Carlino 3-14

[Warrior of Law]

What are you going to do? The guy struggled (3-14 from the floor) and, as a result, they lose.  If he hits any of those bombs its a different outcome. He was terrible today. End of story.

[murphmurphy]

You forgot to mention he plays no defense.  This team is not going to win the Big East so when Carlino is playing poorly give Cohen some minutes and experience.

[Class71]

What are you going to do? The guy struggled (3-14 from the floor) and, as a result, they lose.  If he hits any of those bombs its a different outcome. He was terrible today. End of story.

I we had beat DePaul by 1 would have been better than a loss but offers little comfort. Also there were a host of other dunderhead plays by this team. A bad shooting day by one player is only one part of a very large problem.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

3-14 understates his awfulness on both ends of the floor.  He was also responsible for several misses by others when he forced the ball to them with the shot clock expiring.

Not a lot of choices this year, however.  It's a rebuilding year.

[warriorfan 14]

and we wonder why depaul was happy to see him go. he can hit some shots and will win us at least one other game, but when he isn't hitting shots his piss poor defense and stupid defense will lose us just as many if not more.

[tower912]

You mean BYU. 

[314warrior]

If the Mormons at BYU weren't so damn nice, they'd probably be enjoying a nice frosty mug of schadenfreude.

[tower912]

If the Mormons at BYU weren't so damn nice, they'd probably be enjoying a nice frosty mug of schadenfreude.

As long as it was non-alcoholic and caffeine free. 

[wadesworld]

We're going to do this after every bad game he has aren't we?

[wadesworld]

Even after today's 1-10 shooting from 3 point land by Carlino, he is shooting 45% from 3 point range.  You're really going to say he's useless and that this is why the Mormons are glad to see him go?  I, for one, am glad he is on the team.  Can you imagine JJJ, Duane, Juan, and Luke (the only other guys on the team who have a chance to have big scoring games really) trying to score without Carlino's ability to spread a defense (okay, at least Duane can shoot the 3 as well so I'll give him that too).  He's shooting 41% from the field.  While not great, it's not brutal like you guys are acting like it is.  And again, 45% from 3 point rainge!  On 4 attempts per game!  That's really, really good.  He's averaging 12.3 ppg, 4.1 apg, 3 rpg, 1.2 spg, and 1.9 turnovers/game.  I, for one, am glad he's a Warrior.  The fact of the matter is, we just aren't a very good team.  Not sure why people thought we would be or what they expected.

Why are we discussing how bad Carlino is when I see no mention of STJ's 1-7 shooting.  At least Carlino has shown up for more than 1 game this season.

[tower912]

Fair point, Wades.   I, too, am glad he is at MU.   But he is what he is.   He is what he was at BYU.   He can shoot you into games, he can shoot you out of games.   Today was a bad day.   There is no way to spin it. 

[GGGG]

I agree completely with Wades.  He was brutal today, but this team would be completely lost without Carlino. 

[brewcity77]

Carlino can win you games and Carlino can lose you games. The hope is that most of the time when he's off the mark, he has the sense to defer to other shooters. When he keeps shooting, this happens.

Still a good player and valuable member of the team, but we all knew what we were getting.

[wadesworld]

What I have noticed is that he has been willing to defer shots to the hot hand when he isn't hot.  The problem is, nobody was hot today.  This was a total team loss.  Nobody played well, including Carlino.

[connie]

What I have noticed is that he has been willing to defer shots to the hot hand when he isn't hot.  The problem is, nobody was hot today.  This was a total team loss.  Nobody played well, including Carlino.

While I agree, for some reason Carlino pi$$es me off.  When he is having a game THIS bad, put in Cohen.

[warriorfan 14]

While I agree, for some reason Carlino pi$$es me off.  When he is having a game THIS bad, put in Cohen.

agreed, you can't play seven guys and expect too succeed in the big east. season looks like a lost cause...give the young guys a chance...lets not pull another buzz williams with this season

[mattyv1908]

agreed, you can't play seven guys and expect too succeed in the big east. season looks like a lost cause...give the young guys a chance...lets not pull another buzz williams with this season

You could argue we already have.

[chapman]

While I agree, for some reason Carlino pi$$es me off.  When he is having a game THIS bad, put in Cohen.

Yep, play him when he's on.  Don't ride him for 36 minutes when he's terrible.  Cohen getting a DNP and JJ only 17 minutes  isn't cool when the offense gets that bogged down.

