Oso planning to go pro
When was the last time you played basketball for several hours in a day? I play once a week for 2 hours and I'm still sore the next day even though I work out pretty much every day. Part of that is certainly due to me being 36...Now do that several times a week (or pretty much every day) over the course of something like 8 months...they need the rest even if they are some of the most elite athletes in the world.Getting guys rest is something I don't have issue with, unless you catch a team with a star taking a night off and you have tickets to said game, but that's purely personal...the no defense thing, while it certainly happens from time to time, I think this is something that is grossly overstated, but that's just my opinion.
It seems like folks are talking about two different things. Any who claims that the product is better at the collegiate level (i.e. Duke/UK can beat the Knicks, Bama can beat the Dolphins) is just stupid. Feel free to call them out to your hearts content. Saying that you prefer the collegiate game for whatever reason is an opinion. Personally I hate it when you see professionals laughing on the bench in the 4th quarter of a 20 point loss. If they know that they're not going to the playoffs, all they care about is that their check arrives on time. That's something that you will never see any college player do.
I was talking about myself. As a fan, I enjoy college basketball more, regardless of talent differences. Not sure how you can possibly take issue with my opinion. I enjoy March Madness more than the NBA Playoffs. I also find the college regular season (conference, at least), more enjoyable than the NBA regular season. Can I have that opinion?
Yes, you are 36...I'm in my 50's. Sorry, but us old timers we used to watch guys play 82 games all the time unless injured...going all the way back to like 5 years ago. LOL. People are paying a fortune to go watch these guys play. Between this, tanking, etc....bad taste in the mouth. The days of playing to the finish, suiting up and giving it your all regardless of score or place in the standings...different world today. Try 75% of the time and get rewarded.
Right. Because the one thing no one can do when they have a bad day at work is laugh. Must be serious. All of the time.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
Load management makes perfect sense considering how many games these guys play. And "no defense?" Anyone who still makes that argument about the NBA doesn't know what they're watching.
Really, you'd be okay with Giannis sitting on the bench laughing at the end of a bucks blowout loss?
I'm not saying that you have to be serious all the time, or that the NBA guys don't care, I'm just saying that this is one element that the professional game has that the collegiate level doesn't, and that's one of the reasons why I prefer the collegiate.
I'm with Chicos. Michael Jordan started all 82 games for 8 of his 14 NBA seasons. It can be done.
Of course man. Like what you like. Too often college basketball fans have the same tired attacks on the NBA to the extend that they then downplay the quality of play or other things, and that I take umbrage with. You're not, its all good.Well said. And thats not factoring in the long flights and other travel. Anyone who has been on a business trip that requires multiple flights and hotels in multiple days can attest to it being exhausting, and thats not factoring in strenuous games on those days. But hey, they get paid so they should suck it up, right?And couldn't agree more about the defense. It certainly has nothing to do with ability. Luka scored 22 in the 1Q the other day and multiple of his bombs were contested with a hand in his face. He certainly wouldn't have made those if they played defense in the NBA like college .
Serious question FBM, do you think Evan Turner really cares what happens on a game to game basis. He's at the end of his career, playing for a team that isn't going to make the playoffs. He can talk about wanting to help the young guys, but he knows that he won't be around the next time the Hawks think they'll have a competitive team. He is there to cash his checks. Do you think that Matt Heldt had a similar midset his Senior year. He knew he wasn't going to be a difference maker, but he still busted his butt off every time he stepped on the court. You get equal passion from scholly 1-13 on college, you do not get that in the NBA. That makes me happy.
Jordan played in 80 or more games in 11 of his 15 seasons. He played 78 in another one.In two years he played less than 20 because he was injured and out.
The long flights? My God. They travel charter now, in the old days they flew commercial half the time. They used to travel by TRAIN! The travel is LESS now than it was even 15 years ago. No Seattle any longer, two teams in Los Angeles, only one team in Canada now. These poor guys, how do they do it with all of this travel. The long travel. LOL. Defense...yup, I'll just ignore the players that say there is no defense...just ignore them. LOL. No different than the rules in the NFL designed to light up the score board, defense is less emphasized. It doesn't exist anymore.“It would be very hard,” Beverley said, “to come into the league today and try to play defense like we did years ago. There is where we’re at. They want to see more scoring, more up-and-down, more points and all that, which is understandable. Of course, it makes it hard for me.”Patrick Beverly“Defense is not allowed. You can’t really play defense in this league. I guess that’s not what they want.”Draymond Green
Is Evan Turner been a problem of some sort? Because I haven't heard anything. He's doing his job. Crossed over Lebron the other night, but generally doing paid for what he supposed to be doing.Watching an amateur working hard at being an amateur isn't anything special for me. I have a rooting interest in Matt Heldt because I'm a Marquette fan. But otherwise I don't really care all that much about watching the Matt Heldt's of the the world playing college basketball.I'd rather watch a talented player going about his job than a passionate run-of-the-mill guy going about his. There's nothing special about passion.
So if it's all about entertainment value, and just watching a guy do his job, why not watch the G-League. Higher scoring, more highlight material, cheaper tickets. College athletes generally play for the name on the front of the jersey, and pros play for the name on the back. Not saying that's the case 100% of the time, not saying that's wrong or that NBA players shouldn't make money, just saying that it's different, and that matters to some people.
You’re such a condescending simplistic jackass with your “LOL” nonsense. I know it’s your internet front cause you’d be laughed out of every boardroom if you reacted to people that disagreed with you in the sam way in a business setting. It’s not a single 3 hour flight. It’s everything that goes into a gameday, plus travel and uneven sleep. Just cause Bob Cousy played 82 games and traveled by train, the league is exactly the same and everyone should. As if the game is remotely the same and athletics and performance hasn’t changed at all. The ability and effort is definitely the same to be an All Star now as when a behind the back dribble used to buckled guys knees and athletes smoked and drank during games. But they make millions, so they should shut up and dribble for your dollar. Extending careers and productivity and ensuring the high level of play in the playoffs cause guys aren’t injured and exhausted is for babies. And you misinterpreted those comments so completely, but that’s par for the course for your agenda driven BS. 2 players who pride themselves and make much of their money from defense are complaining about changes in officiating that support offense, so that means defense is non existent. Ok. Cherry pick more comments made in frustration to support your nonsense that doesn’t fly with anyone but vocal NBA critics.
Oh God. You can't be serious with that cliche. Just because they are paid doesn't mean they don't want to win, don't work hard and aren't good teammates.
And I don't watch the G-League because it's worse basketball.
Didn't say that they aren't. You could work hard and be a great teammate, but at the end of the day, for the vast majority of professional athletes, its about the number next to the dollar sign (just ask dgies his opinion about one Albert Pujols). That is why for sports that I generally don't care about, I end up rooting for the team with the best "stories" (the Blues with Pat Maroon, Laila Anderson etc), and I think a lot of people think the same way about CBB (Sister Jean).
Using what metric? CBB was ripped earlier because of the lack of scoring. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if hitting shots is a criteria for "quality" of basketball, the G-League is outperforming the NBA
Of couse professionals care about getting paid. It is their job. People can get paid for their work, and still do it well and be good teammates.
You guys are starting to sound like the "no one pitches complete games anymore" kind of guys.