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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: #UnleashSean on February 07, 2015, 01:53:03 PM
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Let's not make 14000 posts about how Carlino drags the team down and they would have played better without him all year. It's not true. Let's stop this nonsense here and now. Thanks.
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But there were much less turnovers on drives today
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Matt is not the problem. Starting three PGs is the problem.
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Matt is not the problem. Starting three PGs is the problem.
+1000
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Let's not make 14000 posts about how Carlino drags the team down and they would have played better without him all year. It's not true. Let's stop this nonsense here and now. Thanks.
Not one person that I can see said the team would have played better without him ALL YEAR....not one.
Not sure what nonsense you are talking about. Legitimate question is whether we had become too reliant, too stagnant with him in the lineup? Today was the first time to test that theory. Interesting results. I'd like Carlino to be playing, he is a talented player, but that doesn't mean at times we stand and watch....because the guys do. The spacing isn't very great. There are tradeoffs with lineups.
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Kind of a pointless debate anyway. Add or take away any regular player and the game plan and team have to adjust. MU adjusted very well to having no effective outside shooter today. Good for them.
Also, despite not being able to score in the last few minutes again they hung on and won. All I can say is it is about time a little luck came their way.
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Not one person that I can see said the team would have played better without him ALL YEAR....not one.
Not sure what nonsense you are talking about. Legitimate question is whether we had become too reliant, too stagnant with him in the lineup? Today was the first time to test that theory. Interesting results. I'd like Carlino to be playing, he is a talented player, but that doesn't mean at times we stand and watch....because the guys do. The spacing isn't very great. There are tradeoffs with lineups.
What were the interesting results?
The fact that we scored our 4th lowest point total of the season and beat a very average team only because they couldn't make a shot?
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What were the interesting results?
The fact that we scored our 4th lowest point total of the season and beat a very average team only because they couldn't make a shot?
I'd say that beating a former top 25 team on the road qualifies as an interesting result.
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I'd say that beating a former top 25 team on the road qualifies as an interesting result.
Did you think that Seton Hall played well? They shot 30% from the field and Steve Taylor had the game of his life. I don't see how Matt sitting out has anything to do with how bad Seton Hall was on both ends of the floor.
It's an interesting debate but regardless of how you feel about it, we were amazingly one-dimensional without Matt. Seton Hall allowed that to work for us today but I couldn't imagine us continuing to be as competitive in games with that formula.
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Not one person that I can see said the team would have played better without him ALL YEAR....not one.
Not sure what nonsense you are talking about. Legitimate question is whether we had become too reliant, too stagnant with him in the lineup? Today was the first time to test that theory. Interesting results. I'd like Carlino to be playing, he is a talented player, but that doesn't mean at times we stand and watch....because the guys do. The spacing isn't very great. There are tradeoffs with lineups.
In what way were the results "interesting?" It was our 4th lowest scoring game of the season. So, interesting in showing that our offense is less productive with Carlino in? Didn't seem like that was the point of the thread you made, but maybe I just misread...
We have now played Seton Hall twice. Once with Carlino in which our offense scored 70 points, once without him in which our offense scored 57 points. Interesting, I agree.
The difference was Seton Hall's offense looked like what Marquette's usual offense looked like...a lot of missed 5 footers and in. Thankfully time ran out before we gave up another big lead.
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Let's not make 14000 posts about how Carlino drags the team down and they would have played better without him all year. It's not true. Let's stop this nonsense here and now. Thanks.
I respectfully disagree. The team has a much better chemistry without him. Yes he is doing well from a very narrow perspective of himself. The objective of the game is for the team to win.
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I respectfully disagree. The team has a much better chemistry without him. Yes he is doing well from a very narrow perspective of himself. The objective of the game is for the team to win.
They scored 57 points. A quarter of them were because Jim Burr was reffing. how in the world did they have more chemistry?
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MU had its third-worst offensive outing of the year. Only the games against Becky and Nova were worse.
Fischer and Taylor were the only ones with statistically strong offensive games.
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I'm a carlino fan, have defended him all year. However, I don't think its coincidence that MU played man-to-man without him today. He's as much a liability on defense as Wilson is on offense.
I'm excited for next year though, Wilson-Fischer-Cohen-Taylor-JJJ is a solid foundation. Add a top 5 class, Wally and a Juco and they'll compete for a tourney spot.
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They scored 57 points. A quarter of them were because Jim Burr was reffing. how in the world did they have more chemistry?
They had more team chemistry because Wojo and Carlino are the two people that TW doesn't like and so if something can possibly fit into his narrow and incorrect viewpoints, he is going to post it. Carlino was not why they lost to Seton Hall at home and him not playing is not why they won today. Pretty much everyone can see that. TW can't, even if presented with logic and fact about us scoring far less points this time and Seton Hall missing a lot of 5 footers.
