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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: jfp61 on April 19, 2022, 06:03:50 PM
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4 Star Top 100 Shooting Guard Zaide Lowery from Springfield, MO is Marquettes first 2023 Commit.
https://twitter.com/LoweryZaide/status/1516550930862333954?s=20&t=P-sp2pw9wc3k9R-_gJZWoA
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Fantastic News. Welcome Aboard Zaide.
Highlights:
https://twitter.com/LoweryZaide/status/1413895849965494286?cxt=HHwWnIC96ZmylZ8nAAAA
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Awesome!
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Welcome 2 Warrior Nation Zaide!
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Thanks JFP61…and for giving this great news its own thread (otherwise, hiding this light under a bushel)
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Great news! Kid looks the part already.
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Does his first name rhyme with...Wade?
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Have talked about Zaide in the recruiting threads.
He first came on the radar for some when he came off of the bench as a Sophomore in the State Semifinal game with 13 big points in 24 minutes in a win over Tarris Reed's team.
Missouri Flight AAU.
Different High School than Aminu Mohammed. Same geography.
Very good football wide receiver.
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Excellent pick up. Very excited about this one
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Awesome! Another great athlete.
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Sweet! He appears to have good length at the 2G and athleticism.
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How's his neck, hey?
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Welcome Zaide!
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Fantastic news!
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Welcome to MU, Mr. Lowery.
Gotta love Kickapoo.
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How's his neck, hey?
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Good Strong Neck. Will be able to build that body up to 215 220 over time.
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Fun fact ... Brad Pitt is a fellow Kickapoo Chief.
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Good Strong Neck. Will be able to build that body up to 215 220 over time.
;D
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Awesome. Welcome.
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Excellent work, Shaka!
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Welcome to MU family Zaide
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I can't seem to find any real highlights of Zaide.
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Welcome to MU family Zaide
Mozart-like
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I can't seem to find any real highlights of Zaide.
There isn't much out there. His Twitter page has a handful below.
https://twitter.com/LoweryZaide/status/1494908346973007874?t=Y7jefD_u05YzEHhVMkeMTw&s=19
https://twitter.com/LoweryZaide/status/1411813061040738307?t=JXHYQN_po2xdbaq8tNhxDw&s=19
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I can't seem to find any real highlights of Zaide.
From last week. Weird camera angle though:
https://twitter.com/NxtProHoops/status/1514413618623885318
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I can't seem to find any real highlights of Zaide.
This 31 point outburst is impressive
https://mobile.twitter.com/LoweryZaide/status/1413895849965494286?cxt=HHwWnIC96ZmylZ8nAAAA
Updated for better link
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From last week. Weird camera angle though:
https://twitter.com/NxtProHoops/status/1514413618623885318
Ty. He may be playing against scrubs but he seems to have a smooth and under control game. Very relaxed on his J's. I suppose some added strength and weight couldn't hurt.
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This film of Zaide is from April of 2022 at the Adidas Gauntlet in Indianapolis.
https://twitter.com/tammarag/status/1513001376862941188?cxt=HHwWiMC9yY2vof8pAAAA
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Ty. He may be playing against scrubs but he seems to have a smooth and under control game. Very relaxed on his J's. I suppose some added strength and weight couldn't hurt.
Reminds me of Kam Jones.
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Reminds me of Kam Jones.
Except Zaide can sky.
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Except Zaide can sky.
He also releases the shot much higher.
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Except Zaide can sky.
What's his EMV(Estimated Max Vert)???
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He also releases the shot much higher.
disagreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Welcome Zaide - scholarship table updated:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
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MU Wire with some new stuff with quotes from Zaide and his HS coach.
https://twitter.com/MUWireSports/status/1519000786742784002
Article:
https://marquettewire.org/4077292/sports/2023-recruit-zaide-lowery-talks-about-why-marquette-was-the-fit-for-him/
Audio:
https://soundcloud.com/marquette-radio/zaide-lowery-audio-story?utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing
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Recruiting sites a bit tardy in their updates on Zaide’s commitment... no concern, correct? They’re just bad at their job/hobby?
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Some of them will update if you send the news
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Recruiting sites a bit tardy in their updates on Zaide’s commitment... no concern, correct? They’re just bad at their job/hobby?
Thats just because there is no dedicated Marquette writer or insider on any of the main recruiting sites, that actually covers Marquette recruiting.
Dodds doesnt count, despite what he may think.
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Thats just because there is no dedicated Marquette writer or insider on any of the main recruiting sites, that actually covers Marquette recruiting.
Dodds doesnt count, despite what he may think.
The recruiting experts on these sites are unable to follow 150 players they have ranked during this time of year when verbal commitments are made? Something doesn’t smell right with that. Pure laziness. Hell if they make the easy move to follow their list of recruits on Twitter or instagram they would know instantly and could update their sites if they are any good and conscientious about their “hobby/job”.
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Thats just because there is no dedicated Marquette writer or insider on any of the main recruiting sites, that actually covers Marquette recruiting.
Dodds doesnt count, despite what he may think.
Dodds counts..... by ellipses....
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Recruiting sites a bit tardy in their updates on Zaide’s commitment... no concern, correct? They’re just bad at their job/hobby?
They do seem to be getting worse at both the evaluation portion, and keeping up with stuff. Rivals, 247, on3, etc.
