry the barkeep at Red Circle Inn?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2024, 11:43:26 AM
PER SHAKA: "He (Kolek) lifted weights yesterday. Distinct possibility he is back on 03/14 at MSG."

"Barring a miracle, he won't play this week."
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 05, 2024, 11:51:06 AM
PER SHAKA: "He (Kolek) lifted weights yesterday. Distinct possibility he is back on 03/14 at MSG."

"Barring a miracle, he won't play this week."

Where did Shaka say this? I do not see any media availability or presser online. Thanks!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2024, 11:54:38 AM
https://twitter.com/lanceallan/status/1765070149324071129 (https://twitter.com/lanceallan/status/1765070149324071129)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2024, 11:55:40 AM
Where did Shaka say this? I do not see any media availability or presser online. Thanks!

I was watching the TMJ live presser.  Not sure if they will have a replay or not.

https://www.tmj4.com/breakingnews
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 05, 2024, 11:57:23 AM
I was watching the TMJ live presser.  Not sure if they will have a replay or not.

https://www.tmj4.com/breakingnews

Thanks!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2024, 11:58:53 AM
Thanks!

You betcha!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 05, 2024, 11:59:22 AM
I think next week at MSG is a realistic possibility.  Maybe Saturday if everything goes right between now and then, but it’s probably not worth the risk.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 05, 2024, 12:02:17 PM
PER SHAKA: "He (Kolek) lifted weights yesterday. Distinct possibility he is back on 03/14 at MSG."

"Barring a miracle, he won't play this week."

Great news, thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUbiz on March 05, 2024, 12:02:49 PM
I was watching the TMJ live presser.  Not sure if they will have a replay or not.

https://www.tmj4.com/breakingnews

Here is Lance Allen's tweet - https://twitter.com/lanceallan/status/1765070149324071129
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 05, 2024, 12:05:56 PM
Great news, thanks for sharing

And we got this info without any secret, confidential sources from inside the team.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2024, 12:06:19 PM
or see seven posts ago

Here is Lance Allen's tweet - https://twitter.com/lanceallan/status/1765070149324071129
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2024, 12:07:34 PM
Code for: He’s not playing again this year
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Miss Katie’s on March 05, 2024, 12:27:27 PM
https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1765079763805458550?s=46&t=6KAgXUvazduj9PbqHcKhGQ
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 05, 2024, 12:44:05 PM
As I said earlier today, I'm feeling good about Kolek being a go for the NCAA tournament. This latest information confirms that belief. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 05, 2024, 12:46:47 PM
As I said earlier today, I'm feeling good about Kolek being a go for the NCAA tournament. This latest information confirms that belief. Thanks for posting.

Oh he’s gonna play.

How good he is, up for debate.

He’s gonna play tho.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2024, 12:51:28 PM
Oh he’s gonna play.

How good he is, up for debate.

He’s gonna play tho.

He had 7, 5, and 4 against Michigan State and it was a 1 point game with 3:07 left in the game.

Just be a bit better than that (hopefully a lot) to get us to the 2nd weekend and earn a bit more rest.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 05, 2024, 01:00:05 PM
Shaka clearly playing mind-games to cover up for Tyler's academic suspension and oblique amputation. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2024, 01:07:05 PM
For anyone that wants to see the full presser.

https://youtu.be/8IC99-AqDyI?si=UsUZ8GPfjKCrOsft
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2024, 01:18:31 PM
don't forget the Big East and/or MU suspension for St Johns post-game comments...

Shaka clearly playing mind-games to cover up for Tyler's academic suspension and oblique amputation.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 05, 2024, 01:26:02 PM
Hey Point

I think you threw me a couple of wild reports this year and probably as wild as TK suspension would have been. Pretty sure one of them is pretty far fetched and I think you might have taken that bait. Maybe guys are testing you on here and seeing how far they can throw out conspiracies and rumors before you call their bluff.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 05, 2024, 01:36:26 PM
Hey Point

I think you threw me a couple of wild reports this year and probably as wild as TK suspension would have been. Pretty sure one of them is pretty far fetched and I think you might have taken that bait. Maybe guys are testing you on here and seeing how far they can throw out conspiracies and rumors before you call their bluff.

Scoopers would never do such a dastardly thing Goose.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: oilcan on March 05, 2024, 01:38:31 PM
Viper– Barry hangs out at the Kick Switch Bar in Okauchee. It only holds 50 people and on weekends they have a really good band. There are a lot of cute girls in that place. Everywhere you go there’s a lake. They’re all named after ducks. Barry has a pacemaker and he’s in better shape than me. He drives me to Miss Katie’s and we take the bus to the Fiserv game.

He grew up in Greendale, a great small town. Robin Yount lived there. I told Barry that his sister new him because she worked at a grocery store and Yount went shopping in there. Barry said I was crazy and I said I don’t make up crap. Ask your sister. I remember stuff but not always so good.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2024, 02:01:32 PM
Well, Kolek did say "BBQ Chicken" so that could have been a dog-whistle to the Scoop Meat Eaters signaling a conspiracy.....


Hey Point

I think you threw me a couple of wild reports this year and probably as wild as TK suspension would have been. Pretty sure one of them is pretty far fetched and I think you might have taken that bait. Maybe guys are testing you on here and seeing how far they can throw out conspiracies and rumors before you call their bluff.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 05, 2024, 02:13:05 PM
Point

Do your UW buddies think TK is suspended for grades?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Viper on March 05, 2024, 02:22:32 PM
Viper– Barry hangs out at the Kick Switch Bar in Okauchee. It only holds 50 people and on weekends they have a really good band. There are a lot of cute girls in that place. Everywhere you go there’s a lake. They’re all named after ducks. Barry has a pacemaker and he’s in better shape than me. He drives me to Miss Katie’s and we take the bus to the Fiserv game.

He grew up in Greendale, a great small town. Robin Yount lived there. I told Barry that his sister new him because she worked at a grocery store and Yount went shopping in there. Barry said I was crazy and I said I don’t make up crap. Ask your sister. I remember stuff but not always so good.
my buddy lives on Okauchee…not far down from where Coach Bud had his joint before the Bucks gave him the launch. We’ll check out that bar sometime! Let me know if they book Metallica or Aerosmith 😊
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 05, 2024, 02:50:50 PM
Well, Kolek did say "BBQ Chicken" so that could have been a dog-whistle to the Scoop Meat Eaters signaling a conspiracy.....

I love conspiracies! Got any more?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 05, 2024, 03:00:45 PM
they did....

Point

Do your UW buddies think TK is suspended for grades?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 05, 2024, 03:29:23 PM
Smoke n mirrors pt 2??
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 05, 2024, 03:30:26 PM
Smoke n mirrors pt 2??
What was part 1?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 05, 2024, 03:35:36 PM
What was part 1?

https://x.com/hollyjelle/status/723274418882002944?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 06, 2024, 06:00:33 AM
my buddy lives on Okauchee…not far down from where Coach Bud had his joint before the Bucks gave him the launch. We’ll check out that bar sometime! Let me know if they book Metallica or Aerosmith 😊

  is that near "smoke on the water'?  that noise you just heard was chili's stomach grawl
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoFastAndWin on March 06, 2024, 09:19:19 AM
I love conspiracies! Got any more?
I don’t, but the Dodds board does. A guy with a Heatwade03 username claims to be a neural system specialist and insists that the facial injury Tyler sustained prior to the oblique issue was actually a concussion, the effects of which often manifest in other parts of the body. So, the inference is that Tyler is simply following concussion protocol. 

Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 06, 2024, 09:52:51 AM
GoFast

Let's go with the concussion. Quicker turnaround time.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 06, 2024, 10:00:09 AM
the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt.

Second time it's been mentioned, and nobody provided a link.  Had to search, because kolek is also on nil.store (https://marquette.nil.store/collections/tyler-kolek-11) in case some of you didn't know, but it's actually on his own:

https://tylerkolek.com/shop
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 06, 2024, 10:01:01 AM
I don’t, but the Dodds board does. A guy with a Heatwade03 username claims to be a neural system specialist and insists that the facial injury Tyler sustained prior to the oblique issue was actually a concussion, the effects of which often manifest in other parts of the body. So, the inference is that Tyler is simply following concussion protocol. 

Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.

Thanks! I'm heading there right now to sign up. I hope to last at least a week before Dodds bans me, a very worthy honor.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 06, 2024, 10:38:09 AM

Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.

Wow ... that didn't take long. If only the Marquette marketing department were as good as Kolek's!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillWarriors on March 06, 2024, 10:45:33 AM
Second time it's been mentioned, and nobody provided a link.  Had to search, because kolek is also on nil.store (https://marquette.nil.store/collections/tyler-kolek-11) in case some of you didn't know, but it's actually on his own:

https://tylerkolek.com/shop

Those are outstanding!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 06, 2024, 11:35:25 AM
Those are outstanding!!

To each their own... but those look incredibly cheap to me
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 06, 2024, 11:40:22 AM
To each their own... but those look incredibly cheap to me

The front is sweet.  Don't think you need the name and number on the back.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 06, 2024, 12:06:45 PM
I don’t, but the Dodds board does. A guy with a Heatwade03 username claims to be a neural system specialist and insists that the facial injury Tyler sustained prior to the oblique issue was actually a concussion, the effects of which often manifest in other parts of the body. So, the inference is that Tyler is simply following concussion protocol. 

Also, while on the Dodds site, I saw a link to the TylerKolek NIL store featuring a very cool Marquette Warrior 11 shirt. Think Jae Crowder-type spin on the Warrior logo but add some blood trickling down TKO’s face.

Honestly, that feels less crazy than some of the Dodds board talking points. I'm sure one poster thinks the oblique would be fine if his ankle was taped properly.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 06, 2024, 01:31:44 PM
Goose - this reminds me of the "tin-foil hat" era of scoop...


GoFast

Let's go with the concussion. Quicker turnaround time.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 06, 2024, 05:30:19 PM
Point

Maybe it was not a tin-foil hat era? You still think Kolek is suspended for grades? Could not resist!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 06, 2024, 05:37:28 PM
No - I think it's the BE suspension for the "BB Chicken" comment

Point

Maybe it was not a tin-foil hat era? You still think Kolek is suspended for grades? Could not resist!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 06, 2024, 05:59:51 PM
Well played, Point.

How far do you think they go in NCAA?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 06, 2024, 06:53:27 PM
Goose - I have always been in the Final Four camp...


Well played, Point.

How far do you think they go in NCAA?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 06, 2024, 07:05:04 PM
Goose - I have always been in the Final Four camp...
Fck FF, no finish line!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 07, 2024, 01:01:10 PM
Nice little tribute

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1765812949359165657?t=I5mbfb8hCyBCNE6ZI1XA7Q&s=19
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 07, 2024, 01:04:49 PM
Thats what they played as he was being introduced at the stadium.  MU streamed the ceremony - not sure if you can still do the replay.

Edit: here is the ceremony.

 https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1765544141729955904?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1765544141729955904?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2024, 01:18:04 PM
Nice little tribute

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1765812949359165657?t=I5mbfb8hCyBCNE6ZI1XA7Q&s=19

Come on man, don't make me sad.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 07, 2024, 01:24:33 PM
Thats what they played as he was being introduced at the stadium.  MU streamed the ceremony - not sure if you can still do the replay.

Edit: here is the ceremony.

 https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1765544141729955904?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1765544141729955904?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
Nice to see the students and kids having a fun time. Thats what it is all about .
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: jesmu84 on March 07, 2024, 05:59:03 PM
Come on man, don't make me sad.

I'm not crying, you're crying
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 07, 2024, 06:37:47 PM
Shaka said at his show tonight, that Tyler was trying to shoot a little bit today. Not from very far out, but that he was getting some shots up which is an improvement from early on after the injury when he had pains when doing simple activities like breathing. No update on timetable yet obviously.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wisblue on March 07, 2024, 06:39:17 PM
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2024, 06:41:44 PM
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.

He’s not playing another game as a Golden Eagle
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: murara1994 on March 07, 2024, 07:11:06 PM
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.

You are getting played and lack critical thinking skills.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 07, 2024, 07:18:56 PM
He’s not playing another game as a Golden Eagle

I’m just surprised they haven’t amputated the oblique yet.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: murara1994 on March 07, 2024, 07:22:30 PM
I’m just surprised they haven’t amputated the oblique yet.
Assisted suicide is the only option.  Send him to Canada.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 07, 2024, 07:24:36 PM
Assisted suicide is the only option.  Send him to Canada.

One last assist for Kolek.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 07, 2024, 10:26:33 PM
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.

Not wrong.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: pbiflyer on March 07, 2024, 11:06:37 PM
He’s not playing another game as a Golden Eagle

Absolutely true. All his future Marquette games will be as a Warrior!  ;D
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 07, 2024, 11:14:02 PM
Absolutely true. All his future Marquette games will be as a Warrior!  ;D

Also not wrong.  What's a golden eagle?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 08, 2024, 01:01:10 AM
Thanks and kudos to Shaka for recognizing how awesome Tyler is and recruiting him out of the transfer portal
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 08, 2024, 06:27:33 AM
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.

I share your skepticism.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Iggy05 on March 08, 2024, 06:59:56 AM
That does not sound like someone who is returning in a week.

For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 08, 2024, 07:03:19 AM
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.

Thanks for this insight. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 08, 2024, 07:07:50 AM
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.

That would be great news. Thank you.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 08, 2024, 07:14:08 AM
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.

The bold part is what always worries me. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: swoopem on March 08, 2024, 07:15:01 AM
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.

When you say next Thursday do you mean 3/14 or 3/21?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 08, 2024, 07:17:33 AM
When you say next Thursday do you mean 3/14 or 3/21?

Is this a serious question?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Iggy05 on March 08, 2024, 07:37:48 AM
The bold part is what always worries me.

As well, I'm still holding my breath - which includes me saying an extra prayer for TK each night at dinner, which is received with a strong eye roll... I trust her judgement, she's extremely well versed in her job but I also can't seem to recover from the Dominic James / Diener / Markus Howard / TK of last year days. #PRAY
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 08, 2024, 08:40:30 AM
I think things are on track.  Kolek is progressing every day.  Resuming weightlifting earlier this week was the first sign of progress.  Resuming basketball activities (even if it's just shooting 5 footers) is another positive sign.

Things are building positively.  Kolek has plenty of time to expand the shooting range over the next several days.  If he's cleared to practice by Wednesday, great.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bilsu on March 08, 2024, 08:50:50 AM
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.

I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2024, 08:54:35 AM
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.

I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.

You also don’t really wanna just hold him until the in 3/6 round of 32 game and Kolek hasn’t played in 3+ weeks. Recipe to have bad Kolek like we did in the tourney last year with the wrist issue.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 08, 2024, 08:59:25 AM
Don't overthink this.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 08, 2024, 09:02:53 AM
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.

I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.

I kind of agree here. Even if cleared, if there is a possibility of re-injury from coming back too soon I would sit Tyler until the NCAAt.

That gives him an entire extra week of recovery.

I agree with the part about Creighton not being a violent team, but this is a non-violent injury. Seems like the torquing of the body on a pass could re-injure it.

I also agree on the concept of sitting him versus the 15/14 seed, but I’d have a different approach there.
I’d start him to bring back normalcy and get some game time connectivity and I’d only give him 20 mins of run, assuming it was in hand.
Then full go in game 2.

The stakes are too high to run any additional risk before 3/21-22.
I get that if he’s cleared and wants to play you have to respect his decision, but with it being a non-contact injury I’d try to convince him that this approach is best.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: romey on March 08, 2024, 09:05:22 AM
I think things are on track.  Kolek is progressing every day.  Resuming weightlifting earlier this week was the first sign of progress.  Resuming basketball activities (even if it's just shooting 5 footers) is another positive sign.

Things are building positively.  Kolek has plenty of time to expand the shooting range over the next several days.  If he's cleared to practice by Wednesday, great.

Mid-range?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 08, 2024, 09:12:13 AM
I kind of agree here. Even if cleared, if there is a possibility of re-injury from coming back too soon I would sit Tyler until the NCAAt.

If there's a risk of re-injury, then he shouldn't be cleared for the BET.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 08, 2024, 09:17:48 AM
The only game I would play Kolek in before the NCAA tournament is a semi-final Big East matchup, if it is against Creighton. Creighton is not a physical team and I believe we will beat them with Kolek. They should not play him more than one game in Big East tournament. Too much risk playing back-to-back games.
One game gets rust off from not playing.

I also would not play him in a first round NCAA matchup. We should be able to beat a 14th seed without Kolek.

If that’s how MU handled the BET by only playing Kolek in the semifinal and they won, the optics would be terrible sitting him for the championship. It’s not a bad idea, just not realistic.

NCAAT is one and done. Would be a lifetime of regret resting him in round 1 and losing. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 08, 2024, 09:22:15 AM
Anyone who thinks TK should sit round 1 of ncaa even if cleared is nuts and clearly hasn’t watched the ncaa tournament in about a decade

Insane notion, if he’s cleared.

Now, if we go full darkness on the opponent and it turns into a route? Absolutely. To the bench you go Tyler.

But sitting a cleared player in a ncaa game to hope he’s healthy in the game that’s not guaranteed is bat crap insane.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 08, 2024, 09:22:23 AM
If there's a risk of re-injury, then he shouldn't be cleared for the BET.
I agree with this. When he is ready, play him, be it versus UCONN or #14 seed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 08, 2024, 09:38:33 AM
As some may know, I recently had an intercostal muscle strain (maybe similar to oblique?? But muscle tears in/around the rib cage area). The pain was intense and severe, and initially I thought I had cracked a rib(s).

For several days, the pain was crazy when doing certain things such as coughing and laughing. I was out of commission and my pickleball paddle was collecting cobwebs.

Around 10 days in I felt like I could go again and I think it was around 2 weeks, it was feeling pretty much all better.

So, I feel there is hope for Tyler.

That said, even if he’s doing great and is healthy and say we magically advance to the second weekend, I’ll continue to have nightmares and awful thoughts about him potentially making a move where it happens again and he’s dunzo. Every day will be a mental struggle for me in that regard.

PS - I approve of administering any type of drug or treatment to help him play
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 08, 2024, 09:39:19 AM
If there's a risk of re-injury, then he shouldn't be cleared for the BET.
Isn't there always a risk of re-injury?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 08, 2024, 09:40:51 AM
Isn't there always a risk of re-injury?

Yes. That’s why if he’s feeling great next week, I might play him. See what the reaction and short-term effective treatments may be if things get aggravated, in advance of the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 08, 2024, 09:44:40 AM
Yes. That’s why if he’s feeling great next week, I might play him. See what the reaction and short-term effective treatments may be if things get aggravated, in advance of the NCAA tourney.
If he's cleared and he feels good I think you have to test it out, even if for severely limited minutes...see how it feels after some game action
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 08, 2024, 10:07:42 AM
Yes. That’s why if he’s feeling great next week, I might play him. See what the reaction and short-term effective treatments may be if things get aggravated, in advance of the NCAA tourney.

Agreed
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Big Papi on March 08, 2024, 10:08:12 AM
Maybe we should rest him until the NCAA Championship game. Bubble wrap him until then.  Come on guys.  I get the consternation, but these very well could be his last collegiate games. 

I get my viewpoint is different than most here, I want to win everything so that includes conference season titles, Big East Tournament titles and NCAA titles.  They all mean something.  I think winning is a culture we all want.  I don't care about tomorrow; I care about today.  If he is cleared to play, he should play.  Can't worry about reaggravating an injury.  If he is not cleared than he doesn't play.

Kolek is a competitor, a WARRIOR.  I am sure he wants to be out there playing as soon as possible.  His collegiate career is quickly winding down.  If he is cleared to play next week Thursday, he should play.  Trust the staff. 

His MU career has potentially come down to elimination games (holding out hope for a return next year).  Only 2 guaranteed games after Saturday.  I want another title, be it Big East Tournament or NCAA.  You want a winning program, a winning culture, you play to win every game, every tournament. 

If we really want to have tunnel vision and only care about the NCAA tournament, no sense in playing any of our top 7 players the next 2 games.  Bubble wrap them all.  Let Stevie's wrist heal, Kam's ankle heal and let's isolate Oso and Chase so they don't get anyone else sick for the next for the next 12 days or so. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 08, 2024, 10:21:35 AM
Isn't there always a risk of re-injury?

Technically speaking, yes.  But what is the risk of re-injury?  Is it significantly greater than a pre-injury state or about the same?  That determines whether Kolek is cleared for the BET.

And the threshold for being cleared for the BET should be higher than the threshold for the NCAA tournament.  A little more risk is acceptable when the season's on the line.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2024, 10:26:46 AM
I know this is not a popular concept here, but I think Kolek, Shaka, and Kolek's doctor should confer and make the decisions.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 08, 2024, 10:35:11 AM
I think

Cut it out.  No place for that here.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2024, 10:51:19 AM
Cut it out.  No place for that here.

My apologies. You are absolutely right. Mea Culpa. I guess it's a variation of Descartes, huh? "I think, therefore I'm banned."
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: pbiflyer on March 08, 2024, 11:35:33 AM
Don't overthink this.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ban dis guy!
This is what we do here at scoop.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2024, 12:15:53 PM
For what it's worth, I have been the biggest skeptic of him coming back at all this year based on the injury, plus with how gingerly he looked at the UCONN game yet, as I was in attendance. My wife is a PT and she said the progression he's shown, based on the reporting and assuming they are true, is on par - she thinks he'll be back to almost 100% by next Thursday if he doesn't overdo his PT and reaggravate it. She's been adamant the whole time that its a 2-3 week injury, and the first 7-10 days are the worst. She told me in lame-man's terms that it's similar to a really bad bruise, the first few days its extremely painful to the touch, but after a week or so, you notice it, but very little.

Sorry but I definitely trust our expert Scoop doctors more. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2024, 12:18:06 PM
Sorry but I definitely trust our expert Scoop doctors more.

Well, there certainly are a ton of them. They can't all be wrong, can they? So there's that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Viper on March 08, 2024, 12:23:27 PM
TK doesn’t play until cleared by the MU dental school. Full stop.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoFastAndWin on March 08, 2024, 12:31:43 PM
TK doesn’t pay until cleared by the MU dental school. Full stop.

🤣 that oblique and those molars are ready for some NCAA meat 🥩!!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2024, 01:31:43 PM
TK doesn’t pay until cleared by the MU dental school. Full stop.
They will clear immediately, they're only interested in his $$$$.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2024, 01:34:29 PM
I know this is not a popular concept here, but I think Kolek, Shaka, and Kolek's doctor should confer and make the decisions.
Yeah, I don't think they take Scoop's opinion into consideration.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jables1604 on March 08, 2024, 01:59:52 PM
As some may know, I recently had an intercostal muscle strain (maybe similar to oblique?? But muscle tears in/around the rib cage area). The pain was intense and severe, and initially I thought I had cracked a rib(s).

For several days, the pain was crazy when doing certain things such as coughing and laughing. I was out of commission and my pickleball paddle was collecting cobwebs.

Around 10 days in I felt like I could go again and I think it was around 2 weeks, it was feeling pretty much all better.

So, I feel there is hope for Tyler.

That said, even if he’s doing great and is healthy and say we magically advance to the second weekend, I’ll continue to have nightmares and awful thoughts about him potentially making a move where it happens again and he’s dunzo. Every day will be a mental struggle for me in that regard.