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In what way were the results "interesting?" It was our 4th lowest scoring game of the season. So, interesting in showing that our offense is less productive with Carlino in? Didn't seem like that was the point of the thread you made, but maybe I just misread...
We have now played Seton Hall twice. Once with Carlino in which our offense scored 70 points, once without him in which our offense scored 57 points. Interesting, I agree.
The difference was Seton Hall's offense looked like what Marquette's usual offense looked like...a lot of missed 5 footers and in. Thankfully time ran out before we gave up another big lead.
First conference road win of the season
First true road win in 345+ days
First win without Carlino this season
First win in a long time where Steve Taylor played a solid game
First game where we have held a solid team to that level of shooting defensively (I don't consider Carlino a great defender)
I found these and other data points.....interesting.....
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Matt is not the problem. Starting three PGs is the problem.
I'd say more that our three best players are all point guards is the problem.
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I'd say more that our three best players are all point guards is the problem.
Awesome troll post Brew!
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First conference road win of the season
First true road win in 345+ days
First win without Carlino this season
First win in a long time where Steve Taylor played a solid game
First game where we have held a solid team to that level of shooting defensively (I don't consider Carlino a great defender)
I found these and other data points.....interesting.....
Chicos - You are trying to rationally explain your position to an irrational individual in Wadesworld. Though he has an incredible past history of success playing volleyball - he is never wrong in any of his basketball related takes. Good luck.
There is no doubt the team is better defensively with Carlino not playing. However, due to us being so challenged offensively with our PG - I feel you need Carlino out there. Quite frankly, Wojo just needs to finally bench Derrick and run with Carlino or Duane at PG.
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First conference road win of the season
First true road win in 345+ days
First win without Carlino this season
First win in a long time where Steve Taylor played a solid game
First game where we have held a solid team to that level of shooting defensively (I don't consider Carlino a great defender)
I found these and other data points.....interesting.....
So you bring up the first road win in almost an entire calendar year after insinuating that Carlino being on the bench as a reason we won this game, despite Carlino not having been on our team for half of those road losses? I find that an...interesting...argument, to say the least. And you bring up Steve Taylor's first solid performance, wouldn't that counter your argument that Carlino being on the bench is what allowed us to win? Interesting.
The only valid point you bring up to the argument that you started is the defensive side of the ball, where Carlino is definitely a weakness. But I'm guessing if you ask Herb Sendek, whose team just took down Arizona today, if Marquette is a better team without Matt Carlino on the court, he'd get as big of a laugh out of it as I did when you insinuated that the Lakers are a better team without Kobe on the court.
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So you bring up the first road win in almost an entire calendar year after insinuating that Carlino being on the bench as a reason we won this game, despite Carlino not having been on our team for half of those road losses? I find that an...interesting...argument, to say the least. And you bring up Steve Taylor's first solid performance, wouldn't that counter your argument that Carlino being on the bench is what allowed us to win? Interesting.
The only valid point you bring up to the argument that you started is the defensive side of the ball, where Carlino is definitely a weakness. But I'm guessing if you ask Herb Sendek, whose team just took down Arizona today, if Marquette is a better team without Matt Carlino on the court, he'd get as big of a laugh out of it as I did when you insinuated that the Lakers are a better team without Kobe on the court.
It seems clear to me that you ignored that I like Carlino as a player, but found today's results interesting. Nowhere did I say he should be benched, nowhere did I insinuate anything of the kind....but then again, you are the type to bring in another coach at another school that has nothing to do with this so maybe you are seeing things. I'd get that checked out.
Personally, I'd like to see Carlino play LESS...he's a good player, but he's a rental, and for this particular year I'm not sure what it adds to have him play a ton of minutes. If we were a good team, fine. We aren't, so I'd like him to play, but I don't think he needs to dominate the action like he does. I found today's results interesting. Can they be sustained? That's a bigger question...maybe you should randomly bring up what Mark Few thinks.
As for Kobe....the numbers don't lie for THIS YEAR....
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/video/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-better-off-without-him-122214?vid=376057411873
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/101783/lakers-might-be-better-without-kobe
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http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/video/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-better-off-without-him-122214?vid=376057411873
So you're arguing that the Lakers would have a worse record than 13-37 right now if Kobe were still playing? Wow. You realize that since 3 peating the Lakers have finished under .500 a total of 2 seasons, and both of those seasons came when Kobe has missed a month or more of the season, right? And this season will make it 3 seasons under .500, all with Kobe missing a significant portion of the season. Not to mention, this season they were 10-22 before Kobe started missing time with injuries. They have gone 3-15 since then. Call me crazy, but it seems like the Lakers, over the course of his career as well as this season, are better with one of the greatest players ever on the court than they are without him on the court.