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They do seem to be getting worse at both the evaluation portion, and keeping up with stuff. Rivals, 247, on3, etc.
I just don’t know how sustainable the model is anymore.
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With NIL a consideration could these “experts” start getting kick backs to increase certain players rankings?
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Those Marquette sites also have minimal subscribers, so Marquette doesnt make them any money. If the Marquette premium boards on those sites were as active as most other P6 schools the national writers would pay more attention to Marquette. Its annoying as a Marquette fan but not surprising.
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With NIL a consideration could these “experts” start getting kick backs to increase certain players rankings?
What was preventing that from happening before?
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What was preventing that from happening before?
Just more potential disposable income by players now if they are marketed right by their managers.
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With NIL a consideration could these “experts” start getting kick backs to increase certain players rankings?
Most definitely.
This is wide open, free market economy. Follow the money always.
Luckily the games are decided on the court, for now. There will be pressure on refs to see the high profile/paid teams do well. There already is but it will increase maybe a little, maybe a lot. This should help Big East teams.
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Thats just because there is no dedicated Marquette writer or insider on any of the main recruiting sites, that actually covers Marquette recruiting.
Dodds doesnt count, despite what he may think.
Fairfield and Albany much more active in the dedicated writer field. It’s ok… twitter don’t fib.
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Those Marquette sites also have minimal subscribers, so Marquette doesnt make them any money. If the Marquette premium boards on those sites were as active as most other P6 schools the national writers would pay more attention to Marquette. Its annoying as a Marquette fan but not surprising.
To be fair, that's partly MUScoop's fault. If you all would unsubscribe from our premium board (yes, this one, right here), you might have enough cash left to subscribe to the others...
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https://bvmsports.com/2022/05/20/marquette-commit-zaide-lowery-quickly-emerging-as-one-of-top-talents-in-missouri/
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https://bvmsports.com/2022/05/20/marquette-commit-zaide-lowery-quickly-emerging-as-one-of-top-talents-in-missouri/
Great article. I like how Zaire has worked his way up from JV to Varsity sub and now leader of the team. Bodes well for him working through the transition from high school to college ball.
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Zaide has decided to transfer to La Lumiere, in La Porte, IN for next season.
(This is the school to which Jaden Ivey transferred, from Marian near South Bend, before college…among others)
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Zaide has decided to transfer to La Lumiere, in La Porte, IN for next season.
(This is the school to which Jaden Ivey transferred, from Marian near South Bend, before college…among others)
Jordan Poole went there as well
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Jordan Poole went there as well
So did that kid with goggles for Depaul
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https://twitter.com/NxtProHoops/status/1530723380671959046?t=tRSuBDout-sd2s37P123XQ&s=19
Watch Zaide put on the burners for a steal and big finish
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So did that kid with goggles for Depaul
so did Desmond Polk before transferring to new Berlin west
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so did Desmond Polk before transferring to new Berlin west
Tiger Campbell as well?
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Tiger Campbell as well?
It's a very well known prep school for basketball. They have several NBA players amongst their alumni. One of them is playing in the Finals right now.
Also Jim Gaffigan's high school.
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It's a very well known prep school for basketball. They have several NBA players amongst their alumni. One of them is playing in the Finals right now.
Also Jim Gaffigan's high school.
I know several families who send their kids there. Very good school.
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Zaide has decided to transfer to La Lumiere, in La Porte, IN for next season.
(This is the school to which Jaden Ivey transferred, from Marian near South Bend, before college…among others)
I had German class in there as well.
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With Chase likely sidelined, this is the guy I want to see Marquette utilize. Chase benefitted from playing time last year. Would love to see Zaide get that opportunity with Chase out. I'm still convinced he will be really really good for us.
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With Chase likely sidelined, this is the guy I want to see Marquette utilize. Chase benefitted from playing time last year. Would love to see Zaide get that opportunity with Chase out. I'm still convinced he will be really really good for us.
He stinks
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Golden
Why? Do you know something the coaching staff does not or are you just throwing out hunches? I am not opposed to Shaka playing anyone, but guessing there is a reason he has gotten little playing time.
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Golden
Why? Do you know something the coaching staff does not or are you just throwing out hunches? I am not opposed to Shaka playing anyone, but guessing there is a reason he has gotten little playing time.
I just think he has the obvious skillset to replace Ross. He's big, athletic, and can shoot.
I saw Chase blossom into a much needed role player as a Freshman and would love to see Zaide get the opportunity to do the same while Chase is out. It is all about reaching peak potential and having another guy that can play 2-4 on offense and defend 1-4 on defense just gives them more versatility.
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Golden
Why? Do you know something the coaching staff does not or are you just throwing out hunches? I am not opposed to Shaka playing anyone, but guessing there is a reason he has gotten little playing time.
agreed
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Golden
You may be right, I just have not seen enough of him to make any judgement on him.
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Free Zaide!
He's able, but he's being Cained!
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Free Zaide!
He's able, but he's being Cained!
You're trespassing on Tower's property.
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Free Zaide!
He's able, but he's being Cained!
Jamal?
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I just think he has the obvious skillset to replace Ross. He's big, athletic, and can shoot.
25% eFg% fwiw
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25% eFg% fwiw
Is that statistically significant after playing limited minutes and even less with MUs better players? Not that granular with stats. Is this a real red flag for you JB?
