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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Sir Lawrence on August 25, 2016, 05:08:53 PM
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I don't often drive to Chicago (usually take the train) but yesterday I did and spotted a billboard near the Illinois/Wisconsin border that read something like "Loyola University, ranked one of the "Best Value" colleges in the nation" and then in parenthesis it said "(don't tell Marquette)."
Anyone else see it? I'm curious as to the marketing rationale.
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Actually, there are two signs:
This one in Wisconsin facing southbound traffic:
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And this one in Illinois facing northbound traffic:
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Ugh, I saw the Marquette one day. Disgusting
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Ugh, I saw the Marquette one day. Disgusting
MU setting out to become LU now, hey. Bypassing the S, ai-na?
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If we're competing with Loyola for students, things must be bad.
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Why? Loyola is a decent school. Same geographic area.
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Why? Loyola is a decent school. Same geographic area.
So MU aspires to decent?
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Loyola is about the same type of school Marquette is. Don't know for sure, but they probably compete for similar students.
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I still don't get it from a marketing strategy.
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So MU aspires to decent?
For most intents and purposes, Loyola and Marquette or pretty equivalent, except that we have a real basketball team and they have a medical school and hospital.
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And Chick, nice job on the pics, but I hope you weren't behind the wheel whilst snapping same. We care about your safety.
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And Chick, nice job on the pics, but I hope you weren't behind the wheel whilst snapping same. We care about your safety.
Actually, a friend of mine whose son goes to Marquette posted these pictures on Facebook.
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If we're competing with Loyola for students, things must be bad.
Yeah good grief. Look at Marquette competing with an Midwestern-Urban-Jesuit school. How low we have fallen...
wait a minute...
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Looks like the billboard had its effect on Scoop.
Wonder if this Board was their target audience.
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To all you guys and gals criticizing Loyola as somehow inferior:
Don't go ripping' on my Ramblers!
My undergrad is from Marquette. I'm a proud Warrior. I was born into a Marquette family and probably will die with a Marquette shirt on. The place means an awful lot to me and I got a great education from the Jesuits.
My MBA is from Loyola. The professors were great and accessible. The learning environment at the Water Tower Campus was good and the classmates I had were wonderful people. Loyola was not easy but essential for the career I had since. I've held my own with Illinois, Northwestern and UC grads.
The reality is the two ads are a reminder of a long-ago border battle between Illinois and Wisconsin. Just over the cheese curtain, Wisconsin had a sign imploring businesses in Illinois to "move your business to Wisconsin..." Illinois responded with its own south of the border sign saying "Lower Taxes -- that's why you move to Illinois."
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Hmm...did MU and LU get a two for one deal on those signs.?
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Hmm...did MU and LU get a two for one deal on those signs.?
My thoughts exactly, it is good publicity for MU. Furthers the brand, that being Jesuit education.
The issue is, stay home or board and not U.S. and World Report rankings.
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We are competing with Loyola for your typical Student. Yes overall Marquette is rated higher and everyone knows we try to compete with a ND or BC for those students but your run of the mill good student looking for an urban medium sized school with name reputation is probably looking at both Loyola and Marquette
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We are competing with Loyola for your typical Student. Yes overall Marquette is rated higher and everyone knows we try to compete with a ND or BC for those students but your run of the mill good student looking for an urban medium sized school with name reputation is probably looking at both Loyola and Marquette
Marquette may want to compete with ND and BC, but the truth is, it's much closer to being Loyola than it is to being either one of those schools. It appears that at least someone at MU is recognizing that.
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Marquette (86) may want to compete with ND (18) and BC (30), but the truth is, it's much closer to being Loyola (99) than it is to being either one of those schools. It appears that at least someone at MU is recognizing that.
FWIW, US News rankings certainly support this statement.
While it's essential to always strive to improve, there's value in recognizing where you stand and who you're competing with. There's no shame in having Marquette realize -- and acknowledge -- that they're competing with Loyola.
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For most intents and purposes, Loyola and Marquette or pretty equivalent, except that we have a real basketball team and they have a medical school and hospital.
It was a big mistake to give up our medical school. That and the football team.
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Better Loyola than the evil Pilarz/Williams plot to put Marquette on par with St. Louis, right?