[GGGG]

JJJ only had 17 minutes?  Yeah, while he did have some bonehead plays, that isn't nearly enough.

[Warrior of Law]

Carlino is still essential to the teams success. When he's bad, we're doomed. Cohen sitting was a surprise.

[Dawson Rental]

agreed, you can't play seven guys and expect too succeed in the big east. season looks like a lost cause...give the young guys a chance...lets not pull another buzz williams with this season

I think you mean young guy, singular.  Just eight scholarship guys this semester.  Is not playing walkons "pulling a Buzz Williams"?

I don't know why Cohen didn't play today.  It was a surprise given the fact that he he's gotten into every game prior, IIRC.  His outside shooting would have helped.  It could have been health related.  A lot of flu going around these days.

I continue to take issue in general with the "play the young guys" philosophy.  If someone doesn't show in practice that they know what they are doing on the court, I agree that throwing them out there to learn "on the fly" seems to be a poor choice.  Why then should anyone bother leaning the offense and defense in practice?

[connie]

I think you mean young guy, singular.  Just eight scholarship guys this semester.  Is not playing walkons "pulling a Buzz Williams"?

I don't know why Cohen didn't play today.  It was a surprise given the fact that he he's gotten into every game prior, IIRC.  His outside shooting would have helped.  It could have been health related.  A lot of flu going around these days.

I continue to take issue in general with the "play the young guys" philosophy.  If someone doesn't show in practice that they know what they are doing on the court, I agree that throwing them out there to learn "on the fly" seems to be a poor choice.  Why then should anyone bother leaning the offense and defense in practice?

If the choice involves playing a one year super(ha)- senior in a year with little hope versus a freshman with a good upside I am all in with the freshman.  I don't know if we are at that point yet, but we hung around on the perimeter last year long enough to leave us with the worst possible situation, and I do not want to find the team in that position again.

[murara1994]

We've only got 8 guys. If you can't earn time in an 8 man rotation that's on you, not the coach. Seriously the complaints on message boards like this are ridiculous.

[hairy worthen]

As long as it was non-alcoholic and caffeine free. 

And served up by multiple wives

[ecompt]

JJJ only had 17 minutes?  Yeah, while he did have some bonehead plays, that isn't nearly enough.

The two fast breaks killed us. DuWil going in 1=-on-2 and losing the ball and Derrick making the incredibly boneheaded decision to give the ball to Luke.

[wadesworld]

The two fast breaks killed us. DuWil going in 1=-on-2 and losing the ball and Derrick making the incredibly boneheaded decision to give the ball to Luke.

Yeah why would you ever pass the ball to your 6'11" big man running the floor in transition?  What an incredibly bonehead decision by Derrick, he's the one at fault there 

[hairy worthen]

Yeah why would you ever pass the ball to your 6'11" big man running the floor in transition?  What an incredibly bonehead decision by Derrick, he's the one at fault there 

No you re wrong here. He had duwil ahead on the break for an easy basket he didn't pass it instead held the ball too longb

[GGGG]

No you re wrong here. He had duwil ahead on the break for an easy basket he didn't pass it instead held the ball too longb

OK in this same thread, we have read that Derrick held the ball too long, or he didn't hold it long enough.

I thought getting the ball to the middle was what the right play.  Luke isn't like Otule out there.  He is agile and good enough with the ball to make the right decision.  And he didn't.

At least that is what I remember.  At this point I probably need to see it again.

[willie warrior]

OK in this same thread, we have read that Derrick held the ball too long, or he didn't hold it long enough.

I thought getting the ball to the middle was what the right play.  Luke isn't like Otule out there.  He is agile and good enough with the ball to make the right decision.  And he didn't.

At least that is what I remember.  At this point I probably need to see it again.

You are correct on that Sultan. Why wouldn't any guy pass it to a 6' 11" guy who was running the floor for the jam? It was the right play. It is unfortunate that the defender got there in time to win an academy award from the ref for his great acting flop. That should have been a no call. Home town referee cooking, there.

[GGGG]

willie that was about as easy a charging call as you can make.  Garrett was standing outside the circle, perfectly still, with plenty of time.

[ecompt]

Yeah why would you ever pass the ball to your 6'11" big man running the floor in transition?  What an incredibly bonehead decision by Derrick, he's the one at fault there 

If you have a 3 on 1 and the 1 is in the middle, who do you pass the ball into the middle? Derrick was nowhere near to fault for the loss (he played a very good first half and rebounded well) but if he keeps that ball we get a layup.