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25% eFg% fwiw
On 11% usage. Hard to draw any conclusions when such a high percentage of your minutes are played in garbage time.
Zaide might end up being great... in a few years. I don't think he's ready to be a contributor on a top 15 team yet. Not a knock against him, as there are probably very few true Freshman that could be.
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25% eFg% fwiw
He's taken 10 total shots on the season in limited action. Prettiest looking shot on the team with some of the most athleticism 🤷♂️
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He's taken 10 total shots on the season in limited action. Prettiest looking shot on the team with some of the most athleticism 🤷♂️
Prettiest thing a shot can produce is points. He’s done that twice at this level
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Prettiest thing a shot can produce is points. He’s done that twice at this level
On 10 total shots. Talent is talent.
I'd love to see him get an opportunity.
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Prettiest thing a shot can produce is points. He’s done that twice at this level
If he keeps shooting, they’re bound to go in.
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Why does seemingly every other team have freshmen step up and have career games against MU but MU cannot do the same to them?
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Why does seemingly every other team have freshmen step up and have career games against MU but MU cannot do the same to them?
Because Marquette hasn't played their Freshman this season.
Chase and Sean had tremendous impact last year because they got a chance to play.
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Because Marquette hasn't played their Freshman this season.
Chase and Sean had tremendous impact last year because they got a chance to play.
Or did they play because they could make a tremendous impact?
It would be great if either Norman or Lowery could step up, but I haven't seen anything to say they're ready.
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With Chase likely sidelined, this is the guy I want to see Marquette utilize. Chase benefitted from playing time last year. Would love to see Zaide get that opportunity with Chase out. I'm still convinced he will be really really good for us.
I agree with your analysis. And I expect we will see some more Zaide if Chase is out for awhile. It would make sense that Chase was ahead of Zaide on the depth chart by sheer experience. Chase didn't have anyone ahead of him last year as far as being a sub. Zaide enters MU with Chase ahead of him.
I think Zaide has the highest ceiling of any player on the team. Time will tell.
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Because Marquette hasn't played their Freshman this season.
Chase and Sean had tremendous impact last year because they got a chance to play.
Who let them play last year…..
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He stinks
BO?
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BO?
Killed a dude in an AutoZone parking lot
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If he keeps shooting, they’re bound to go in.
That was my rec league motto
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Not a patient group. Try giving him a few seasons.
Basketball wasn’t even Zaide’s first sport. (football) He played a lot of basketball for about two years prior to Marquette. Shaka first saw him when he played well off of the bench in a state championship game as a Sophomore with and against higher profile players.
Olivier-Maxence Prosper played 216 minutes his Freshman season. He was 18/52 including 3 for 18 from 3. This was on a top 50 team.
Oso made 3 baskets his Freshman season while playing 38 minutes on the season. He missed some games with injury but he was available much of that season.
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He needs some custom navy colored footwear. Nobody would touch them. Because you can do what you want, but don't mess with those blue Zaide shoes.
Thank ya. Thank ya, vera much.
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Why does seemingly every other team have freshmen step up and have career games against MU but MU cannot do the same to them?
Is every other team ranked in the top 15 and the current BEAST Conf and Conf Tourney Champ?
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Why does seemingly every other team have freshmen step up and have career games against MU but MU cannot do the same to them?
Which games are you referring to
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Killed a dude in an AutoZone parking lot
After a massage
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He needs some custom navy colored footwear. Nobody would touch them. Because you can do what you want, but don't mess with those blue Zaide shoes.
Thank ya. Thank ya, vera much.
Don't be cruel.
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Zaide could be a solid replacement for chase on the defensive end. Not sure what happened to his offense. He was one of the most aggressive players in the preseason. Doesn't even touch the ball on offense in his limited meaningful minutes. Would love if he could find a consistent outside shot.
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Zaide could be a solid replacement for chase on the defensive end. Not sure what happened to his offense. He was one of the most aggressive players in the preseason. Doesn't even touch the ball on offense in his limited meaningful minutes. Would love if he could find a consistent outside shot.
With the team having three full days to prepare knowing that Ross wouldn't be available for tonight's game, it will be real interesting to see how Shaka uses Zaide and Tre.
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The game tonight is so important to Marquette's season. It should be a gimme (and the home crowd will contribute, obviously) but it's so crucial for the team to get back to their big three offense. Oso is playing well shooting 60 percent. I would like to see him power into defenses better. Less finesse. Put more pressure on the stiffs. Get the basket and one. Tyler is not the player we was last year. He's not having the drives for lay ups and the dishes he had last year. He will figure out how to move the ball and get the ball back to score when the drive isn't there. Kam is not shooting well and he's not getting the baseline lay ups. It's gut check time with Villanova and St. John's coming up next week. If MU does get a lead early and maintains a sizable lead I could see some on the freshman get more minutes. It would be a good thing. Amadou needs more time on the court to get ready for what will be necessary to compete in March. Chase Ross might be done (and I hope I'm wrong on that) so Norman and Lowery will have to contribute more. The team will bind together. They won't diviate from the system that made them successful last year. Their defensive pressure will have to get better. If you want to create havoc I think you need to press full court more. This team will get better. All that said, they need to regroup and find the will and determination they had earlier in the year. It all starts tonight and I will enjoy watching it.
