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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on May 30, 2016, 07:00:19 PM
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Link has a lot more detail
Things Are Thriving In The "Modern Hooker Economy"
05/30/2016 18:30 -0400
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-30/things-are-thriving-modern-hooker-economy
Last year we exposed the growing trend among thousands of British students who were funding their college experience through "Sugar Daddy" websites, where "arrangements" were made to allow students to pay off student loans and other living expenses.
It turns out that US students are now following this crafty debt repayment plan in the new "modern hooker economy."
Meet Candice Kashani, recent graduate of Villanova University School of Law who despite a scholarship faced tuition and expenses of nearly $50,000. Candice was able to graduate this spring debt-free - with the help of several sugar daddies of course.
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user51698/imageroot/2016/05/30/20160530_sugardaddy1_0.JPG)
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user51698/imageroot/2016/05/30/20160530_sugardaddy2_0.JPG)
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Beats goin' ta Harvard, Heise baby, hey?
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Beats goin' ta Harvard, Heise baby, hey?
Beats?
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wow-and i wouldn't hit that with any of youses guyses thang yuck!
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Yeah, more fun goin' fur free dis way than bein' comped by income at da Ivy, ai na?
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Musta graduated wit da Latin honors, Muchum Cum Lousy, hey?
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tranny?
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Highly recommend (cough) the "Girlfriend Experience" series on the Starz channel.
It's basically this exact story with high quality, um, video.
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(http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments/5493850+_ab2cd26a75f12d5e678d2822a24e9d1c.jpg)
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Nice set of Torts.
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Non Corpus Delecti
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Hey, good for her.
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Hey, good for her.
Some are making her out to be a victim (not here, but various sites). I don't get it...she was an absolute willing participant. If she has a sugar daddy paying for services rendered, then whatever. Her choice, but let's also not sugar coat it either. A whore is a whore is a whore. She's a prostitute like anyone else that sells their body for financial gain.
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Some are making her out to be a victim (not here, but various sites). I don't get it...she was an absolute willing participant. If she has a sugar daddy paying for services rendered, then whatever. Her choice, but let's also not sugar coat it either. A whore is a whore is a whore. She's a prostitute like anyone else that sells their body for financial gain.
Agreed.
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Friends with Victoria Zdrok?
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Some are making her out to be a victim (not here, but various sites). I don't get it...she was an absolute willing participant. If she has a sugar daddy paying for services rendered, then whatever. Her choice, but let's also not sugar coat it either. A whore is a whore is a whore. She's a prostitute like anyone else that sells their body for financial gain.
I'll agree with the first three sentences. As to the last three, I won't necessarily disagree, but I will point out that there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between marriage and prostitution.
Little known fact, the pejorative "ho," a synonym of prostitute, comes from the Spanish pronunciation of "jo" (as in "jojoba"), which is common slang for coffee. Now, consider how some people will stop at whatever gas station or coffee shop is convenient that morning and pay cash while some go to the exact same corner shop every morning at the same time to see their favorite barista and charge it to their house account... some pay on the spot, some pay later, but regardless, everyone eventually pays for what gets them up in the morning.
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I should also point out the fact that the German translation of "waxing the flagpole" is kuerigschluffen.
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I fell unclean agreeing in principle with Chico's. She made a conscious decision. She chose a path that allowed her to graduate without debt. Most students choose to work in some capacity to make money for college/graduate school. She chose a path less traveled. And by Chicos definition, models, professional wrestlers and football players, as well as anyone who does a very physical job for a living that can impact their health later in life, is a prostitute.
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No different than that Duke porn star. I agree with chicos that it's their choice and it's a joke that people are feeling bad for these girls. College is expensive and almost everybody gets by without sex work.
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Are there any sugar mamas for the guys?
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Are there any sugar mamas for the guys?
I believe they're called cougars. Just find one with some cash....
I think it's required by Title IX.
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I believe they're called cougars. Just find one with some cash....
I think it's required by Title IX.
MILF?
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I'll agree with the first three sentences. As to the last three, I won't necessarily disagree, but I will point out that there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between marriage and prostitution.
Little known fact, the pejorative "ho," a synonym of prostitute, comes from the Spanish pronunciation of "jo" (as in "jojoba"), which is common slang for coffee. Now, consider how some people will stop at whatever gas station or coffee shop is convenient that morning and pay cash while some go to the exact same corner shop every morning at the same time to see their favorite barista and charge it to their house account... some pay on the spot, some pay later, but regardless, everyone eventually pays for what gets them up in the morning.