PS - I approve of administering any type of drug or treatment to help him play
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2024, 02:08:27 PM
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…
Give JB a break he is on his way to official geezer
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 08, 2024, 02:11:02 PM
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…

#FTsNoMatta

I shoot NBA+ treys
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2024, 02:18:07 PM
Yeah, I don't think they take Scoop's opinion into consideration.

No surprise. Seems like Shaka ignores the tons of advice offered here to improve as a coach. Sometimes I wonder why we even bother. Some scoopers ' advice comes across as polite suggestions. Then there's Muggy's-authoritative and sternly demanding in tone. Yet Shaka apparently ignores his posts as well. Inexcusable! Unacceptable!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2024, 02:35:22 PM
No surprise. Seems like Shaka ignores the tons of advice offered here to improve as a coach. Sometimes I wonder why we even bother. Some scoopers ' advice comes across as polite suggestions. Then there's Muggy's-authoritative and sternly demanding in tone. Yet Shaka apparently ignores his posts as well.

Well, it was Scoop that got rid of Wojo.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteVol on March 08, 2024, 02:41:28 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2024, 02:51:06 PM
Well, it was Scoop that got rid of Wojo.

Yeah. And if Shaka doesn't get us to at least the Final Four this year, Scoop should probably get rid of him too.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JustinLewisFanClubPres on March 08, 2024, 03:01:57 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!

Nice! We have our own Henry Rowengartner in TyKo!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 08, 2024, 03:06:34 PM
🤣 that oblique and those molars are ready for some NCAA meat 🥩!!!

BBQ chicken
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MurphysTillClose on March 08, 2024, 03:11:07 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!

Oh my God, it's Billy Frick
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 08, 2024, 03:16:15 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!

They did a documentary on this very thing some time ago... some thought medfield college players were medically enhanced as our wayward physician, Dr. MarquetteVol would claim but it really proved to be a substance applied to the shoes.
A prescient piece with Fred McMurray narrating. find more about this doc here:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054594/
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 08, 2024, 03:17:44 PM
Who knew Flubber was real?!?!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 08, 2024, 03:18:28 PM
Rosen-Burger warm up, your going in.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 08, 2024, 03:31:46 PM
RosenMAZOS-Burger warm up, your going in.

Fify—scoopier

 https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 08, 2024, 03:34:08 PM
Traveling to Cinci.  Heard that's a bad sign.  Setback?  Season over?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 08, 2024, 03:34:33 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!

Now THAT is some funky buttlovin
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 03:35:34 PM
Fify—scoopier

 https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)

https://x.com/mazosburger/status/664393187167858688?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 03:40:28 PM
https://x.com/mazosburger/status/789692860903792640?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 08, 2024, 03:45:19 PM
https://x.com/mazosburger/status/670660216208433152?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Viper on March 08, 2024, 03:51:08 PM
🤣 that oblique and those molars are ready for some NCAA meat 🥩!!!
haha! (btw, meant play, not pay)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Viper on March 08, 2024, 03:54:46 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!
in other words, bionic million dollar man, hey. He’s been rebuilt, better than before!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: romey on March 08, 2024, 03:55:42 PM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LiuKELXk7CE&si=5dmUFB_tcHue-1vC (https://youtube.com/watch?v=LiuKELXk7CE&si=5dmUFB_tcHue-1vC)

I saw him in the shootaround
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 08, 2024, 04:02:53 PM
Traveling to Cinci.  Heard that's a bad sign.  Setback?  Season over?

In a casket?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 08, 2024, 04:18:28 PM
Judging by the video of your free throw shooting I’m going out on a ledge and guessing Tyler might be in a little better shape than you…and doesn’t buy his jerseys at Gap Kids…

If you're going to bust his balls at least post a video here of yourself doing the same.   ;D
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 08, 2024, 04:19:45 PM
Guys,

I have to be a bit careful here due to HIPAA laws but I’m one of the staff doctors for the team. The remarkable thing that’s not being reported is following the treatments we administered last week, Tyler now has the ability to throw passes 3x as fast with even greater pinpoint accuracy. It appears the muscle stimulation treatments have also triggered tremendous gains to his shooting distance now making 30-40 foot jumpers feel like layups to Tyler. Frankly it’s incredible.

The only other time I can remember seeing this in my career is when I worked in a pediatric capacity and a young 12-year old boy saw significant performance gains after recovering from a broken arm. I’m pretty sure you all remember Henry Rowengartner, the prodigal pitcher for the Chicago Cubs. What a story.


All this to say, whenever Tyler returns he will be a dominating force like we’ve never seen. As the other board likes to do, I’ll say something like DWade, Novak, Butch Lee and Tony Smith in a blender.

Make your travel plans to Phoenix. We’re going all the way!

FUNKY BUTTLOVING!!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2024, 05:26:36 PM
Fify—scoopier

 https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/mazosburger/status/1237060356578541572?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
Dung
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 08, 2024, 05:28:09 PM
https://x.com/mazosburger/status/664393187167858688?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Dumb dung
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuMark on March 08, 2024, 06:48:04 PM
Pictures from MU showing Tyler traveled with team to. Xavier.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Daniel on March 08, 2024, 07:06:48 PM
Pictures from MU showing Tyler traveled with team to. Xavier.

Good to hear!   So he is somewhat better.   That’s great. Ty
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 08, 2024, 07:13:14 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/C4RjevXRdCW/?igsh=MWJuYmdmM2xlNXF6bw==
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2024, 08:05:00 PM
Need updates from our Scoop doctors.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 08, 2024, 08:05:58 PM
Need updates from our Scoop doctors.

A second amputation coming
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 08, 2024, 08:23:16 PM
Scoop doctors told us it was a good sign he didn’t travel to Creighton and was putting in the final work to get back on the court.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2024, 09:00:45 PM
Scoop doctors told us it was a good sign he didn’t travel to Creighton and was putting in the final work to get back on the court.

Incorrect.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2024, 09:58:06 PM
https://twitter.com/MubbManagers/status/1766302594329129259?t=llTdhonW81cI_IflHaQVBA&s=19

Coach Kolek picked up his 1st career win and the Marquette managers finish the season undefeated.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 09, 2024, 11:03:44 AM
https://twitter.com/MubbManagers/status/1766302594329129259?t=llTdhonW81cI_IflHaQVBA&s=19

Coach Kolek picked up his 1st career win and the Marquette managers finish the season undefeated.
Hang A Damn Banner!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 09, 2024, 04:05:26 PM
was out there shooting pregame just to keep the mojo going
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 09, 2024, 07:39:34 PM
Hang A Damn Banner!!
@ Willie's dung basement?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 11, 2024, 10:23:10 AM
Does anyone have an idea how Tyko is progressing?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 11, 2024, 01:08:49 PM
Does anyone have an idea how Tyko is progressing?

I'm guessing we will hear soon. Still think the beast tourney feels too soon. But would love to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 11, 2024, 01:10:30 PM
I wonder what if they wait to see if DePaul pulls an upset. Otherwise, if he's ready, I feel they would get that in front of the committee as they start meeting.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2024, 01:15:40 PM
I'm guessing we will hear soon. Still think the beast tourney feels too soon. But would love to be proven wrong.

I think he will be phased in, so to speak. He does not need to be playing the entire game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 11, 2024, 01:16:26 PM
I wonder what if they wait to see if DePaul pulls an upset. Otherwise, if he's ready, I feel they would get that in front of the committee as they start meeting.

Uh HUH.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 11, 2024, 01:28:23 PM
I wonder what if they wait to see if DePaul pulls an upset. Otherwise, if he's ready, I feel they would get that in front of the committee as they start meeting.
pretty realistic...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 11, 2024, 01:33:51 PM
He was getting shots up Saturday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DienerTime34 on March 11, 2024, 01:41:06 PM
If you're Shaka Smart, and you're told TKO is 85% healthy for the Big East Tournament, are you playing him?

I'm waiting until he's 100% for what really matters, the week after. I suppose I might feel differently if last year hadn't happened. But we've got the Big East title and conference title with this group. For me, it's all about the NCAAs this year and nothing else matters.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 11, 2024, 01:42:25 PM
If the doctors say there is a low chance of re-injuring it and Tyler wants to go, then, yes, I play him at 85%
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 11, 2024, 01:44:32 PM
If you're Shaka Smart, and you're told TKO is 85% healthy for the Big East Tournament, are you playing him?

I'm waiting until he's 100% for what really matters, the week after. I suppose I might feel differently if last year hadn't happened. But we've got the Big East title and conference title with this group. For me, it's all about the NCAAs this year and nothing else matters.

If the doctors say he can play I would do everything I could to get him some mins this week. If for no other reason than to let him test where he is physically before the higher stakes next week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: romey on March 11, 2024, 01:45:04 PM
If the doctors say there is a low chance of re-injuring it and Tyler wants to go, then, yes, I play him at 85%
Agreed.  You can definitely limit his minutes if needed.  Get him sweating again.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 11, 2024, 01:47:02 PM
I’d venture to guess that 100% isn’t a reality for most guys on the team at this stage in the season.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 11, 2024, 01:47:52 PM
I’d venture to guess that 100% isn’t a reality for most guys on the team at this stage in the season.

I’m pretty sure Jonah is close.  However those sideline celebrations and late game threes start to take a toll.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 01:53:20 PM
I’d venture to guess that 100% isn’t a reality for most guys on the team at this stage in the season.

Yeah, but there's a difference between "my knee's a little sore" or "my back's a little tight" ... and "I'm trying to work back from a pretty significant injury to my core."

Everybody's got bumps and bruises, but only one Marquette player strained an oblique muscle badly enough to have to miss 3 big games already.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2024, 02:18:40 PM
Yeah, but there's a difference between "my knee's a little sore" or "my back's a little tight" ... and "I'm trying to work back from a pretty significant injury to my core."

Everybody's got bumps and bruises, but only one Marquette player strained an oblique muscle badly enough to have to miss 3 big games already.
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will  need  to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction . 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 11, 2024, 02:24:51 PM
His conditioning won't be a problem.  I'm sure it's easily at least 80%; he's only been out a week-and-a-half.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 11, 2024, 02:26:41 PM
Yeah I’m not worried about conditioning.

It’ll be two weeks off by BE tourney. That’s not crazy.

Plus he’s been biking and lifting some.

Conditioning isn’t the worry for me
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 11, 2024, 02:27:17 PM
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will  need  to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .

lol
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 11, 2024, 02:29:39 PM
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will  need  to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .

Please relay back to us how it goes.  I assume you'll be there with him for it?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 11, 2024, 02:33:36 PM
If the doctors say there is a low chance of re-injuring it and Tyler wants to go, then, yes, I play him at 85%

Same.

At the very least get his legs back under him and some continuity back before playing those win or go homes.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 11, 2024, 02:36:59 PM
If the doctors say he can play I would do everything I could to get him some mins this week. If for no other reason than to let him test where he is physically before the higher stakes next week.

I couldn't agree more.  I think waiting until a week from Thurs or Fri would make it really difficult for him from a rust and conditioning standpoint.  As Tower stated, if there's no chance of further exacerbating the injury, let him drop dimes and shred people at 85%. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 11, 2024, 02:40:42 PM
With this kind of injury, can doctors actually guarantee that there's no chance of aggravating it?

If "no chance of making it worse" is the litmus test, the next time we see Kolek back on the court might be this summer at the NBA Combine.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 11, 2024, 02:47:32 PM
With this kind of injury, can doctors actually guarantee that there's no chance of aggravating it?

If "no chance of making it worse" is the litmus test, the next time we see Kolek back on the court might be this summer at the NBA Combine.

No
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 11, 2024, 02:48:36 PM
This thread has been entertaining, bringing out some decent (and indecent) scoop sarcastic humor....but...

Does anyone know anything!??

I saw him shoot before the game. They say he has an Oblique strain.  WebMD type sites say treatment is rest, physical therapy, and ibprofen. and  "If you have a mild strain, you should be fully functional after a few weeks. If you have a serious strain, it could take more than six weeks to heal completely."  And we also know that he's got good sports doctors and he's a tough kid in great health otherwise.

Anything else?

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 11, 2024, 03:15:37 PM
Anything else?

Midterm grades post at noon tomorrow

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 11, 2024, 03:36:01 PM
Midterm grades post at noon tomorrow

"Grades"....hmmm....what are those?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2024, 05:12:29 PM
With this kind of injury, can doctors actually guarantee that there's no chance of aggravating it?

If "no chance of making it worse" is the litmus test, the next time we see Kolek back on the court might be this summer at the NBA Combine.
No but there are some injuries that can be played through and they are just painful or require things like ankle stabilizers or rib cage protectors etc

For example I have seen lots of cases in my kids college career, and that of others,  of torn shoulder labrums where the player took time off for PT to get range of motion , came back and played remainder of season, then had off season surgery.

 I don’t know how this specific muscle group works.

I do know in every injury situation of more than a week there was some element of reconditioning necessary
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 11, 2024, 07:01:36 PM
Will Have to go through Return to Play protocol. My guess is that TyKo will  need  to demonstrate full range of motion, without pain and not worsen the existing injury. If he can pass the protocol 100 Percent, it then becomes a question of conditioning. If his conditioning is less than 100 Percent but something north of 80 then probably a go, even if on a minutes restriction .

Scoop takes are always so hot.

You think a 22ish year old division 1 basketball players conditioning has deteriorated in a couple of weeks?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 11, 2024, 08:08:06 PM
Scoop takes are always so hot.

You think a 22ish year old division 1 basketball players conditioning has deteriorated in a couple of weeks?
Potentially Yes. Depends on what he is allowed to do the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 11, 2024, 08:36:57 PM
Potentially Yes. Depends on what he is allowed to do the last couple of weeks.

I agree with this analysis.  But on the upside, while he may lose some wind/stamina if he's largely been limited to bike riding, his body should feel a lot better overall from a wear/tear standpoint.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 12, 2024, 12:39:32 PM
Scoop takes are always so hot.

You think a 22ish year old division 1 basketball players conditioning has deteriorated in a couple of weeks?
Give him a break he's been dead for over 3.5 yrs
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 12, 2024, 12:41:50 PM
This thread has been entertaining, bringing out some decent (and indecent) scoop sarcastic humor....but...

Does anyone know anything!??

I saw him shoot before the game. They say he has an Oblique strain.  WebMD type sites say treatment is rest, physical therapy, and ibprofen. and  "If you have a mild strain, you should be fully functional after a few weeks. If you have a serious strain, it could take more than six weeks to heal completely."  And we also know that he's got good sports doctors and he's a tough kid in great health otherwise.

Anything else?
To quote Saruman "Scoop knows all!"
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2024, 01:18:55 PM
Let's say Kolek doesn't play in the BET but he's cleared to practice starting Monday and to play in our NCAAT opener on Friday 3/22.

He'd have three full days of practice, an NCAAT opener against a 15 seed, and another full day of practice before facing a more challenging opponent on 3/24.

His conditioning by then would be just fine.

The only concern is getting the oblique healed. If that's deemed OK, and if there are no setbacks, TK will be great and Marquette will be ready to roll.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 12, 2024, 01:37:04 PM
Let's say Kolek doesn't play in the BET but he's cleared to practice starting Monday and to play in our NCAAT opener on Friday 3/22.

He'd have three full days of practice, an NCAAT opener against a 15 seed, and another full day of practice before facing a more challenging opponent on 3/24.

His conditioning by then would be just fine.

The only concern is getting the oblique healed. If that's deemed OK, and if there are no setbacks, TK will be great and Marquette will be ready to roll.

In order to make the two line, we need to make the BET finals or Creighton would need to lose in the quarters.  I think if we lose to Creighton in the semis they get the two and we get the three.  They got why more credit beating us without our two best players than they deserved. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 12, 2024, 01:39:12 PM
Let's say Kolek doesn't play in the BET but he's cleared to practice starting Monday and to play in our NCAAT opener on Friday 3/22.

He'd have three full days of practice, an NCAAT opener against a 15 seed, and another full day of practice before facing a more challenging opponent on 3/24.

His conditioning by then would be just fine.

The only concern is getting the oblique healed. If that's deemed OK, and if there are no setbacks, TK will be great and Marquette will be ready to roll.

I agree with this analysis.  I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared."  End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.

We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important.  Why potentially risk it  (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoFastAndWin on March 12, 2024, 01:51:45 PM
To quote Saruman "Scoop knows all!"

Don’t forget the effects of Impacted Cerumen on Scoop as well.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 12, 2024, 01:55:05 PM
I hope TK can start practicing soon and sees his next live game action in the NCAA.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 12, 2024, 02:05:42 PM
In order to make the two line, we need to make the BET finals or Creighton would need to lose in the quarters.  I think if we lose to Creighton in the semis they get the two and we get the three.  They got why more credit beating us without our two best players than they deserved.


Both can get a 2. As both currently do in most brackets.

Need ISU and Baylor not go nuts. Kansas starting a corpse of a lineup this week won’t help that tho
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 12, 2024, 02:11:39 PM
I agree with this analysis.  I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared."  End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.

We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important.  Why potentially risk it  (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?
I'd like to get Adam Silver's opinion on this take.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2024, 02:15:07 PM
In order to make the two line, we need to make the BET finals or Creighton would need to lose in the quarters.  I think if we lose to Creighton in the semis they get the two and we get the three.

Not sure that's true. I'm no expert on this stuff, though ... and, respectfully, you probably aren't either.

I agree with this analysis.  I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared."  End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.

We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important.  Why potentially risk it  (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?

I lean to this way of thinking, too. Marquette's got bigger fish to fry than the Big East Tournament.

Of course, TK, Shaka and the medical staff aren't asking for our input.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Its DJOver on March 12, 2024, 02:16:28 PM

Both can get a 2. As both currently do in most brackets.

Need ISU and Baylor not go nuts. Kansas starting a corpse of a lineup this week won’t help that tho

CU is the top 3 rn per bracketmatrix but agree that there are scenarios where they both get 2's, and there are scenarios where neither get a 2. 

Glad I haven't seen any of the foolishness about us dropping to a 4 recently.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 12, 2024, 02:29:04 PM
CU is the top 3 rn per bracketmatrix but agree that there are scenarios where they both get 2's, and there are scenarios where neither get a 2. 

Glad I haven't seen any of the foolishness about us dropping to a 4 recently.

I'd be really surprised if we both got 2s unless everyone else in the running bows out early and no dark horse wins their conference tourney. Seems very much that the semi, if we both get there, will ve for a 2 seed. Mainly, I just don't see the BE holding enough cache to get a 1 and two 2s.



Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: THEbig0 on March 12, 2024, 02:40:37 PM
Expect Tyler to play this week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Its DJOver on March 12, 2024, 02:53:29 PM
I'd be really surprised if we both got 2s unless everyone else in the running bows out early and no dark horse wins their conference tourney. Seems very much that the semi, if we both get there, will ve for a 2 seed. Mainly, I just don't see the BE holding enough cache to get a 1 and two 2s.

It would require a near perfect storm yes, but the committee doesn't (or isn't supposed to) look at conference affiliation when filling out the S-curve.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 12, 2024, 02:58:30 PM
Expect Tyler to play this week.

Correct
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 12, 2024, 03:02:49 PM
I have been.   
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: We R Final Four on March 12, 2024, 03:09:48 PM
I agree with this analysis.  I also feel he should be held out of Big East tournament, even if "cleared."  End of the day more rest/restriction time from potentially strenuous twisting/contorting of the body, would seem beneficial for an injury like this.

We won a Big East regular and tourney championship last year - NCAA tournament success much more important.  Why potentially risk it  (error on the side of very conservative) for Big East tourney?
Shaka has said….when TK gets cleared he’s playing. No one is holding him out if cleared to play.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 12, 2024, 03:22:04 PM
Expect Tyler to play this week.

oh?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 12, 2024, 03:37:01 PM
I’d like him to get some minutes. It can take a few games to get the team back in rhythm. Would rather do that in NYC than in the tournament.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 12, 2024, 04:59:52 PM
My intercostal muscle strain is hurting bad again. But I’m hitting the courts tonight. It’s go time, for Tyler and me. #Warriors
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 12, 2024, 05:15:58 PM
I mentioned after Creighton won at Nova last week that I thought MU and Creighton could both end up on the 2 line as 7/8 on the S Curve.

There are two parts at play to keep an eye on here
1- Getting a 2 seed.
2- Getting Indy.

They aren’t mutually exclusive, but imo it’s more important to get Indy than it is to stay on the 2 line.
That said, at this point with Creighton climbing it seems highly unlikely if Marquette falls to a 3 that it still gets Indy.

Unless, as someone mentions, the committee uses judgement and sends Creighton to Memphis because it’s only slightly further away than Indy.
I think it’s automatically computer based though, so I’m not sure I buy this being an option. Maybe Brew can weigh in here.

So, the way I ultimately see it is that the BET has now established some additional value than it had for me a month ago.
At the very least I want Marquette to end up ahead of Creighton on the S Curve to get Indy- so that means beating Nova and Creighton losing to Providence or beating Creighton.
That would then put Marquette into the Finals, and at that point midas whale defend our crown.

As a side note- I would wager that one of Baylor, Iowa St, Duke, Kentucky wins the B12/ACC/SEC and jumps ahead of Marquette if MU doesn’t win the BET (no guarantee, but I’d say it’s relatively decent probability).
So, I’ve got Marquette as 8 on the S Curve at best if it doesn’t win the BET.
So again, get Indy.

The reason I value Indy so much is because I think it’ll be 2 pseudo home game type of feels for the team, and I think that’s very valuable in this format to take the edge off and give some extra motivation if times get tough.
I think it’s very important and would be a massive bump if we don’t draw MSU again, since Kentucky is out of play in Rd2 now that they’ve risen on the curve. None of the other teams on the 6/7/10/11 lines would seem to put us at a disadvantage outside of maybe Madison.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 12, 2024, 06:00:23 PM
I mentioned after Creighton won at Nova last week that I thought MU and Creighton could both end up on the 2 line as 7/8 on the S Curve.

There are two parts at play to keep an eye on here
1- Getting a 2 seed.
2- Getting Indy.

Common sense says:
Creighton -> Memphis
Marquette -> Indy
Kansas -> get no preferred location
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 12, 2024, 06:07:11 PM
Common sense says:
Creighton -> Memphis
Marquette -> Indy
Kansas -> get no preferred location

Sure, but I don’t think it’s up to common sense, but I may be wrong. I think a computer software places teams at their closest site, so if Creighton 8 and MU 9 on the curve, then CU heads to Indy.
Now, they can use judgement and flip the two to benefit proximity for Marquette, but seems extremely doubtful if it affects seed line, and still likely doubtful even if it doesn’t imo.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 12, 2024, 06:15:24 PM
Omaha to Memphis: 9 hr 51 min

Omaha to Indy: 8 hr 52 min
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 12, 2024, 06:21:43 PM
I'm not sure Indianaopolis would be the home court advantage some think it would be. That seems like a recipe for a Michigan St or Kentucky to have a de facto home game where they likely cheer against Marquette
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2024, 06:25:45 PM
Expect Tyler to play this week.