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So you're arguing that the Lakers would have a worse record than 13-37 right now if Kobe were still playing? Wow. You realize that since 3 peating the Lakers have finished under .500 a total of 2 seasons, and both of those seasons came when Kobe has missed a month or more of the season, right? And this season will make it 3 seasons under .500, all with Kobe missing a significant portion of the season. Not to mention, this season they were 10-22 before Kobe started missing time with injuries. They have gone 3-15 since then. Call me crazy, but it seems like the Lakers, over the course of his career as well as this season, are better with one of the greatest players ever on the court than they are without him on the court.
Maybe you didn't read the part about THIS YEAR. You also need to factor in the competition. I've provided other examples as well. The numbers for THIS YEAR, do not lie. It's been a hot story out here in L.A. for months, and the Kobe sycophants are having to eat a lot of crow.
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It seems clear to me that you ignored that I like Carlino as a player, but found today's results interesting. Nowhere did I say he should be benched, nowhere did I insinuate anything of the kind....but then again, you are the type to bring in another coach at another school that has nothing to do with this so maybe you are seeing things. I'd get that checked out.
Personally, I'd like to see Carlino play LESS...he's a good player, but he's a rental, and for this particular year I'm not sure what it adds to have him play a ton of minutes. If we were a good team, fine. We aren't, so I'd like him to play, but I don't think he needs to dominate the action like he does. I found today's results interesting. Can they be sustained? That's a bigger question...maybe you should randomly bring up what Mark Few thinks.
As for Kobe....the numbers don't lie for THIS YEAR....
http://www.foxsports.com/buzzer/video/kobe-bryant-los-angeles-lakers-better-off-without-him-122214?vid=376057411873
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/101783/lakers-might-be-better-without-kobe
What does Mark Few have to do with anything? Carlino originally committed to play for your man crush Tom Crean. Since day one of Carlino being rumored to come to Marquette you started warning everyone who would listen that he had his issues and there are big red flags when you commit to 1 school, decommit, commit somewhere else, transfer, and now transfer again.
Again, the "numbers" that matter are wins and losses. Lakers before Kobe started missing time with injuries this year? 10-22. Lakers since Kobe began missing time with injury? 3-15. I think, although I could be wrong, that 10-22 is a much higher winning percentage than 3-15.
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Maybe you didn't read the part about THIS YEAR. You also need to factor in the competition. I've provided other examples as well. The numbers for THIS YEAR, do not lie. It's been a hot story out here in L.A. for months, and the Kobe sycophants are having to eat a lot of crow.
Do the Lakers play better without Kobe? Is Kobe a great player? Interesting questions.
Here's the thing, when you originally brought up Kobe, you never said anything about this year, so I originally responded to what you actually said. I don't have the ability to read your mind, so once you did change your argument to this year I also addressed that. And you ignored it. It's right there in my response that you quoted. And it's in the last response I put up. And I'll put it up here again.
THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe:
10-22
THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe:
3-15
THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe winning percentage:
0.3125
THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe winning percentage:
0.1667
Call me crazy, but THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe >>>>>> THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe.
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What else does Chicos find interesting? This, I'm sure:
Remember when Carlino played 34 minutes against uw-madisin and the nation's 2nd best offense this year had their worse offensive efficiency game of the year? And their shooting was a full 6 percentage points lower than their 2nd worst outing of the year?
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What does Mark Few have to do with anything? Carlino originally committed to play for your man crush Tom Crean. Since day one of Carlino being rumored to come to Marquette you started warning everyone who would listen that he had his issues and there are big red flags when you commit to 1 school, decommit, commit somewhere else, transfer, and now transfer again.
Again, the "numbers" that matter are wins and losses. Lakers before Kobe started missing time with injuries this year? 10-22. Lakers since Kobe began missing time with injury? 3-15. I think, although I could be wrong, that 10-22 is a much higher winning percentage than 3-15.
Exactly. What did Tanned Thomas have to do with anything? Now you're starting to get it. I saw Carlino at UCLA, and then again at BYU. I told you guys months ago he was a chucker, he's been at a ton of schools (high school and college). I also said he's a quality player, but not sure in a rebuilding year we need that type of player when development is needed. You're the one that is perpetuating a conspiracy that isn't there. Congratulations.
No, the numbers that matter aren't always wins and losses because it depends who you are playing. You can be playing "better" but face 5 top 10 teams and lose all of them. Yet while playing like crap go 1-4 against the bottom 5, and that means you have a better record but are you playing better...are you a better team? Yes, it actually matters who you are playing.
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What else does Chicos find interesting? This, I'm sure:
Remember when Carlino played 34 minutes against uw-madisin and the nation's 2nd best offense this year had their worse offensive efficiency game of the year? And their shooting was a full 6 percentage points lower than their 2nd worst outing of the year?
I thought as a team we played very scrappy that game. It was also a home game, against a major rival. Games against major rivals have all kinds of fun outcomes across the country. I didn't find that particularly interesting, I somewhat expected it. MU would do everything possible to gunk up the engine, and we largely succeeded.