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It was a big mistake to give up our medical school. That and the football team.
Yes. And no definitely not, A) we're undefeated since 1960 2) the program was hemorrhaging money then, what other things might we not have just to remain competitive III) I feel comfortable saying the basketball program likely would not be as successful or visible had we retained football long term.
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To all you guys and gals criticizing Loyola as somehow inferior:
Don't go ripping' on my Ramblers!
My undergrad is from Marquette. I'm a proud Warrior. I was born into a Marquette family and probably will die with a Marquette shirt on. The place means an awful lot to me and I got a great education from the Jesuits.
My MBA is from Loyola. The professors were great and accessible. The learning environment at the Water Tower Campus was good and the classmates I had were wonderful people. Loyola was not easy but essential for the career I had since. I've held my own with Illinois, Northwestern and UC grads.
The reality is the two ads are a reminder of a long-ago border battle between Illinois and Wisconsin. Just over the cheese curtain, Wisconsin had a sign imploring businesses in Illinois to "move your business to Wisconsin..." Illinois responded with its own south of the border sign saying "Lower Taxes -- that's why you move to Illinois."
Yeah, oleo wars were a real bitch, hey?
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Marquette may want to compete with ND and BC, but the truth is, it's much closer to being Loyola than it is to being either one of those schools.
And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Can we just get back to how stupid the billboards are?
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Can we just get back to how stupid the billboards are?
I'd like to talk about how accurate they are.
Someone posted above that MU has a better rank (86) than Loyola (99) in USNWR. Close, but edge to MU. And I checked the current estimates for tuition, room and board, books, fees, etc. and MU is slightly less expensive (MU about $46k all-in; Loyola about $49k). Again, close, but edge to MU. So how does a slightly lower rank and slightly higher costs make Loyola a better value?
Bit of artistic license by Loyola's ad folks?
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I'd like to talk about how accurate they are.
Someone posted above that MU has a better rank (86) than Loyola (99) in USNWR. Close, but edge to MU. And I checked the current estimates for tuition, room and board, books, fees, etc. and MU is slightly less expensive (MU about $46k all-in; Loyola about $49k). Again, close, but edge to MU. So how does a slightly lower rank and slightly higher costs make Loyola a better value?
Bit of artistic license by Loyola's ad folks?
Washington Monthly ranked Loyola 59 and Marquette 117.
World University Rankings puts Loyola in the 601-650 range and Marquette at 701.
Just gotta find the right source for your school ;)
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Washington Monthly ranked Loyola 59 and Marquette 117.
World University Rankings puts Loyola in the 601-650 range and Marquette at 701.
Just gotta find the right source for your school ;)
Yeah, I suspected some less well known publications had Loyola ahead. They're all subjective.
I had never even heard of Washington Monthly....
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Washington Monthly ranked Loyola 59 and Marquette 117.
World University Rankings puts Loyola in the 601-650 range and Marquette at 701.
Just gotta find the right source for your school ;)
MuScoop Daily ranks Marquette as #1 and Loyola as #499, just ahead of Notre Dame.
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As to the specifics of the ad strategy, it appears as if it is coordinated and at the end of the day ,combined, the two versions of the ad promote the Jesuit collegiate identity. One of the benefits of the Jesuit colleges are that they are well recognized by alum of other Jesuit schools. For example when I am on the West Coast, there are many people who I do business with that are Santa Clara grads and they value and respect Marquette.
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As to the specifics of the ad strategy, it appears as if it is coordinated and at the end of the day ,combined, the two versions of the ad promote the Jesuit collegiate identity. One of the benefits of the Jesuit colleges are that they are well recognized by alum of other Jesuit schools. For example when I am on the West Coast, there are many people who I do business with that are Santa Clara grads and they value and respect Marquette.
That's boring!... you're boring... stop boring everyone!
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It was a big mistake to give up our medical school. That and the football team.
...and a Jesuit as President of the University.
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I've confirmed that it's a joint marketing idea between both schools. Brilliant.
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MuScoop Daily ranks Marquette as #1 and Loyola as #499, just ahead of Notre Dame.
When did ND move up?
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...and a Jesuit as President of the University.
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...and a Jesuit as President of the University.