Me too! 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 12, 2024, 06:34:33 PM
I'm not sure Indianaopolis would be the home court advantage some think it would be. That seems like a recipe for a Michigan St or Kentucky to have a de facto home game where they likely cheer against Marquette

You think they would care enough if they didn’t have Marquette as a possible direct opponent?

I’d say no. Kentucky won’t matter they are a 3/4 so won’t be facing Marquette (Thank God)

Hopefully the committee doesn’t do the MSU thing again, that would be brutal and would piss me off.

I think there is a high probability Marquette has a HEAVY showing at the game and outside of MSU would have a nice home court advantage for games 1&2 in Indy, so we disagree on this one.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 12, 2024, 06:41:43 PM
You think they would care enough if they didn’t have Marquette as a possible direct opponent?

I’d say no. Kentucky won’t matter they are a 3/4 so won’t be facing Marquette (Thank God)

Hopefully the committee doesn’t do the MSU thing again, that would be brutal and would piss me off.

I think there is a high probability Marquette has a HEAVY showing at the game and outside of MSU would have a nice home court advantage for games 1&2 in Indy, so we disagree on this one.

I’d be curious what kind of travel there is for this Spartans team.  Also, I bet they end up on the 8-9 line.  Their metrics are great for such a mediocre record
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 12, 2024, 06:46:37 PM
You think they would care enough if they didn’t have Marquette as a possible direct opponent?

I’d say no. Kentucky won’t matter they are a 3/4 so won’t be facing Marquette (Thank God)

Hopefully the committee doesn’t do the MSU thing again, that would be brutal and would piss me off.

I think there is a high probability Marquette has a HEAVY showing at the game and outside of MSU would have a nice home court advantage for games 1&2 in Indy, so we disagree on this one.

Big state schools will always take up a majority of arenas. And fans will always cheer for an upset in a tight game if they have no other rooting interest.

Indy will likely have less of an advantage for MU than Omaha would.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 12, 2024, 06:52:12 PM
Big state schools will always take up a majority of arenas. And fans will always cheer for an upset in a tight game if they have no other rooting interest.

Indy will likely have less of an advantage for MU than Omaha would.

Nebraska could be a 10, so...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 12, 2024, 06:55:12 PM
My intercostal muscle strain is hurting bad again. But I’m hitting the courts tonight. It’s go time, for Tyler and me. #Warriors
Trulys for pain killers after?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 12, 2024, 07:06:23 PM
I had a vasectomy on Thursday and I can barely walk. I’m sure this is worse than an oblique.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2024, 07:41:56 PM
Expect Tyler to play this week.

0 really? Tell us more.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: oilcan on March 12, 2024, 07:45:58 PM
Marquette will play in the Big East Tournament. Obviously. They will face two outstanding teams. If they play in the championship I believe Tyler will play some minutes and that will be determined by the score and the situation. The team is playing well. He wants to play but Smart will decide if it will be beneficial and advantageous to push him or rest him another week.

In the 64 tournament Marquette isn’t playing in Milwaukee. It doesn’t matter where they play. I don’t believe any of these top ten schools will be playing in home town courts so what does it matter? Marquette is ready and will play well anywhere they step on the court. They’re ready to go. It won’t matter where or when. Are they playing in the Midwest, or the south or the west? Don’t brother my brain. The team is ready to win no matter where they go. Rest your mind.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2024, 07:53:59 PM
Marquette will play in the Big East Tournament. Obviously. They will face two outstanding teams. If they play in the championship I believe Tyler will play some minutes and that will be determined by the score and the situation. The team is playing well. He wants to play but Smart will decide if it will be beneficial and advantageous to push him or rest him another week.

In the 64 tournament Marquette isn’t playing in Milwaukee. It doesn’t matter where they play. I don’t believe any of these top ten schools will be playing in home town courts so what does it matter? Marquette is ready and will play well anywhere they step on the court. They’re ready to go. It won’t matter where or when. Are they playing in the Midwest, or the south or the west? Don’t brother my brain. The team is ready to win no matter where they go. Rest your mind.

Love it Oilcan!  You the man!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 12, 2024, 08:03:42 PM
Congratulations to Tyler for being named a Sporting News second team all American.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2024, 08:04:45 PM
Congratulations to Tyler for being named a Sporting News second team all American.

Saw that and that’s great.  When does the real one come out?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 12, 2024, 08:31:41 PM
oilcan

It’s go time. I love how you think and appreciate your posts. I hope you enjoy every minute of a a deep run and keep us up to speed on your thoughts. Hopefully,  you will enjoy the games over a few cold ones with your buddy Barry.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Fullodds on March 12, 2024, 09:13:28 PM
I had a vasectomy on Thursday and I can barely walk. I’m sure this is worse than an oblique.

The most painful part of that for me was when they removed the tape from my chest.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: oilcan on March 12, 2024, 09:35:36 PM
If I play a regular season game and get hurt I sit out and get healthy. And then I come back. That’s understandable and reasonable. You can’t blame me. And I believe in the next man up.

Tyler Kolek is not going to say, “Well, that was a crazy injury. I didn’t even get hit by anyone. I just twisted myself throwing a pass. So I don’t know, maybe I’m done.”

When the cards are dealt and you don’t have the hand you need to win you walk away. Until the next time. Tyler doesn’t care about next year. He has to have it this year, he has to have it now.

Tyler is not me. Or you. He’ll shake you out of your jock strap. You’ll see.

Hey, don’t ask him to get a vasectomy. I stopped watched weirdo shows a long time ago.
I’m tired. I hope to we get to hear everything you guys have to talk about this Thursday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 12, 2024, 09:53:39 PM
Marquette will play in the Big East Tournament. Obviously. They will face two outstanding teams. If they play in the championship I believe Tyler will play some minutes and that will be determined by the score and the situation. The team is playing well. He wants to play but Smart will decide if it will be beneficial and advantageous to push him or rest him another week.

In the 64 tournament Marquette isn’t playing in Milwaukee. It doesn’t matter where they play. I don’t believe any of these top ten schools will be playing in home town courts so what does it matter? Marquette is ready and will play well anywhere they step on the court. They’re ready to go. It won’t matter where or when. Are they playing in the Midwest, or the south or the west? Don’t brother my brain. The team is ready to win no matter where they go. Rest your mind.


I don’t believe he will be waiting til the championship
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 12, 2024, 10:34:12 PM
I had a vasectomy on Thursday and I can barely walk. I’m sure this is worse than an oblique.

Give us an update in 30 days. 😉
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Daniel on March 12, 2024, 10:47:54 PM
If Ty.ervis ready to go for the BET, we will see him play limited minutes just to get him back in rhythm.   But not expecting a lot of minutes.    We will see.  Hope he is 100% and ready to rock and roll.  Go Marquette!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 12, 2024, 11:23:14 PM
Give us an update in 30 days. 😉
If he needs 30 days, he probably GOWNE
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 09:36:48 AM
TK not playing Thursday according to Goodman.

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1767921193074545027?s=20
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2024, 09:39:55 AM
TK not playing Thursday according to Goodman.

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1767921193074545027?s=20

He’s never playing for the Golden Eagles again
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 13, 2024, 09:43:03 AM
He’s never playing for the Golden Eagles again

Rico,  you’ve said this definitively a couple times.  Can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not.  Inside information?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 09:44:02 AM
He’s never playing for the Golden Eagles again

YOU'RE never playing for the Golden Eagles again.

Zing!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 13, 2024, 09:47:56 AM
TK not playing Thursday according to Goodman.

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1767921193074545027?s=20

So, if true, we are down to at most 2 additional potential games/dates for Tyler to play before NCAA - Friday and Saturday.  Just not sure I feel its worth it to essentially accelerate his return by a full week if he still isn't cleared for Thursday?

My concern is on the defensive end - I just see teams wanting to run him through a lot of ball screens.  The pounding I see Stevie Mitchell take getting around/through ball screens seems to entail a lot of direct shots to the ribs/oblique area, is almost alarming at times.

That being said I have zero expertise on these matters, just opining more from a seemingly common sense perspective.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 09:49:57 AM
So, if true, we are down to at most 2 additional potential games/dates for Tyler to play before NCAA - Friday and Saturday.  Just not sure I feel its worth it to essentially accelerate his return by a full week if he still isn't cleared for Thursday?

My concern is on the defensive end - I just see teams wanting to run him through a lot of ball screens.  The pounding I see Stevie Mitchell take getting around/through ball screens seems to entail a lot of direct shots to the ribs/oblique area.

That being said I have zero expertise on these matters, just opining more from a seemingly common sense perspective.

Lotsa common sense in there, sir.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 13, 2024, 09:50:22 AM
Well, hopefully we either win a couple games without him, or the committee just takes MU at their word that he'll return with nothing suggesting he actually will.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 09:53:27 AM
If he's not ready for tomorrow, he shouldn't play in the BET - and my guess is that he won't.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 13, 2024, 09:53:40 AM
Might as well sit have Kolek sit out the whole BET.  Get right for the NCAAs. 

Not expecting the committee to do us any favors seeding wise. Either get to the BET final without Kolek to earn a 2 seed or expect a 3 seed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 09:55:41 AM
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2024, 09:56:33 AM
March Malaise
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 09:56:47 AM
Might as well sit have Kolek sit out the whole BET.  Get right for the NCAAs. 

Not expecting the committee to do us any favors seeding wise. Either get to the BET final without Kolek to earn a 2 seed or expect a 3 seed.

He ain’t gonna be “right” because of an extra week of not playing in a real game, imo

#pray
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Thing on March 13, 2024, 09:56:57 AM
If we bow out against Nova with no word on Kolek would they drop us to a 4? Is it even a possibility? I would not want to see that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Its DJOver on March 13, 2024, 09:57:34 AM
If we bow out against Nova with no word on Kolek would they drop us to a 4? Is it even a possibility? I would not want to see that.

0% chance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 13, 2024, 09:59:54 AM
So, if true, we are down to at most 2 additional potential games/dates for Tyler to play before NCAA - Friday and Saturday.  Just not sure I feel its worth it to essentially accelerate his return by a full week if he still isn't cleared for Thursday?

My concern is on the defensive end - I just see teams wanting to run him through a lot of ball screens.  The pounding I see Stevie Mitchell take getting around/through ball screens seems to entail a lot of direct shots to the ribs/oblique area, is almost alarming at times.

That being said I have zero expertise on these matters, just opining more from a seemingly common sense perspective.

Agreed, especially if there is any lingering pain or a pulling sensation.  Not worth it. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 10:00:44 AM
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.

Yessir. To me, it's not worth subjecting Kolek to the violence of the Big East Tournament just to be 7th or 8th on the S-curve vs 10th or 11th.

Even if he was close to 100%, I'd be concerned about him playing in the BET. But it's pretty clear that he isn't, so there's absolutely no reason to risk it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 10:01:23 AM
Hello, Omaha!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 13, 2024, 10:10:36 AM
Hello, Omaha!

At least we will be familiar with the shooting background!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 13, 2024, 10:11:44 AM
Hello, Omaha!

Or Pittsburgh, if Baylor and Iowa State are both ahead of us.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 13, 2024, 10:12:19 AM
Yessir. To me, it's not worth subjecting Kolek to the violence of the Big East Tournament just to be 7th or 8th on the S-curve vs 10th or 11th.

Even if he was close to 100%, I'd be concerned about him playing in the BET. But it's pretty clear that he isn't, so there's absolutely no reason to risk it.

Kolek coming back and having a bad game in a losing effort would do more harm than good for our seed. It’s best just not to show the committee where he’s at and announce he’s cleared (assuming he is or will be by next week) once we are done competing in the BET. We’ve already proven what we are with him.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 10:21:36 AM
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.

It can make a difference in the 1st rd. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2024, 10:23:27 AM
Rico,  you’ve said this definitively a couple times.  Can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not.  Inside information?

No inside information.  All hunch
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 10:23:43 AM
Or Pittsburgh, if Baylor and Iowa State are both ahead of us.

They would play in the b12 semis, yes? Ugh, I’m gonna have to pay attention to some of these Conf tourneys
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 13, 2024, 10:24:48 AM
2 or 3 seed makes little difference IMO.

The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 10:25:22 AM
No inside information.  All hunch

Can’t imagine Tyler would be ok not trying for at least 14 seconds (no porcini) in they tourney, and the staff would say “fine, you’ve earned that”

May be ugly, but I envision him on the court at some point this month
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 10:26:54 AM
Kolek coming back and having a bad game in a losing effort would do more harm than good for our seed. It’s best just not to show the committee where he’s at and announce he’s cleared (assuming he is or will be by next week) once we are done competing in the BET. We’ve already proven what we are with him.

This is an angle I hadn't thought about but you may have a point.  My general take is him not playing at all in the BET is a bit of a concern.  If he could go 20 mins or so I think he puts himself in a better position to succeed in the NCAA tournament.

Now, maybe our 1st game will allow him to ease into playing full throttle a week from Sat/Sun but that's a major risk.  We desperately need the young man CR, and the idea of him not playing a game in like a month worries me a bit. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 10:27:54 AM
The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.

Ya, saying it makes little difference wasn't well thought out by Fluffy.  It absolutely can make a difference. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 10:31:52 AM
The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.

Ya, saying it makes little difference wasn't well thought out by Fluffy.  It absolutely can make a difference. 

Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.

Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 13, 2024, 10:32:35 AM
If Kolek is still injured and its not a precautionary reason to not be playing tomorrow than I would be shocked if he played the following week in the NCAA tournament. 1 week isn't going to improve you that significant.

Also if he doesn't play against Nova and Marquette wins I doubt he plays the next day being 1 day of extra rest.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2024, 10:33:49 AM
The quality of opponent on the 14 line is a lot better than the 15 IMO.

#3 Marquette vs. #14 Davidson in 2013. #COLE
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 13, 2024, 10:34:14 AM

BILL
@Whitesoxbill
Breaking: Tyler kolek isn’t expected to play in the BET semi-finals either if they advance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 10:37:58 AM
BILL
@Whitesoxbill
Breaking: Tyler kolek isn’t expected to play in the BET semi-finals either if they advance.

Who is this guy?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 13, 2024, 10:38:35 AM
Who is this guy?

White Sox Bill- Uncle Rico's burner account.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2024, 10:43:39 AM
White Sox Bill- Uncle Rico's burner account.

I categorically deny this accusation
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 10:46:35 AM
Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.

Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.

That's honestly a non sequitur Fluffy.  We're talking about basic facts here and why there actually is a difference between a #2 or #3 seed. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mu_eyeballs on March 13, 2024, 10:46:54 AM
Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.

Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.

This!  We have played the 11th, 3rd and 63rd net teams without TK...VERY well and likely would have won 2 of 3 with a team not fighting a virus.  14 seed teams are likely going to be 100ish(plus or minus 5) in the NET.  I have very minor concerns about THIS team winning a neutral sight game against a 100ish net team with or without TK.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 10:49:00 AM
That's honestly a non sequitur Fluffy.  We're talking about basic facts here and why there actually is a difference between a #2 or #3 seed. 

I never said there wasn't an actual difference. Just not one to be concerned about.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Thing on March 13, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
The biggest issue for me is the rust Kolek will need to shake off. I was really hoping for this to happen in a relatively meaningless BE tourney game. I could easily see the Kolek we saw vs Mich St last year (with the thumb injury) in his first game back and if that is the case I would not at all be surprised if MU has a quick stay in the NCAA Tourney. I know this is doom and gloom but in my mind it is terrible news that he looks like he is not playing at all in the BE Tourney. My expectations for this team just dropped significantly.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 13, 2024, 10:52:28 AM
This is an angle I hadn't thought about but you may have a point.  My general take is him not playing at all in the BET is a bit of a concern.  If he could go 20 mins or so I think he puts himself in a better position to succeed in the NCAA tournament.

Now, maybe our 1st game will allow him to ease into playing full throttle a week from Sat/Sun but that's a major risk.  We desperately need the young man CR, and the idea of him not playing a game in like a month worries me a bit.

Yes, definitely a tough situation.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2024, 10:57:02 AM
#uckfayed, aina?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 13, 2024, 10:57:44 AM
Well, I'm not worried. Teams with national championship aspirations shouldn't be worried about their first round opponent. If they lose, they likely weren't going to win it all anyway.

Sorry you two are worried about it. Just adds to your lists I guess.

the Marquette Worrier malady affects include intensified pants-pissing the week before the tourney...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2024, 10:59:38 AM
the Marquette Worrier malady affects include intensified pants-pissing the week before the tourney...

Like reading you in the game thread
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2024, 11:01:06 AM
#uckfayed, aina?

Oddly feel more confident of their chances now
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2024, 11:05:00 AM
Who is this guy?

He's a scoop contributor, goes by the handle of Uncle Rico
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2024, 11:05:16 AM
White Sox Bill- Uncle Rico's burner account.

Oh no way, you knew too?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 13, 2024, 11:06:45 AM
Who is this guy?

Seems like it might be a Dodds board poster, as that's what's being reported there.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 11:08:23 AM
Oddly feel more confident of their chances now

Exactly.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2024, 11:15:11 AM
Conference tournaments no matta unless you need it to get into the NCAAs.

Extra week of rest is a no brainer.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2024, 11:16:42 AM
Oddly feel more confident of their chances now

Next man up, aina?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 13, 2024, 11:17:24 AM
The biggest issue for me is the rust Kolek will need to shake off. I was really hoping for this to happen in a relatively meaningless BE tourney game. I could easily see the Kolek we saw vs Mich St last year (with the thumb injury) in his first game back and if that is the case I would not at all be surprised if MU has a quick stay in the NCAA Tourney. I know this is doom and gloom but in my mind it is terrible news that he looks like he is not playing at all in the BE Tourney. My expectations for this team just dropped significantly.

There is no shortage of cliches' available, and I think this one fits:

"Worrying is like paying interest on a debt that you may never incur."
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2024, 11:32:13 AM
Shaknada will figure this out.  House Money at this point.  Need the bench to step up consistently. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 13, 2024, 11:33:28 AM
Zero to really gain by playing Kolek tomorrow. If MU loses to Nova, so be it.

If they beat Nova and want to dress Kolek against Creighton, fine (even if he only goes through warmups).
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2024, 11:34:06 AM
That's honestly a non sequitur Fluffy.  We're talking about basic facts here and why there actually is a difference between a #2 or #3 seed.

Theres a difference but its negligible. Its not like the difference between a 1/2 seed or 3/4 seed. 14 seeds arent that much better than 15 seeds. 6 seeds aren't that much better than 7 seeds. And in the sweet 16, youre in the 2/3 game whether youre a 2 or a 3 seed. The important part is avoiding the 1 seed until the elite 8.

Plus, this may be an odd year where the seven seeds may actually be better than the 6 seeds. I'm seeing a lot of brackets where teams like Nevada, Utah St, Washington St, and South Carolina are on the 6 seed line. Id love to draw any of those in the second round
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 94Warrior on March 13, 2024, 11:34:29 AM
Kolek ruled out for game 1 of BET.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2024, 11:35:30 AM
Kolek ruled out for game 1 of BET.

Man has landed on the moon.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2024, 11:36:47 AM
Theres a difference but its negligible. Its not like the difference between a 1/2 seed or 3/4 seed. 14 seeds arent that much better than 15 seeds. 6 seeds aren't that much better than 7 seeds. And in the sweet 16, youre in the 2/3 game whether youre a 2 or a 3 seed. The important part is avoiding the 1 seed until the elite 8.

Plus, this may be an odd year where the seven seeds may actually be better than the 6 seeds. I'm seeing a lot of brackets where teams like Nevada, Utah St, Washington St, and South Carolina are on the 6 seed line. Id love to draw any of those in the second round

Agreed.  Matchups, which are out of our hands either way, is a bigger deal than the difference between a 6 and 7 seed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUpugnacity on March 13, 2024, 11:48:38 AM
Theres a difference but its negligible. Its not like the difference between a 1/2 seed or 3/4 seed. 14 seeds arent that much better than 15 seeds. 6 seeds aren't that much better than 7 seeds. And in the sweet 16, youre in the 2/3 game whether youre a 2 or a 3 seed. The important part is avoiding the 1 seed until the elite 8.

Plus, this may be an odd year where the seven seeds may actually be better than the 6 seeds. I'm seeing a lot of brackets where teams like Nevada, Utah St, Washington St, and South Carolina are on the 6 seed line. Id love to draw any of those in the second round

A 3 seed is probably sending us to Omaha and a 2 seed to Indy. Indy would give TK an extra day off. The difference between 22 and 23 days off for TK probably won’t matter but it’s something.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 13, 2024, 11:51:38 AM
The 3 seed gives you the chance to play an 11 seed in the event of an upset.

I'd prefer a 2 seed, but looking at the positives of a 3. I also think Omaha wouldn't be bad. Indy worries me a bit if we get a Big Ten team second round. Also, it's a road trip we are familiar with.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mubb3434 on March 13, 2024, 12:15:48 PM
If Kolek is still injured and its not a precautionary reason to not be playing tomorrow than I would be shocked if he played the following week in the NCAA tournament. 1 week isn't going to improve you that significant.

Also if he doesn't play against Nova and Marquette wins I doubt he plays the next day being 1 day of extra rest.

It’s all about risk. Not playing  potential 3 games mitigates him re-aggravating the injury. Smart move by the staff.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2024, 12:17:19 PM
Would the Creighton crowd in Omaha cheer for Marquette?  Personally, I cheer for other Big East teams in the NCAA tournament.  Based on Twitter experiences I get the sense most Big East fans cheer for their fellow conference members with the exception of Providence fans.  Providence fans just want to watch everything burn.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jables1604 on March 13, 2024, 12:18:46 PM
Can’t imagine Tyler would be ok not trying for at least 14 seconds (no porcini) in they tourney, and the staff would say “fine, you’ve earned that”

May be ugly, but I envision him on the court at some point this month
The tourney*
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillWarriors on March 13, 2024, 12:27:08 PM
Kolek ruled out for game 1 of BET.

On a more positive note, MU basketball's Instagram post from practice has a picture of him shooting from distance. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2024, 12:27:21 PM
Don't see any photoshop edits like a Kate Middleton photo.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIkOhHjWgAI87ou?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 13, 2024, 12:27:24 PM
TK in his practice uni at the team practice launching 3s today.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 13, 2024, 12:27:54 PM
3 of us post that at exact same time ha
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillWarriors on March 13, 2024, 12:29:12 PM
3 of us post that at exact same time ha


Not that we're maniacal about this stuff or anything.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 13, 2024, 12:29:55 PM
Oh I'm 100% convinced he will play for Marquette again this year. That picture just means his rehab is continuing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2024, 12:34:13 PM
Oh I'm 100% convinced he will play for Marquette again this year. That picture just means his rehab is continuing.

Just waiting mid-term grades to clear
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 13, 2024, 12:37:29 PM
There's already rumors that Kate Middleton photoshopped it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wisblue on March 13, 2024, 12:39:50 PM
Rico,  you’ve said this definitively a couple times.  Can’t tell if it’s sarcasm or not.  Inside information?

Rico is NEVER sarcastic.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 13, 2024, 12:43:23 PM
Just waiting mid-term grades to clear

If only he knew what they said. Need to go back to the check mark, plus or minus system.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2024, 01:37:06 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1767977968737898730?s=20

@AdamZagoria
Shaka Smart said Tyler Kolek participated in part of practice today and won’t play Thursday.