Again, I'm not against the kid. He's a quality player, but he is what he is and I'm not sure what he adds in terms of development for this year's squad. That's been my concern. There is no doubt in my mind we would have fewer wins if he didn't play....I think that's an endorsement saying he is a quality player. Right? But the tradeoff, in my opinion, is that we rely on him so much at times that we stand around, especially at the end of games, and it becomes the Carlino show. Since he is gone after this season, I'm not sure how much growth that gives everyone else. IMO.
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Here's the thing, when you originally brought up Kobe, you never said anything about this year, so I originally responded to what you actually said. I don't have the ability to read your mind, so once you did change your argument to this year I also addressed that. And you ignored it. It's right there in my response that you quoted. And it's in the last response I put up. And I'll put it up here again.
THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe:
10-22
THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe:
3-15
THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe winning percentage:
0.3125
THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe winning percentage:
0.1667
Call me crazy, but THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe >>>>>> THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe.
I edited my post before you responded. But whatever.
I posted the articles that dispute your beliefs and gave you reasons why winning percentage isn't always as iron clad as you want to make it out to be. He was causing the Lakers to do many of the things that MU does....he was taking too many shots, poor defender...still a very solid player, but it stagnates the development of everyone else.
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I thought as a team we played very scrappy that game. It was also a home game, against a major rival. Games against major rivals have all kinds of fun outcomes across the country. I didn't find that particularly interesting, I somewhat expected it. MU would do everything possible to gunk up the engine, and we largely succeeded.
Got it. You believe we played harder because the opponent against a "major rival." Surely we wouldn't give as much effort on the road, sitting at 2-8, against a conference opponent who recently beat us at our place. Would have expected the team - down to 7 guys, just lay down a bit. Maybe not pee down the leg, but certainly not give effort like they would against a major rival in December.
I guess we just think differently.
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It's amazing there are guys here who want our best shooter to shoot less. Especially when he is not a volume shooter to begin with.
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Guess this win assures HE stays committed, aina?
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Got it. You believe we played harder because the opponent against a "major rival." Surely we wouldn't give as much effort on the road, sitting at 2-8, against a conference opponent who recently beat us at our place. Would have expected the team - down to 7 guys, just lay down a bit. Maybe not pee down the leg, but certainly not give effort like they would against a major rival in December.
I guess we just think differently.
Yes, I think naturally teams tend to get up more for their rivals, especially at home.
We do think differently apparently. I suspect most people believe teams get up for their rivals, play harder, especially at home.
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It's amazing there are guys here who want our best shooter to shoot less. Especially when he is not a volume shooter to begin with.
Carlino came in with a deserved reputation as a chucker. He has not been a chucker here.
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It's amazing there are guys here who want our the most prolific 3pt shooter in the Big East to shoot less. Especially when he is not a volume shooter to begin with.
FIFY
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Carling is our best player. Wish we had him for three more years.
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FIFY
You may want to fix it again.
Gibbs is the best 3 point shooter in the Big East at 45.2%.
Carlino does attempt the most of any player in the Big East.
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Unless we come up with a shooter or two (or three), or unless our present underclassmen grow to become more reliable 3-point shooters, we'll wish we had Carlino -- or at least a Carlino type -- next season.
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Carling is our best player. Wish we had him for three more years.
He would be eligible for social security retirement at that point.
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Unless we come up with a shooter or two (or three), or unless our present underclassmen grow to become more reliable 3-point shooters, we'll wish we had Carlino -- or at least a Carlino type -- next season.
You need balance. I would love to have a Carlino if we can do other things. If we can't do other things, then it becomes too predictable. Fischer, Ellenson and hopefully one other next year will provide enough balance to create problems around the court. That would make Carlino a great asset next year. This year, everyone knows where the offense is coming from.
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Carling is our best player. Wish we had him for three more years.
Me too to soothe the pain.
(http://vintagebooze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/carling-black-label-1957.jpg)
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You need balance. I would love to have a Carlino if we can do other things. If we can't do other things, then it becomes too predictable. Fischer, Ellenson and hopefully one other next year will provide enough balance to create problems around the court. That would make Carlino a great asset next year. This year, everyone knows where the offense is coming from.
This is very true. The end of games has become a tragic comedy, with Carlino (or sometimes Duane) frantically throwing wild 3s at the basket at the end of the shot clock. That Carlino has made a few of those with the defense paying close attention to him has been impressive, I guess. I would like to have someone with Carlino's particular talent surrounded by better players, making him a court-spacer, late-game threat, etc.
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This is very true. The end of games has become a tragic comedy, with Carlino (or sometimes Duane) frantically throwing wild 3s at the basket at the end of the shot clock. That Carlino has made a few of those with the defense paying close attention to him has been impressive, I guess. I would like to have someone with Carlino's particular talent surrounded by better players, making him a court-spacer, late-game threat, etc.