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The game tonight is so important to Marquette's season. It should be a gimme (and the home crowd will contribute, obviously) but it's so crucial for the team to get back to their big three offense. Oso is playing well shooting 60 percent. I would like to see him power into defenses better. Less finesse. Put more pressure on the stiffs. Get the basket and one. Tyler is not the player we was last year. He's not having the drives for lay ups and the dishes he had last year. He will figure out how to move the ball and get the ball back to score when the drive isn't there. Kam is not shooting well and he's not getting the baseline lay ups. It's gut check time with Villanova and St. John's coming up next week. If MU does get a lead early and maintains a sizable lead I could see some on the freshman get more minutes. It would be a good thing. Amadou needs more time on the court to get ready for what will be necessary to compete in March. Chase Ross might be done (and I hope I'm wrong on that) so Norman and Lowery will have to contribute more. The team will bind together. They won't diviate from the system that made them successful last year. Their defensive pressure will have to get better. If you want to create havoc I think you need to press full court more. This team will get better. All that said, they need to regroup and find the will and determination they had earlier in the year. It all starts tonight and I will enjoy watching it.
Please, for the sweet love of God, use paragraphs.
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Vander. I understand and I will try to do better. I know some people don't want to read long opinions so I will refrain from writing a book to share my point of view. I get your point and when I do it again remind me. Sometimes I get carried away and just ramble on like a crazy basketball fan.
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Vander. I understand and I will try to do better. I know some people don't want to read long opinions so I will refrain from writing a book to share my point of view. I get your point and when I do it again remind me. Sometimes I get carried away and just ramble on like a crazy basketball fan.
It’s not the length - it’s the massive block of text. Just hit return a few times. :)
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If paragraphs start appearing, then it's not an oilcan post. Scoopers have distinct styles. Rocket and Rico for example. Just roll with it.
oilcan, you be you.
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He needs some custom navy colored footwear. Nobody would touch them. Because you can do what you want, but don't mess with those blue Zaide shoes.
Thank ya. Thank ya, vera much.
Well, it's one for the money two for the show
Three to get ready now go, cat, go
But don't you step on my blue Zaide shoes
Well you can do anything but
Lay off of my blue Zaide shoes.
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If paragraphs start appearing, then it's not an oilcan post. Scoopers have distinct styles. Rocket and Rico for example. Just roll with it.
oilcan, you be you.
It’s about the content, not the style.
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Hopin' Zaide's a hound dawg, aina?
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Kick off your shoes and get ready to dance tonight. The place will be rockin' and bouncing. It soothes my soul.
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Zaide has been awesome tonight. Thought Shaka should've gotten him earlier in the 2nd half.
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If paragraphs start appearing, then it's not an oilcan post. Scoopers have distinct styles. Rocket and Rico for example. Just roll with it.
oilcan, you be you.
I just don't read it.
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He was a little frantic to start but loved that he responded to a bad drive by going down the floor and ripping the ball away on the next possession. He has a high ceiling and we're going to need him to find it sooner rather than later.
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Shaka says he should have played Zaide more. Said he wanted to trust his veterans to respond. Says Zaide will be playing more moving forward
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Just curious, watching him last night, just right wrist is wrapped. Did Zaide suffer a wrist injury at some point this year?
I’m all for him playing more. Seems like he has a really high ceiling.
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Just curious, watching him last night, just right wrist is wrapped. Did Zaide suffer a wrist injury at some point this year?
I’m all for him playing more. Seems like he has a really high ceiling.
Most likely.
These guys try to make practice practive harder than games and lift hard. Stevie has had his wrapped some, Sean last year, Kam had it a time or 2. Typical wear and tear.
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Zaide now has the highest 3P% on the team 😅
More importantly I love the effort he brings defensively.
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I watched the post game and he is built like a truck. His arms are almost as big as my thighs.
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I watched the post game and he is built like a truck. His arms are almost as big as my thighs.
Is this your way of saying "I'm a scrawny little guy?"
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Zaide now has the highest 3P% on the team 😅
More importantly I love the effort he brings defensively.
He showed some brass nads knocking down those triple ripples.
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He showed some brass nads knocking down those triple ripples.
Hell yeah he did! Needed this badly at the time. Good for him.
Another 6’5” guy with playing experience when Chase gets back will be very valuable. Hate Sean’s injury but this playing time and experience will help later in the year this year and next.
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I watched the post game and he is built like a truck. His arms are almost as big as my thighs.
He's a solid athlete.
I think he's bigger than 6'5" too. If not his presence feels bigger than 6'5" which can be just as impactful.
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Shaka talks about how he moves. He is smooth. Keep progressing, young man.
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He showed some brass nads knocking down those triple ripples.
And his third attempt was pretty close-not bad at all (other than not rippling the nets.) Norman's basket looked even better on the replay. We're going to need them both with Sean and, for now, Chase N/A.
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And his third attempt was pretty close-not bad at all (other than not rippling the nets.) Norman's basket looked even better on the replay. We're going to need them both with Sean and, for now, Chase N/A.
Norman also had a really nice one handed pass. Teammate (Kam?) wasn't quite expecting it, started to leave the paint, then had to prevent a turnover.
With better chemistry, that could have been an assist and a layup.