Called him questionable for the rest of the Big East Tournament but will play in the NCAA tournament

‘It is not easy for him not to play,’ Shaka said
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: YaBlueIt on March 13, 2024, 01:46:46 PM
Shaka said “If today was the national championship game, he would be playing”

https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1767984080342155647?s=46
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 13, 2024, 01:53:09 PM
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 13, 2024, 01:54:43 PM
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.

This is the way.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 13, 2024, 01:57:49 PM
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.

You start him 1st game and the moment the route is on pull him.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 13, 2024, 02:26:43 PM
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.

Yep, that was my preferred plan all along.

He gets the start next Thurs or Fri and hopefully only has to log 20ish minutes in a rout.
If effective and needed he plays more.

We should know fairly quickly into that first game if he will be himself or not and have an idea of how far the team can go, assuming they are playing up to their capabilities.

However, I can still see him suiting up Friday and/or Saturday, especially in some limited or minutes capped fashion. I just don’t know that I want to see it, but if it helps Marquette win I guess I’m still for it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 13, 2024, 02:28:42 PM
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.
If he’s not “ready to roll” by round 1 he isn’t going to be in a potential game 2 days later
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 02:31:44 PM
He's a scoop contributor, goes by the handle of Uncle Rico

#Misgendered
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 13, 2024, 02:42:48 PM
If he’s not “ready to roll” by round 1 he isn’t going to be in a potential game 2 days later

I think it's more along the lines of if he reinjures it on thursday/friday against a bad team we wasted a huge opportunity. If he reinjures it on Saturday/sunday at least he sacrificed to get us to the sweet 16.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 02:44:17 PM
Glad the team is taking the cautious route on this. I'd like to see a limited-minute tune up against the 14/15 seed and be ready to roll from there.

This is the only decision that makes sense ... and Shaka is a sensible coach.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 02:47:37 PM
100% will give it a go at the ncaa tourney
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 13, 2024, 03:34:04 PM
TK in his practice uni at the team practice launching 3s today.

Uhh......BAM?  How's he looking?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 13, 2024, 03:37:53 PM
Picture.   Several posts up.   On this page.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 13, 2024, 03:57:23 PM
‘It is not easy for him not to play,’ Shaka said[/i]

TyKo's a warrior. You just know that he wants to go, but they're doing the right thing. Rest and heal. Be ready to go next week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: lawdog77 on March 13, 2024, 04:10:20 PM
There's already rumors that Kate Middleton photoshopped it.
Yes, the ball is on a string and that is as high as Tyko can jump
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tha Hound on March 13, 2024, 04:17:32 PM
Many chicken littles on this board. Sad!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 13, 2024, 05:13:27 PM
My guess is that holding Tyler out tomorrow is less about "he can't play" and more about "we don't want him coming back  from an injury by playing 3 games in 3 days and it would look terrible if we played him tomorrow and then didn't play him the following day".

If I had to guess, he will play in the BET Championship if we make it there.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2024, 05:19:52 PM
If Marquette reaches the title game, it will be 3 highly competitive contests in 48 hours. Having somebody coming off an oblique strain play that schedule would have been foolish.

TAMU, I would be fine with TK not playing in the Big East championship game, either.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 13, 2024, 05:20:55 PM
My guess is that holding Tyler out tomorrow is less about "he can't play" and more about "we don't want him coming back  from an injury by playing 3 games in 3 days and it would look terrible if we played him tomorrow and then didn't play him the following day".

If I had to guess, he will play in the BET Championship if we make it there.

Interesting. I have been thinking Shaka is willing to effectively write off the chance for another BET championship rather than risk a reinjury, but this has me thinking "maybe not". I'd rather Kolek does not play in the BET.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 13, 2024, 06:27:17 PM
This is a simple risk-reward analysis.  If he plays, and MU wins the BET, then a #2 seed.  If he sits, and they get bumped, MU gets a #3 seed.  The risk associated with TKO playing (i.e., reinjury) is so much greater than the reward of him playing, that it would be foolish for him to play.

Conversely, if they were a bubble team and it was all of the line, it would be different.  Give him a full three weeks rest and make a run at the FF.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 13, 2024, 08:59:21 PM
This is a simple risk-reward analysis.  If he plays, and MU wins the BET, then a #2 seed.  If he sits, and they get bumped, MU gets a #3 seed.  The risk associated with TKO playing (i.e., reinjury) is so much greater than the reward of him playing, that it would be foolish for him to play.

Conversely, if they were a bubble team and it was all of the line, it would be different.  Give him a full three weeks rest and make a run at the FF.

#FakeNews #Lies
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 13, 2024, 11:22:05 PM
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 13, 2024, 11:28:38 PM
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 13, 2024, 11:33:58 PM
The biggest issue for me is the rust Kolek will need to shake off. I was really hoping for this to happen in a relatively meaningless BE tourney game. I could easily see the Kolek we saw vs Mich St last year (with the thumb injury) in his first game back and if that is the case I would not at all be surprised if MU has a quick stay in the NCAA Tourney. I know this is doom and gloom but in my mind it is terrible news that he looks like he is not playing at all in the BE Tourney. My expectations for this team just dropped significantly.

Award to the top pants pisser....
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Lens on March 14, 2024, 12:11:08 AM
Tyler sitting until the BET finals is gross. 

Either play on Friday or don't play at all.

I'm Team Don't Play At All.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2024, 12:51:19 AM
Tyler sitting until the BET finals is gross. 

Either play on Friday or don't play at all.

I'm Team Don't Play At All.

#COLE
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 14, 2024, 03:52:05 AM
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.



Pure dung, aina?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 14, 2024, 05:51:42 AM
Just got a PM from Shaka, wants me to let you all know that coach & medical staff are looking through this thread, taking notes. Will have a decision by tomorrow AM and will PM it to me so I can let Scoop know. Hopefully it isn't too early as I fully expect to be very hungover.

you and reeeko joined at the ass??
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 14, 2024, 05:57:20 AM
I remember when a poster here had the tag ...'he who laughs, lasts'  They are mocking the mockable.       They are laughing and having fun.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2024, 08:18:34 AM
Yesterday's most important Kolek-related quotes from Shaka's media session at MSG (via Ben Steele's article in today's MJS):

"The plan is absolutely for him to play next week (in the NCAA Tournament). He's really made good progress."

"He wants to be out there with his teammates. I'm sure when we get out there in the Garden, that will multiply by 10. But he's also a mature young man and understands the things that matter."

"It's important for him to get healthy. That's the most important thing. To get back to full health. It's a unique injury. So it's not really one that any of us have a ton of experience with. So there's a little bit of cautiousness there, because of what our ultimate goal is."

"He's close. He practiced for part of our session today. He's been working out. Continuing to get treatment. I would say if you had to put a label on the rest of the Big East tournament, it's probably questionable."

"If today was the national championship game, he would be playing. The Big East tournament is obviously a big deal and we want to win, but we also have to make sure we get back on that airplane from New York to Milwaukee feeling better about coming out here in terms of his health."

+++

Given the feeling of dread in the immediate aftermath of the injury, this is fantastic stuff for Marquette, its fans, and of course Kolek.

It's great to hear that TK and Shaka understand what really matters this season ... and it ain't the Big East Tournament. There is only one "ultimate goal," and it's still there for the taking - as long as TK, Oso and Kam are healthy.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 14, 2024, 08:20:22 AM
as long as TK, Oso and Kam are healthy.

And Stevie based on our performance when he was injured.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 14, 2024, 08:22:37 AM
Pure dung, aina?

Your ability to respond to posts is pure dung.

Type your response outside of the quote tags.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: We R Final Four on March 14, 2024, 08:45:54 AM
Listening to 102.9 right now—-dont ask me why…….
Sports guy says……Good news Marquette fans! TK wont play tonight v. Nova…..but he will play the next two games if MU advances.
Haven’t heard that and not buying it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 14, 2024, 08:52:46 AM
nm
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BrewCity83 on March 14, 2024, 09:32:07 AM
Listening to 102.9 right now—-dont ask me why…….
Sports guy says……Good news Marquette fans! TK wont play tonight v. Nova…..but he will play the next two games if MU advances.
Haven’t heard that and not buying it.

Bob and Brian?  Probably not our town's most credible sports news source.    ;D
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: We R Final Four on March 14, 2024, 11:32:48 AM
Bob and Brian?  Probably not our town's most credible sports news source.    ;D
Agreed…wondering where he got that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 14, 2024, 01:27:02 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/without-tyler-kolek-no-10-marquette-vies-to-stave-off-villanova/
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: THEbig0 on March 14, 2024, 07:32:40 PM
My guess is that holding Tyler out tomorrow is less about "he can't play" and more about "we don't want him coming back  from an injury by playing 3 games in 3 days and it would look terrible if we played him tomorrow and then didn't play him the following day".

If I had to guess, he will play in the BET Championship if we make it there.


This is exactly it, Tyler already effectively “playing” in practice. Just on a pitch count until it really matters/worth the risk of potential reinjury and jeopardizing ncaa.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 14, 2024, 11:28:47 PM
Sit him tomorrow? And if UNC, UT and AZ all go down play him in Final against UCONN  for a shor at a 1?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 14, 2024, 11:29:09 PM
I think he sits tomorrow. A potential finals would be more of a question in my mind.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 14, 2024, 11:31:21 PM
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all. The upside value is really small.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 14, 2024, 11:33:09 PM
Agree 1000%, Sultan. Little if anything to gain. Let him skip a game against those hacks, get him ready for the Big Dance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 14, 2024, 11:33:51 PM
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all.

True, Sultan. Especially against the Friars.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: jesmu84 on March 14, 2024, 11:34:41 PM
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all. The upside value is really small.

How are they calling them?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 14, 2024, 11:35:16 PM
How are they calling them?

Perfectly, I assume
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 14, 2024, 11:35:16 PM
How are they calling them?

It’s physical.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 14, 2024, 11:36:27 PM
With how they are calling these games I wouldn’t play him at all. The upside value is really small.

Agreed. With Duke and Creighton losing, I think we are locked into a 2 seed.

The only thing would be shaking some rust off, but it's not like he's sitting on a recliner all day. I bet he's pretty active in practice.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 14, 2024, 11:36:58 PM
How are they calling them?

Like this

https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 14, 2024, 11:37:23 PM
If he’s healthy enough and they want to win the BET, play him. Everyone has nagging things this time of year. Stevie’s wrist. Kam’s everything.

If the risk of re-injury is there, especially on contact, then let him sit.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillWarriors on March 14, 2024, 11:38:34 PM
How are they calling them?

Nova got sick of Stevie getting boards and started cheap shotting him to discourage him a bit. Didn’t get called much.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 14, 2024, 11:38:54 PM
Agreed. With Duke and Creighton losing, I think we are locked into a 2 seed.

The only thing would be shaking some rust off, but it's not like he's sitting on a recliner all day. I bet he's pretty active in practice.

Would need a lot to fall right, but if the Final potentially puts us on the 1 line I'd have to imagine that, plus defending BET title, plus redemption chance against UCONN would have Tyler foaming at the mouth to play
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 14, 2024, 11:39:34 PM
I would say don't play till next week.

If we win against The Friars that will be a nice addition to our resume and build the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 14, 2024, 11:43:49 PM
Rest him up.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 14, 2024, 11:44:25 PM
Sit him tomorrow? And if UNC, UT and AZ all go down play him in Final against UCONN  for a shor at a 1?
I don’t think it’s even possible to get a one seed unless teams turn Down their bids
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 14, 2024, 11:51:11 PM

Such a bad geezer can't quote correctly
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 14, 2024, 11:52:04 PM
you and reeeko joined at the ass??
Hi Q baby, kiss
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 15, 2024, 12:01:27 AM
I don’t think it’s even possible to get a one seed unless teams turn Down their bids

There is absolutely no one seed even with a tourney win.  It’s not happening. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 15, 2024, 12:03:20 AM
Like this

https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA (https://x.com/painttouches/status/1768477306543100031?s=46&t=EPgIwcjzegj_0y0aa83fHA)

that's the major one, there were many more...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 12:04:16 AM
Zero reason to play Kolek this weekend. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 15, 2024, 12:09:03 AM
There is absolutely no one seed even with a tourney win.  It’s not happening.

Well, let's see after UNC, AZ and UT all lose tomorrow....
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 15, 2024, 01:14:21 AM
We are not getting a 1.

Did you watch the game? If this is how it's going to be called the rest of the weekend, sit everyone. Play the walk on. Big eat tournament means nothing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 15, 2024, 01:39:35 AM
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 79Warrior on March 15, 2024, 02:06:37 AM
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees

Agree. The team is in it to win it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 15, 2024, 04:19:05 AM
Such a bad geezer can't quote correctly



Pure dung, aina?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 06:34:46 AM
Hi Q baby, kiss

come on man...where's my rating?  7 of 10? 4 of 10?  getting a zero from the other zero would be a compliment
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2024, 07:22:10 AM
When Kolek returns, our entire team will be stronger than it was before his injury. The Xavier and Nova games were won by our players rising to new levels and learning how to play in a Kolek-less game. I really liked seeing the ball movement last night on some possessions, even though it was not always at Kolek levels. Even in the losses to Creighton and UCONN, the team came together. We have seen individual players rise to higher levels in both abilities and confidence.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GOO on March 15, 2024, 08:02:16 AM
Is Kolek doing pregame warm ups, layups, shooting 3s? 
I’d think the issue is less about contact then arms above the head, rebounding shooting etc.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 08:10:28 AM
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees

I am one who thinks having Kolek at 100% effectiveness (or as close as possible to it) for the NCAA tournament is more important than defending our BET title. And I happen to believe Shaka does, too, though he would never publicly admit it.

That said, I got into last night's game, celebrated when Kam's shot went in, and was as intently watching the OT just as I would have if Kolek were healthy and playing in it.

One can want to win every game - and even the BET title - without wanting to compromise the ability of the team to win a national title. Which both Oso and Shaka called our ultimate goal.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 08:28:35 AM
Is Kolek doing pregame warm ups, layups, shooting 3s? 
I’d think the issue is less about contact then arms above the head, rebounding shooting etc.
Yes.  He is shooting 3's and doing most non-contact work.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Lens on March 15, 2024, 08:49:25 AM
It's funny bc it always seemed like Old Heads in the Big East disregarded the conf title and only observed the BET.

BUT if we win the BET I guarantee you UConn will suddenly become a "regular season matters" community. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUMountin on March 15, 2024, 08:49:59 AM
Is Kolek doing pregame warm ups, layups, shooting 3s? 
I’d think the issue is less about contact then arms above the head, rebounding shooting etc.

No doctor, but I think the issue is twisting his body in irregular ways, so I don’t think most of these tell us enough.  It’s the one-handed whip passes that I think would cause problems and I don’t think we’ve seen him do anything like that in warm ups yet. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: avid1010 on March 15, 2024, 08:56:37 AM
It seems overly clear to me, in every press conference and interview, that Shaka and the team are saying TKO will be back for the NCAA tourney.  I have no doubt they are saying this to ensure his injury doesn't impact seeding.  The words they are using are so definitive that I believe it to be true, but if this were the middle of the season they'd be talking differently about the injury.  There's a small part of me that worries they aren't as confident in his return as they seem but are doing what they can in regards to selection Sunday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 15, 2024, 09:00:04 AM
It's funny bc it always seemed like Old Heads in the Big East disregarded the conf title and only observed the BET.

BUT if win the BET I guarantee you UConn will suddenly become a "regular season matters" community.

UConn will always flip depending on what they've won that season.

Personally, I've always thought a regular season title is more impressive than a tournament title.  To me the conference tournaments are fun, but they really don't mean anything unless you need it to get in the big dance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUEng92 on March 15, 2024, 09:15:43 AM
Just think, if MU makes a deep run in the NCAA tournament, coaches will start sitting their best players for the last 4-5 games to get the other players new experiences
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: brewnewsman on March 15, 2024, 09:15:57 AM

https://x.com/kevinmcnamara33/status/1768632345630798053?s=46&t=uFtqmm1TKrmbuBin1s2znw

Shaka Smart last night on Tyler Kolek: ‘To this point he’s not been cleared to play. And we're confident that that will change soon. But we don't know if that's soon as in (Friday). But he's going to play next week. Obviously we'd love to win the Big East tournament.’
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 15, 2024, 09:16:01 AM
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees
I agree. Hurley and UCONN seem fired up to win this thing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2024, 09:20:39 AM
I am one who thinks having Kolek at 100% effectiveness (or as close as possible to it) for the NCAA tournament is more important than defending our BET title. And I happen to believe Shaka does, too, though he would never publicly admit it.

That said, I got into last night's game, celebrated when Kam's shot went in, and was as intently watching the OT just as I would have if Kolek were healthy and playing in it.

One can want to win every game - and even the BET title - without wanting to compromise the ability of the team to win a national title. Which both Oso and Shaka called our ultimate goal.
 

I think Tyko will play in the NCAA tournament, but I do have some concern about rust after about a month of no action.  I'm hoping that he can shake off the rust against an inferior #15 or #14 seed, but truthfully I thought he would play a bit in the BET.  Truncated mins of course. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DefinitelyNotPorterMoser on March 15, 2024, 09:26:41 AM
The only reason you'd play Kolek this week is to prove to the committee that he's healthy enough to not dock Marquette a seed line or two. Now that they have two Quad 1 wins without him, that's not a concern.

The 1 seed seems out of reach as well.

I have a hard time seeing Marquette slip to a 3 right now. They have a better resume than Creighton. I can't see both Iowa State and Baylor jumping over them. Duke lost. Even if it wins the SEC, Kentucky's resume won't be better.

Beat Providence tonight and you can etch that 2 seed in stone, but it's still a #donedeal in my books.

Play Kolek 10-15 minutes against the 15 seed on Friday, then let him rest up to go 35 on Sunday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 15, 2024, 09:33:36 AM
The only reason you'd play Kolek this week is to prove to the committee that he's healthy enough to not dock Marquette a seed line or two. Now that they have two Quad 1 wins without him, that's not a concern.

The 1 seed seems out of reach as well.

I have a hard time seeing Marquette slip to a 3 right now. They have a better resume than Creighton. I can't see both Iowa State and Baylor jumping over them. Duke lost. Even if it wins the SEC, Kentucky's resume won't be better.

Beat Providence tonight and you can etch that 2 seed in stone, but it's still a #donedeal in my books.

Play Kolek 10-15 minutes against the 15 seed on Friday, then let him rest up to go 35 on Sunday.


Don't mess around in the first round. You play him.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 15, 2024, 09:41:42 AM
It seems overly clear to me, in every press conference and interview, that Shaka and the team are saying TKO will be back for the NCAA tourney.  I have no doubt they are saying this to ensure his injury doesn't impact seeding.  The words they are using are so definitive that I believe it to be true, but if this were the middle of the season they'd be talking differently about the injury.  There's a small part of me that worries they aren't as confident in his return as they seem but are doing what they can in regards to selection Sunday.

Tyler is going to the play in the NCAAT regardless.  Dude is tough as nails.  He'd play with a much more serious injury.  I think the sitting out now has much more to do with not making the injury worse than his inability to tough it out if it was needed.  I believe he'd be playing if these games were must wins.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2024, 09:43:44 AM

Don't mess around in the first round. You play him.

Matt Painter is on line one. Something about last year's Fairleigh-Dickinson game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2024, 09:44:54 AM
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees

 I agree with your sentiment but next year's team, assuming Kam stays and TK and Oso move on, scored 67 of our 71 points last night. Oso was pretty much a non-entity. F#ckem we can win the title without TK.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Thing on March 15, 2024, 09:59:18 AM
I feel like if Kolek took one shot like Stevie got last night on the baseline his season would be over. I say wait until the first round of the NCAA. I do not care about the BET.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 10:06:43 AM
 

I think Tyko will play in the NCAA tournament, but I do have some concern about rust after about a month of no action.  I'm hoping that he can shake off the rust against an inferior #15 or #14 seed, but truthfully I thought he would play a bit in the BET.  Truncated mins of course.

Zero concerns about rust next week.


Don't mess around in the first round. You play him.

Yep yep yep. If he’s deemed healthy, you play him as much as necessary. Period.

F#ckem we can win the title without TK.

We most certainly can’t, at least not this season. I’ll worry about next season months from now.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 10:09:05 AM
I keep saying it and its wild that I have to

Sitting TK or "10-15 minutes" of TK in 1st round is a flat out mental suggestion if hes cleared to play. LIke its flat out stupid. That game still matters and its still a threat. You dont just save your bullets for what isnt guaranteed.

Now as I also keep saying, if we end up cookin that 14/15 seed and are up 25 early 2nd half. Of course, send him to the pine. But id also be sending Kam, Oso and Stevie to the pine a lot that half as well.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2024, 10:12:18 AM
I keep saying it and its wild that I have to

Sitting TK or "10-15 minutes" of TK in 1st round is a flat out mental suggestion if hes cleared to play. LIke its flat out stupid. That game still matters and its still a threat. You dont just save your bullets for what isnt guaranteed.

Now as I also keep saying, if we end up cookin that 14/15 seed and are up 25 early 2nd half. Of course, send him to the pine. But id also be sending Kam, Oso and Stevie to the pine a lot that half as well.

It's called resource management.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 15, 2024, 10:12:24 AM
I agree with your sentiment but next year's team, assuming Kam stays and TK and Oso move on, scored 67 of our 71 points last night. Oso was pretty much a non-entity. F#ckem we can win the title without TK.
I'll smoke what you are smoking!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on March 15, 2024, 10:29:07 AM
With how physical the BET games have been, it doesnt make sense to play Tyler. Save him for the big show, let him heal.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on March 15, 2024, 10:36:41 AM
From Ben Steele's article this AM:
"Tyler has been practicing," Smart said. "Tyler is eager to come back. But probably the most conservative person in the room is our trainer and our doctor, and that's how it should be.
"So to this point, he's not been cleared to play in the game. And we're confident that will change soon. But we don't know if that's as soon as (Friday).
"But he's going to play next week (in the NCAA Tournament). Obviously we'd love to win the Big East tournament. We'd love to win tomorrow night. I think what our guys are showing these last couple of games, and even the two games we lost without Tyler is that we can compete with anyone, even while he's recovering."
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 15, 2024, 10:47:00 AM
while I hope TK does not play until the NCAA, I am 100% fine to play him this weekend if 100%. That said, while I never want MYU to lose, I am not falling into the trap to do whatever is needed to win this weekend. To be honest, if somehow they could win the BE without TK, it would be a major, major accomplishment.

Elons culture thread really sums up what MU basketball is all about in 2024. The basketball has not been as beautiful with TK and that is to be expected, but the drive and grit has been on full display. Experience, grit and culture can carry a team a long way. This is team and program that is very easy to cheer for, even with occasional stupid play, missed free throw or bad turnover. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 15, 2024, 10:51:39 AM
We are not getting a 1.

Did you watch the game? If this is how it's going to be called the rest of the weekend, sit everyone. Play the walk on. Big eat tournament means nothing.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/fb/fb/huXtyxfz_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/huXtyxfz)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2024, 10:53:45 AM
Zero concerns about rust next week.

Yep yep yep. If he’s deemed healthy, you play him as much as necessary. Period.

We most certainly can’t, at least not this season. I’ll worry about next season months from now.