Because the last one worked out so well?
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I've confirmed that it's a joint marketing idea between both schools. Brilliant.
Gave up football...gave up med school...gave up Warriors...adopted Golden Eagles in faux vote...changed to Gold...then back to Golden Eagles in another faux vote.
Yep, helping pay for an ad that makes MU sound too expensive and Loyola like a better deal sounds like the work of our administration.
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Can we just get back to how stupid the billboards are?
Please...and what an effed up multi campus environment it is
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MuScoop Daily ranks Marquette as #1 and Loyola as #499, just ahead of Notre Dame.
I analyze with this agreement.
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It helps to get their names out there in discussions, social media, news, etc.
It doesn't make sense to me unless...
It was sponsored by the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities.
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Can we just get back to how stupid the billboards are?
Thank God, they're only comparing the schools and not the cities.
(We'd be toast.)
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It helps to get their names out there in discussions, social media, news, etc.
It doesn't make sense to me unless...
It was sponsored by the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities.
Agreed, and it the values, philosophy, world view and not who is president of the university.
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Marquette may want to compete with ND and BC, but the truth is, it's much closer to being Loyola than it is to being either one of those schools. It appears that at least someone at MU is recognizing that.
I see a primary difference in that we have certain programs that are better than almost every other school in the country whereas Loyola doesn't. By the way Loyola took a massive jump these past few years because in 2013 they were about 140ish I believe and in 2008 when I was looking they were even lower.
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I see a primary difference in that we have certain programs that are better than almost every other school in the country whereas Loyola doesn't. By the way Loyola took a massive jump these past few years because in 2013 they were about 140ish I believe and in 2008 when I was looking they were even lower.
There was a story a year or two back about some school (not Loyola) that made huge jumps by playing right to the USNWR rating system - raising its rank, but not necessarily getting any better as a school. Not saying Loyola is doing this, but a huge jump like that makes you wonder.
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Northeastern, ai na?
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Northeastern, ai na?
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/
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Thats funny, cause when I was applying to colleges quite recently, I didn't even put Loyola and Marquette in the same category. Always thought Marquette was wayyy higher on the list. Though admittedly, I was applying for the Marquette Physical Therapy program and Loyola was a 5 minute walk from where I grew up so I was never going to go there for that reason alone.
Really, it comes down to the program moreso than the general school.
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Its GU, ND, and BC, den all da rest, ai na?
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Chick,
Which one of those trailers is Casa Glow?
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I'd like to talk about how accurate they are.
Someone posted above that MU has a better rank (86) than Loyola (99) in USNWR. Close, but edge to MU. And I checked the current estimates for tuition, room and board, books, fees, etc. and MU is slightly less expensive (MU about $46k all-in; Loyola about $49k). Again, close, but edge to MU. So how does a slightly lower rank and slightly higher costs make Loyola a better value?
Bit of artistic license by Loyola's ad folks?
I know the original post mentioned value, but it doesn't appear to be actually mentioned on the billboards, fwiw.
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I'd like to talk about how accurate they are.
Someone posted above that MU has a better rank (86) than Loyola (99) in USNWR. Close, but edge to MU. And I checked the current estimates for tuition, room and board, books, fees, etc. and MU is slightly less expensive (MU about $46k all-in; Loyola about $49k). Again, close, but edge to MU. So how does a slightly lower rank and slightly higher costs make Loyola a better value?
Bit of artistic license by Loyola's ad folks?
BTW, don't pay attention to the "list price." Pay attention to how much students have to pay.
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BTW, don't pay attention to the "list price." Pay attention to how much students have to pay.
The numbers I saw - no idea if they're accurate - showed students getting about the same amounts of aid. Neither particularly good.
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I'd like to talk about how accurate they are.
Someone posted above that MU has a better rank (86) than Loyola (99) in USNWR. Close, but edge to MU. And I checked the current estimates for tuition, room and board, books, fees, etc. and MU is slightly less expensive (MU about $46k all-in; Loyola about $49k). Again, close, but edge to MU. So how does a slightly lower rank and slightly higher costs make Loyola a better value?
Bit of artistic license by Loyola's ad folks?