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Norman also had a really nice one handed pass. Teammate (Kam?) wasn't quite expecting it, started to leave the paint, then had to prevent a turnover.
With better chemistry, that could have been an assist and a layup.
Yep. More of what we saw yesterday please from both frosh (but not the back-to-back fouls Tre!) Jeezus!
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It was nice to see any player on MU to make 2 threes in a row, he did it, impressive. For MU to win they need there secondary players make a few shots, even Stevie was more aggressive to the hoop, ended up with 10 points nice
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Shaka talks about he moves. He is smooth. Keep progressing, young man.
No doubt it's evident watching Zaide that he moves very fluidly and smooth. Highest upside on the team. Pretty evident after just seeing him play 5 minutes against Southern.
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Is this your way of saying "I'm a scrawny little guy?"
5'9" 162 lbs. Like most old guys a little bit of belly.
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5'9" 162 lbs. Like most old guys a little bit of belly.
6'1", 195 lbs. No belly (full disclosure-snoop is lying through his teeth about "no belly").
Yep. You're a scrawny little guy. ;D
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No doubt it's evident watching Zaide that he moves very fluidly and smooth. Highest upside on the team. Pretty evident after just seeing him play 5 minutes against Southern.
We know you're trying to claim Zaide as your "discovery." Congrats!
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No doubt it's evident watching Zaide that he moves very fluidly and smooth. Highest upside on the team. Pretty evident after just seeing him play 5 minutes against Southern.
Don't curse Zaide like this. We couldn't stop hearing about John Dawson against Grambling, don't ruin Zaide the same way.
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Smooth, effortless athleticism. That’s Zaide. Looks like slow motion but it’s not. Can’t wait til he gets full confidence on the court.
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We know you're trying to claim Zaide as your "discovery." Congrats!
You're welcome:
Totally agree and almost brought this up in original post, as while Chase is very athletic, it is a different kind of athletic - one I would suggest is the elite athleticism possessed by football players versus a basketball player. There is just a difference.
DJO is a good comp for Chase’s athleticism - both very athletic but I would say more in the straight line sense versus great lateral athleticism. Zaide has “pogo stick” type of athleticism..super quick off the ground.
I think Chase will be a very good player during his time at MU, but I don’t see superstar written all over him like I do Zaide. Hope I’m wrong on this though and that Chase does blossom into a full blown superstar.
Right on. Zaide shut Abams down. Great call by Shaka to put Zaide and his length/athleticism on Abams. I think we will continue to see Zaide emerge as the season moves forward.
Was great to see Joplin play with more effort on the D-boards and to see him make a couple of 3s.
Zaide will see an uptick in minutes as the season goes on...and I know you are all aboard the Chase Ross to the NBA hype train but Zaide is a better prospect. Bookmark this one.
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I thought both Zaide and Lowery played well. High ceiling for the two of them.
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I thought both Zaide and Lowery played well. High ceiling for the two of them.
Zaide "Frankenstein" Lowery
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I thought both Zaide and Lowery played well. High ceiling for the two of them.
Damn! You beat me to it by only a couple of minutes.
Let's hope Monday's game was not a fluke and that Norman figures out how to avoid fouls once in a while. Both Tre and Norman have high ceilings too.
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Don't curse Zaide like this. We couldn't stop hearing about John Dawson against Grambling, don't ruin Zaide the same way.
Dawson was a much better option than Derrick Wilson, but Buzz was out totally checked out that year. Dawson pretty much got us a win on the road at GTown hitting a couple of 3's in OT when he got 31 minutes, but never got more than 18 in the next 13 games, including a few DNPs and then had the disservice of inheriting Wojo as a coach who was clueless.
You can ridicule my bullishness on him all you want but he made/played in the G League for several years after finishing at Liberty.
I do applaud you though for finally getting a clue and realizing Wojo didn't have it after 6 years at the helm, when some of us knew it 10 games into his time at MU.
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There has been a lot of talk about Shaka and his recruiting, and it surprises me. I am going simply by what I see, not rankings, and I 100% believe that each year Shaka has recruited a better group than the previous year and looks like the incoming kids are going to be very good. I have said it many times, but I believe a Shaka recruited team is going to look a lot different than the current makeup of the roster. There is not one kid that he has recruited that does not fit the mold of a Shaka team.
IMO, anyone that has dismissed Norman and Zaide was doing it for the sake of doing it. None of us have any idea how they might end up being, but I sure as hell am not dismissing them because of limited action. Plus, I find it funny that some on here are very jacked about Al because he has much more limited playing time thus far. I think all three have potential to be good to very college players and time will tell.
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Dawson was a much better option than Derrick Wilson, but Buzz was out totally checked out that year. Dawson pretty much got us a win on the road at GTown hitting a couple of 3's in OT when he got 31 minutes, but never got more than 18 in the next 13 games, including a few DNPs and then had the disservice of inheriting Wojo as a coach who was clueless.
You can ridicule my bullishness on him all you want but he made/played in the G League for several years after finishing at Liberty.
I do applaud you though for finally getting a clue and realizing Wojo didn't have it after 6 years at the helm, when some of us knew it 10 games into his time at MU.
Love the "He played in the G League" argument.