Where did you learn of this derivation? I am dubious
Check instead the Spanish word "joder" (The spanish (castellano) verb translating "to f@ck")
.... The madrilenos would often shorten this reference to "jo"(pronounced with the guteral 'h' sound, like we say the name"Jose").... kind of like we say Geez. This "jo" seems the more likely derivation...if indeed...it even comes from spanish(which I also doubt....see below).
In late 70s TWA had wall posters in Spain with a headline "Vuele Conmigo" (fly with me) in a hot stewardess photo, with the name tag "Jodi"....
Spanish folks had a good laugh over "Jodi" asking them to "fly" with her. I could never figure out if this was TWAs mistake or some intentional innuendo
This seems to link "Whore" derivation to Northern Europe/Germanic/Old English, whose history is unconnected to Latin/Spanish;
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=whore
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Kind of like my dad's old joke:
Man: Would you sleep with me for $1 million?
Woman: Sure!
Man: Would you sleep with me for $10?
Woman: What do you think I am, a whore?
Man: Well, we've already established that. Now we're just dickering about the price!
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Where did you learn of this derivation? I am dubious
I am dubious as well. A very quick google search turned up no evidence. Thought about posting a "not sure if serious" response to Benny's post, but it slipped my mind.
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Silly to call give this such a negative connection such as whore. Sex with many partners is so stigmatized for zero reason. Hell, we say "lose your virginity" making it sound like its a bad thing instead of gaining something lIke we do with almost everything else.
Oh, and prostitution should absolutely be legal, it's simply a business transaction and would honestly make it safer limiting pimps and such.
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Silly to call give this such a negative connection such as whore. Sex with many partners is so stigmatized for zero reason. Hell, we say "lose your virginity" making it sound like its a bad thing instead of gaining something lIke we do with almost everything else.
Oh, and prostitution should absolutely be legal, it's simply a business transaction and would honestly make it safer limiting pimps and such.
I have nothing against having multiple partners. That is each persons prerogative.
Now when money is changing hands for sex; that makes you a whore/prostitute, whatever your choice of words.
I also agree that prostitution should be legal. Making it illegal makes it more dangerous, it doesn't make it go away. Doesn't change the stigma of the worlds oldest profession though.
The issue here is that she is not a victim. She consciously chose to sell her body.
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The relationships that form can be far more complex than cash for tossing-it-in.
People are weird. Hey, whatever floats your boat.
Bye. Time to login to SA!
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The legality of prostituition is really a tough call especially when you factor in the rampant drug use and alcoholism amongst sex workers. All it takes is one who uses on the job to turn any of their "business transactions" into rape. You then also need to factor in that there's depression associated with being a sex worker, would the organization be liable to pay for any psych damages? Calling it a business transaction as a reason is kinda stupid when literally everything from drugs, slave trade, weapons dealers, etc is just a "business transaction"
I agree it should be dealt with differently though.
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Silly to call give this such a negative connection such as whore. Sex with many partners is so stigmatized for zero reason. Hell, we say "lose your virginity" making it sound like its a bad thing instead of gaining something lIke we do with almost everything else.
Oh, and prostitution should absolutely be legal, it's simply a business transaction and would honestly make it safer limiting pimps and such.
To say it is stigmatized for zero reason is just as silly. You can sleep with whomever you damn please, as often as you wish, but there are physical benefits to not having many partners you cannot deny....so I wouldn't call those zero reasons. Others will argue emotional benefits, but let's keep it simple to just the physical ones at this point.
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Kind of like my dad's old joke:
Man: Would you sleep with me for $1 million?
Woman: Sure!
Man: Would you sleep with me for $10?
Woman: What do you think I am, a whore?
Man: Well, we've already established that. Now we're just dickering about the price!
Thumbs up
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Thumbs up
Where, exactly?
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I'll agree with the first three sentences. As to the last three, I won't necessarily disagree, but I will point out that there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between marriage and prostitution.
Little known fact, the pejorative "ho," a synonym of prostitute, comes from the Spanish pronunciation of "jo" (as in "jojoba"), which is common slang for coffee. Now, consider how some people will stop at whatever gas station or coffee shop is convenient that morning and pay cash while some go to the exact same corner shop every morning at the same time to see their favorite barista and charge it to their house account... some pay on the spot, some pay lhttp://snltranscripts.jt.org/81/pics/81icourt4.jpgater, but regardless, everyone eventually pays for what gets them up in the morning.
The first time I ever heard the term was on SNL in the early 80's. Eddie Murphy played a pimp character named Velvet Jones. He had a fake commercial where he was hawking this book:
(http://snltranscripts.jt.org/81/pics/81icourt4.jpg)
Based on the amount of laughter that occurred when he held up the book, I would assume it was the first time the studio audience had seen that word as well.