It really depends on program. Loyola might be worth the extra 3k if your specific program is better at LUC.
edit: and to echo Sultan, list price is meaningless.
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I see a primary difference in that we have certain programs that are better than almost every other school in the country whereas Loyola doesn't. By the way Loyola took a massive jump these past few years because in 2013 they were about 140ish I believe and in 2008 when I was looking they were even lower.
And we are trending in the opposite direction. What's your point?
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I went to both MU (undergrad) and LUC (graduate)...each has pros and cons
At an undergrad level it really comes down to department by department...I'm sure there are some programs that are better than the other at both schools.
While MU has a good business school I think you'd have to give Quinlan the edge due to being in Chicago and the business and corporate contacts you can make while in school. Neither are ranked by US News.
Per US News, LUC's Law School is ranked #72 in the country. MU's is #123
Loyola also has a medical school.
The 2 schools are actually very similar overall. While there are differences (such as MU's basketball program), they are certainly in the same league.
I think the billboards are fine. MU already heavily recruits from the Chicago market, so I don't really know what they will gain. It will probably help LUC tap into Wisconsin more than help MU get more from Chicago.
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And we are trending in the opposite direction. What's your point?
Are we trending opposite or just stagnate? And my point was along the lines of "wow surprised Loyola jumped that high that fast"
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Are we trending opposite or just stagnate? And my point was along the lines of "wow surprised Loyola jumped that high that fast"
We've been heading the wrong direction. I think we peaked in the low 70s
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I know the original post mentioned value, but it doesn't appear to be actually mentioned on the billboards, fwiw.
Yes, that was my mistake, but I just caught a glimpse of the billboard while traveling freeway speeds.
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Yes, that was my mistake, but I just caught a glimpse of the billboard while traveling freeway speeds.
Yeah, no knock on you. Just trying to point it out to anyone getting their feathers ruffled over something that didn't actually happen.........
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We've been heading the wrong direction. I think we peaked in the low 70s
We were 74 my freshman year, I refuse to acknowledge that we are any less than a top 75 university. Though in all honesty a great deal of it is beyond MU's control, if the higher end of applicants choose to go to their reach schools rather than MU then our class will be made up of more of the kids wait listed and such thus lower where we stand. Unfortunately it's been happening more and more.
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The 2 schools are actually very similar overall. While there are differences (such as MU's basketball program), they are certainly in the same league.
Chris Farley and Bob Newhart
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/hi-bob/n10661 (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/hi-bob/n10661)
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Marquette may want to compete with ND and BC, but the truth is, it's much closer to being Loyola than it is to being either one of those schools. It appears that at least someone at MU is recognizing that.
The problem is MU is all talk. They say they want to compete with those schools but at the end of the day they are either unable, or more likely just flat out unwilling to do so. They pretty much only compare themselves to other Jesuit or Catholic schools and more specifically mostly Midwestern Catholic schools? Why??? It seems to me they're only interested in being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic. They don't recruit at public high schools at all unless they're within a 100 mile radius of MKE and MU wears their religious affiliation on their sleeve to a much greater degree than the other catholic / Jesuit schools they claim to aspire to become more like. At the risk of offending almost everyone on this board, the administration's parochial Midwestern ways are holding them back big time. I don't know what happened with the whole Pilarz situation but I always loved the fact that he was an east coast guy and was dead serious about raising MU's profile. After year 1 of the Pilarz administration, MU not only achieved it's highest ever US News ranking, but also made the list of "Most Innovative Schools" Where U.S. News asks top college officials to identify institutions in their ranking category that are making the most innovative improvements in terms of curriculum, faculty, students, campus life, technology or facilities. No doubt Fr. Wild deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well because the school advanced tremendously under his reign, but I suspect because Pilarz was an east coast guy hell bent on playing the game and doing what's necessary to advance the institution such as unceremoniously dumping the FFP program and not being entirely on board with a goal of having 20% of each incoming class be a first generation college student, his advancement over altruism agenda rubbed many on the board the wrong way and they forced him out due to cultural differences between the Northeast and Midwest. Of course I have no idea and am just speculating but that's my take. All I'm saying is, the fact that MU even chose to engage LUC by placing a competing billboard tells you all you need to know.