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There has been a lot of talk about Shaka and his recruiting, and it surprises me. I am going simply by what I see, not rankings, and I 100% believe that each year Shaka has recruited a better group than the previous year and looks like the incoming kids are going to be very good. I have said it many times, but I believe a Shaka recruited team is going to look a lot different than the current makeup of the roster. There is not one kid that he has recruited that does not fit the mold of a Shaka team.
IMO, anyone that has dismissed Norman and Zaide was doing it for the sake of doing it. None of us have any idea how they might end up being, but I sure as hell am not dismissing them because of limited action. Plus, I find it funny that some on here are very jacked about Al because he has much more limited playing time thus far. I think all three have potential to be good to very college players and time will tell.
I think much of the excitement about Amadou is/was because his dunks were so spectacular. If he gets his D looking good and avoids silly fouls, we will see more of him. Norman's contortionist form enroute to his basket was beautiful. Both Zaide's and Lowery's 3 pointers were so smooth, confident, and inspired hope in Marquette fans eager for someone, anyone who can make 3s.
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Dawson was a much better option than Derrick Wilson, but Buzz was out totally checked out that year. Dawson pretty much got us a win on the road at GTown hitting a couple of 3's in OT when he got 31 minutes, but never got more than 18 in the next 13 games, including a few DNPs and then had the disservice of inheriting Wojo as a coach who was clueless.
You can ridicule my bullishness on him all you want but he made/played in the G League for several years after finishing at Liberty.
I do applaud you though for finally getting a clue and realizing Wojo didn't have it after 6 years at the helm, when some of us knew it 10 games into his time at MU.
Know who else was drafted into the G League? Derrick Wilson.
Buzz started Derrick Wilson over John Dawson (oh wait that's right, to stick it to the MU administration. Because that's how you want to go out looking for your next job. Burning your current one down, when wins and losses determine who might come calling for you next!). Wojo started Derrick Wilson over John Dawson. Joe Chapman started Derrick Wilson over DJO.
John Dawson was 17th in MPG on his G League team his first year, behind the likes of Jalen Jones, Cat Barber, Julyan Stone, Terry Henderson, Sam Thompson, Charles Cooke, Mangok Mathaing, Luke Petrasek, LG Gill, Roscoe Smith, and TJ Williams. A real whose who of studs!
His second year in the G League he was dead last in minutes per game on his team behind similar names, but add in Zach Smith and Jaylen Barford.
His third year in the G League he was 3rd from last in minutes per game, adding in superstars like Max Montana, Tai Odiase, Trey Phills, Tyler Nelson, Jeff Roberson, and Raymond Spalding.
John Dawson was never a high major basketball player. Get the eff over it you clown.
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John Dawson sucks
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Know who else was drafted into the G League? Derrick Wilson.
Buzz started Derrick Wilson over John Dawson (oh wait that's right, to stick it to the MU administration. Because that's how you want to go out looking for your next job. Burning your current one down, when wins and losses determine who might come calling for you next!). Wojo started Derrick Wilson over John Dawson. Joe Chapman started Derrick Wilson over DJO.
John Dawson was 17th in MPG on his G League team his first year, behind the likes of Jalen Jones, Cat Barber, Julyan Stone, Terry Henderson, Sam Thompson, Charles Cooke, Mangok Mathaing, Luke Petrasek, LG Gill, Roscoe Smith, and TJ Williams. A real whose who of studs!
His second year in the G League he was dead last in minutes per game on his team behind similar names, but add in Zach Smith and Jaylen Barford.
His third year in the G League he was 3rd from last in minutes per game, adding in superstars like Max Montana, Tai Odiase, Trey Phills, Tyler Nelson, Jeff Roberson, and Raymond Spalding.
John Dawson was never a high major basketball player. Get the eff over it you clown.
More worthless drivel from Scoop's LVP. But you're right, Derrick was probably a better player than DJO, so Joe Chapman, like Wojo made the right call there. No doubt Derrick making 11, 3 point shots in a 4-year career in which he played 30+ minutes every game as a Junior and Senior was epic performance, as compared to John Dawson's 94 makes in a 3-year career, in which one of those years was at MU when he played a total of 240 minutes in 32 games and made 7 3-point shots. Not to mention our offensive efficiency bottomed out to 154th in Derrick's junior year, but saw a slight uptick his senior year to 116th (the only 2 seasons) since 1999 that we finished worse than 100th in OE.
And btw - If you think Buzz had to accomplish jack that last year coming off Sweet 16, Sweet 16, and Elite 8 to have multiple great offers, you are even dumber than I thought.
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John Dawson sucks
Uncle Rico blows.
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There has been a lot of talk about Shaka and his recruiting, and it surprises me. I am going simply by what I see, not rankings, and I 100% believe that each year Shaka has recruited a better group than the previous year and looks like the incoming kids are going to be very good. I have said it many times, but I believe a Shaka recruited team is going to look a lot different than the current makeup of the roster. There is not one kid that he has recruited that does not fit the mold of a Shaka team.
IMO, anyone that has dismissed Norman and Zaide was doing it for the sake of doing it. None of us have any idea how they might end up being, but I sure as hell am not dismissing them because of limited action. Plus, I find it funny that some on here are very jacked about Al because he has much more limited playing time thus far. I think all three have potential to be good to very college players and time will tell.
Brother Goose:
Absolutely right.