Agreed
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Here's the thing, when you originally brought up Kobe, you never said anything about this year, so I originally responded to what you actually said. I don't have the ability to read your mind, so once you did change your argument to this year I also addressed that. And you ignored it. It's right there in my response that you quoted. And it's in the last response I put up. And I'll put it up here again.
THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe:
10-22
THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe:
3-15
THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe winning percentage:
0.3125
THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe winning percentage:
0.1667
Call me crazy, but THIS YEAR Lakers with Kobe >>>>>> THIS YEAR Lakers without Kobe.
Anyone who thinks the Lakers are better this year (or any other year) without Kobe Bryant is a basketball idiot.
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You may want to fix it again.
Gibbs is the best 3 point shooter in the Big East at 45.2%.
Carlino does attempt the most of any player in the Big East.
As of Wednesday, Carlino was first in the league in made 3pt baskets per game (3.4).
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012615aab.html
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What this game WAS... a great confidence boost for the two guys that need it the most.
JJJ can get to the hole nearly whenever he wants, and he proved he can play under control, play good D, and make a significant contribution.
Taylor somehow figured out how to do exactly nothing different, except make buckets.
Add back Carlino's leadership, guts, D, and 15ppg and it could be a good finish!
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What this game WAS... a great confidence boost for the two guys that need it the most.
JJJ can get to the hole nearly whenever he wants, and he proved he can play under control, play good D, and make a significant contribution.
Taylor somehow figured out how to do exactly nothing different, except make buckets.
Add back Carlino's leadership, guts, D, and 15ppg and it could be a good finish!
+1
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Any player is better than an empty scholarship (unless there are significant off the court issues). To suggest we are better without Carlino defies all logic.
However, playing without him may have changed the psychology of some of our players. It made them think that had to step in this game. Car3no wouldn't be riding in to save them.
What's best for the team is if the players maintain that psychology AND Carlino is on the floor. That may mean giving Carlino a few less minutes.
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Me too to soothe the pain.
(http://vintagebooze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/carling-black-label-1957.jpg)
Great post Blackie. Have not had one of those for 30 years. Is it still brewed?
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Seriously, are we really debating if Carlino was worth it? Before the season began, we had NO experienced shooters returning except for the dumbf**k Todd Mayo. It was clearly a position of need. Wojo brought in a guy with experience as a one year player and as a senior who could (supposedly) provide a good role model for the younger players.
Of all the hand-wringing, he is not a chucker. He has not been a problem in the locker room.
One game isn't indicative of his value.
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I like Carlino, has brought a lot to this team. But does anyone have an idea on how he has the worst 2-pt. FG% on the team? He's at 37.2%. Next closest is Sandy at 41.4%. Is it all of those forced shots at the end of shot clocks?
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I like Carlino, has brought a lot to this team. But does anyone have an idea on how he has the worst 2-pt. FG% on the team? He's at 37.2%. Next closest is Sandy at 41.4%. Is it all of those forced shots at the end of shot clocks?
He manages to be very poor at layups. I always joke during games that I don't want him taking layups because he misses them all, but that stat might actually prove that. He's a great shooter, but not a great finisher at the rim.
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Matt Carlino is our best player this year and has proven to be a leader. I would take ten Matt Carlino's and take my chances every year. He has high basketball IQ and a helluva of a competitor. On a team that he could have tried to only showcase his skills in the hopes of playing at the next level he has been a team player first. I hope Wojo gets more guys that have talent and understand the game as well as Carlino does.
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Matt Carlino is our best player this year and has proven to be a leader. I would take ten Matt Carlino's and take my chances every year. He has high basketball IQ and a helluva of a competitor. On a team that he could have tried to only showcase his skills in the hopes of playing at the next level he has been a team player first. I hope Wojo gets more guys that have talent and understand the game as well as Carlino does.
You might be a touch bias .... ;D
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As of Wednesday, Carlino was first in the league in made 3pt baskets per game (3.4).
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012615aab.html
That's partly because of volume, he takes more 3 point attempts than anyone in the league.
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Any player is better than an empty scholarship (unless there are significant off the court issues). To suggest we are better without Carlino defies all logic.
However, playing without him may have changed the psychology of some of our players. It made them think that had to step in this game. Car3no wouldn't be riding in to save them.
What's best for the team is if the players maintain that psychology AND Carlino is on the floor. That may mean giving Carlino a few less minutes.
Do not recall anyone saying the scholarship shouldn't have been filled.
Agreed with your last statement. My concern with someone like Carlino is that the development of other guys is retarded with the volume of minutes and shots he takes. He is doing what he can to help us win games. I do not consider him selfish, he is a good ballplayer, but in watching our team when he is on the court, we defer way too much.
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Chico's
Actually a tougher critic in this case. Biased if character being attacked but completely unbiased in terms of basketball. I have watched his career on TV over the years, dating back to HS days in Indiana and had some "negative" bias in aspects of his game before this season. To me, he has proven to be a savvy veteran, tough competitor and a high desire to win. Keeping a winning attitude on a losing team is tough and I would think even tougher if losing all close games.