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Ders more to da former prez' situation. Just sayin', hey?
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Ders more to da former prez' situation. Just sayin', hey?
What a disaster that hire was, hey?
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The problem is MU is all talk. They say they want to compete with those schools but at the end of the day they are either unable, or more likely just flat out unwilling to do so. They pretty much only compare themselves to other Jesuit or Catholic schools and more specifically mostly Midwestern Catholic schools? Why??? It seems to me they're only interested in being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic. They don't recruit at public high schools at all unless they're within a 100 mile radius of MKE and MU wears their religious affiliation on their sleeve to a much greater degree than the other catholic / Jesuit schools they claim to aspire to become more like. At the risk of offending almost everyone on this board, the administration's parochial Midwestern ways are holding them back big time. I don't know what happened with the whole Pilarz situation but I always loved the fact that he was an east coast guy and was dead serious about raising MU's profile. After year 1 of the Pilarz administration, MU not only achieved it's highest ever US News ranking, but also made the list of "Most Innovative Schools" Where U.S. News asks top college officials to identify institutions in their ranking category that are making the most innovative improvements in terms of curriculum, faculty, students, campus life, technology or facilities. No doubt Fr. Wild deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well because the school advanced tremendously under his reign, but I suspect because Pilarz was an east coast guy hell bent on playing the game and doing what's necessary to advance the institution such as unceremoniously dumping the FFP program and not being entirely on board with a goal of having 20% of each incoming class be a first generation college student, his advancement over altruism agenda rubbed many on the board the wrong way and they forced him out due to cultural differences between the Northeast and Midwest. Of course I have no idea and am just speculating but that's my take. All I'm saying is, the fact that MU even chose to engage LUC by placing a competing billboard tells you all you need to know.
The sad thing about it all, is we have a great platform to build off of and could truly be an important national university if we went about it in a thoughtful way. The kids actually get a very good education and we really need to market that harder and in a more sophisticated way.
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BTW, don't pay attention to the "list price." Pay attention to how much students have to pay.
Agreed. Assume a 20-30% haircut off the top of list price. Unless you are international...then you are being recruited specifically because you will pay list.
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The problem is MU is all talk. They say they want to compete with those schools but at the end of the day they are either unable, or more likely just flat out unwilling to do so. They pretty much only compare themselves to other Jesuit or Catholic schools and more specifically mostly Midwestern Catholic schools? Why??? It seems to me they're only interested in being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic. They don't recruit at public high schools at all unless they're within a 100 mile radius of MKE and MU wears their religious affiliation on their sleeve to a much greater degree than the other catholic / Jesuit schools they claim to aspire to become more like. At the risk of offending almost everyone on this board, the administration's parochial Midwestern ways are holding them back big time. I don't know what happened with the whole Pilarz situation but I always loved the fact that he was an east coast guy and was dead serious about raising MU's profile. After year 1 of the Pilarz administration, MU not only achieved it's highest ever US News ranking, but also made the list of "Most Innovative Schools" Where U.S. News asks top college officials to identify institutions in their ranking category that are making the most innovative improvements in terms of curriculum, faculty, students, campus life, technology or facilities. No doubt Fr. Wild deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well because the school advanced tremendously under his reign, but I suspect because Pilarz was an east coast guy hell bent on playing the game and doing what's necessary to advance the institution such as unceremoniously dumping the FFP program and not being entirely on board with a goal of having 20% of each incoming class be a first generation college student, his advancement over altruism agenda rubbed many on the board the wrong way and they forced him out due to cultural differences between the Northeast and Midwest. Of course I have no idea and am just speculating but that's my take. All I'm saying is, the fact that MU even chose to engage LUC by placing a competing billboard tells you all you need to know.
Those accolades were all Wild's doing. Pilarz deserves zero credit for something that happened a year after he first saw campus.
Pilarz couldn't fundraise. He was probably a decent guy, but it was an untenable situation. Fr. Wild cleaned up the mess admirably, but damage had been done.
Jury is still out on Lovell. Lots of positives, but also a few negatives.
There will never be another Bob A. Wild. Him and Raynor were Jesuit giants. Let's hope future administrations honor that legacy.