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I fell unclean agreeing in principle with Chico's. She made a conscious decision. She chose a path that allowed her to graduate without debt. Most students choose to work in some capacity to make money for college/graduate school. She chose a path less traveled. And by Chicos definition, models, professional wrestlers and football players, as well as anyone who does a very physical job for a living that can impact their health later in life, is a prostitute.
My definition of prostitute is one that I think most people tie together....sexual relations for some form of compensation. I don't see how models, wrestlers, football players fit that definition.
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I have nothing against having multiple partners. That is each persons prerogative.
Now when money is changing hands for sex; that makes you a whore/prostitute, whatever your choice of words.
I also agree that prostitution should be legal. Making it illegal makes it more dangerous, it doesn't make it go away. Doesn't change the stigma of the worlds oldest profession though.
The issue here is that she is not a victim. She consciously chose to sell her body.
so if your daughter, or God forbid, your wife had multiple partners-that would be different then i assume. ok, the wife one i'm sure we could eliminate as obviously out of bounds...right? that was partly snark, but just saying
why is it whenever we try to legalize something, it's all cool? prostitution is a nasty side of society. lives are ruined. very commonly, drugs are involved. alcoholism. violence. i've got to be careful here as i don't want this to become p-p-p-p-p-political, but when you know who tries to run some things, it turns to a chit samich. all the regulations, fees, tests, what have you...many will find it much easier to run it the old fashioned way. and then there's the children-it's already bad. i'm just thinking the legalization of this? nothing good will come out of it-it's wrong on all levels-imho of course
yeah, i know it's been around since man has inhabited this earth, but it doesn't make it acceptable in m mind.
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It's extremely laughable how people insist on taking a moral high-ground when it comes to prostitution and polygamy.
Nobody gets sex for free, there's always a price to pay. Sometimes the payment is tangible, sometimes it's not, but if you ever bought your wife flowers on her birthday in the hopes of getting some action, how is that materially different than what Miss Kashani is engaging in? The only people who don't pay for sex are rapists who don't get caught.
So if you want to claim moral high ground by demeaning prostitution, then which is it -- is your wife a whore or are you a rapist?
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It's extremely laughable how people insist on taking a moral high-ground when it comes to prostitution and polygamy.
Nobody gets sex for free, there's always a price to pay. Sometimes the payment is tangible, sometimes it's not, but if you ever bought your wife flowers on her birthday in the hopes of getting some action, how is that materially different than what Miss Kashani is engaging in? The only people who don't pay for sex are rapists who don't get caught.
So if you want to claim moral high ground by demeaning prostitution, then which is it -- is your wife a whore or are you a rapist?
Nobody gets sex for free? College parties must have had a different look back then if you were bringing flowers or buying ladies drinks at the party.
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It's extremely laughable how people insist on taking a moral high-ground when it comes to prostitution and polygamy.
Nobody gets sex for free, there's always a price to pay. Sometimes the payment is tangible, sometimes it's not, but if you ever bought your wife flowers on her birthday in the hopes of getting some action, how is that materially different than what Miss Kashani is engaging in? The only people who don't pay for sex are rapists who don't get caught.
So if you want to claim moral high ground by demeaning prostitution, then which is it -- is your wife a whore or are you a rapist?
An article came out yesterday that sex at least two times a week will lower blood pressure and statistically allow you to live longer. My wife, said to me...let's try to live a long time. We had a nice evening together. She's a blast, that's why we have been married with no infidelity issues. Yes, it is possible to have sex just because we enjoy it and want to be with each other.
Now I get what you are saying, but I think you are mixing in extremes. Of course some people will argue or think that if I don't put out for him or her, that will lead to a breakup, loss of lifestyle, etc. Yup, you can make that argument.
I don't think your argument will stick, but you can make it. I have no doubt some people are in that scenario. How would you reconcile your stance when people get of the age where sex just isn't there any longer, but remain happily married?
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It's extremely laughable how people insist on taking a moral high-ground when it comes to prostitution and polygamy.
Nobody gets sex for free, there's always a price to pay. Sometimes the payment is tangible, sometimes it's not, but if you ever bought your wife flowers on her birthday in the hopes of getting some action, how is that materially different than what Miss Kashani is engaging in? The only people who don't pay for sex are rapists who don't get caught.
