Oso planning to go pro
There response was that it is all lies, and that the PCR tests don't even work, and if it was real you'd see it being reported on the "real" news (e.g. Foxnews, OANN, Newsmax), but it isn't, its only on the "fake" news. They and their family are proudly unvaccinated.
Vaccinated America is at the point of saying "unnatural carnal knowledge these pretty boys".This is a case where stupidity really is lethal. If they were harming only themselves it would be one thing, but they are affecting everyone else as well.
Vaccinated America is at the point of saying "unnatural carnal knowledge these pretty boys".
Or past the point. The ignorance is stunning. The gene pool gets stronger every time another vaccine denier dies. My concern is for the kids of these ignorant clods and the innocent people who will suffer.
Right now multiple states are out of hospital beds for kids. ICUs full of dying 30-40 year old COVID patients. Hospitals overwhelmed. Almost completely across the south, and GOP strongholds. If you turn on most news networks, you have interviews with hospital administrators and local government health leaders (most likely actually traditional GOP supporters) imploring people to get vaccinated and talking about how this wave is unprecedented. This should have an impact in those states....except...the GOP stronghold states where this is occurring are not watching traditional news networks. They are watching Foxnews, OANN, and Newsmax, where you will see almost zero reporting on any of this. Instead it is focusing on border security, Chinese conspiracy theories, and anything you can possibly spin as negative for Biden/Congress.That absurd inaction is killing people.I emphasize this because of a real conversation I had with a person from one of these states hard hit. Traditional Southern Republican, who was attacking a local official for putting a mask mandate in schools. I asked them what should be done, if no masks, given how overwhelmed hospitals are and the surge in cases amongst the young. There response was that it is all lies, and that the PCR tests don't even work, and if it was real you'd see it being reported on the "real" news (e.g. Foxnews, OANN, Newsmax), but it isn't, its only on the "fake" news. They and their family are proudly unvaccinated.
From what I’ve read while the number of kids being hospitalized has gone up with Delta but despite that it’s nowhere near the number of hospitalizations in kids due to RSV. If you want parents who are against masks to get on board the media should start highlighting RSV over Covid, much more dangerous to kids.
It's not ignorance. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and using that word implies that if provided with knowledge a person would adjust their perspective/actions. This is a complete lack of concern or caring for other people. The disheartening thing is that it's not just this subject, it's pretty much a universal approach to all issues.
So the theory here is that 600K+ Americans dead, 10,000's of hours of media coverage of the seriousness of COVID, a complete upending of 'normal', etc. didn't convince these parents to believe masking is important but changing the message to RSV will convince them? Not a chance.The only thing that has a shot at changing their minds, and even this is questionable, is if their own kids get serious ill.
Do you have #'s for current hospitalizations of delta vs RSV?
I hope Pace has the data, all I can find is data per state, so choosing Wisconsin I see about 120 RSV positives per week, and about 8400 covid cases per week (both moving averages, though different timeframes). https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/nrevss/images/rsvstate/RSV4PPCent3AVG_StateWI.htmhttps://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases
RSV almost exclusively hospitalizes kids…to compare weekly Covid cases to RSV is apples and oranges. I’ll try to track down if there is RSV tracking data. Remember reading a story earlier this week from Texas that 90% of kids hospitalized of respiratory illness was because of RSV, not Covid but I’ll do some digging.
Each year in the United States, RSV leads, on average, to approximately—2.1 million outpatient visits among children younger than 5 years old158,000 hospitalizations among children younger than 5 years old2177,000 hospitalizations among adults 65 years and older314,000 deaths among adults 65 years and older3
CDC averages certainly don't show that. Certainly a lot of outpatient visits, but not hospitalizations (vs the elderly at about 3x the rate).https://www.cdc.gov/rsv/research/us-surveillance.htmledit, and again, there were only 2200 RSV detections in the entire country last week. I have a feeling you've been misinformed about the # of hospitalizations:https://www.cdc.gov/surveillance/nrevss/images/trend_images/RSV14Num_Nat.htm
Thanks. I'd just like to see the evidence you're referencing.
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.htmlIn 2020 and 2021 combined per above link from CDC there were only 3500 hospitalizations for kids 17 and younger for Covid.
Seems woefully out of date, given that 1,600 kids were hospitalized with COVID just last week alone.https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/covid-children-hospitals-schools-reopen-503885
https://www.cdc.gov/rsv/research/us-surveillance.htmlLink above shows on average almost 60,000 hospitalizations a year with RSV just for kids 5 or younger. More then 2.1 million outpatient visits on average (for just 5 years and younger alone)https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.htmlIn 2020 and 2021 combined per above link from CDC there were only 3500 hospitalizations for kids 17 and younger for Covid. And if this RSV season is off to an earlier start then normal will be interesting to see how bad it gets once we hit the normal peak season of Nov/Dec.
The Covid data isn’t remotely accurate. TX alone has had 5800+ children hospitalized, 15% of which occurred in the last month alone.Children’s hospitals are filling up with COVID patients. Yes, it is made worse by RSV, but COVID is more dangerous for kids than RSV. This is just a fact.Curious what right wing source is pumping these RSV arguments, because it is one that is widely circulating amongst the GOP base, and one contradicted by actual data.
Curious what right wing source is pumping these RSV arguments, because it is one that is widely circulating amongst the GOP base, and one contradicted by actual data.
“COVID, I view as a very minor risk,” DeSantis said. “RSV is a little more serious and it just shows certain things that are focused on versus not. I’ve had doctors tell me that parents have come in with kids who were sick that have gotten a negative COVID test and a positive RSV and the parents were relived at that.”The governor said that data shows that fewer kids are getting sick with COVID-19 and they are more likely to get respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV, than COVID-19.
Sorry forgetful you’re not following the science on this one. And I don’t think the argument is what one is worse the. The other. They’re both bad, one has just led to unbelievable social and educational disruption.