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The problem is MU is all talk. They say they want to compete with those schools but at the end of the day they are either unable, or more likely just flat out unwilling to do so. They pretty much only compare themselves to other Jesuit or Catholic schools and more specifically mostly Midwestern Catholic schools? Why??? It seems to me they're only interested in being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic. They don't recruit at public high schools at all unless they're within a 100 mile radius of MKE and MU wears their religious affiliation on their sleeve to a much greater degree than the other catholic / Jesuit schools they claim to aspire to become more like. At the risk of offending almost everyone on this board, the administration's parochial Midwestern ways are holding them back big time. I don't know what happened with the whole Pilarz situation but I always loved the fact that he was an east coast guy and was dead serious about raising MU's profile. After year 1 of the Pilarz administration, MU not only achieved it's highest ever US News ranking, but also made the list of "Most Innovative Schools" Where U.S. News asks top college officials to identify institutions in their ranking category that are making the most innovative improvements in terms of curriculum, faculty, students, campus life, technology or facilities. No doubt Fr. Wild deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well because the school advanced tremendously under his reign, but I suspect because Pilarz was an east coast guy hell bent on playing the game and doing what's necessary to advance the institution such as unceremoniously dumping the FFP program and not being entirely on board with a goal of having 20% of each incoming class be a first generation college student, his advancement over altruism agenda rubbed many on the board the wrong way and they forced him out due to cultural differences between the Northeast and Midwest. Of course I have no idea and am just speculating but that's my take. All I'm saying is, the fact that MU even chose to engage LUC by placing a competing billboard tells you all you need to know.
Why do you care so much about Marquette raising its profile? Marquette is what it is...a very good, midwestern Catholic university. Why does it have to be the next Georgetown? Or Boston College? Is "being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic" that bad?
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So, middle of da road, ai na?
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Pilarz was not good, it had nothing to do with being a New York guy.
He couldn't fundraise, instead of trying to wine and dine donors, he made them read poetry, he drank A LOT (I'm not just talking about your average beer with a meal with the occasional binge) and he was never involved with the campus community. I don't ever think I saw him strolling through campus during hos entire tenure.
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he drank A LOT
Well he is a Jesuit, no surprises there
I've heard Fr Wild likes his scotch as well. The question is are you drinking socially to build relationships or pounding bottles alone on the 5th floor of the AMU. Big difference.
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Well he is a Jesuit, no surprises there
I've heard Fr Wild likes his scotch as well. The question is are you drinking socially to build relationships or pounding bottles alone on the 5th floor of the AMU. Big difference.
I agree with this analysis.
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For most intents and purposes, Loyola and Marquette or pretty equivalent, except that we have a real basketball team and they have a medical school and hospital.
They dumped their dental school program in 1993
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The problem is MU is all talk. They say they want to compete with those schools but at the end of the day they are either unable, or more likely just flat out unwilling to do so. They pretty much only compare themselves to other Jesuit or Catholic schools and more specifically mostly Midwestern Catholic schools? Why??? It seems to me they're only interested in being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic. They don't recruit at public high schools at all unless they're within a 100 mile radius of MKE and MU wears their religious affiliation on their sleeve to a much greater degree than the other catholic / Jesuit schools they claim to aspire to become more like. At the risk of offending almost everyone on this board, the administration's parochial Midwestern ways are holding them back big time. I don't know what happened with the whole Pilarz situation but I always loved the fact that he was an east coast guy and was dead serious about raising MU's profile. After year 1 of the Pilarz administration, MU not only achieved it's highest ever US News ranking, but also made the list of "Most Innovative Schools" Where U.S. News asks top college officials to identify institutions in their ranking category that are making the most innovative improvements in terms of curriculum, faculty, students, campus life, technology or facilities. No doubt Fr. Wild deserves a tremendous amount of credit as well because the school advanced tremendously under his reign, but I suspect because Pilarz was an east coast guy hell bent on playing the game and doing what's necessary to advance the institution such as unceremoniously dumping the FFP program and not being entirely on board with a goal of having 20% of each incoming class be a first generation college student, his advancement over altruism agenda rubbed many on the board the wrong way and they forced him out due to cultural differences between the Northeast and Midwest. Of course I have no idea and am just speculating but that's my take. All I'm saying is, the fact that MU even chose to engage LUC by placing a competing billboard tells you all you need to know.