So if you want to claim moral high ground by demeaning prostitution, then which is it -- is your wife a whore or are you a rapist?
with regards to sex and my wife and our 35 year relationship, i am absolutely going to take the moral high ground. you know why? because i can. i can absolutely state with all confidence and God knows this to be true that i have NEVER strayed/cheated on my wife. ok, that being said, stating that flowers or doing the dishes or cooking dinner is the equivalency of paying for sex is very, ummm,... "lawyer-like".
benny, i love reading your stuff. you provide some great perspectives that i just stand back and go-that's exactly what i meant, but couldn't put it into words. BUT, this isn't one of your better posts. it's sounds like something closer to what a certain "highfalutin" couple we all know would try to parse it up with, and all with a straight face
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Gotta weigh in with the woman's point of view. Married sex, or for that matter, relationship sex, is not a factor of exchanging "compensation" for nookie. I don't cook my husband dinner to get sex, and he doesn't buy me flowers to get sex. We are two people committed to maintaining a life together, and mutually enjoying each others' company, sharing the chores, doing thoughtful things for each other and yes, sharing the pleasure of sex. The difference between married sex and trading sex for cash/favors is kind of like the difference between a soldier and a mercenary - one fights because he believes in a cause and the other fights whoever somebody pays him to fight. Sex as part of a healthy relationship, where both parties are fully participating in a life together, is not the same as prostitution.
And Benny, if you're buying your wife flowers because you're hoping to get some, then you're doing it wrong. Buy your wife flowers because you know she loves flowers. For sex, all you really have to do is ask.
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with regards to sex and my wife and our 35 year relationship, i am absolutely going to take the moral high ground. you know why? because i can. i can absolutely state with all confidence and God knows this to be true that i have NEVER strayed/cheated on my wife. ok, that being said, stating that flowers or doing the dishes or cooking dinner is the equivalency of paying for sex is very, ummm,... "lawyer-like".
benny, i love reading your stuff. you provide some great perspectives that i just stand back and go-that's exactly what i meant, but couldn't put it into words. BUT, this isn't one of your better posts. it's sounds like something closer to what a certain "highfalutin" couple we all know would try to parse it up with, and all with a straight face
Congrats on you and your wife, truly and inspiration but unless you had some kind of absistence till marriage pledge can we cut out the whole "I'm allowed the moral high ground" type of attitude. Everybody makes their own set and tries to live up to them. Now that that's said I agree with your premise against prostituition.
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The young guys might not even get this....
https://www.youtube.com/v/1N6rzfoWHzg
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Silly to call give this such a negative connection such as whore. Sex with many partners is so stigmatized for zero reason. Hell, we say "lose your virginity" making it sound like its a bad thing instead of gaining something lIke we do with almost everything else.
Oh, and prostitution should absolutely be legal, it's simply a business transaction and would honestly make it safer limiting pimps and such.
Simply a way to denigrate women.
They can't win - either they "lose" their virginity or they become "old maids". We get to bad-mouth them either way.
This is in no way a defense of prostitution (cuz we know that is how it will be read).
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It's extremely laughable how people insist on taking a moral high-ground when it comes to prostitution and polygamy.
Nobody gets sex for free, there's always a price to pay. Sometimes the payment is tangible, sometimes it's not, but if you ever bought your wife flowers on her birthday in the hopes of getting some action, how is that materially different than what Miss Kashani is engaging in? The only people who don't pay for sex are rapists who don't get caught.
So if you want to claim moral high ground by demeaning prostitution, then which is it -- is your wife a whore or are you a rapist?
Benny - nobody on Scoop is better than you at cutting through the BS and exposing posers. Many who demean prostitution have marriages that are little more than financial "arrangements".
However, I can honestly say I never "bought my wife flowers in the hopes of getting some action". As a matter of fact, flowers (or anything else tangible) were out of the question when we were dating and in the first several years of our marriage. By the time I could afford what I guess you would consider "payment" I'd (we'd) had freebies for years. See how far you get with your favorite hooker when you propose a "no payment for the first five years plan".
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so if your daughter, or God forbid, your wife had multiple partners-that would be different then i assume. ok, the wife one i'm sure we could eliminate as obviously out of bounds...right? that was partly snark, but just saying
why is it whenever we try to legalize something, it's all cool? prostitution is a nasty side of society. lives are ruined. very commonly, drugs are involved. alcoholism. violence. i've got to be careful here as i don't want this to become p-p-p-p-p-political, but when you know who tries to run some things, it turns to a chit samich. all the regulations, fees, tests, what have you...many will find it much easier to run it the old fashioned way. and then there's the children-it's already bad. i'm just thinking the legalization of this? nothing good will come out of it-it's wrong on all levels-imho of course
yeah, i know it's been around since man has inhabited this earth, but it doesn't make it acceptable in m mind.
I'd be fine with it. It is her life. I know many people that live a polyamorous lifestyle. Done right amongst consenting adults that all adhere to the standards of the relationship, it seems to work for them.
Not my place to step in and assign my morality to someone else. All I can hope for is that they are safe and happy.
As for my wife and I, we are strictly monogamous. That is how we prefer to live and have stuck to those standards our entire life and will continue to do so.