[muhoops1]

I can live with missed shots.  What disappointed me about Carlino was how careless he was with the ball.  How he'd hold it for 3/4 of the possesion and then go into panic mode.  Didn't see a lot of Senior leadership from him yesterday.  Was hoping he'd get the hook and Wojo would try Duane.

[Golden Avalanche]

I can live with missed shots.  What disappointed me about Carlino was how careless he was with the ball.  How he'd hold it for 3/4 of the possesion and then go into panic mode.  Didn't see a lot of Senior leadership from him yesterday.  Was hoping he'd get the hook and Wojo would try Duane.

Agree on both counts:

Carlino had many open looks in the first half, like the majority of Marquette against the worst defense played by a DI team arguably in history. He simply missed them. That's fine. Another night, he'll take the same open shots and finish 10 of 14.

What killed MU was suddenly around the 11 minute mark left in game they decided to faux stall offense which mostly relied upon Carlino dribbling in no man's land 35 feet from the hoop. This left it too easy for the Demons to collapse in and out of their double on Luke thus limiting Carlino's outlet to wings who couldn't shake a bowl of jello last night.

P.S. On the 3-on-1 break that turned into a terrible foul, I thought Derrick made a mistake not throwing an immediate outlet to Duane, however, once the mistake was made he chose the right option in dumping to Luke in middle. Problem became they were too deep into the lane and didn't allow Luke any room other than to barrel over the assistant coach's son.

[willie warrior]

willie that was about as easy a charging call as you can make.  Garrett was standing outside the circle, perfectly still, with plenty of time.

Wasn't that easy a call. The contact was a brush--it was a major flop. Easy to make a no call.

[GGGG]

Wasn't that easy a call. The contact was a brush--it was a major flop. Easy to make a no call.

The board largely disagrees with you...per usual.

[MU82]

The board largely disagrees with you...per usual.

It was the single most obvious charge I have seen this season as both a fan and a youth basketball ref. Garrett was standing there waiting for him and didn't even move a hair. Every ref at every level would have made the call.

[willie warrior]

The board largely disagrees with you...per usual.

Only in your mind Sultan do you think that everybody agrees with your intelligent insights, such as Otule was better than Gardner. We know that you are a legend in your mind. And of course, your analysis of the gamechanger. Everybody agrees with you on that too. And of course that Buzz was the greatest coach in MU history-of course everybody on this board agrees with you on that also.
Because your analysis is all that matters.

[tower912]

Willie, Otule was better than Gardner on the defensive end.   Buzz was the best coach at MU since Al.   Sultan has never said that Derrick is a gamechanger, he has said that he is the best option available.    Why the hate?

[mattyv1908]

Willie, Otule was better than Gardner on the defensive end.   Buzz was the best coach at MU since Al.   Sultan has never said that Derrick is a gamechanger, he has said that he is the best option available.    Why the hate?

I'd argue that making a final four, seeing Marquette from CUSA to the Big East, and leaving for one of the historical blue bloods rather than a basketball nobody gives the nod to Crean even though personally I liked Buzz way better.

[tower912]

I have nothing but appreciation for what Coach Crean did at MU.   The Final 4 was amazing.  Shepherding the team into the Big East was huge.   Props.    Buzz had 5 tourney appearances, 8 tourney wins, a Big East Championship, in 6 years.   Crean had 5 tourney appearances, 5 tourney wins, and a CUSA championship in 9 years.   I am not going to get into a big fight over this, but IMO the numbers favor Buzz. 

[Lennys Tap]

I'd argue that making a final four, seeing Marquette from CUSA to the Big East, and leaving for one of the historical blue bloods rather than a basketball nobody gives the nod to Crean even though personally I liked Buzz way better.

I couldn't care less where a coach goes after he leaves. It has zero to do with what he did for Marquette. Zero. Al McGuire never won another game after he left MU and I don't care about that either. When he was here, Buzz won a Big East title and finished 2nd once. Crean's best Big East season was a 4th place. Buzz made it past the first weekend in the NCAA 3 times in 6 years, Crean once in 9. Buzz won 8 NCAA tournament games in 6 seasons, Crean won 5 in 9 (4 of them in one year). I give Crean extra credit for the Final Four, but the program had much more sustained success under Buzz.