"Catholic"??? Must be da new normal then, huhyeahhuhyeahhuhyeah?
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Why do you care so much about Marquette raising its profile? Marquette is what it is...a very good, midwestern Catholic university. Why does it have to be the next Georgetown? Or Boston College? Is "being a great catholic university and not a great university that happens to be catholic" that bad?
Because when you both come from, and currently live in a place where only maybe a third of people.... and I'm talking exclusively about college educated professionals and their high school aged children.... have even heard of Marquette, despite eight successful years of NCAA tournament runs during the Buzz Williams era which wasn't that long ago, it gets to you after a while. I used to help out and volunteer to represent MU at college fairs but I don't anymore because very few students/parents stopped by the MU table compared to most of the other schools there and these college fairs were all at Catholic high schools because as I've said before Marquette does not make an effort to recruit at public schools in this part of the country (metro NYC).
Distance has absolutely nothing to do with it. The USC, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Duke, Michigan, Wisconsin, UC Boulder, Northwestern, UT Austin, Claremont McKenna, tables were all packed. I could name 15 more off the top of my head but I won't for the sake of brevity. My point is all of these schools are at least as far away from NYC as Marquette is and a TON of kids from the NYC area go to these schools. Hell my high school in southwestern CT has 10-12 students applying to UW Madison each year and most years at least 1 and usually two or three kids end up going there. Keep in mind their parents are paying out of state tuition which is comparable to private. The last person to apply to Marquette University from my high school, let alone actually attend there was me. I graduated from high school in the late 80s. Again this same high school gets 10–12 kids applying to UW Madison and two or three usually end up going every year. That was the case in the 80s and is still the case today, so yes I have a chip on my shoulder and it bothers me big time. Perhaps it shouldn't but it does.
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.Distance has absolutely nothing to do with it. The USC, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Duke, Michigan, Wisconsin, UC Boulder, Northwestern, UT Austin, Claremont McKenna, tables were all packed. I could name 15 more off the top of my head but I won't for the sake of brevity.
Thank goodness for NCAA probation...
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They dumped their dental school program in 1993
Interesting story about Loyola's dental school BEFORE it was closed of course...a fellow student in my class was being asked/told to leave due to grades and probably some bad choices reflecting badly on the dental profession in general. Well he/she didn't leave without a fight and ended up finishing and becoming a dentist thru Loyola. Long story short, this person made it approx. 8-10 years before getting their license revoked for....bad decisions in dentistry.
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Interesting story about Loyola's dental school BEFORE it was closed of course...a fellow student in my class was being asked/told to leave due to grades and probably some bad choices reflecting badly on the dental profession in general. Well he/she didn't leave without a fight and ended up finishing and becoming a dentist thru Loyola. Long story short, this person made it approx. 8-10 years before getting their license revoked for....bad decisions in dentistry.
Was it Dr. Tim Whatley?
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Was it Dr. Tim Whatley?
Nope, unless dr. Tim Whatley was able to "wow" the customers on amateur night down on 26th and state for a little extra "book money" chili has fond recollections of this person during his Schroeder days
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Nope, unless dr. Tim Whatley was able to "wow" the customers on amateur night down on 26th and state for a little extra "book money" chili has fond recollections of this person during his Schroeder days
(http://kramersapartment.com/wp-content/uploads/tim-whatley-1.jpg)
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You're an anti-dentite!
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Bump.
Can't wait to see the billboards after March Madness ends.
LUC should be able to ride the Flutie Effect for 2018-19, and likely 2019-20.
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Bump.
Can't wait to see the billboards after March Madness ends.
LUC should be able to ride the Flutie Effect for 2018-19, and likely 2019-20.
They need to manage that carefully.
Butler made a huge mistake in that regard. Their applications skyrocketed, but they accepted far fewer applications than they should have. They failed to take into account that many of the applicants were basically looky-loos and the number of students who actually enrolled fell far short of targets. Less than two years after their first national championship appearance, they were forced to make budget cuts and lay off staff.
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Loyola has already had two straight years of record enrollment. Apparently several hundred teenagers knew something was coming.