What folks often forget is a coach like Shaka builds on both his past classes and his own success. As we rebuild a reputation and as Shaka establishes himself, we will become a "go to" destination for the folks Shaka wants. I have all the confidence in the world he's right.
The other thing to keep in mind is Tre, Zaide and Al all are freshmen. As good as they might be, given our depth we have much more established guards ahead of them. It's a luxury not to have to rely on freshmen to run our offense. I'm confident Zaide, Tre and Al will be really good in the years ahead.
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Uncle Rico blows.
Consistently, constantly, and continuously
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You're welcome
Yep. You, not Shaka (nor the other college coaches who recruited him), discovered Zaide.
I do agree with you that Zaide will be a far better high-major player than your last discovery was. I sincerely hope we're both right about that!
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"Played in the G League" is about as meaningful as "invited to an NBA draft workout." Some of those guys are just there as practice bodies, not because they are any good.
Dawson played in about half the games for the worst team in the G League in 2019-20, averaging 11 minutes per game. And yes, he was a mediocre player on Ritchie Davis' two worst Liberty teams.
Lowery and Ross are both far better than John Dawson. Don't put that evil on them.
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Uncle Rico blows.
John Dawson sucks
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Consistently, constantly, and continuously
Thanks, Wilmer
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Brother Goose:
The other thing to keep in mind is Tre, Zaide and Al all are freshmen. As good as they might be, given our depth we have much more established guards ahead of them. It's a luxury not to have to rely on freshmen to run our offense. I'm confident Zaide, Tre and Al will be really good in the years ahead.
Mostly agree dgies, but the frosh may be put to the test if we get into serious foul trouble or a starter becomes injured. For now, we (mostly) have the luxury you mentioned. I added "mostly" twice because with Sean gone and Ross still watching from the sidelines, our frosh may have to help save the day in a game or two, perhaps more.
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More worthless drivel from Scoop's LVP. But you're right, Derrick was probably a better player than DJO, so Joe Chapman, like Wojo made the right call there. No doubt Derrick making 11, 3 point shots in a 4-year career in which he played 30+ minutes every game as a Junior and Senior was epic performance, as compared to John Dawson's 94 makes in a 3-year career, in which one of those years was at MU when he played a total of 240 minutes in 32 games and made 7 3-point shots. Not to mention our offensive efficiency bottomed out to 154th in Derrick's junior year, but saw a slight uptick his senior year to 116th (the only 2 seasons) since 1999 that we finished worse than 100th in OE.
And btw - If you think Buzz had to accomplish jack that last year coming off Sweet 16, Sweet 16, and Elite 8 to have multiple great offers, you are even dumber than I thought.
That's why Buzz ended up at Virginia Tech. Great offer! And not just one, but multiple!
Mizzou, Wake Forest, Houston, Tennessee, Auburn all had coaching changes that offseason. Buzz ended up at Virgnia Tech.
Glad you finally took the L on the G League garbage. Talk about drivel.
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There has been a lot of talk about Shaka and his recruiting, and it surprises me. I am going simply by what I see, not rankings, and I 100% believe that each year Shaka has recruited a better group than the previous year and looks like the incoming kids are going to be very good. I have said it many times, but I believe a Shaka recruited team is going to look a lot different than the current makeup of the roster. There is not one kid that he has recruited that does not fit the mold of a Shaka team.
IMO, anyone that has dismissed Norman and Zaide was doing it for the sake of doing it. None of us have any idea how they might end up being, but I sure as hell am not dismissing them because of limited action. Plus, I find it funny that some on here are very jacked about Al because he has much more limited playing time thus far. I think all three have potential to be good to very college players and time will tell.
Agree Goose. I think you've nailed it with this comment. I probably am highest on zaide in current class--he made hard things look easy when in his and seems to be adjusting well. Still think people are gonna be blown away with Tre running point in the near future. I thought he looked like our Brunson and he's definitely here to be the evolution of the pg spot in Shaka's system (I'm not saying he's better than Tyler, just that it is clear to see he fits the mold of that).
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Posters need to quit dissecting every Elon post. Elon is an enthusiastic MU fan who makes predictions like we all do and those predictions get more enthusiastic as he sees more evidence on the court, like all of our predictions. All of us have made bad predictions as well.
Elon, don’t take the bait on this stuff.
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Posters need to quit dissecting every Elon post. Elon is an enthusiastic MU fan who makes predictions like we all do and those predictions get more enthusiastic as he sees more evidence on the court, like all of our predictions. All of us have made bad predictions as well.
Elon, don’t take the bait on this stuff.
Agree with every word of this. We all make predictions, or give expectations, and it's a big part of what a fan board like this is for. In the post just before this one, Jake Barnes predicted that Tre Norman is gonna be a really good PG for Marquette.
The difference: If Jake is right, he won't use 100 posts to remind us how he and he alone brilliantly discovered Tre Norman.
It's not the prediction, it's the execution.
Ners knows basketball, and he makes a lot of very good points in these threads. When he makes it about Ners instead of about Marquette hoops, that's when he draws some criticism.
I actually like Ners and it would be fun to grab a beer with him someday.
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Posters need to quit dissecting every Elon post. Elon is an enthusiastic MU fan who makes predictions like we all do and those predictions get more enthusiastic as he sees more evidence on the court, like all of our predictions. All of us have made bad predictions as well.