Talk about the COLE. I though you were We Are Marquette. Just to clarify it was in reference to the Big East Title not the National Title. I even think the Johnnies have a good chance of upsetting UCONN, they're not invincible.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 15, 2024, 11:02:02 AM
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 15, 2024, 11:05:39 AM
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.

Clearly out for the season.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 15, 2024, 11:10:20 AM
Clearly out for the season.

Nice memorial post, RIP Tyler
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 15, 2024, 11:15:36 AM
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.

oh my
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 15, 2024, 11:15:52 AM
Nice memorial post, RIP Tyler

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/US_Navy_040609-N-5471P-013_Symbolic_of_a_fallen_leader_who_will_never_ride_again%2C_the_Caparisoned_horse_is_led_down_Constitution_Ave.%2C_following_the_Caisson_carrying_the_body_of_former_U.S._President_Ronald_Reagan.jpg)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 15, 2024, 11:17:40 AM
TK in the Garden on Friday/Saturday night seems right to me. The kid has delivered a great deal to the program and if he is ready to go, I hope he puts a show on tonight.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 15, 2024, 11:21:11 AM
If he’s healthy, I’d like to see him play at least 20 minutes or so to get back in game shape.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 11:28:29 AM
Talk about the COLE. I though you were We Are Marquette. Just to clarify it was in reference to the Big East Title not the National Title. I even think the Johnnies have a good chance of upsetting UCONN, they're not invincible.

I thought you were talking about winning the national title without TK, which I can't objectively predict it's something we could do.

Sure, we could win the BET without him. Odds against doing so would be long, but it's not impossible. I'm one who has been saying that UConn is a great team but not an invincible one.

We Are Marquette!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: lawdog77 on March 15, 2024, 11:57:47 AM
On Instagram, Tyler just posted a photo of his shoes on a practice court with a loading symbol and New York tagged.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8d/42/3c/8d423c8ca5cdec382cdeedfa0877268d.jpg)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 15, 2024, 12:23:50 PM


Pure dung, aina?
Hi, Will
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 12:28:43 PM
https://twitter.com/Whitesoxbill/status/1768683346127675695

White Sox Bill changing his tune a bit
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 15, 2024, 12:31:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Whitesoxbill/status/1768683346127675695

White Sox Bill changing his tune a bit

The only Sox fans I trust on stuff like this are KatyPerrysBootyHole and Wetbutt23.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 15, 2024, 01:06:08 PM
https://twitter.com/Whitesoxbill/status/1768683346127675695

White Sox Bill changing his tune a bit

He's a troll.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 15, 2024, 01:29:56 PM
Jesus people. Nothing to play for? How about defending their BET title? I know fans have written that off but I guarentee the team hasn't. If the docs day Tyler is good to go then play the man. F#ckem to anyone who disagrees

10 years from now, do you think we will be talking about winning back to back BET's or a championship run?

I know which one I would rather have.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 15, 2024, 01:44:23 PM
10 years from now, do you think we will be talking about winning back to back BET's or a championship run?

I know which one I would rather have.

Why are you treating it like an either/or?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 15, 2024, 02:05:11 PM
Why are you treating it like an either/or?

Let’s do both!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior97 on March 15, 2024, 02:24:39 PM
I feel like if Kolek took one shot like Stevie got last night on the baseline his season would be over. I say wait until the first round of the NCAA. I do not care about the BET.

You mean the one that wasn't called a foul with Big East Ref staring right at the play :(
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 15, 2024, 02:25:59 PM
Why are you treating it like an either/or?

Because were on the conversation of sitting kolek for the BET due to an injury?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Pakuni on March 15, 2024, 03:11:02 PM
Because were on the conversation of sitting kolek for the BET due to an injury?

You're suggesting a binary choice between trying to win the conference championship or trying to go on a national championship run.
What if there were other options... like trying to do both?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Thing on March 15, 2024, 03:12:02 PM
You mean the one that wasn't called a foul with Big East Ref staring right at the play :(
Exactly, if these refs are letting that slide let’s just let Kolek sit until the real fun begins.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WarriorFan on March 15, 2024, 03:33:26 PM
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament.  That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 15, 2024, 03:34:50 PM
You're suggesting a binary choice between trying to win the conference championship or trying to go on a national championship run.
What if there were other options... like trying to do both?

Given its logic I think Boolean applies better here instead of binary.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 15, 2024, 03:38:40 PM
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament.  That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.

He will play in the first round. Too great a risk.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 15, 2024, 03:44:39 PM
He will play in the first round. Too great a risk.

We have seen 16's beat 1's. We will be at best a two seed, maybe a three. Kolek must play if cleared. As stated, way, way too risky. Plus can shake off some cobwebs.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 15, 2024, 03:50:27 PM
Still no official word on Kolek’s status. Really might be a game time decision?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 15, 2024, 03:55:11 PM
Still no official word on Kolek’s status. Really might be a game time decision?

The latest is “game time decision.”  My hunch says he plays.  I’m no soothsayer - I just have a feeling.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteDano on March 15, 2024, 04:09:07 PM
The latest is “game time decision.”  My hunch says he plays.  I’m no soothsayer - I just have a feeling.

Where is Degenerate? That -4.5 line might be telling us something. Neutral game with Kolek we would be favored by 9ish no?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 04:13:19 PM
Where is Degenerate? That -4.5 line might be telling us something. Neutral game with Kolek we would be favored by 9ish no?

It was 9.5 when we played them at fiserv with TK so no.

And vegas doesnt get injury reports before the Jeff Goodmans.

Its just the safe line considering providence can win even if TK plays. And considering the fact that TK didnt play yesterday so people would but nuts to pound it on a whim he does.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2024, 04:14:21 PM
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament.  That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.

That's probably similar to what Matt Painter and Purdue thought last year. Surprise!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 15, 2024, 04:22:50 PM
Kolek doesn't need to play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament.  That will be MU's easiest game since DePaul on Feb 22.

I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.

the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks. 

So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup.  if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.

So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 04:23:54 PM
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.

the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks. 

So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first game but some limited time in the second depending on matchup.  if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.

So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.

Nope
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 15, 2024, 04:24:21 PM
Nope
Yep
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 15, 2024, 04:25:32 PM
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.

the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks. 

So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup.  if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.

So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.

For something that's so hard...you're doing a lot of it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2024, 04:25:52 PM
Yep

Nope
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 04:27:01 PM
Yep

Would you like to wager?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 15, 2024, 04:30:46 PM
I am not saying he will play tonight. I don’t know. But it’s FAR more likely he plays tonight than sits out the first NCAA game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 04:49:20 PM
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.

the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks. 

So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup.  if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.

So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.

LOL
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 15, 2024, 04:50:21 PM
This team absolutely has to have Kolek tonight and going forward to advance. It is that simple.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 04:51:11 PM
Absolutely wrong. The team can absolutely beat Providence tonight without him.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 15, 2024, 04:57:55 PM
Didn’t we just crush PC without Kolek for most of the game?

Also PC playing third game in three days. Tired legs.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 05:03:34 PM
Didn’t we just crush PC without Kolek for most of the game?

Also PC playing third game in three days. Tired legs.

We built the massive lead with him and then essentially maintained it the last 15 minutes after he went out. Carter piled on some garbage time points for them so not likely we can take much away from that 2nd half without TKO.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2024, 05:09:41 PM
We built the massive lead with him and then essentially maintained it the last 15 minutes after he went out. Carter piled on some garbage time points for them so not likely we can take much away from that 2nd half without TKO.

Yeah obviously just TK being out there helped

I will say tho that most of TKs pts and assists that he did have if I recall were after we already were up huge.

Also, lead in second half got to like 28 so even without TK we did actually build it a bit until garbage time really took effect.

Not saying anything you said is wrong, but the above is why im still very confident tonight
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 15, 2024, 05:17:24 PM
I agree, oblique strains take 2-3weeks (mild) to 4-6 weeks (heavy).
I'm guessing he has a more severe strain given he got it doing high end athletics.
I'm also guessing given his youth and shape as well as good doctors, he'll be good sooner rather than later.

the first weekend starts a couple of days after 3-weeks and the second weekend, 4-weeks. 

So its hard to guess but certainly no BET and perhaps not the first-weekend/first-ame but some limited time in the second depending on matchup.  if we play a 7 in game two, thats similar to the middle Big-East teams. MU-minus-Kolek can win that.

So second weekend 100% Kolek is my guess.

Kolek will play in the ncaa 1st round. He may be seem sometime this weekend, but that's a lot more doubtful.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 15, 2024, 05:18:40 PM
Didn’t we just crush PC without Kolek for most of the game?

Also PC playing third game in three days. Tired legs.

Scoop doom and gloom has completely forgotten about the thrashing at Fiserv.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 15, 2024, 05:44:48 PM
Kolek out tonight.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Oregon Warrior on March 15, 2024, 05:47:55 PM
He’s sitting in the stands watching UConn vs. St. John’s.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 15, 2024, 05:49:12 PM
Kolek out tonight.

Yep confirmed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 05:57:26 PM
Would have been stunned if he had played tonight.

Glad the medical staff, Shaka and TK are using common sense.

No need to play tomorrow either, after we beat The Provi without him tonight.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HowardsWorld on March 15, 2024, 06:16:29 PM
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 15, 2024, 06:18:35 PM
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.
Doubt it guess we’ll know next week
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 94Warrior on March 15, 2024, 06:19:25 PM
He’s sitting in the stands watching UConn vs. St. John’s.

He' scouting UNCONN for his return tomorrow.  He will play for a 'ship! 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.

No.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 15, 2024, 06:21:31 PM
It is a very elaborate mind game.   The footage of him getting shots up is actually from last summer, done in front of a green screen, in anticipation of this exact circumstance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 15, 2024, 06:30:22 PM
Would he play tomorrow if St John’s wins?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 15, 2024, 06:36:24 PM
What a bummer.  I really wanted to see Kolek play tonight.  I had a good feeling he’d get the green light.  Here’s hoping MU wins and Tyler is back for UConn - Part III.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 06:53:04 PM
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on?

Nope.

But this is clever of you. When Kolek plays, you’ll shrug and say you’re happy you were wrong. On the 1% chance he doesn’t play, you can say “I told you so.” A no-lose semi-kinda-prediction.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 15, 2024, 06:58:55 PM
There’s zero reason for Kolek to play a second tonight or tomorrow. Absolutely nothing to gain, all it does is risk a re-injury.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 15, 2024, 07:03:23 PM
I’m curious what others think but why say he’s out at all? Why not say he’s “available” but just sits the bench all game . Talk about mind games: is there some benefit?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 07:07:59 PM
do they have to officially declare if he's going to play or not?  i'm sure the bookies et.al. would want to know.  what if for some weird reason, we were down at half time and shaka decided to suit him up and throw him out there.  is that allowed or does he need to be declared in/out like in pro sports, injury reports
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 15, 2024, 07:19:18 PM
do they have to officially declare if he's going to play or not?  i'm sure the bookies et.al. would want to know.  what if for some weird reason, we were down at half time and shaka decided to suit him up and throw him out there.  is that allowed or does he need to be declared in/out like in pro sports, injury reports
Why not just declare him in then if that’s the case. Al amadou would have to be declared in if that’s how it works too. Doesn’t mean Shaka has to play him a second
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocket surgeon on March 15, 2024, 08:11:39 PM
Why not just declare him in then if that’s the case. Al amadou would have to be declared in if that’s how it works too. Doesn’t mean Shaka has to play him a second

good point, yup  come on al!  ya'll know what that means if Al is on the floor-most likely scenario anyway
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 15, 2024, 08:28:58 PM
There’s zero reason for Kolek to play a second tonight or tomorrow. Absolutely nothing to gain, all it does is risk a re-injury.

False

If he wants to go tomorrow, allow it
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 15, 2024, 10:13:45 PM
If I heard Shaka correctly on the radio in the post game show it sounded like he said Tyler grabbed Shaka in the locker room and said how about I play tomorrow. But after that it sounded like Tyler will not play.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 10:21:12 PM
You don't leave it up to the player. If the player's any kind of competitor - and TK is a big-time competitor - he always wants to play. You listen to the medical staff and you make a common-sense decision.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Herman Cain on March 15, 2024, 10:33:31 PM
You don't leave it up to the player. If the player's any kind of competitor - and TK is a big-time competitor - he always wants to play. You listen to the medical staff and you make a common-sense decision.
There are two ways the athletic medical staff work some schools they report to the coach at others they report to AD. Correct me if I am wrong, I think MU is a school where the reporting relationship is to the AD.


So Tyler needs to be cleared to play first before the coaches can make any decision.

Do we know if Tyler has been cleared to play yet?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 15, 2024, 10:35:45 PM
I think Shaka is fine with him not playing. They’ve gotten this far with these guys. Let them give it a shot.

Gives Tyler another six days of rest.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 15, 2024, 10:40:02 PM
Eh it’s a tough call to play/sit. Makes sense to sit him but that’s quite an experience to miss out on if he’s healthy.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 10:40:42 PM
Eh it’s a tough call to play/sit. Makes sense to sit him but that’s quite an experience to miss out on if he’s healthy.

Experienced it last year. Nothing to gain and a lot to lose at this point.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2024, 10:41:41 PM
Would be very surprised if he plays tomorrow. Sounds like he hasn’t got up to full speed in practice yet even.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 15, 2024, 10:53:48 PM
Lace em up, TyKo
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2024, 10:57:08 PM
What's our plan of attack tomorrow? 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 15, 2024, 10:59:13 PM
Does anyone else believe this is a mind game and that the injury is actually worse than they led on? Hope he can actually play next week thur/friday but I will believe it when I see him on the court.

It’s possible, but he’s playing next week regardless.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 15, 2024, 11:01:24 PM
What's our plan of attack tomorrow?

See my update on UConn when Marquette played them and lost huge on the road.

Bottle up the shooters, Spencer and Karaban. Let Newton beat you and hope he reverts to his previous self of turning it over 6x.
Let castle and the others shoot jumpers.

We got this Muggs
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 15, 2024, 11:02:07 PM
There are two ways the athletic medical staff work some schools they report to the coach at others they report to AD. Correct me if I am wrong, I think MU is a school where the reporting relationship is to the AD.


So Tyler needs to be cleared to play first before the coaches can make any decision.

Do we know if Tyler has been cleared to play yet?

I sure don't know.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 15, 2024, 11:05:30 PM
There are two ways the athletic medical staff work some schools they report to the coach at others they report to AD. Correct me if I am wrong, I think MU is a school where the reporting relationship is to the AD.


So Tyler needs to be cleared to play first before the coaches can make any decision.

Do we know if Tyler has been cleared to play yet?

Aren’t you in on these decisions?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2024, 11:08:48 PM
See my update on UConn when Marquette played them and lost huge on the road.

Bottle up the shooters, Spencer and Karaban. Let Newton beat you and hope he reverts to his previous self of turning it over 6x.
Let castle and the others shoot jumpers
.

We got this Muggs

Easy peasy. 

Appreciate your optimism but it’s like pick your poison against them.  And more than likely we’ll still be without our best player and all American

They’ll fight hard, play poised and tough, and have nothing to lose tomorrow.  Hopefully will be enough to give themselves a chance at the end. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 15, 2024, 11:11:16 PM
Easy peasy. 

Appreciate your optimism but it’s like pick your poison against them.  And more than likely we’ll still be without our best player and all American

They’ll fight hard, play poised and tough, and have nothing to lose tomorrow.  Hopefully will be enough to give themselves a chance at the end.

We got this. Defense travels
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 15, 2024, 11:12:41 PM
See my update on UConn when Marquette played them and lost huge on the road.

Bottle up the shooters, Spencer and Karaban. Let Newton beat you and hope he reverts to his previous self of turning it over 6x.
Let castle and the others shoot jumpers.

We got this Muggs

Anything is possible.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2024, 11:14:23 PM
We got this. Defense travels

All hands on deck.  Need contributions from Zaide and Tre too, especially defensively. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 15, 2024, 11:18:33 PM
Anything is possible.

It’s not as hard as it seems. Just rebound the damn ball.

They won’t shoot the lights out more often than not even if you let them shoot as long as it’s not Spencer or Karaban shooting the Js.

Just play hard, let the right guys shoot the Js, and rebound.

We got this
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 15, 2024, 11:33:16 PM
Experienced it last year. Nothing to gain and a lot to lose at this point.

That’s true. I listened to big east shootaround with Fanta and Shaka sure made it seem like he will be resting tomorrow to be ready for next week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2024, 11:46:11 PM
House money tomorrow.

Zero reason for Tyler to play - nothing to be gained.

Ramp it up in practice next well and let’s roll.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 16, 2024, 12:02:25 AM
From here to the end is fast, rapid speed.

3-8 games total.

I won’t even entertain 2 games.

Anyway, let it all hang on to this special season
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 16, 2024, 12:05:14 AM
From here to the end is fast, rapid speed.

3-8 games total.

I won’t even entertain 2 games.

Anyway, let it all hang out on this special season


is the 8th game the world championship?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DoctorV on March 16, 2024, 12:08:46 AM

is the 8th game the world championship?

Just the uwm scrimmage before the FF
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 16, 2024, 12:09:55 AM
Just the uwm scrimmage before the FF

That'll move us down a seed line
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 16, 2024, 12:10:00 AM
I think the sentiment that there's nothing to be gained by TK playing tomorrow is not correct. A Big East championship is a big something. Maybe it's still not worth risking the larger goal, but back-to-back BET titles would be a big deal.

I had to wonder about Shaka relaying the story of Tyler pulling him aside after tonight's win. He told the story in the post-game and with John Fanta both. My over-analysis is that Shaka wants bait UConn into thinking TK has a good chance to play, while he's actually unlikely to go.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 16, 2024, 12:33:10 AM
Zero reason for Tyler to play - nothing to be gained.

Ramp it up in practice next well and let’s roll.


BET championships are meaningful imo

Ramp it up a bit tomorrow. If there are issues, start to learn treatment

Regardless of when he comes back, every second will be worrisome for the duration of the tourney
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 16, 2024, 12:50:27 AM

BET championships are meaningful imo

Ramp it up a bit tomorrow. If there are issues, start to learn treatment

Regardless of when he comes back, every second will be worrisome for the duration of the tourney

I think because we're locked into a 2 seed hos chances of playing are pretty slim. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 16, 2024, 01:45:34 AM

BET championships are meaningful imo

Ramp it up a bit tomorrow. If there are issues, start to learn treatment

Regardless of when he comes back, every second will be worrisome for the duration of the tourney

I’d rather every second be worrisome starting next weekend and I assume the Marquette medical staff will feel the same way.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 01:56:37 AM
10 years from now, do you think we will be talking about winning back to back BET's or a championship run?

I know which one I would rather have.

(https://media1.tenor.com/m/cHYRjCIXyckAAAAC/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos.gif)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 02:05:19 AM
There’s zero reason for Kolek to play a second tonight or tomorrow. Absolutely nothing to gain, all it does is risk a re-injury.

Experienced it last year. Nothing to gain and a lot to lose at this point.

House money tomorrow.

Zero reason for Tyler to play - nothing to be gained.

Ramp it up in practice next well and let’s roll.

Again, Jesus people. A BET Championship is not nothing. I'm also not certain a 1 seed is off the table (it probably is but I'd rather win and test that theory).

If he is good to go, he will play. No idea if he's good to go.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: SaveOD238 on March 16, 2024, 06:20:59 AM
Again, Jesus people. A BET Championship is not nothing. I'm also not certain a 1 seed is off the table (it probably is but I'd rather win and test that theory).

If he is good to go, he will play. No idea if he's good to go.

I'm with you here.  I think the 1 IS still in play but I actually think we need TK to play to get it.  If he plays and we beat UConn with him, the committee might ignore our Uconn loss (and Creighton) last week and say "this team is#1 see material with Kolek, but not without." Meanwhile if he doesn't play we don't get the excuse on the Uconn game.

I remember last year all of the prognosticators were saying we were locked into a 3 and we were pleasantly surprised to see a 2 in selection Sunday.  Maybe we'll get more of the same tomorrow afternoon.

(None of this matters if UNC beats NC State though)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bilsu on March 16, 2024, 06:55:17 AM
I'm with you here.  I think the 1 IS still in play but I actually think we need TK to play to get it.  If he plays and we beat UConn with him, the committee might ignore our Uconn loss (and Creighton) last week and say "this team is#1 see material with Kolek, but not without." Meanwhile if he doesn't play we don't get the excuse on the Uconn game.

I remember last year all of the prognosticators were saying we were locked into a 3 and we were pleasantly surprised to see a 2 in selection Sunday.  Maybe we'll get more of the same tomorrow afternoon.

(None of this matters if UNC beats NC State though)
I think we have a better chance of winning if Kolek does not play. UConn shut down Kolek when we played at UConn. Playing  a less than healthy and rusty kolek against UConn will not help.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 16, 2024, 07:03:32 AM
I think we have a better chance of winning if Kolek does not play. UConn shut down Kolek when we played at UConn. Playing  a less than healthy and rusty kolek against UConn will not help.

I disagree. If we played him limited mins it could change up what everyone has been seeing.  At this poiont everyone is tired so every 5pt run here or there matters. 

That being said from what I saw yesterday at the game he didn’t look ready so it’s probably a moot point.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: NCMUFan on March 16, 2024, 07:17:01 AM
A medical decision.
But if cleared to play, he should be ready to contribute.
Will take all hands on deck tonight.

When Providence came back, Shaka told the team to forget about everything and just play their game.  Worked and MU won but DDs.
MU needs that for 40 minutes against UConn.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 16, 2024, 07:23:34 AM
Agreed TAMU, if he is fully healthy he should play.  A Big East title is big and would be remembered, especially back to back.  But if there is even a twinge or pull in that area, even without pain, he should rest till the first round of the NCAA tournament. I think that is universally accepted by the fan base. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: El Guerrero 2 on March 16, 2024, 07:24:00 AM
If the doctors say he can play he should play. I don’t want him working rust off during an NCAA tournament game…
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 16, 2024, 07:37:08 AM
Agreed TAMU, if he is fully healthy he should play.  A Big East title is big and would be remembered, especially back to back.  But if there is even a twinge or pull in that area, even without pain, he should rest till the first round of the NCAA tournament. I think that is universally accepted by the fan base.

That’s it exactly.  A BET championship is very much a big deal, but NCAA tournament deep runs, Final Fours, etc trumps everything in college basketball.  That’s what puts teams and coaches on the map and easily what you’re most remembered and known for. 

It’s all about making sure TK is as healthy and effective and close to 100%  as possible starting next week.  We all remember how great last year’s championship was, only for a major letdown in the tournament.  That feeling stuck for most more than the high of the conference championship I think.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 16, 2024, 07:40:23 AM
If Tyler wasn't ready to play yesterday, I can't imagine he's ready today. 

With 3 games in 3 days, plus traveling back tonight after the game, I imagine tomorrow will be a pretty light day.  Get in the gym, get some shots up, but not a full practice.

My hope is Tyler is cleared to practice by Monday.  That gives him 4 days of practice to get up to speed.  He can shake off the game rust in round 1 against an inferior opponent.  By round 2, hopefully he's back in the groove.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2024, 08:02:43 AM
Again, Jesus people. A BET Championship is not nothing. I'm also not certain a 1 seed is off the table (it probably is but I'd rather win and test that theory).