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For those that are "libertarian" about prostitution, what the women wants to do is fine with you.
Do you feel the same about ...
* Men only country clubs (Augusta)
* Whites only businesses
* Landlords that want to deny because of race or sexual orientation
* Businesses discriminating in hiring over race, gender, etc.
* Businesses that elect to pay men more than women
* Frozen Custard stands that refuse to serve non-English speaking customers
Why are you "libertarian" about one business practice, prostitution, but not the business practices listed above? Or, are you in favor of all of the above as well.
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I thought the politics board was shut down?
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I thought the politics board was shut down?
Ditto. This is devolved to politics and morality exchanges. Ripe for a lock IMO
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And Benny, if you're buying your wife flowers because you're hoping to get some, then you're doing it wrong. Buy your wife flowers because you know she loves flowers. For sex, all you really have to do is ask.
Listen, my relationship is perfect. My opinions merely represent an expression of logic and in no way reflects my personal experiences or desires. I have no complaints about my marriage, and I know for a fact that my wife agrees; we are very loyal to one another, believe very strongly in the Catholic faith, and have a very monogamous relationship (don't know why I had to emphasize the monogamousness there, but I did).
The point I was making is that we all give up something for sex, whether tangible or intangible. I'm not surprised how several posters have decided to cherry pick one example of the point in ignorance of the point itself, but surprisingly, Chicos was actually closest of the ilk... to the extent we're referring to loyal, monogamous, marital sex, you've devoted yourself to another person, ipso facto, you've given up the ability to devote yourself to someone else. But just because you're giving something up doesn't mean you're giving up something of value... the gains I've made on my marital "investment" are damn near undefined in comparison to the value of what I gave up (that's a math reference referring to dividing something by zero). The only people who don't give something up (willingly) in a marriage are those for whom their marriage was arranged... the value of the marital investment to all others, however, is in the eye of the beholder.
For the record, I have never engaged in prostitution (neither vendor nor customer) and have never had any desire to do so. But I don't condemn those that do. As mentioned by 'Rent, it's a business transaction; I fail to see what's morally wrong with two consenting adults entering into a willing service arrangement as buyer-seller.
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Ditto. This is devolved to politics and morality exchanges. Ripe for a lock IMO
Eh, I think we're still good here as long as people don't respond to Heisy. Been incredibly civil and morality talks isn't in the scoop contract last time I checked.
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Listen, my relationship is perfect. My opinions merely represent an expression of logic and in no way reflects my personal experiences or desires. I have no complaints about my marriage, and I know for a fact that my wife agrees; we are very loyal to one another, believe very strongly in the Catholic faith, and have a very monogamous relationship (don't know why I had to emphasize the monogamousness there, but I did).
The point I was making is that we all give up something for sex, whether tangible or intangible. I'm not surprised how several posters have decided to cherry pick one example of the point in ignorance of the point itself, but surprisingly, Chicos was actually closest of the ilk... to the extent we're referring to loyal, monogamous, marital sex, you've devoted yourself to another person, ipso facto, you've given up the ability to devote yourself to someone else. But just because you're giving something up doesn't mean you're giving up something of value... the gains I've made on my marital "investment" are damn near undefined in comparison to the value of what I gave up (that's a math reference referring to dividing something by zero). The only people who don't give something up (willingly) in a marriage are those for whom their marriage was arranged... the value of the marital investment to all others, however, is in the eye of the beholder.
For the record, I have never engaged in prostitution (neither vendor nor customer) and have never had any desire to do so. But I don't condemn those that do. As mentioned by 'Rent, it's a business transaction; I fail to see what's morally wrong with two consenting adults entering into a willing service arrangement as buyer-seller.
I think that at least some people's hesitance to embrace a free market in this industry is colored by the fact that in many instances the "consenting" part is missing on the part of the labor force.
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Listen, my relationship is perfect. My opinions merely represent an expression of logic and in no way reflects my personal experiences or desires. I have no complaints about my marriage, and I know for a fact that my wife agrees; we are very loyal to one another, believe very strongly in the Catholic faith, and have a very monogamous relationship (don't know why I had to emphasize the monogamousness there, but I did).
The point I was making is that we all give up something for sex, whether tangible or intangible. I'm not surprised how several posters have decided to cherry pick one example of the point in ignorance of the point itself, but surprisingly, Chicos was actually closest of the ilk... to the extent we're referring to loyal, monogamous, marital sex, you've devoted yourself to another person, ipso facto, you've given up the ability to devote yourself to someone else. But just because you're giving something up doesn't mean you're giving up something of value... the gains I've made on my marital "investment" are damn near undefined in comparison to the value of what I gave up (that's a math reference referring to dividing something by zero). The only people who don't give something up (willingly) in a marriage are those for whom their marriage was arranged... the value of the marital investment to all others, however, is in the eye of the beholder.