Elon, don’t take the bait on this stuff.
+1. I’ve had my disagreements with Ners/Elon (especially re “Magic” Dawson) but he knows the game and is one of Scoop’s most insightful commentators on our players. I look forward to his evaluations and more often than not agree with them.
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NM. Went back and checked clips.
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You can ridicule my bullishness on him all you want but he made/played in the G League for several years after finishing at Liberty.
One of them is still making a living playing professional basketball - and it ain't John Dawson.
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Agree Goose. I think you've nailed it with this comment. I probably am highest on zaide in current class--he made hard things look easy when in his and seems to be adjusting well. Still think people are gonna be blown away with Tre running point in the near future. I thought he looked like our Brunson and he's definitely here to be the evolution of the pg spot in Shaka's system (I'm not saying he's better than Tyler, just that it is clear to see he fits the mold of that).
I don't think Shaka will limit himself to only one style of PG. Tyler, Sean, and Tre all have unique styles.
2025 recruits Nyk Lewis, Nigel James, and Azavier Robinson all have slightly different games, too. The common thread though is cultural fit.
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Agree with every word of this. We all make predictions, or give expectations, and it's a big part of what a fan board like this is for. In the post just before this one, Jake Barnes predicted that Tre Norman is gonna be a really good PG for Marquette.
The difference: If Jake is right, he won't use 100 posts to remind us how he and he alone brilliantly discovered Tre Norman.
It's not the prediction, it's the execution.
Ners knows basketball, and he makes a lot of very good points in these threads. When he makes it about Ners instead of about Marquette hoops, that's when he draws some criticism.
I actually like Ners and it would be fun to grab a beer with him someday.
I'm going to make it my sole mission to only Stan for Tre now in every post. Sorry, 82. ;D
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I don't think Shaka will limit himself to only one style of PG. Tyler, Sean, and Tre all have unique styles.
2025 recruits Nyk Lewis, Nigel James, and Azavier Robinson all have slightly different games, too. The common thread though is cultural fit.
Fair. I definitely think Tre fit a certain style, but agree that culture fit is first and foremost. Really bullish on Nyk Lewis. Think he's going to be a stud.
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Jake
IMO, we will see a Rick Pitino type PG moving forward. Possibly would have had one already if TK did not exceed any possible expectation.
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I guess we were overdue for a John Dawson/Derrick Wilson thread derailment.
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Know who else was drafted into the G League? Derrick Wilson.
Buzz started Derrick Wilson over John Dawson (oh wait that's right, to stick it to the MU administration. Because that's how you want to go out looking for your next job. Burning your current one down, when wins and losses determine who might come calling for you next!). Wojo started Derrick Wilson over John Dawson. Joe Chapman started Derrick Wilson over DJO.
John Dawson was 17th in MPG on his G League team his first year, behind the likes of Jalen Jones, Cat Barber, Julyan Stone, Terry Henderson, Sam Thompson, Charles Cooke, Mangok Mathaing, Luke Petrasek, LG Gill, Roscoe Smith, and TJ Williams. A real whose who of studs!
His second year in the G League he was dead last in minutes per game on his team behind similar names, but add in Zach Smith and Jaylen Barford.
His third year in the G League he was 3rd from last in minutes per game, adding in superstars like Max Montana, Tai Odiase, Trey Phills, Tyler Nelson, Jeff Roberson, and Raymond Spalding.
John Dawson was never a high major basketball player. Get the eff over it you clown.
unless you guys actually know each other and this is all in fun…you call a guy a clown? Really? I’m always amazed at keyboard bravado.
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Posters need to quit dissecting every Elon post. Elon is an enthusiastic MU fan who makes predictions like we all do and those predictions get more enthusiastic as he sees more evidence on the court, like all of our predictions. All of us have made bad predictions as well.
Elon, don’t take the bait on this stuff.
you know that's what they all do to anyone who's not in their club
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you know that's what they all do to anyone who's not in their club
I only know of one scoop club. Gets posted about a lot.
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Zaide was voted a co-domino of the game with Kam.
His teammates recognize his importance too.
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I only know of one scoop club. Gets posted about a lot.
Rocky's shillelagh?
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I only know of one scoop club. Gets posted about a lot.
The new Lido?
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I only know of one scoop club. Gets posted about a lot.
Only by those uninvited.
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The new Lido?
Can’t wait to get back this summer. 20 minutes between tee times, no carts and a proper test of golf.
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Zaide was voted a co-domino of the game with Kam.
His teammates recognize his importance too.
I've been told the domino is supposed to go to the high scorer or kenpom MVP.
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I've been told the domino is supposed to go to the high scorer or kenpom MVP.
Huh
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I've been told the domino is supposed to go to the high scorer or kenpom MVP.
Does Ners defend his man Zaide or does he double down on his incorrect claim? Let’s see what kind of pretzels he contorts himself into on this one.
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Zaide now has the highest 3P% on the team 😅
More importantly I love the effort he brings defensively.
What about Lowery? I see they have the same %
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Uncle Rico blows.
Congrats on your Willie endorsement
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Does Ners defend his man Zaide or does he double down on his incorrect claim? Let’s see what kind of pretzels he contorts himself into on this one.
He just ignores it, pretends it never happened and moves on to his next declaration. Pretty good strategy!