If he is good to go, he will play. No idea if he's good to go.

This. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 08:36:05 AM
What's our plan of attack tomorrow?

Outscore them
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 16, 2024, 08:38:29 AM
Wasn’t cleared yesterday. Coming off an injury that has sidelined him for over 2 weeks, that is rare in basketball. Game being played under 24 hours later. Won the thing last year. Locked into a 2 seed (and I was one of the few who thought a 2 seed was possible all along when most thought 3 seed lock and conference tourney no matta last year).

Yeah. Nothing to gain. Heck even if he went from unable to play yesterday to the strongest oblique ever seen to man in the span of mere hours, still nothing to gain and everything to lose today. It all starts next Thursday or Friday.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 16, 2024, 08:52:46 AM
Wasn’t cleared yesterday. Coming off an injury that has sidelined him for over 2 weeks, that is rare in basketball. Game being played under 24 hours later. Won the thing last year. Locked into a 2 seed (and I was one of the few who thought a 2 seed was possible all along when most thought 3 seed lock and conference tourney no matta last year).

Yeah. Nothing to gain. Heck even if he went from unable to play yesterday to the strongest oblique ever seen to man in the span of mere hours, still nothing to gain and everything to lose today. It all starts next Thursday or Friday.

100% agree.

That’s it exactly.  A BET championship is very much a big deal, but NCAA tournament deep runs, Final Fours, etc trumps everything in college basketball.  That’s what puts teams and coaches on the map and easily what you’re most remembered and known for. 

It’s all about making sure TK is as healthy and effective and close to 100%  as possible starting next week.  We all remember how great last year’s championship was, only for a major letdown in the tournament.  That feeling stuck for most more than the high of the conference championship I think.

And I think the bolded sums it up perfectly.  And, particularly given we won Big East tournament last year, which was great, but the high won't be as high winning it this year (given we did last year), and we need to make a run in the NCAA to get that monkey off the back of our program and Shaka.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 08:53:33 AM
If Tyler wasn't ready to play yesterday, I can't imagine he's ready today. 

With 3 games in 3 days, plus traveling back tonight after the game, I imagine tomorrow will be a pretty light day.  Get in the gym, get some shots up, but not a full practice.

My hope is Tyler is cleared to practice by Monday.  That gives him 4 days of practice to get up to speed.  He can shake off the game rust in round 1 against an inferior opponent.  By round 2, hopefully he's back in the groove.

I could see a situation where Tyler was ready Thursday but they didn't want to bring him back and play back to back to games. No idea if that's what's happening.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 08:56:55 AM
Wasn’t cleared yesterday. Coming off an injury that has sidelined him for over 2 weeks, that is rare in basketball. Game being played under 24 hours later. Won the thing last year. Locked into a 2 seed (and I was one of the few who thought a 2 seed was possible all along when most thought 3 seed lock and conference tourney no matta last year).

Yeah. Nothing to gain. Heck even if he went from unable to play yesterday to the strongest oblique ever seen to man in the span of mere hours, still nothing to gain and everything to lose today. It all starts next Thursday or Friday.

You are factually wrong. The have a BET championship to gain (and maybe a shot at a 1 seed). That is not nothing. Yes,  if there is significant risk of reinjury TKo should absolutely not play. But I'm glad the team doesn't have the same attitude as some of our fans
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 16, 2024, 09:08:28 AM
TAMU all people are saying is that in their opinion, the potential upside isn’t worth the potential downside.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 09:10:21 AM
I can't remember what I've said and am not gonna look back, but if I said these games mean "nothing," I misspoke. A Big East championship isn't nothing. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it last year, and I'm already making my plans for tonight, so it's clearly not "nothing" to me ... and I'm guessing the same is true for most others here.

We're in the game, might as well win the effen thing!

But as is the case with a whole bunch of things, risk/reward matters. This team has been focused on winning the national title - not the BET - since before the season. That was the gist of Ben Steele's article this morning. We need Tyler Kolek 100% healthy going into the NCAA tournament, and for me, anyway, playing him tonight simply does not offer enough reward for the risk that would be presented. I understand, and respect, those who think otherwise.

We've now won 3 straight pressure-packed games without TK. The game before that streak started, we were down 5 to UConn, with the ball, with 30 seconds to play - despite no TK, despite UConn shooting the lights out, despite Oso and Ross still feeling some effects from their illnesses.

Not playing Kolek isn't saying, "We give up." It's keeping things in perspective and focusing on the big picture while giving the rest of the guys one more challenge.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 09:13:11 AM
TAMU all people are saying is that in their opinion, the potential upside isn’t worth the potential downside.

No they are saying "they have nothing to gain".

Everyone agrees that Tyler shouldn't play if theres significant risk of reinjury. That can be said without invalidating a BET championship
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 16, 2024, 09:16:51 AM
If people felt they truly had nothing to gain, nobody would care about tonight even if Tyler were healthy. It’s all relative to the risk of reinjury.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 16, 2024, 09:19:51 AM
Outscore them


Reako, Fook 'em ain't playin', aina?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 09:22:44 AM

Reako, Fook 'em ain't playin', aina?

So?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 16, 2024, 09:22:54 AM
Not ready yesterday, ready today is illogical.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2024, 09:23:27 AM
No they are saying "they have nothing to gain".

Everyone agrees that Tyler shouldn't play if theres significant risk of reinjury. That can be said without invalidating a BET championship

I wonder if UConn fans are saying there is nothing to gain by winning the BET tonight? They won the national championship last year and it still burns them that MU won the BE and BET.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 16, 2024, 09:26:23 AM

Not playing Kolek isn't saying, "We give up." It's keeping things in perspective and focusing on the big picture while giving the rest of the guys one more challenge.

Yep.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2024, 09:29:01 AM
I could see a situation where Tyler was ready Thursday but they didn't want to bring him back and play back to back to games. No idea if that's what's happening.

Correct.

Im in the camp dont play him today

But idk why people think its a "he wasnt cleared last night, how will he be cleared today" scenario. Thats not fully how it works
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: lawdog77 on March 16, 2024, 09:30:07 AM
If people felt they truly had nothing to gain, nobody would care about tonight even if Tyler were healthy. It’s all relative to the risk of reinjury.
Thats what some are saying
wades-"Yeah. Nothing to gain. Heck even if he went from unable to play yesterday to the strongest oblique ever seen to man in the span of mere hours, still nothing to gain and everything to lose today. It all starts next Thursday or Friday."

Vander- House money tomorrow.

Zero reason for Tyler to play - nothing to be gained.

Ramp it up in practice next well and let’s roll.

Others have said similar things-like the team experienced it last year. (Well Tre and Zaide haven't)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 16, 2024, 09:33:21 AM
No they are saying "they have nothing to gain".

Everyone agrees that Tyler shouldn't play if theres significant risk of reinjury. That can be said without invalidating a BET championship

And when I say there is nothing to gain I mean the upside of winning the BET is not worth the risk of reinjury.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 16, 2024, 09:48:36 AM
So?
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Dreck, hey?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 09:52:37 AM
So?
[/quote




Dreck, hey?

We know you’d prefer they lose and chances are, they will.  But your track record on these things is pretty terrible, so fingers crossed
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 16, 2024, 09:55:35 AM
If we are talking risk/reward not being high enough why not play the walk ons the whole game? Stevie has been laid out 3 times in two games and looked in pain. Oso almost had his arm torn off. Ross was down in pain as Oduro stuck his knee out. Kam is taking a lot of hits to his body in the way to the basket. Kolek hurt his oblique on a relatively routine and mundane play.

At the end of the day, Kolek is either healthy to play or he isn’t.  5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury. 

If he is healthy, play him. If not then don’t. Same is true for the NCAAT.  Same is true for all of the players.

If Kolek is healthy and plays he reduces the risk and workload for all of the other players.

You play to win the game. 40 minutes for a ship.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: dgies9156 on March 16, 2024, 09:56:42 AM
It’s very simple:

1) Coach Shaka is our head coach.

2) Coach Shaka wants to win probably more than any of us.

3) Coach Shaka is a decent human being who cares about his players.

4) Marquette has good medical and training support.

5) In Coach Shaka I trust!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 16, 2024, 10:00:11 AM
I have given this a lot of thought and have finally decided that I am going to leave the decision up to Shaka.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GB Warrior on March 16, 2024, 10:05:45 AM
Would love for him to play, but what's the upside?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Goose on March 16, 2024, 10:06:25 AM
Rico

Make no mistake about it, Doc wants MU you win tonight and a NC.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 16, 2024, 10:06:51 AM
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t want TKO’s first game back to be a lose and go home game. IF he’s got a bit of rust, or his timing is a bit off, let’s get him some game action if he’s healthy and cleared to play and get him some game reps, even if on limited minutes.

No-brainer IMO.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUfan12 on March 16, 2024, 10:09:56 AM
If the medical staff thinks he's ready, let him play.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 16, 2024, 10:11:08 AM
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I don’t want TKO’s first game back to be a lose and go home game. IF he’s got a bit of rust, or his timing is a bit off, let’s get him some game action if he’s healthy and cleared to play and get him some game reps, even if on limited minutes.

No-brainer IMO.

He should play tonight.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: lostpassword on March 16, 2024, 10:14:33 AM

If he is healthy, play him. If not then don’t.

Approach goals vs. avoidance goals. If he is healthy I think he will get some run.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUEng92 on March 16, 2024, 10:14:45 AM
I have given this a lot of thought and have finally decided that I am going to leave the decision up to Shaka.
I'm on edge because I haven't made a decision on if I'd prefer Kolek play tonight or not.  If Shaka calls for my opinion it will be one of those awkward conversations where I hem and haw and he'll probably be annoyed at my indecision.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 16, 2024, 10:15:11 AM
So?
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Dreck, hey?




A dude your age should know howta quote on Scoop, hey?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Daniel on March 16, 2024, 10:17:00 AM
If he is cleared to play, I could see Shaka starting Chase and bringing Tyler in for spot minutes just to get some of the cobwebs off.   If we win the big East again, great.  If we don’t, not to worry.  We need Tyler back for the ncaa in full form.   
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 16, 2024, 10:17:30 AM
The upside of Tyler's injury is the playing time and big game experience for the team.  Not just the bench, but also the starters who were put in roles that were outside their norm. This includes having to play physical teams in a half court slog game.

Other teams lose their AA PG and fold. Incredible that we are playing in and defending the BET Championship.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUfan12 on March 16, 2024, 10:29:52 AM
The upside of Tyler's injury is the playing time and big game experience for the team.  Not just the bench, but also the starters who were put in roles that were outside their norm. This includes having to play physical teams in a half court slog game.

Other teams lose their AA PG and fold. Incredible that we are playing in and defending the BET Championship.

The progress they've shown in these type of slog games has been impressive. They lose that Nova game earlier in the year.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: forgetful on March 16, 2024, 10:39:22 AM
If he is cleared to play, I could see Shaka starting Chase and bringing Tyler in for spot minutes just to get some of the cobwebs off.   If we win the big East again, great.  If we don’t, not to worry.  We need Tyler back for the ncaa in full form.

If he is cleared to play, they will play him as much as possible. They aren't going to treat the Big East championship as a get the cobwebs off type of game.

There is only one simple answer as to whether Kolek plays. Does the medical staff clear him? If so, he will play to the maximum the medical staff allows.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 10:41:47 AM
If he is cleared to play, they will play him as much as possible. They aren't going to treat the Big East championship as a get the cobwebs off type of game.

There is only one simple answer as to whether Kolek plays. If the medical staff clears him. If so, he will play to the maximum the medical staff allows.

There weren’t any medical staffs when Al McGuire coached
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on March 16, 2024, 11:03:40 AM
Agreed TAMU, if he is fully healthy he should play.  A Big East title is big and would be remembered, especially back to back.  But if there is even a twinge or pull in that area, even without pain, he should rest till the first round of the NCAA tournament. I think that is universally accepted by the fan base.

You're right on.  Ring out ahoya. Go Marquette! Win today.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 16, 2024, 11:04:04 AM
If he is cleared to play, I could see Shaka starting Chase and bringing Tyler in for spot minutes just to get some of the cobwebs off.   If we win the big East again, great.  If we don’t, not to worry.  We need Tyler back for the ncaa in full form.

If Tyler is playing. He's playing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Lens on March 16, 2024, 11:04:19 AM
There weren’t any medical staffs when Al McGuire coached

bc all the available medical staff had grass in their front yards.  That wasn’t Al’s world.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 16, 2024, 11:05:48 AM
If the doctors sign off, play him.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 16, 2024, 11:09:25 AM
If he sits, I don’t watch.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 16, 2024, 11:14:30 AM
If the medical staff thinks he's ready, let him play.

Totally agree
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 16, 2024, 11:15:39 AM
I'm on edge because I haven't made a decision on if I'd prefer Kolek play tonight or not.  If Shaka calls for my opinion it will be one of those awkward conversations where I hem and haw and he'll probably be annoyed at my indecision.

He just called me and asked for my opinion. I said "It's up to you pal. That's why you're paid the Big Bucks."
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Big Papi on March 16, 2024, 11:20:49 AM
I guess the assumption is that Tyler is in the recovery zone of he can aggravate his injury at any time.  Otherwise, he would be playing.  Is it worth doing so now knowing that if he does reinjury his season is done.  I don't think that is going to change next week either, but it does bide time in his recovery and there is a finality of a loss, and your season is over and in Tyler's case, collegiate career could be over. to consider. 

I want him to play tonight because I want to win all the Big East titles and championships we can.  I cringe when anyone says the Big East tournament doesn't matter.  Big East titles and tourney championships do matter.   A lot.  Building a culture of winning matters.  It opens up more doors of opportunity.  More funds, better recruits, etc.  You play to win.  We will play to win tonight.  I want Big East teams to hate us because we win.   

As much as I want Tyler to play tonight, I want him playing at his highest capable level.  I don't think he has been cleared to practice in any game like action.  Maybe he has but to do so tonight without any running, grinding, bumping, twisting around in a game-like or hard practice session would be foolish.  I don't think there is any way he is playing tonight.  Hopefully he gets cleared to do more than just shoot around.  He needs to ramp up in practices to play in games. 

I think he will play again.  He will play in the first round but that could last all of one minute or one half or one game or more. That is the nature of his injury and circumstances of a collegiate career possibly ending. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 16, 2024, 11:23:55 AM
I have given this a lot of thought and have finally decided that I am going to leave the decision up to Shaka.

And Shaka should leave it to the medical staff.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 16, 2024, 11:26:12 AM
False

If he wants to go tomorrow, allow it

True, nothing to gain by him playing in a game that really doesn’t mean a hell of a lot.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 16, 2024, 12:13:35 PM
I guess the assumption is that Tyler is in the recovery zone of he can aggravate his injury at any time.  Otherwise, he would be playing.  Is it worth doing so now knowing that if he does reinjury his season is done.  I don't think that is going to change next week either, but it does bide time in his recovery and there is a finality of a loss, and your season is over and in Tyler's case, collegiate career could be over. to consider. 

I want him to play tonight because I want to win all the Big East titles and championships we can.  I cringe when anyone says the Big East tournament doesn't matter.  Big East titles and tourney championships do matter.   A lot.  Building a culture of winning matters.  It opens up more doors of opportunity.  More funds, better recruits, etc.  You play to win.  We will play to win tonight.  I want Big East teams to hate us because we win.   

As much as I want Tyler to play tonight, I want him playing at his highest capable level.  I don't think he has been cleared to practice in any game like action.  Maybe he has but to do so tonight without any running, grinding, bumping, twisting around in a game-like or hard practice session would be foolish.  I don't think there is any way he is playing tonight.  Hopefully he gets cleared to do more than just shoot around.  He needs to ramp up in practices to play in games. 

I think he will play again.  He will play in the first round but that could last all of one minute or one half or one game or more. That is the nature of his injury and circumstances of a collegiate career possibly ending.

I don't think anyone is saying the BET tournament title doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUBurrow on March 16, 2024, 12:20:57 PM
If he is cleared to play, they will play him as much as possible. They aren't going to treat the Big East championship as a get the cobwebs off type of game.

There is only one simple answer as to whether Kolek plays. Does the medical staff clear him? If so, he will play to the maximum the medical staff allows.

There's almost no way that its as simple as being "cleared" though.  Shaka himself said that if Thursday was the NCAA championship, he'd be playing.  That means its a risk-reward call with substantial risk of reaggravation. He would have been "medically cleared" earlier this week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PJDunn on March 16, 2024, 12:24:22 PM
Getting beyond the 1st weekend of the dance is vastly more important than winning the BET. Not even remotely close.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 16, 2024, 12:36:05 PM
I'd take the Sweet 16, but I think it's decently close.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 16, 2024, 12:41:27 PM
S16 > BE tournament championship if this is an either or situation and if the doctors are saying "if he plays today there's a 30% chance he aggravated it and can't play next week" then that's close enough to an either or situation that i wouldn't play him but in Shaka I trust.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 12:43:55 PM
True, nothing to gain by him playing in a game that really doesn’t mean a hell of a lot.

We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 12:44:44 PM
I don't think anyone is saying the BET tournament title doesn't matter.

True, nothing to gain by him playing in a game that really doesn’t mean a hell of a lot.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 12:45:56 PM
Getting beyond the 1st weekend of the dance is vastly more important than winning the BET. Not even remotely close.

Yes. It is also possible for teams to do both.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 16, 2024, 12:48:27 PM
We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts

TAMU,  you are all over this.  But I think Hurley has scouted us and it’s not worth it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Mu8891 on March 16, 2024, 12:51:21 PM
Galway is correct…

A S16 this year is WAY better than a
“ banner “ for BE
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Efficient Frontier on March 16, 2024, 12:56:42 PM
Galway is correct…

A S16 this year is WAY better than a
“ banner “ for BE
I agree since there has been a NCAA run drought for MU the past decade or so. However if that wasn’t the case, I’d say a loss in the sweet sixteen is about on par with a BET Championship.

Elite 8 and beyond is different.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 12:58:11 PM
Galway is correct…

A S16 this year is WAY better than a
“ banner “ for BE

No one's arguing that. But,  and i know this is crazy, but you don't actually have to choose. You can do both
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 16, 2024, 12:58:52 PM
I wonder if UConn fans are saying there is nothing to gain by winning the BET tonight? They won the national championship last year and it still burns them that MU won the BE and BET.

If their best player hadn’t played in 2 weeks and didn’t play the last 2 nights but could return next week, they’d probably be fine letting him sit even if he might be able to play and even if it might be the difference between a BET title or not. Just simple logic.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DegenerateDish on March 16, 2024, 01:06:29 PM
We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts

Sure, it’s nice and fine, I obviously hope MU wins.

Kolek re-aggravating his oblique to try hang a BET banner versus being healthy for the real tournament run?

Not even close. Crazy people would rather risk him getting further injured for something nice, but something better awaits.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 01:07:14 PM
If we are talking risk/reward not being high enough why not play the walk ons the whole game? Stevie has been laid out 3 times in two games and looked in pain. Oso almost had his arm torn off. Ross was down in pain as Oduro stuck his knee out. Kam is taking a lot of hits to his body in the way to the basket. Kolek hurt his oblique on a relatively routine and mundane play.

At the end of the day, Kolek is either healthy to play or he isn’t.  5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury.

So what you're telling us is that you don't know the difference between aches and pains and bumps and bruises sustained in the normal course of pretty much every athletic contest in which contact is involved ... and an actual injury that was bad enough to cause a player to miss 5 games.

And, Dr. Boy, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever if "5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury." None.

There's almost no way that its as simple as being "cleared" though.  Shaka himself said that if Thursday was the NCAA championship, he'd be playing.  That means its a risk-reward call with substantial risk of reaggravation. He would have been "medically cleared" earlier this week.

Although I'm not sure how "substantial" the risk is on a scale of 1-10, your overall point is correct IMHO. Unless we dismiss Shaka's statement as a lie at worst or as gamesmanship at best, the decision on when Kolek plays next is all part of a risk/reward calculus.

From the moment Shaka and his players walked out of the arena following the loss to Michigan State, they were laser-focused on winning the 2023-24 national championship. It doesn't mean they don't want to win the BET. Of course they do. But they have spoken pretty often about this season being about something bigger.

Bottom line: I'll be surprised if TK plays tonight, and I wouldn't blame Shaka and the other decision-makers one iota for that risk/reward call.

Looking forward to winning tonight without him, and winning the next 6 games with him!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 01:27:38 PM
Sure, it’s nice and fine, I obviously hope MU wins.

Kolek re-aggravating his oblique to try hang a BET banner versus being healthy for the real tournament run?

Not even close. Crazy people would rather risk him getting further injured for something nice, but something better awaits.

No one has advocated for playing Kolek if there's a significant risk of injury.  Not a one.  You can say that without saying that a BET title means nothing.

If TKo plays tonight,  it means the doctors have determined that theres no significant risk or reinjury.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 16, 2024, 01:34:28 PM
Sure, it’s nice and fine, I obviously hope MU wins.

Kolek re-aggravating his oblique to try hang a BET banner versus being healthy for the real tournament run?

Not even close. Crazy people would rather risk him getting further injured for something nice, but something better awaits.
How does anybody know if he is "healthy" now or not, other than the Drs? If he can play now then play him, at least to get some minutes to get ready for the dance, This concern about aggravating it now will be there during the dance also.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUBurrow on March 16, 2024, 01:35:35 PM
If TKo plays tonight,  it means the doctors have determined that theres no significant risk or reinjury.

Then logically, he like - can't play.  It will have been less than 24 hours since he was just ruled out of a game with an injury he's been rehabbing for weeks, presumably due to the risk of aggravation.  That risk isn't dramatically reduced in less than a day.  The only reason to play him would be if its believed that this game is sufficiently more important than the one yesterday that it becomes worth taking that more or less same risk.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 16, 2024, 01:36:46 PM
We hang a banner if we win tonight. Yall are nuts

Awesome.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUBurrow on March 16, 2024, 01:37:07 PM
How does anybody know if he is "healthy" now or not, other than the Drs? If he can play now then play him, at least to get some minutes to get ready for the dance, This concern about aggravating it now will be there during the dance also.

Because the Drs didn't think he was healthy less than a day ago?  I generally appreciate us not playing amateur team physician, but we have a lot of data to go off here - certainly more than usual when there is 1-2 game per week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 16, 2024, 01:41:54 PM
He could re-aggravate it in practice or sneezing. I can definitely see a scenario with them not wanting him to play two games in a row.

I trust the decision makers.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 16, 2024, 01:45:17 PM
Then logically, he like - can't play.  It will have been less than 24 hours since he was just ruled out of a game with an injury he's been rehabbing for weeks, presumably due to the risk of aggravation.  That risk isn't dramatically reduced in less than a day.  The only reason to play him would be if its believed that this game is sufficiently more important than the one yesterday that it becomes worth taking that more or less same risk.

Eh. I trust the doctors here.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUBurrow on March 16, 2024, 01:55:10 PM
Eh. I trust the doctors here.