For the record, I have never engaged in prostitution (neither vendor nor customer) and have never had any desire to do so. But I don't condemn those that do. As mentioned by 'Rent, it's a business transaction; I fail to see what's morally wrong with two consenting adults entering into a willing service arrangement as buyer-seller.
Again ... cannot the same be said when consenting adults agree to work at a business that pays men more than women?
When consenting adults agree to not serve custard to customers that do not speak English?
when consenting adults agree to exclude women from their club?
When consenting adults agree to base their hiring practices on gender and/or race?
Why are the above morally wrong but prostitution is not?
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Again ... cannot the same be said when consenting adults agree to work at a business that pays men more than women?
When consenting adults agree to not serve custard to customers that do not speak English?
when consenting adults agree to exclude women from their club?
When consenting adults agree to base their hiring practices on gender and/or race?
Why are the above morally wrong but prostitution is not?
There is discrimination at the heart of all of your examples.
There is no discrimination in the agreement between prostitute and john. If you would have argued that prostitutes shouldn't be allowed to discriminate towards a john due to race, weight or even sex you might have the basis of an analogy. But you didn't and you don't.
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Gotta weigh in with the woman's point of view. Married sex, or for that matter, relationship sex, is not a factor of exchanging "compensation" for nookie. I don't cook my husband dinner to get sex, and he doesn't buy me flowers to get sex. We are two people committed to maintaining a life together, and mutually enjoying each others' company, sharing the chores, doing thoughtful things for each other and yes, sharing the pleasure of sex. The difference between married sex and trading sex for cash/favors is kind of like the difference between a soldier and a mercenary - one fights because he believes in a cause and the other fights whoever somebody pays him to fight. Sex as part of a healthy relationship, where both parties are fully participating in a life together, is not the same as prostitution.
And Benny, if you're buying your wife flowers because you're hoping to get some, then you're doing it wrong. Buy your wife flowers because you know she loves flowers. For sex, all you really have to do is ask.
wow mom!! perfectly stated...will you marry me? ;D :-[
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There is discrimination at the heart of all of your examples.
There is no discrimination in the agreement between prostitute and john. If you would have argued that prostitutes shouldn't be allowed to discriminate towards a john due to race, weight or even sex you might have the basis of an analogy. But you didn't and you don't.
Fair enough
So how about drug dealing? Is that a better analogy? Consenting adults agreeing to buy and take drugs (any kind of drugs). Should that be illegal too?
How about bribery? Consenting adults .. should that be illegal?
Gambling? Why is this illegal ... consenting adults
Organ sales ... consenting adults
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I think that at least some people's hesitance to embrace a free market in this industry is colored by the fact that in many instances the "consenting" part is missing on the part of the labor force.
Then said people should take issue with with the "sex trafficking" or "rape" or "child enticement" or whatever it's called.
The problem with society is that very few understand what the problems affecting society are.
Fair enough
So how about drug dealing? Is that a better analogy? Consenting adults agreeing to buy and take drugs (any kind of drugs). Should that be illegal too?
How about bribery? Consenting adults .. should that be illegal?
Gambling? Why is this illegal ... consenting adults
Organ sales ... consenting adults
We're not debating the legality of prostitution, we're debating the morality of it; if you want to discuss the morality of gambling and doing drugs - or the legality of prostitution - then fine... start your own thread.
[Note to everyone except Heisey: Yes, I am well aware of the that I actually told Heisey to start a new thread on something. For reference, this is an accurate example of what irony is... not "Canadian irony," e.g. the BS that Alanis sings about.]
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[Note to everyone except Heisey: Yes, I am well aware of the that I actually told Heisey to start a new thread on something. For reference, this is an accurate example of what irony is... not "Canadian irony," e.g. the BS that Alanis sings about.]
Wait, what?! Do you mean to say that a black fly in my Chardonnay, or a traffic jam when I'm already late, is simply coincidence?
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Fair enough
So how about drug dealing? Is that a better analogy? Consenting adults agreeing to buy and take drugs (any kind of drugs). Should that be illegal too?
How about bribery? Consenting adults .. should that be illegal?
Gambling? Why is this illegal ... consenting adults
Organ sales ... consenting adults
Most libertarians would favor legalized drugs and gambling (subject to taxation and with age limits).
Bribery? No, that doesn't promote free and fair markets.
Organ sales? Don't know enough to comment.
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I'd be fine with it. It is her life. I know many people that live a polyamorous lifestyle. Done right amongst consenting adults that all adhere to the standards of the relationship, it seems to work for them.