I am sure he knows he was/is a lightning rod to some fans and still wants the ball in his hands when the game counts most. Truthfully I cannot remember a guy in most recent memory that has had the ball more in crunch time. Most guys run from the ball and he runs to the ball. Trust me, I fully understand his game and not looking for number to be retired. That said, I believe this year would have been beyond ugly without him. Very happy that Wojo wanted him.
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When talking about Carlino we should keep in mind that because we are so offensively challenged as a team he often ends up with the ball in his hands in difficult spots at the end of the shot clock. His shooting % is very much hurt by this.
Often when a team loses its best player they come together and play better for a game or two. That and the fact that we were playing 6 against 4 whenever Whitehead was in the game got us a much needed win. But suggesting that MU is better off without Carlino, LA is better off without Kobe, etc., is dumb.
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Maybe a better way for me to state it...I would have loved Carlino on last year's team as I think it would have benefited DG tremendously. Would love to have him next year....this is an odd year where his skill set is important, but it also hampers others. IMO.
I guess if I wanted MC last year or next year, that doesn't fit with Wade's conspiracy theory, but I'm sure a new one will be cooked up.
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Chico's
Actually a tougher critic in this case. Biased if character being attacked but completely unbiased in terms of basketball. I have watched his career on TV over the years, dating back to HS days in Indiana and had some "negative" bias in aspects of his game before this season. To me, he has proven to be a savvy veteran, tough competitor and a high desire to win. Keeping a winning attitude on a losing team is tough and I would think even tougher if losing all close games.
I am sure he knows he was/is a lightning rod to some fans and still wants the ball in his hands when the game counts most. Truthfully I cannot remember a guy in most recent memory that has had the ball more in crunch time. Most guys run from the ball and he runs to the ball. Trust me, I fully understand his game and not looking for number to be retired. That said, I believe this year would have been beyond ugly without him. Very happy that Wojo wanted him.
Saw him and a lady friend a few Saturday afternoons ago at Parkside 23. Seems like a fine young man and representative of our university.
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That's partly because of volume, he takes more 3 point attempts than anyone in the league.
Which is why I said "most prolific" and not "best".
However, since his 3pt percentage is also in the top 10 in the league, for anyone to use the word "chucker" to describe him is ridiculous.
If you want to argue that he's not good for the team as a whole, I would completely disagree, but would at least concede that the jury is still out on that.
I hope he's ready to play again soon and we don't have a chance to find out.
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Do not recall anyone saying the scholarship shouldn't have been filled.
Agreed with your last statement. My concern with someone like Carlino is that the development of other guys is retarded with the volume of minutes and shots he takes. He is doing what he can to help us win games. I do not consider him selfish, he is a good ballplayer, but in watching our team when he is on the court, we defer way too much.
Carlino is NOT a high volume shooter.
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Which is why I said "most prolific" and not "best".
However, since his 3pt percentage is also in the top 10 in the league, for anyone to use the word "chucker" to describe him is ridiculous.
And it's also the best 3P% of his collegiate career by a wide, wide margin. His next made three-pointer will be a career high, and he's still 30 shy of his career high in attempts.
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And it's also the best 3P% of his collegiate career by a wide, wide margin. His next made three-pointer will be a career high, and he's still 30 shy of his career high in attempts.
So you're saying we better hope he doesn't go into an 0-29 slump from the 3 point line, aina?
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Matt Carlino is our best player this year and has proven to be a leader. I would take ten Matt Carlino's and take my chances every year. He has high basketball IQ and a helluva of a competitor. On a team that he could have tried to only showcase his skills in the hopes of playing at the next level he has been a team player first. I hope Wojo gets more guys that have talent and understand the game as well as Carlino does.
I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Carlino is a qualified College basketball player with a proven track record of performance. He has performed in accordance with what would be predicted. That said, contrary to your notion, he is only trying to showcase himself and a team of ten Carlino's would be completely dysfunctional. We are much better off without him. I think it was a huge mistake for Wojo to recruit him.
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I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Carlino is a qualified College basketball player with a proven track record of performance. He has performed in accordance with what would be predicted. That said, contrary to your notion, he is only trying to showcase himself and a team of ten Carlino's would be completely dysfunctional. We are much better off without him. I think it was a huge mistake for Wojo to recruit him.
So we could be 2-21 instead of 11-12?
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I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Carlino is a qualified College basketball player with a proven track record of performance. He has performed in accordance with what would be predicted. That said, contrary to your notion, he is only trying to showcase himself and a team of ten Carlino's would be completely dysfunctional. We are much better off without him. I think it was a huge mistake for Wojo to recruit him.
Clueless.
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I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Carlino is a qualified College basketball player with a proven track record of performance. He has performed in accordance with what would be predicted. That said, contrary to your notion, he is only trying to showcase himself and a team of ten Carlino's would be completely dysfunctional. We are much better off without him. I think it was a huge mistake for Wojo to recruit him.