Sure, but either way it would be tough to convince me that the biggest change in the risk-benefit analysis vs the game yesterday is TK's condition and not the perceived importance of the game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BM1090 on March 16, 2024, 02:08:56 PM
Then logically, he like - can't play.  It will have been less than 24 hours since he was just ruled out of a game with an injury he's been rehabbing for weeks, presumably due to the risk of aggravation.  That risk isn't dramatically reduced in less than a day.  The only reason to play him would be if its believed that this game is sufficiently more important than the one yesterday that it becomes worth taking that more or less same risk.

That’s not necessarily true. At some point, you get cleared to return. It could come on a day of a game or not. But they are evaluating every day. If it happens today, play him.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 16, 2024, 02:20:17 PM
I guess the assumption is that Tyler is in the recovery zone of he can aggravate his injury at any time.  Otherwise, he would be playing.  Is it worth doing so now knowing that if he does reinjury his season is done.  I don't think that is going to change next week either, but it does bide time in his recovery and there is a finality of a loss, and your season is over and in Tyler's case, collegiate career could be over. to consider. 

I want him to play tonight because I want to win all the Big East titles and championships we can.  I cringe when anyone says the Big East tournament doesn't matter.  Big East titles and tourney championships do matter.   A lot.  Building a culture of winning matters.  It opens up more doors of opportunity.  More funds, better recruits, etc.  You play to win.  We will play to win tonight.  I want Big East teams to hate us because we win.   

As much as I want Tyler to play tonight, I want him playing at his highest capable level.  I don't think he has been cleared to practice in any game like action.  Maybe he has but to do so tonight without any running, grinding, bumping, twisting around in a game-like or hard practice session would be foolish.  I don't think there is any way he is playing tonight.  Hopefully he gets cleared to do more than just shoot around.  He needs to ramp up in practices to play in games. 

I think he will play again.  He will play in the first round but that could last all of one minute or one half or one game or more. That is the nature of his injury and circumstances of a collegiate career possibly ending.

No one is saying winning the big east tournament doesn't matter.

But in the situation we're in with an injured kolek and the possibility of him getting more hurt, we would rather not sacrifice a run to the final four for a BET champ.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 16, 2024, 02:23:02 PM
No one's arguing that. But,  and i know this is crazy, but you don't actually have to choose. You can do both

Are you not understanding that we all would love both, but we're unwilling to possibly sacrifice Kolek for the ncaa to win the BET?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 02:23:44 PM
Eh. I trust the doctors here.

I’ll do my own research
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Shooter McGavin on March 16, 2024, 03:06:20 PM
No one's arguing that. But,  and i know this is crazy, but you don't actually have to choose. You can do both

100%.  This should always be the thought process.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 16, 2024, 03:10:10 PM
So what you're telling us is that you don't know the difference between aches and pains and bumps and bruises sustained in the normal course of pretty much every athletic contest in which contact is involved ... and an actual injury that was bad enough to cause a player to miss 5 games.

And, Dr. Boy, you have absolutely no idea whatsoever if "5 more days of rest isn’t going to greatly reduce the risk of reinjury." None.

Although I'm not sure how "substantial" the risk is on a scale of 1-10, your overall point is correct IMHO. Unless we dismiss Shaka's statement as a lie at worst or as gamesmanship at best, the decision on when Kolek plays next is all part of a risk/reward calculus.

From the moment Shaka and his players walked out of the arena following the loss to Michigan State, they were laser-focused on winning the 2023-24 national championship. It doesn't mean they don't want to win the BET. Of course they do. But they have spoken pretty often about this season being about something bigger.

Bottom line: I'll be surprised if TK plays tonight, and I wouldn't blame Shaka and the other decision-makers one iota for that risk/reward call.

Looking forward to winning tonight without him, and winning the next 6 games with him!

And you are saying you don’t get that crap can happen at any point to any player. People get hurt and can get hurt on any play so if you are in the hold a healthy player back camp then you should do that with every one of them.

His playing or not has nothing to do with Risk/reward. He hasn’t been medically cleared which means he hasn’t been able to show he can maintain stability or lack of pain statically or throughout his range of motion.

If they have cleared or will clear him to play indicates the injury has healed enough that there is stability and no pain    throughout his range of motion. Also likely presents a “clean MRI”. None of that means he won’t reinjury himself and  in other sports it is common for players to do that in same year or the next year.    If they clear him to play, he can play and 5 days isn’t going to make him any less susceptible to reinjury. The five days may help him get medically cleared but it is statistically irrelevant to reinjury.

Just because that goes over your head doesn’t mean I need to be a Dr.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 16, 2024, 03:10:46 PM
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek  ;)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 16, 2024, 03:11:34 PM
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek  ;)

Gavitt (mind) Games.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wisblue on March 16, 2024, 03:15:33 PM
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek  ;)

Of course they would say that. If it turns out they were being deceptive what are they going to do, revoke their bid?

I assume Kolek will not play tonight.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 16, 2024, 03:57:54 PM
Not sure if anyone was watching the CBS break between B99 games, but Dan Gavitt (SVP NCAA hoops) said Marquette and Kansas have kept in communication with the committee and assured them all 3 injured players would be playing next week

If course no insight on a few hours from now.  But  I'd put money on no kolek  ;)

If you are going technical he actually said “without restrictions”. So he could have some of those today…
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 16, 2024, 04:21:02 PM
I trust the Marquette dentists, hey?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 16, 2024, 04:25:36 PM
I trust the Marquette dentists, hey?

Hard no
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 16, 2024, 04:31:03 PM
Kolek out
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 16, 2024, 04:33:04 PM
Kolek out

Thanks for the info. No surprise to me.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 16, 2024, 04:34:12 PM
Kolek out
Are you just sitting there constantly refreshing twitter to be first or what damn
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 04:38:02 PM
Kolek out
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 16, 2024, 04:42:20 PM
It's time for Jop to put up a 30 piece with 6 triples. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 04:51:11 PM
And you are saying you don’t get that crap can happen at any point to any player. People get hurt and can get hurt on any play so if you are in the hold a healthy player back camp then you should do that with every one of them.

His playing or not has nothing to do with Risk/reward. He hasn’t been medically cleared which means he hasn’t been able to show he can maintain stability or lack of pain statically or throughout his range of motion.

If they have cleared or will clear him to play indicates the injury has healed enough that there is stability and no pain    throughout his range of motion. Also likely presents a “clean MRI”. None of that means he won’t reinjury himself and  in other sports it is common for players to do that in same year or the next year.    If they clear him to play, he can play and 5 days isn’t going to make him any less susceptible to reinjury. The five days may help him get medically cleared but it is statistically irrelevant to reinjury.

Just because that goes over your head doesn’t mean I need to be a Dr.

If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?

The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.

Kolek out

Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.

Now let's go beat UConn without him!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 05:01:11 PM
If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?

The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.

Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.

Now let's go beat UConn without him!

Kolek is out
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 16, 2024, 05:02:11 PM
https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Stevie hurting.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: DJO's Jaw on March 16, 2024, 05:04:17 PM
https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Stevie hurting.

Not surprised after the beating he was allowed to take these last two games
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 05:13:58 PM
The Fox Sports studio crew just said a minute ago that Shaka told them Kolek has been reminding him all day that he's OK and ready to go but that Shaka said he won't play. "He'll be ready next week, though."

If that's true, if we believe Shaka, it would appear that he and the other decision-makers have made the same risk/reward decision that many of us have said we'd make.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 16, 2024, 05:14:30 PM
If you are going technical he actually said “without restrictions”. So he could have some of those today…

Technically, Kolek out  ;D
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 16, 2024, 05:48:07 PM
If his playing or not has nothing to do with risk/reward, why did Shaka say Kolek would have played this past Thursday if it were the national championship game but that he wouldn't play Thursday because it was "just" a BET game?

The rest of your comment is either silliness - wrap them all in bubble wrap because a guy can get hurt crossing the street! - or speculation regarding stuff you have no clue about.

Common sense, plain and simple. And - admittedly just speculation here - if it were an NCAA tournament game, he'd have given it a go.

Now let's go beat UConn without him!
Coach marketing his guy.  Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared.  That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward.  Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy. 

The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.
 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 16, 2024, 05:51:08 PM
Are you not understanding that we all would love both, but we're unwilling to possibly sacrifice Kolek for the ncaa to win the BET?

I understand the second part.  I'm not sure about the first part given how many people have described it as meaningless or nothing to gain
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 16, 2024, 06:27:49 PM
With Stevie being unable to move his left arm, he shouldn’t be playing either. Bigger fish to fry this month.

Coach marketing his guy.  Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared.  That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward.  Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy. 

The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.
 

Of course you treat a healthy player who is coming off missing 2+ weeks of time due to injury differently than a healthy guy who hasn’t been injured at all this year. There’s a reason there are minutes restrictions on players returning from injury.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 16, 2024, 06:40:38 PM
Coach marketing his guy.  Protecting a seed line by making it appear the guy is day to day and likely to play in the tournament. Lots of reasons can explain why he said it. Tyler couldn’t play because he hasn’t been medically cleared.  That’s the part you keep missing. He isn’t medically cleared to play so it hasn’t nothing to do with risk/reward.  Shaka has said that after each game Tyler wants to play but not medically cleared so obviously he isn’t fully healthy. 

The silliness is your lack of understanding of basic concepts and treating a healthy player different than other healthy players.

OK, Dr. Boy.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: BallBoy on March 16, 2024, 06:53:49 PM
With Stevie being unable to move his left arm, he shouldn’t be playing either. Bigger fish to fry this month.

Of course you treat a healthy player who is coming off missing 2+ weeks of time due to injury differently than a healthy guy who hasn’t been injured at all this year. There’s a reason there are minutes restrictions on players returning from injury.

I think we are aligned. If the player is healthy enough to play you play them even if that means minute restrictions. If they aren’t then don’t.

There is a reason Stevie is out there with a bum shoulder and Kolek is not. It isn’t because he thought he could but coach said we need you for the round of 64. We need Stevie, Chase and Kolek just as much to get to sweet 16.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 16, 2024, 08:23:57 PM
Marquette Wounded Eagles
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 16, 2024, 08:25:50 PM
https://x.com/road2thegarden/status/1769115487164592301?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Stevie hurting.
Why did he play? What about the risk of aggravating it?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: WolfganghisKhan on March 16, 2024, 08:26:23 PM
Hurt vs injured
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 16, 2024, 08:28:42 PM
Why did he play? What about the risk of aggravating it?

He’s tougher than you
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 16, 2024, 08:35:16 PM
Shaka, post game:  (Stevie) is a warrior.  He has a lot of physical issues.  He will likely play next game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Johnny B on March 16, 2024, 08:39:04 PM
Shaka, post game:  (Stevie) is a warrior.  He has a lot of physical issues.  He will likely play next game.
“likely” yikes
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Lennys Tap on March 16, 2024, 08:40:55 PM
“likely” yikes

They’ll have to put him in a body cast to keep him off the court. Kid’s a warrior.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: NickelDimer on March 16, 2024, 08:41:52 PM
Not at all worried about Stevie not playing. Can’t say I’m not worried about how the injury will affect him though.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 16, 2024, 08:42:03 PM
That was Shaka's inference.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 16, 2024, 10:46:11 PM
I'm a little concerned tk isn't cleared yet. "cleared" feels like a low bar vs "effective." Maybe I'm just being a rainy day person given today's result.

That was Shaka's inference.

Also concerning. Really hope these next few days bring good rest and fast healing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CTWarrior on March 17, 2024, 06:36:06 AM
I'm a little concerned tk isn't cleared yet. "cleared" feels like a low bar vs "effective." Maybe I'm just being a rainy day person given today's result.

Also concerning. Really hope these next few days bring good rest and fast healing.

You're not the only one.  They're saying all the things they would say if they believed he was playing come tournament time, but also what they would be saying if he wasn't or they weren't sure but wanted to protect our seeding.

I hope he's cleared for game 1, because we will need him to shake the rust off.

The thing about this team (and this surprises me because I wouldn't have thought so after he got hurt) is that we could possibly make the Sweet 16 without him, which would give him another week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 17, 2024, 06:57:05 AM
He's good, hey?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 17, 2024, 08:13:28 AM
nm
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: marqfan22 on March 17, 2024, 08:17:03 AM
I take back my original negative post about Ben Gold. He’s been terrific lately and has a high ceiling.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 17, 2024, 08:49:51 AM
I take back my original negative post about Ben Gold. He’s been terrific lately and has a high ceiling.

And I take back all the terrible things I said about my least favorite scooper. He's a very stable genius.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 17, 2024, 09:08:03 AM
I take back my original negative post about Ben Gold. He’s been terrific lately and has a high ceiling.

Darn. I put my post on Gold in the wrong thread. Just moved it. Sorry 'bout that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 17, 2024, 07:01:10 PM
In retrospect and after seeing tonight's bracket reveal, Shaka did the absolute correct thing by sittin' Fook 'Em, aina?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 17, 2024, 07:01:56 PM
In retrospect and after seeing tonight's bracket reveal, Shaka did the absolute correct thing by sittin' Fook 'Em, aina?

Dung Willie disagrees
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 17, 2024, 07:02:29 PM
Huh, hey?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU1in77 on March 17, 2024, 08:29:16 PM
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 17, 2024, 08:32:04 PM
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.

Shaka literally said he's expected to play Friday...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 17, 2024, 08:36:32 PM
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.

You’re most definitely wrong.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 17, 2024, 08:39:31 PM
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.

He's playing Friday.  Book it. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Daniel on March 17, 2024, 08:42:03 PM
Shaka literally said he's expected to play Friday...


He also said he will go through drills tepursdsyvi think and if that goes well will be in uniform Friday
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PJDunn on March 17, 2024, 09:05:55 PM
Shaka was quite clear… Tyler might play on Friday… might.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 17, 2024, 09:24:53 PM
drills tepursdsyvi

That sounds like a very difficult drill. Difficult to pronounce, anyway!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 17, 2024, 09:36:51 PM
Shaka was quite clear… Tyler might play on Friday… might.

Why would he say anything different?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: THRILLHO on March 17, 2024, 09:53:53 PM

He also said he will go through drills tepursdsyvi think and if that goes well will be in uniform Friday
He's going to do the drills tepursdsyvi in ugg boots and if that goes well he'll play Friday, nyet?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 17, 2024, 10:53:40 PM
I'm shocked at how difficult a time some are having parsing Shaka's words. Kolek will play this Friday unless he has a setback ramping back up in practice this week.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 18, 2024, 03:52:07 AM
I'm shocked at how difficult a time some are having parsing Shaka's words. Kolek will play this Friday unless he has a setback ramping back up in practice this week.
He better not practice. Might have an aggravation.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on March 18, 2024, 07:45:20 AM
Marquette basketball coach Shaka Smart delivers zinger to CBS Sports Network host after Tyler Kolek question

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/17/shaka-smart-delivers-zinger-to-jon-rothstein-on-tyler-kolek-injury/73012991007/
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 18, 2024, 08:30:11 AM
Marquette basketball coach Shaka Smart delivers zinger to CBS Sports Network host after Tyler Kolek question

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/17/shaka-smart-delivers-zinger-to-jon-rothstein-on-tyler-kolek-injury/73012991007/

In light of all of the talk up-thread about Shaka saying, "he'll be in uniform..." I think it is worth pointing out that Shaka's first statement after that zinger was, "We'll plan on him playing on Friday." He then added some caveats about how things need to go as expected, but the initial answer was that they were planning on TyKo playing.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 18, 2024, 08:34:47 AM
I'm expecting him to play. I'm also expecting it to sound more vague than it is as our potential second round matchups are probably scouting us right now and devoting even some time to prepping for a Kolek-less MU helps.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 18, 2024, 08:48:41 AM
In a presser yesterday (https://youtu.be/P8THDjjHMDs?si=6DldpwxJq_jKSyox) Shaka mentioned that they got back from NYC late Saturday night and that he saw TyKo at the Al and asked him what he was doing there. TyKo was in to work on his ball handling. Late Saturday night. After returning from NYC.

Man, I want this kid to play Friday in Indianapolis. And Sunday. And in Dallas. And Phoenix.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 18, 2024, 10:11:49 AM
Marquette basketball coach Shaka Smart delivers zinger to CBS Sports Network host after Tyler Kolek question

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/17/shaka-smart-delivers-zinger-to-jon-rothstein-on-tyler-kolek-injury/73012991007/

Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 18, 2024, 10:12:46 AM
Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?

Rothstein wanted Kolek scoop and Shaka said “would you like me to tell you now, or every day this week when you text me asking.”
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on March 18, 2024, 10:13:51 AM
Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?

You don't need a subscription...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Miss Katie’s on March 18, 2024, 10:18:50 AM
Help me out here please. I do not have a subscription. What was the zinger?

https://x.com/cbssportscbb/status/1769529135922135482?s=46&t=6KAgXUvazduj9PbqHcKhGQ
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2024, 10:26:26 AM
Rothstein inquired about Kolek's availability for Friday...

"Can I answer now or should I wait for you every day to text me between now and then," Smart asked Rothstein.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2024, 10:27:12 AM
In a presser yesterday (https://youtu.be/P8THDjjHMDs?si=6DldpwxJq_jKSyox) Shaka mentioned that they got back from NYC late Saturday night and that he saw TyKo at the Al and asked him what he was doing there. TyKo was in to work on his ball handling. Late Saturday night. After returning from NYC.

Man, I want this kid to play Friday in Indianapolis. And Sunday. And in Dallas. And Phoenix.

Well then. That's interesting. I had convinced myself that he had to have his oblique surgically removed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 18, 2024, 10:34:45 AM
Well then. That's interesting. I had convinced myself that he had to have his oblique surgically removed.

He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger and 58% lighter than a human oblique.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 18, 2024, 10:54:40 AM
Well then. That's interesting. I had convinced myself that he had to have his oblique surgically removed.
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 18, 2024, 10:57:25 AM
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?

Because you don't have to call your coach to go get shots up on your own.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 18, 2024, 10:57:36 AM
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?

Working on ballhandling is not practicing. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 18, 2024, 10:58:25 AM
Working on ballhandling is not practicing.

#nocontext
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2024, 10:58:35 AM
He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger and 58% lighter than a human oblique.

*terminator salvation drum noise*

Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?

We're sitting in here—he's supposed to be the franchise player, and we're in here talking about practice!?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 18, 2024, 10:59:28 AM
#nocontext

 ;D

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 18, 2024, 11:18:42 AM
Looks like someone drew up a contract for Tyler.

(https://i.redd.it/qj4y29fnm4m91.jpg)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 18, 2024, 11:21:10 AM
He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger and 58% lighter than a human oblique.

While this is great news, I noticed that you did not list sources for your weights as shown in percentages.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2024, 11:32:52 AM
Can someone run over to The Al and slip an Apple Air Tag in Tyler's bag so Scoop can track his travels (or not) to Indy on FlightAware? 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 18, 2024, 11:35:30 AM
Tyler will play this week. Just one caveat: he’s unable to pass the ball.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 18, 2024, 12:01:27 PM
While this is great news, I noticed that you did not list sources for your weights as shown in percentages.

He did. He has a prosthetic. It's bionic and made of carbon fiber. It's 73% stronger* and 58% lighter** than a human oblique.

Sources:
*Thin air
**My ass


Satisfied?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 18, 2024, 12:02:11 PM
Tyler will play this week. Just one caveat: he’s unable to pass the ball.

So he's Markus Howard?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 18, 2024, 12:19:13 PM
Sources:
*Thin air
**My ass


Satisfied?

That'll do.  :D
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mug644 on March 18, 2024, 12:19:55 PM
Working on ballhandling is not practicing.

"We're talkin' about ball handling, man. We ain't talking about practice, we talkin' about ball handling."

So he's Markus Howard?


LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 18, 2024, 12:23:42 PM
"We're talkin' about ball handling, man. We ain't talking about practice, we talkin' about ball handling."
 

LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?

Instead of Tyler? Worsen. If you put Soph-senior Markus over Kam it may increase our odds (not a slight on Kam at all) but I don't think Markus' soph-senior game fits on a team like this that's predicated on ball sharing. He's probably be most useful as a freshman when he was an unbelievably efficient spot up shooter with lower usage.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2024, 12:24:59 PM
"We're talkin' about ball handling, man. We ain't talking about practice, we talkin' about ball handling."
 

LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?

Markus had an assist rate of 26.2 and 27.2 his last 2 years at Marquette.  With Tyler out, Kam’s 17.2 is the best of the healthy players.  Markus would be a massive improvement from a passing standpoint if Tyler couldn’t go
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 18, 2024, 12:30:07 PM
LOL! But it raises an interesting twist on a past subject. How about if MU-era Markus plays in the tournament instead of TyKo? Would it improve or worsen our odds for winning it all?

My comment was 100% sarcastic.  Markus was a great team player.  First two years, he blended well.  The last two years, I blame Wojo for.

Markus Howard deserved so much better than being coached by Wojo.

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 18, 2024, 05:28:23 PM
Here's a hype video that someone put together for the tournament. Right at the beginning is the video from yesterday's viewing party where Tyler yelled "I'M BACK!"

He's ready to go.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteAddict/status/1769834591504740815?t=GfbbKoLqbM1ApB-Bg17m2g&s=19
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 18, 2024, 05:40:11 PM
So he's Markus Howard?
Now that....was clever
Or Joplin when he is trying to post up down low
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: mugrad_89 on March 18, 2024, 07:53:21 PM
Here's a hype video that someone put together for the tournament. Right at the beginning is the video from yesterday's viewing party where Tyler yelled "I'M BACK!"

He's ready to go.


https://twitter.com/MarquetteAddict/status/1769834591504740815?t=GfbbKoLqbM1ApB-Bg17m2g&s=19

Love it - LFG!!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 18, 2024, 08:13:02 PM
Ask Saltan or Reeker about the Kolek thing. They both profess to have all the answers. How does him practicing without Shaka knowing even happen right after a game that he was not "cleared" for?
You need a burger
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 18, 2024, 08:17:30 PM
Here's a hype video that someone put together for the tournament. Right at the beginning is the video from yesterday's viewing party where Tyler yelled "I'M BACK!"

He's ready to go.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteAddict/status/1769834591504740815?t=GfbbKoLqbM1ApB-Bg17m2g&s=19
I don't know looked like AI
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 18, 2024, 08:49:11 PM
I really really hope I’m wrong but I think Tyler is done for the season.