Not my place to step in and assign my morality to someone else. All I can hope for is that they are safe and happy.
As for my wife and I, we are strictly monogamous. That is how we prefer to live and have stuck to those standards our entire life and will continue to do so.
wow! you're a better man than me...i'd lose my mind!! as i tell most everyone, i'm glad i had 2 boys b/c i could never raise a girl today-that's just me and i'm being honest about it. i actually have a lot of respect for dads raising girls. for me however, it's(prostitution) too risky in many ways. and i'm a pretty laid back guy
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wow mom!! perfectly stated...will you marry me? ;D :-[
No, but I'd be open to an arrangement whereby you pay my kids' Marquette tuition in exchange for certain "favors" ;D
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I'm figurin' most of us would require pics first before dat kinda proposition, ai na?
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No, but I'd be open to an arrangement whereby you pay my kids' Marquette tuition in exchange for certain "favors" ;D
only if i could write it off which means it will have to be designated as a "SEAT" license-heyOOO! ein'er ein'er?
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I think that at least some people's hesitance to embrace a free market in this industry is colored by the fact that in many instances the "consenting" part is missing on the part of the labor force.
That's one reason.
Another is that marriage can also involve little or no sex, and ultimately ends up that way in the later years. Still married, but not the sexual benefits. I would like Benny's POV on that.
Then there is the general issues of stability, disease, etc, etc, which we can probably all argue back and forth on.
I think Benny is right that some people have a marriage that gets to that level of this for that. However, I believe many don't.
I'm glad I didn't get married with that in mind, it would be a loveless marriage in my opinion. Sex is important, for health and well being, but shouldn't be the reason for marriage, or to get gifts, keep a roof over one's head, etc
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wow! you're a better man than me...i'd lose my mind!! as i tell most everyone, i'm glad i had 2 boys b/c i could never raise a girl today-that's just me and i'm being honest about it. i actually have a lot of respect for dads raising girls. for me however, it's(prostitution) too risky in many ways. and i'm a pretty laid back guy
14 year old daughter...I'm a wreck about it...especially in today's world.
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14 year old daughter...I'm a wreck about it...especially in today's world.
Not always the case, but I think a lot of good parents have a lot of influence and can help the situation...
...but wow.. at this concert this weekend. Lots of what looked to be teens... wearing some... naughty, naughty stuff. I of course didn't look around much, but couldn't avoid seeing some things. Just amazing. Poor parents.
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14 year old daughter...I'm a wreck about it...especially in today's world.
and then there's this beauty...
http://www.wkyc.com/news/multiple-fort-myers-high-schoolers-had-sex-in-school-bathroom/212124786
i wonder how much the goin rate for 20-25 is? a couple of baker dozens? this is sick!
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and then there's this beauty...
http://www.wkyc.com/news/multiple-fort-myers-high-schoolers-had-sex-in-school-bathroom/212124786
i wonder how much the goin rate for 20-25 is? a couple of baker dozens? this is sick!
You clearly haven't followed up with this story. The girl was kidnapped and spent two years forced into sex trafficking.
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wow! you're a better man than me...i'd lose my mind!! as i tell most everyone, i'm glad i had 2 boys b/c i could never raise a girl today-that's just me and i'm being honest about it. i actually have a lot of respect for dads raising girls. for me however, it's(prostitution) too risky in many ways. and i'm a pretty laid back guy
I think you are confused on what Polyamory is. It is a person being in love with multiple people. There is no money changing hands or benefits, just a more complex loving relationship. Most definitely not prostitution.
And for those practicing that lifestyle (properly) it is less risky than most teens sex lives. Also, strangely enough far more commitment (between those involved) and communication than a typical teen relationship these days.
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Non Corpus Delecti
Another comment supporting why we need thumbs up!
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I raised a daughter. 21 now. Working on her masters. Smart, funny, healthy perspective on life. She caused me very little stress. I don't know if that was due to luck or good parenting. All you can do is your best and then hope.
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Not always the case, but I think a lot of good parents have a lot of influence and can help the situation...
...but wow.. at this concert this weekend. Lots of what looked to be teens... wearing some... naughty, naughty stuff. I of course didn't look around much, but couldn't avoid seeing some things. Just amazing. Poor parents.
I've seen it where girls left the house in an appropriate attire, then change on the way there to something way overboard. Good parenting goes far, but only so far.
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14 year old daughter...I'm a wreck about it...especially in today's world.
Well, it helps to surround her with four brothers haha. Not only did they look out for my daughter, but also growing up with brothers, boys really didn't hold much mystery for her. But ultimately, it's about keeping lines of communication open. I always made it clear that my kids could talk to me about anything without judgment, and call me anytime they needed me to come get them without question. The boys rarely shared, but my daughter and I had some pretty cool conversations about what was going on in her world. Fortunately for us, she was also born with an innate sense of logic that usually allowed her to foresee the potential outcomes of her actions.