You honestly just need to stop posting if you are this clueless about college basketball. Start watching the games without your anti-Wojo and Carlino bias and over the top love for JJJ and you might learn something. You will see a new coach that is doing an excellent job, but still making some rookie mistakes and fortunately appears to learn from those mistakes. You will see a player that has worked his butt off, assimilated himself very well on a new team as a 5th year senior, a player that wants to win, a player that has had to take on the burden of being the main player that other teams try to shut down, a player that is helping others like JJJ in practice and the games to become better players. You will also see a player that is very gifted athletically that is learning the game of basketball and how to become a basketball player, but it is taking a little longer than most would like to see and therefore his coach is being very patient with him and making him word harder than ever to become the player we all know he can be.
I for one am really impressed with Wojo and Carlino and can't imagine what this season would have been like without them. I am also excited to see the development of JJJ and look forward to him being a big part of the team next year.
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You honestly just need to stop posting if you are this clueless about college basketball. Start watching the games without your anti-Wojo and Carlino bias and over the top love for JJJ and you might learn something. You will see a new coach that is doing an excellent job, but still making some rookie mistakes and fortunately appears to learn from those mistakes. You will see a player that has worked his butt off, assimilated himself very well on a new team as a 5th year senior, a player that wants to win, a player that has had to take on the burden of being the main player that other teams try to shut down, a player that is helping others like JJJ in practice and the games to become better players. You will also see a player that is very gifted athletically that is learning the game of basketball and how to become a basketball player, but it is taking a little longer than most would like to see and therefore his coach is being very patient with him and making him word harder than ever to become the player we all know he can be.
I for one am really impressed with Wojo and Carlino and can't imagine what this season would have been like without them. I am also excited to see the development of JJJ and look forward to him being a big part of the team next year.
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MU1980:
You need to stop being reasonable. That's not acceptable behavior for some here on Scoop.
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MU1980:
You need to stop being reasonable. That's not acceptable behavior for some here on Scoop.
I actually think Texas Western isn't completely clueless, but for some reason he has a personal issue with Wojo and Carlino and any logic he has goes out the window when posting about the two of them.
My biggest problem with TW is that his attacks on the two of them are personal and usually have nothing to do with their coaching or playing ability. Wojo is selfish, throws people under the bus, doesn't communicate with his players, etc. Carlino is a selfish player that has disrupted team chemistry and only cares about himself.
I am most others do not see anything like TW is where Wojo and Carlino are concerned. People question Wojo's actual coaching ability in closing out games or Carlino's shot selection or defense all the time and that is okay and worth discussing, even with differing opinions. TW just wants to be an *ss and rip on two good people for whatever vendetta he has against them.
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I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Carlino is a qualified College basketball player with a proven track record of performance. He has performed in accordance with what would be predicted. That said, contrary to your notion, he is only trying to showcase himself and a team of ten Carlino's would be completely dysfunctional. We are much better off without him. I think it was a huge mistake for Wojo to recruit him.
At some point, you just sound so far out there that I have to assume that you are actually being satirical and forgetting to use teal.
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At some point, you just sound so far out there that I have to assume that you are actually being satirical and forgetting to use teal.
Either Benny is trolling everyone again, or Ners has his own Hoopaloop.
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Either Benny is trolling everyone again, or Ners has his own Hoopaloop.
Texas Western is somehow connected to JJJ.
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I respectfully disagree with your analysis. Carlino is a qualified College basketball player with a proven track record of performance. He has performed in accordance with what would be predicted. That said, contrary to your notion, he is only trying to showcase himself and a team of ten Carlino's would be completely dysfunctional. We are much better off without him. I think it was a huge mistake for Wojo to recruit him.
Why won't you answer the question about your relationship, if any, to JJJ?
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Why won't you answer the question about your relationship, if any, to JJJ?
Maybe he is JjJ
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Maybe he is JjJ
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I actually think Texas Western isn't completely clueless, but for some reason he has a personal issue with Wojo and Carlino and any logic he has goes out the window when posting about the two of them.
My biggest problem with TW is that his attacks on the two of them are personal and usually have nothing to do with their coaching or playing ability.
+1
And you could add Derrick to TW's hit list.
The suspicion of a tie between TW and JJJ stems largely from the fact that TW rips anyone who he thinks might be limiting JJJ's playing time.
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Maybe he is JjJ
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I have thought that there is a chance he is JJJ, but then I realized how insulting that would be to JJJ as I am sure he has more maturity than TW.
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Anyone heard any updates on Carlino's status for Xavier tomorrow night?
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Anyone heard any updates on Carlino's status for Xavier tomorrow night?
Velasquez tweeted that he is "questionable."
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I have thought that there is a chance he is JJJ, but then I realized how insulting that would be to JJJ as I am sure he has more maturity than TW.