Pants pissing champion!!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 19, 2024, 05:32:43 AM
You need a burger
Thank you. Love burgers, and chili. I'll take a bowl plrase.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TVDirector on March 20, 2024, 08:01:12 AM
Nice USA Today piece on TK
https://apple.news/AJeQJlzFeQQOsx1vGrW0mXQ
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 20, 2024, 08:17:03 AM
Nice USA Today piece on TK
https://apple.news/AJeQJlzFeQQOsx1vGrW0mXQ

Nice to see him getting some coverage. Honestly have to wonder whether that was an AI generated article.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2024, 02:46:18 PM
In news sure to excite Dung Willie, Tyler has been full go at practice this week
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 20, 2024, 02:55:48 PM
Kolek Update:  Getting that NIL $

https://x.com/kolektyler/status/1770531909019345303?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: gmhfordham1015 on March 20, 2024, 02:57:29 PM
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20


Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2024, 02:58:24 PM
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20


Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024

I'm concerned that Shaka is just saying this for show.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tha Hound on March 20, 2024, 02:59:49 PM
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20


Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024

We back
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2024, 03:03:01 PM
Whoa baby. Look out.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 20, 2024, 03:04:22 PM
Kolek Update:  Getting that NIL $

https://x.com/kolektyler/status/1770531909019345303?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

What say fashion correspondent Kam about this?!?!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Judge Smails on March 20, 2024, 03:06:36 PM
But he didn’t say how he has practiced. Is TK as good as he has ever been?  Teel, kind of
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 20, 2024, 03:08:56 PM
But he didn’t say how he has practiced. Is TK as good as he has ever been?  Teel, kind of
I christen thee....the crying wasp.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2024, 03:09:55 PM
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20


Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024
(https://c.tenor.com/8PJYOgCNVzgAAAAd/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: pbiflyer on March 20, 2024, 03:10:07 PM
No mention of Stevie or Oso? Doom.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on March 20, 2024, 03:11:49 PM
willie still thinks something's fishy.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 20, 2024, 03:12:05 PM
Stevie can only contact TKo with one hand, so it is safer.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2024, 03:21:35 PM
Stevie can only contact TKo with one hand, so it is safer.

Well played.

But also, hoping we get a bit more of an update on Stewie.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2024, 03:22:09 PM
(https://c.tenor.com/8PJYOgCNVzgAAAAd/tenor.gif)

I've missed this one (does someone have the marquette uniformed version that was floating around reddit?)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: bradforster on March 20, 2024, 03:22:59 PM
No mention of Stevie or Oso? Doom.

Why would they be mentioned?  They are full practice participants ready to roll on Friday.  There was never one shred of doubt surrounding these two young men.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Pakuni on March 20, 2024, 03:29:28 PM
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20


Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024

Yeah, but what are they doing to prepare him for the never-before-seen pressure of Western Kentucky?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on March 20, 2024, 03:32:01 PM
I've missed this one (does someone have the marquette uniformed version that was floating around reddit?)

https://x.com/painttouches/status/1770538490037440600?s=46
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 20, 2024, 03:32:24 PM
I christen thee....the crying wasp.
This is high quality.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 20, 2024, 03:33:19 PM
Yeah, but what are they doing to prepare him for the never-before-seen pressure of Western Kentucky?
Western Kentucky needs to be feared due to their use of the transfer portal.  All of those players on their roster from high major schools make them a far better team than the one that lost 4 straight to finish .500 in CUSA.   Portal, by definition, is better and cooler.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2024, 03:33:33 PM
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1770538490037440600?s=46

Yessssss.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: wadesworld on March 20, 2024, 03:34:22 PM
Now all that's left to do is make a run.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 20, 2024, 03:34:42 PM
Why would they be mentioned?  They are full practice participants ready to roll on Friday.  There was never one shred of doubt surrounding these two young men.
Suffering from severe humor deficiency? It may be life threatening and you should seek medical treatment immediately.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 20, 2024, 03:38:47 PM
This is high quality.
Not one that is frequently used in the Caddyshack pantheon.  Slightly bastardized.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 20, 2024, 03:57:39 PM
https://x.com/BenSteeleMJS/status/1770536467929903322?s=20


Ben Steele
@BenSteeleMJS
Shaka Smart said today that Tyler Kolek has practiced fully this week, five-on-five full court. Full contact. #mubb
3:42 PM · Mar 20, 2024

Time to kick some azz!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 20, 2024, 03:59:26 PM
Not one that is frequently used in the Caddyshack pantheon.  Slightly bastardized.
That's why it was perfect
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 20, 2024, 04:49:15 PM
Well played.

But also, hoping we get a bit more of an update on Stewie.

Practicing free throws underhanded.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 20, 2024, 05:18:53 PM
willie still thinks something's fishy.
Right. He should be held out so he doesn't aggravate it. The Kolek Principle.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2024, 05:23:25 PM
Right. He should be held out so he doesn't aggravate it. The Kolek Principle.

The Willie Principle can’t spell or do basic math
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2024, 05:29:18 PM
The Willie Principle can’t spell or do basic math

The Willie principle sounds like an algorithmic calculation for a d*ick measuring event. Which is on-brand for Scoop.

And still makes more sense than any of the nicknames willie has made for Marquette players.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 05:44:14 PM
LET'S GOOOOO!!!  Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuMark on March 20, 2024, 05:46:09 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/20/tyler-kolek-had-full-contact-practice-this-week-before-ncaa-tournament/73038277007/
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jockey on March 20, 2024, 05:57:31 PM
LET'S GOOOOO!!!  Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack!!!!!!!

Bomb the crap out of them and execute any survivors.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUEng92 on March 20, 2024, 06:22:53 PM
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Oregon Warrior on March 20, 2024, 06:35:18 PM
If you watch Marquette’s most recent Insta post, Kolek throws a pocket pass to Oso who goes up for a 5’ push shot. When he lands, it looks like he’s reluctant to put weight on his left knee. Admittedly, it’s a quick clip so it’s far from definitive. Hope he’s ok and ready to go.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 20, 2024, 06:45:32 PM
Right. He should be held out so he doesn't aggravate it. The Kolek Principle.
We all hope you are held out of this site until you are 100% better. The Dung Principle.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2024, 06:53:56 PM
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?

Hair removal
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 20, 2024, 07:02:59 PM
A quick Google search indicates that laser treatment can be used for muscle aches, strains, tendonitis, repetitive movement injuries.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 20, 2024, 07:21:45 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/20/tyler-kolek-had-full-contact-practice-this-week-before-ncaa-tournament/73038277007/

Kolek looked himself. Well, I sure hope so who else is he going to look like.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Pakuni on March 20, 2024, 07:38:20 PM
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?

Improving his vision.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 07:40:03 PM
Bomb the crap out of them and execute any survivors.

Why so belligerent Jockey?   All I'm saying is we need to go downhill and pound the paint.  Execute zip passes and drop dimes all over the freaking place.  Drain the three ball and suffocate them defensively.   Stop  taking everything literally and protecting despots as well. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2024, 07:42:12 PM
Why so belligerent Jockey?   All I'm saying is we need to go downhill and pound the paint.  Execute zip passes and drop dimes all over the freaking place.  Drain the three ball and suffocate them defensively.   Stop  taking everything literally and protecting despots as well.

I think he was right on this one.

Its time to eliminate all forms of life in our path
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 07:46:48 PM
I think he was right on this one.

Its time to eliminate all forms of life in our path

Well when I use hyperbole some Scoopers go bonkers.  Or, they cry about my belief that we should have introduced Putin and others to darkness years ago.  Then they have the audacity to use my verbiage.  :)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 20, 2024, 07:55:56 PM
That video… I see two injured guys. Hope Tyler & Oso can tough it out.  Sh1t
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 07:56:05 PM
How's Stevie's shoulder?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Boone on March 20, 2024, 07:57:07 PM
About time all manatees, black bears and every other wildlife creature is introduced to darkness!! Let’s go!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: nyg on March 20, 2024, 07:58:55 PM
Well when I use hyperbole some Scoopers go bonkers.  Or, they cry about my belief that we should have introduced Putin and others to darkness years ago.  Then they have the audacity to use my verbiage.  :)

Like these?

Attack, attack attack
Play with violence
Grab the rock
Clean the glass
Drain the three ball
Dish some dimes
Be a lock down defender
Go medival
Get some kiss the sky jumpers
Pound the paint
Hope they make some coin
Let’s win a natty
Will he have a cup of coffee in the league

Keep them coming Muggs.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2024, 08:04:25 PM
How's Stevie's shoulder?

In the MJS article he said good. He will wear the brace as a precaution but felt good in practice.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 08:11:36 PM
About time all manatees, black bears and every other wildlife creature is introduced to darkness!! Let’s go!

Let's not impose human issues on some of our great animal species.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 08:12:15 PM
Like these?

Attack, attack attack
Play with violence
Grab the rock
Clean the glass
Drain the three ball
Dish some dimes
Be a lock down defender
Go medival
Get some kiss the sky jumpers
Pound the paint
Hope they make some coin
Let’s win a natty
Will he have a cup of coffee in the league

Keep them coming Muggs.

LFG!!!!! 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Boone on March 20, 2024, 08:20:55 PM
 They all must go. The more endangered the better!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2024, 08:54:11 PM
If you watch Marquette’s most recent Insta post, Kolek throws a pocket pass to Oso who goes up for a 5’ push shot. When he lands, it looks like he’s reluctant to put weight on his left knee. Admittedly, it’s a quick clip so it’s far from definitive. Hope he’s ok and ready to go.

Where is this? Not seeing it on IG.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CountryRoads on March 20, 2024, 09:02:43 PM
Where is this? Not seeing it on IG.

https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1770578388626928029?s=46
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2024, 09:05:03 PM
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1770578388626928029?s=46

Thanks. Hopefully just protecting it a bit.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2024, 10:22:51 PM
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?

Jewish Space Laser...highly effective for leg contusions. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: jficke13 on March 20, 2024, 10:34:19 PM
Don’t see it. Y’all are jumping at shadows.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2024, 10:34:59 PM
Don’t see it. Y’all are jumping at shadows.

Agreed.

And he was walking just fine in the vid
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 20, 2024, 10:59:11 PM
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/0ce3aa31ff65fe855c5e32ab6fff8140/tumblr_pfkcj4ZSeo1u8kt7do3_640.gif)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2024, 11:04:23 PM
Agreed.

And he was walking just fine in the vid

I really hope you guys are right. It seems obvious to me. Hopping a few times on that right foot does not seem natural.

Though if it really were a sign of injury, you think MU would definitely not post that.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 20, 2024, 11:07:29 PM
Like these?

Attack, attack attack
Play with violence
Grab the rock
Clean the glass
Drain the three ball
Dish some dimes
Be a lock down defender
Go medival
Get some kiss the sky jumpers
Pound the paint
Hope they make some coin
Let’s win a natty
Will he have a cup of coffee in the league

Keep them coming Muggs.
Sounds like Woj cuddle
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Its DJOver on March 20, 2024, 11:16:14 PM
Sounds like Woj cuddle

And somehow despite Wojo huddles being despised by all, Muggsy posts are applauded by some. Makes you think…
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MuggsyB on March 20, 2024, 11:20:50 PM
And somehow despite Wojo huddles being despised by all, Muggsy posts are applauded by some. Makes you think…

Maybe I'm not the problem?  Nor is there a comparison between Wojo saying "fight" every huddle and some of my phrases. Some of you are unhinged and insecure. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2024, 11:33:34 PM
We watched Oso punch his shoulder back into place against Illinois.

He's playing, and probably playing almost 40 minutes if needed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 21, 2024, 12:38:50 AM
That video… I see two injured guys. Hope Tyler & Oso can tough it out.  Sh1t

Marquette has the wussiest fans...
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 21, 2024, 05:12:13 AM
What is the lasering treatment Chase mentioned?

Unfortunate tattoo. He really regrets it and doesn’t want it visible on one shining moment. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2024, 07:26:49 AM
Marquette was the wussiest fans...

Yeah, you should read what people say in game threads
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 21, 2024, 08:45:18 AM
LFG!!!!!
Agree let’s get in the passing lanes and challenge every pass!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: willie warrior on March 21, 2024, 09:03:51 AM
Well when I use hyperbole some Scoopers go bonkers.  Or, they cry about my belief that we should have introduced Putin and others to darkness years ago.  Then they have the audacity to use my verbiage.  :)
Call Aaron Rodgers. He is an expert on darkness.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2024, 10:14:47 AM
Kolek: Grade 2 oblique strain. A 3-4 week injury. “It was definitely a struggle the first week. … I’m just thankful for the trainers and coaching staff. I’m ready to go.”
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2024, 11:43:24 AM
Kolek: Grade 2 oblique strain. A 3-4 week injury. “It was definitely a struggle the first week. … I’m just thankful for the trainers and coaching staff. I’m ready to go.”

Marquette/Shaka/Kolek did things the exact right way. I'm not sure whether or not TK really could have played last week if it were the national title game, as Shaka publicly claimed, but I am glad everybody used sound judgment and let the injury get healed.

Winning another Big East title wouldn't have been "nothing," but the risk simply didn't match the potential reward. I never thought he'd play last week, and I'm glad he didn't.

Sh!t's about to get real, and I'm glad our All-American is ready to rock & roll!

Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PJDunn on March 21, 2024, 11:47:54 AM
The BET was next to meaningless.. getting thru the 1st weekend is beyond meaningful. .
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 21, 2024, 12:16:27 PM
Kolek is back!  Drills a halfcourt shot at open practice.


https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
 (https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 21, 2024, 12:17:37 PM
Kolek is back!  Drills at halfcourt shot at open practice.


https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
 (https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)

Great, they clearly aren't taking this game seriously.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2024, 12:18:42 PM
Kolek is back!  Drills at halfcourt shot at open practice.


https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
 (https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)

Love it!

We'll take a couple of those before the halftime buzzer over these next 6 games. Won't need any at the final horn of any game.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on March 21, 2024, 12:19:50 PM
Kolek is back!  Drills at halfcourt shot at open practice.


https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19
 (https://twitter.com/KristinParisiMU/status/1770855083141366093?t=8JK4yJtb6f4JevPi5GUyKw&s=19)

Thank You That Is Awesome!!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Judge Smails on March 21, 2024, 12:36:16 PM
Seems like his oblique is still bothering him. He wouldn’t have started with the ball so low otherwise.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2024, 02:03:01 PM
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H

Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???

Has to be misspoken words, no?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 21, 2024, 02:14:06 PM
It's true, they grafted it to his oblique to provide a sort of protective shield.

You don't need your appendix, might as well make some use of it.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Oldgym on March 21, 2024, 02:34:35 PM
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H

Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???

Has to be misspoken words, no?

Next level mind games.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 21, 2024, 02:41:01 PM
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H

Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???

Has to be misspoken words, no?

He asked how the pain compared to having his appendix removed.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: NickelDimer on March 21, 2024, 02:41:59 PM
He asked how the pain compared to having his appendix removed.
He said I know you had your appendix out the other night…

Maybe he misspoke
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2024, 02:42:31 PM
Wait? Kolek had both kidneys, his liver and his heart removed?

So he'll only be able to play, what? 25-30 minutes?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: tower912 on March 21, 2024, 02:43:56 PM
Trevor Mbakwe would like a word.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 21, 2024, 02:50:10 PM
He had his appendix removed in August 2022.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on March 21, 2024, 03:06:02 PM
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H

Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???

Has to be misspoken words, no?

the funny looks that Oso and Kam exchange after that question are interesting

Is Kolek actually Chuck Norris?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2024, 03:08:30 PM
He had his appendix removed in August 2022.

What about his other appendix?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 21, 2024, 03:13:55 PM
What about his other appendix?

Removed the other night apparently.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 21, 2024, 03:15:28 PM
🎶 The appendix bone’s connected to the oblique bone … everybody sing! 🎶
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 21, 2024, 03:19:22 PM
He had his appendix removed in August 2022.

...and his Neuralink implanted 3 weeks ago. He only has to think about scoring a 3 pointer to make it happen regardless of where he is on the court.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 21, 2024, 06:32:02 PM
He was actually taking half court shots at end of open practice
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2024, 06:33:25 PM
He was actually taking half court shots at end of open practice

Poor use of practice time
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 21, 2024, 06:35:58 PM
Poor use of practice time
He did practice FTs!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 22, 2024, 01:40:00 AM
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2024, 02:07:14 AM
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth

I heard the same

Super ginger with his passes

But heaving half courters
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 1SE on March 22, 2024, 02:35:47 AM
I heard the same

Super ginger with his passes

But heaving half courters

#mindgames
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 22, 2024, 04:29:50 AM
The BET was next to meaningless.. getting thru the 1st weekend is beyond meaningful. .

Other than it securing MU a 2 seed
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Jay Bee on March 22, 2024, 07:56:53 AM
With my recent muscle injury, I could do some things fine — hammer a string forehand, run, etc. but certain movements — a deep backhand of the Pickleball, etc… would result in excruciating pain. I’m concerned about what we’re gonna see out there from our injured troops, but hoping for the best.

Give Tyler the best meds we’ve got
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2024, 08:06:39 AM
With my recent muscle injury, I could do some things fine — hammer a string forehand, run, etc. but certain movements — a deep backhand of the Pickleball, etc… would result in excruciating pain. I’m concerned about what we’re gonna see out there from our injured troops, but hoping for the best.

Give Tyler the best meds we’ve got

Did you have an injury and do you play pickleball?

Ive been unable to tell
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Pakuni on March 22, 2024, 08:24:05 AM
Other than it securing MU a 2 seed

And avoiding a dreaded matchup with Oakland.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Skatastrophy on March 22, 2024, 08:27:38 AM
Did you have an injury and do you play pickleball?

Ive been unable to tell

If they were a dentist they'd be insufferable
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 22, 2024, 08:53:31 AM
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2024, 08:54:23 AM
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on March 22, 2024, 08:54:31 AM
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H

Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???

Has to be misspoken words, no?
BTW, the reactions from Oso and Kam are fantastic
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 22, 2024, 09:00:42 AM
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?

Nicely done.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Miss Katie’s on March 22, 2024, 09:04:02 AM
Does this mean he only passed to Ben Gold?

Winner. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 22, 2024, 09:05:35 AM
https://youtu.be/oKTsQPy-mN4?si=GfAsk2p7g0xroc_H

Unless I am hearing things...Ben Steele at the 3:50 mark said that Tyler Kolek had his appendix out the other night???

Has to be misspoken words, no?

I saw somewhere it was a few years ago.

Also, Kam's response about putting the spin on the ball for layups was really interesting. His grandfather's hoop didn't have a rim, so when he was a kid, he'd throw the ball on the backboard and look at how it spun off different ways.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on March 22, 2024, 09:51:40 AM
He was actually taking half court shots at end of open practice

I saw this clip and it's not clear if the the shot that went in came out of Kolek's hands. I believe there was a second shooter.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUEng92 on March 22, 2024, 09:57:00 AM
I saw this clip and it's not clear if the the shot that went in came out of Kolek's hands. I believe there was a second shooter.
A little early in the tournament for Dallas references
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Oldgym on March 22, 2024, 09:58:01 AM
Well played, both of you
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: forgetful on March 22, 2024, 10:18:07 AM
I saw somewhere it was a few years ago.

Also, Kam's response about putting the spin on the ball for layups was really interesting. His grandfather's hoop didn't have a rim, so when he was a kid, he'd throw the ball on the backboard and look at how it spun off different ways.

Sounds like he is familiar with cracked sidewalks, a real Warrior.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: zcg2013 on March 22, 2024, 10:22:40 AM
https://twitter.com/MM_MBB_TV/status/1770999255303401529

Looks like this was filmed this week. At the 90 second mark, TK throws a dime. He's ready.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: PointWarrior on March 22, 2024, 10:30:16 AM
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth


My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Kolek barely hold up his ice cream cone at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 22, 2024, 10:38:06 AM
Anyone at the practice? I heard from someone that was that TK was a bit ginger with his passes - take it for what it's worth
Was at practice BS with ginger, Gooold Brick dung passes, was doing contact drills, see open practice report.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Newsdreams on March 22, 2024, 10:40:21 AM
With my recent muscle injury, I could do some things fine — hammer a string forehand, run, etc. but certain movements — a deep backhand of the Pickleball, etc… would result in excruciating pain. I’m concerned about what we’re gonna see out there from our injured troops, but hoping for the best.

Give Tyler the best meds we’ve got
I gave TK some excellent sinse after open practice, he smiled!
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: cheebs09 on March 22, 2024, 10:53:58 AM
https://twitter.com/MM_MBB_TV/status/1770999255303401529

Looks like this was filmed this week. At the 90 second mark, TK throws a dime. He's ready.

Goodness gracious I'm fired up.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on March 22, 2024, 10:55:45 AM
BTW, the reactions from Oso and Kam are fantastic

Absolutely hilarious
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: StillAWarrior on March 22, 2024, 03:35:04 PM
I would like to thank TyKo, Shaka, and the other "powers that be" for having the discipline to give Kolek the time to heal from his injury.

I'd like to recognize TyKo for seemingly being impervious to rust.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 22, 2024, 05:18:25 PM
I would like to thank those who either said or implied that Kolek was done for the season.

It’s great to have such valuable information available here.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: CTWarrior on March 23, 2024, 07:05:14 AM
Am I the only one who thought he looked inhibited by the injury?  He avoided contact so much as to not scrap after loose balls, and passed up several layups that would have required him to twist his torso toward the basket and instead kicked the ball out.  I think he is still hurting and that was a really gutsy performance.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MUfan12 on March 23, 2024, 07:26:24 AM
I wasn't watching him that closely, but if that was an inhibited performance that's incredible.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 23, 2024, 07:42:57 AM
I thought it a couple times on defense but then realized I was looking for it and never really watched Tyler that closely when he didn’t have the ball. Who knows but his output seemed just right. 
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on March 23, 2024, 08:02:37 AM
I didn’t notice anything regarding Kolek.  I did notice Oso seemed to be struggling and one instance where Chase was rubbing at his shoulder after contact.  I think they are both still hurting and trying to gut it out.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 23, 2024, 04:29:11 PM
Am I the only one who thought he looked inhibited by the injury?  He avoided contact so much as to not scrap after loose balls, and passed up several layups that would have required him to twist his torso toward the basket and instead kicked the ball out.  I think he is still hurting and that was a really gutsy performance.

The only thing my son and I noticed was that TK passed up some layups that it seemed he could have made. We were seated pretty high up, so I'm not sure how much torso-twisting would have been involved, and we also talked about him also doing that sometimes in other games long before he was injured.

So I don't know what to make of it, especially given the outstanding game he had.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 23, 2024, 04:57:06 PM

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Kolek barely hold up his ice cream cone at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

I know that girl, she denies it
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on March 23, 2024, 05:02:05 PM
Seriously, 39 pages of Scoop comments on Koleks condition on an injury less than 4 weeks ago. I can't remember a player in the last 2 decades making a bigger impact. Jimmy, Jae, Markus....all made a mark. Certainly after MU in NBA, but Kolek has really captured us.

Wade of course bigger than Kolek so I edited to last  2 decades.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: MU82 on March 23, 2024, 05:08:54 PM
Not sure there would have been 39 pages if Oso had suffered that exact same injury on the same day, with the same "will he or won't he" be able to play mystery. But I'm guessing it would have been pretty close.

We need both of them to be at or very near their best to get where we want this season to go. I'd have been surprised if there weren't this many pages.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 23, 2024, 05:13:14 PM
Not sure there would have been 39 pages if Oso had suffered that exact same injury on the same day, with the same "will he or won't he" be able to play mystery. But I'm guessing it would have been pretty close.

We need both of them to be at or very near their best to get where we want this season to go. I'd have been surprised if there weren't this many pages.

It could have been just one page if the Scoop doctors did not take over for the ones who are actually licensed to practice medicine but...I know, I know... this is Scoop.
Title: Re: Kolek Update
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 23, 2024, 07:31:05 PM
The only thing my son and I noticed was that TK passed up some layups that it seemed he could have made. We were seated pretty high up, so I'm not sure how much torso-twisting would have been involved, and we also talked about him also doing that sometimes in other games long before he was injured.

So I don't know what to make of it, especially given the outstanding game he had.

I thought the same. Though obviously it didn't seem to impede his performance much.