It's hard to teach a girl to have a strong sense of self when so much media is bombarding her with messages that she isn't thin enough, or pretty enough, or popular enough, especially in those early teen years. Fortunately it seems that most girls come out ok on the other side. Especially if they have parents who care.
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You clearly haven't followed up with this story. The girl was kidnapped and spent two years forced into sex trafficking.
i did hear some things to that effect-those are the risky things we are talking about
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I think you are confused on what Polyamory is. It is a person being in love with multiple people. There is no money changing hands or benefits, just a more complex loving relationship. Most definitely not prostitution.
And for those practicing that lifestyle (properly) it is less risky than most teens sex lives. Also, strangely enough far more commitment (between those involved) and communication than a typical teen relationship these days.
i'm not confused on what it is, i'm concerned on what it can lead to. this isn't a normal relationship(s). just when you think you are in one of these and everyone is cool with it, you find out later, the real discord, sometimes even read about some of these in the newspaper or on the nightly news-no thank you
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i did hear some things to that effect-those are the risky things we are talking about
Looks like bad stuff happens when you get boys and girls in the same bathroom.
https://www.youtube.com/v/I_qdLp5lfvw
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i'm not confused on what it is, i'm concerned on what it can lead to. this isn't a normal relationship(s). just when you think you are in one of these and everyone is cool with it, you find out later, the real discord, sometimes even read about some of these in the newspaper or on the nightly news-no thank you
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What is normal for you or me may not be normal to others.
It's all about personal freedom...well until it's not, and champions of personal freedom want to restrict those freedoms because they don't agree morally
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What is normal for you or me may not be normal to others.
It's all about personal freedom...well until it's not, and champions of personal freedom want to restrict those freedoms because they don't agree morally
i am all for personal freedoms. i am not telling anyone they can't do anything short of breaking the law. all i'm saying is that i disagree with the lifestyle and i personally or any of my children under 18(mine are over 21) would be strongly urged not to partake. now if they wanted to after 18, then, it's pretty much out of my control except for my objections. the same applies to anyone else-high risk behavior leads to high risk...what? euphoria? endorphin/enkephalin blast? peer acknowledgement? because i can? it's on my "bucket list"?
whatever floats your boat man, just don't come crying to me when some "unintended" consequence occurs
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For the moral high ground crowd, the Bible backs Benny. Genesis 2:21-22 - Adam bought himself a sexual partner for the low, low price of one rib. The oldest profession, indeed!
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For the moral high ground crowd, the Bible backs Benny. Genesis 2:21-22 - Adam bought himself a sexual partner for the low, low price of one rib. The oldest profession, indeed!
It's not really clear that Adam consented to this. If not, God is guilty of assault.
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i did hear some things to that effect-those are the risky things we are talking about
Forgive me your original post on the topic seemed crude like she was a run of the mill 15yr old that has major self esteem issues as opposed to someone who's entire world view, especially pertaining to sex, has been warped by the most disgusting people on the planet.
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It's not really clear that Adam consented to this. If not, God is guilty of assault.
Pimpin' ain't easy.
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It's not really clear that Adam consented to this. If not, God is guilty of assault.
There's a terrible pun in here about Lot's wife. I just can't come up with it.
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There's a terrible pun in here about Lot's wife. I just can't come up with it.
Looking back on it now, I think at this point we could probably salt this thread away.
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What is normal for you or me may not be normal to others.
It's all about personal freedom...well until it's not, and champions of personal freedom want to restrict those freedoms because they don't agree morally
If you go with this, then there is no normal....it doesn't exist. If 99.999999999999999% of the world does something and 1 person doesn't because it isn't normal to them...then there is no normal.
This is why normal has a broader definition.
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I've seen it where girls left the house in an appropriate attire, then change on the way there to something way overboard. Good parenting goes far, but only so far.
Dats watt chastity belts are for, ai na?
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There's a terrible pun in here about Lot's wife. I just can't come up with it.
Seriously, it looks to me that God pulled a Bill Cosby on Adam - making him fall asleep, doing things to his body....
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Seriously, it looks to me that God pulled a Bill Cosby on Adam - making him fall asleep, doing things to his body....
Cosbying Adam, waterboarding humanity, "wrestling" with Jacob, killing first-borns in their sleep, etc etc.
Squirmy.
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There's a terrible pun in here about Lot's wife. I just can't come up with it.
There's plenty Gomorrah where that came from?
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There's plenty Gomorrah where that came from?
I said Lot's wife, not Bernie Fine's wife.