1) There has never been a chance that TW is JJJ. JJJ isn't that classless, or clueless about basketball.
2) Even if there was a remote possibility of TW being JJJ, I haven't noticed JJJ on his phone on the bench, so I don't think he could be posting on MUScoop while an MU game is going on.
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Velasquez tweeted that he is "questionable."
It would be medically irresponsible to bring back a kid that soon after a concussion. His life is more important than a few three pointers. Give him another week and then he will be back chucking away.
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It would be medically irresponsible to bring back a kid that soon after a concussion. His life is more important than a few three pointers. Give him another week and then he will be back chucking away.
I really hope nobody actually connected to the program is as classless as you are. Sad if it's true.
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Chico's
Actually a tougher critic in this case. Biased if character being attacked but completely unbiased in terms of basketball. I have watched his career on TV over the years, dating back to HS days in Indiana and had some "negative" bias in aspects of his game before this season. To me, he has proven to be a savvy veteran, tough competitor and a high desire to win. Keeping a winning attitude on a losing team is tough and I would think even tougher if losing all close games.
I am sure he knows he was/is a lightning rod to some fans and still wants the ball in his hands when the game counts most. Truthfully I cannot remember a guy in most recent memory that has had the ball more in crunch time. Most guys run from the ball and he runs to the ball. Trust me, I fully understand his game and not looking for number to be retired. That said, I believe this year would have been beyond ugly without him. Very happy that Wojo wanted him.
Goose, I was teasing. Appreciate the follow-up. As stated, I think he's a quality player, just wish we had him last year or next year....but that's not how life works.
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Which is why I said "most prolific" and not "best".
However, since his 3pt percentage is also in the top 10 in the league, for anyone to use the word "chucker" to describe him is ridiculous.
If you want to argue that he's not good for the team as a whole, I would completely disagree, but would at least concede that the jury is still out on that.
I hope he's ready to play again soon and we don't have a chance to find out.
I guess we all have our definitions for things. In my view, too many settled for shots that end up being 3 point attempts or rushed 3 pointers early in the clock....not so much now, but earlier in the season. That's my opinion.
I do think the guys stand around and watch too much, especially at the end of the shot clock or the end of the game. I suspect since he is the most veteran person on the team players are deferring to him as a default. Would not be surprising. I hope he's ready to play again soon, also. If the guys can mix in their own confidence and not defer as much, plus allow MC to perform, that would be a nice outcome.
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I guess we all have our definitions for things. In my view, too many settled for shots that end up being 3 point attempts or rushed 3 pointers early in the clock....not so much now, but earlier in the season. That's my opinion.
I do think the guys stand around and watch too much, especially at the end of the shot clock or the end of the game. I suspect since he is the most veteran person on the team players are deferring to him as a default. Would not be surprising. I hope he's ready to play again soon, also. If the guys can mix in their own confidence and not defer as much, plus allow MC to perform, that would be a nice outcome.
+1
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Matt Carlino is our best player this year and has proven to be a leader. I would take ten Matt Carlino's and take my chances every year. He has high basketball IQ and a helluva of a competitor. On a team that he could have tried to only showcase his skills in the hopes of playing at the next level he has been a team player first. I hope Wojo gets more guys that have talent and understand the game as well as Carlino does.
This.
Carlino is showing the younger guys leadership and confidence on offense.
Derrick is doing the same on defense.
Both of these guys are setting great examples in their own way.
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+1
And you could add Derrick to TW's hit list.
The suspicion of a tie between TW and JJJ stems largely from the fact that TW rips anyone who he thinks might be limiting JJJ's playing time.
Derrick is simply not a qualified point guard. I believe he has a viable role as an undersized athletic 3 with a defensive orientation. He should not be in the game during the last 5 minutes. He is deserving a role on the team just not the role he is playing. The objective is for MU to win games and put the most effective combinations on the floor at all times.
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Derrick is simply not a qualified point guard. I believe he has a viable role as an undersized athletic 3 with a defensive orientation. He should not be in the game during the last 5 minutes. He is deserving a role on the team just not the role he is playing. The objective is for MU to win games and put the most effective combinations on the floor at all times.
"Simply not a qualified point guard." D1 coaches seem to disagree with your opinion.
Derrick is currently #23 in all of D1 (and leading the BE) in A/T ratio. We would be losing possessions with anyone else at PG. Hard to score if you don't have the ball.
But thanks for your opinion, Mr. Johnson.
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Anybody who says that Derrick should play the 3 (or 4) shows a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball.
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Anybody who says that Derrick should play the 3 (or 4) shows a complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball.
I think Texas Western has shown us many times his complete lack of understanding of the game of basketball so I would actually be more shocked if he had some knowledgeable input. Nice to see him staying consistent. At least in this case he is just criticizing Derek's point guard abilities, as opposed to attacking his character, as he seems to enjoy doing in regards to Wojo and Carlino.