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Author Topic: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims  (Read 2852 times)

Benny B

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MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« on: July 17, 2018, 09:51:04 AM »
This is not a discussion about gun control or 2nd amendment.  I'm sure the morons will turn it into one, and at the risk of my moron bucket runneth over, I'm going to go ahead and set a record for getting in before the lock....

I don't see how anyone could hold MGM/Mandalay Bay accountable for the LV shootings last year given the evidence we've seen so far.  Unless there's some video along the lines of a valet saying "here, let me carry your AR-15 for you" that I haven't seen, I've found nothing that indicates MGM could have known - or should have known - that an arsenal was being amassed in one of their hotel rooms.  I worked in several hotels during high school and college, and someone who keeps a DND sign on the door and requests no housekeeping over a week's stay is not uncommon.  And even if the technology exists, no hotel would ever install anything to track how many bags a person is taking to/from their room lest they wish to be out of business for invasion of privacy.  To say that MGM is liable isn't far removed from saying that the owner of the World Trade Center bears some responsibility for 9/11.  It's an imperfect analogy, but I would think most jurors would agree - again, barring some video or testimony where an employee had some level of suspicion that would rise to a level similar to something of a "probable cause" standard - that it's not MGM's responsibility to police its guests, examine their luggage, monitor their quarters, etc.  Otherwise, is the expectation to have to put a TSA installation at every high-rise building in the country?  Hotel guests have a high expectation of privacy in this country [case in point: how many of you have smoked pot or drank beer (underage) in a hotel room on on multiple occasions without fear of being caught?], and I just don't see that changing.

That being said, at best this is a horrible, horrible PR move by MGM (and I say that with the reminder of being without influence of any opinion I or anyone else has on gun control/2nd Amendment).  MGM is most certainly judge-shopping, and even if it's a sound legal strategy to bring to closure sooner, is it really worth the millions of dollars MGM (read: MGM's insurance company) might save?

Regardless of whether any of these would/could/should bear responsibility, IMO the victims' case against the gun/ammo/modifications mfgs and resellers, and perhaps even the girlfriend, will probably have at least enough merit to go to trial, but the case against MGM shouldn't make it out of discovery.  You never want to send a case to a jury, but frankly, if MGM has a good litigation team*, they should take their chances and simply appeal if you lose the first go-around.

* Which I would have thought should, but given this move, I'm not so sure.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 06:28:47 PM »
Please share a link of the article or original source of your information...although your extended opinions are appreciated
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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 06:53:15 PM »
I had wondered the same thing when I heard about their legal strategy.  I was a little surprised that they didn't wait to be sued and then invoke an appropriate defense.  I think I read that there was legislation following 9/11 protecting institutions like the owners of Mandy Bay (MGM) and the WTC, absent clear liability via some legitimate negligence argument.  My read is that Mandy sought to get this into the Federal Courts.  Perhaps this is an insurance carrier decision not in consultation with Mandy directly.

Not to open another rabbit hole but I hope today's sensationalistic media covers the story accurately.  No one is attempting to recover money from the victims.  Mandy simply wants a protective ruling.  Quarrel with the chosen legal strategy and the public relations impact?  Sure.   

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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2018, 09:33:19 AM »
Please share a link of the article or original source of your information...although your extended opinions are appreciated

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-resorts-sues-victims.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-lawsuit-victims-las-vegas-shooting-trnd/index.html
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44859238
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/mgm-s-suit-not-attack-victims-las-vegas-shooting-n892291
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mgm-lawsuit-vegas-shooting-20180717-story.html
http://fortune.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-sues-victims-survivors-claiming-no-liability/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-files-suit-against-more-than-1000-route-91-victims.html
http://time.com/5341334/mgm-sues-victims-las-vegas-shooting/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-resorts-sues-victims-limit-liability-stephen-paddock-nevada-a8451746.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/mgm-sues-mass-shooting-victims-in-hopes-of-getting-cases-tossed
https://splinternews.com/mgm-resorts-is-suing-las-vegas-shooting-victims-yes-1827653661
http://www.dailyherald.com/business/20180717/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-in-hopes-of-limiting-liability
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https://www.upi.com/MGM-Resorts-sues-victims-of-Las-Vegas-mass-shooting/9021531862112/
https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2018/07/mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_v.html
https://www.hotelmanagement.net/legal/mgm-sues-mandalay-bay-shooting-victims
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/mandalay-bay-hotel-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/10006614
https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-news/mgm-sues-victims-of-2017-las-vegas-mass-shooting/1308399506
https://www.wcpo.com/newsy/mandalay-bay-owner-sues-victims-of-2017-vegas-mass-shooting
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/4473644-mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-hopes-limiting-liability
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xbgx4/mgm-resorts-is-suing-victims-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-to-avoid-liability-vgtrn
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https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2155721/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-not
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https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/united-states-mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-triggers-protest-1885164
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http://www.ocregister.com/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://skift.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-being-sued-by-them/
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
http://www.newser.com/story/262074/no-liability-mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/07/17/breaking-news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k11760748-MGM_Resorts_International_sues_victims-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html
https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/507-574723887
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5962191/Mandalay-Bay-hotel-owner-MGM-sues-Las-Vegas-massacre-victims.html
http://tasteofcountry.com/mgm-resorts-lawsuit-las-vegas-shooting-victims-liability/
https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/mgm-resorts-las-vegas-mass-shooting-liability/2018/07/17/id/872068/
https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/1309055618
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/news-story/4e00b6f3987c2c1404509be87b1b4613
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https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-hundreds-of-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-to-avoid-liability-7729294/
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Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

MU82

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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2018, 09:34:38 AM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-resorts-sues-victims.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-lawsuit-victims-las-vegas-shooting-trnd/index.html
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44859238
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/mgm-s-suit-not-attack-victims-las-vegas-shooting-n892291
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mgm-lawsuit-vegas-shooting-20180717-story.html
http://fortune.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-sues-victims-survivors-claiming-no-liability/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-files-suit-against-more-than-1000-route-91-victims.html
http://time.com/5341334/mgm-sues-victims-las-vegas-shooting/
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https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2155721/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-not
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https://skift.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-being-sued-by-them/
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
http://www.newser.com/story/262074/no-liability-mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims.html
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/news-story/4e00b6f3987c2c1404509be87b1b4613
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https://www.wavy.com/top-stories/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/1307850180
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/mgm-resorts-international-sues-victims-las-vegas-mass-shooting-in-bid-avoid-liability
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability/
https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/mgm-resorts-sues-shooting-victims/
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https://whdh.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-hundreds-of-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-to-avoid-liability-7729294/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-not-liable/
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/2018/07/17/fb767694-8a1d-11e8-9d59-dccc2c0cabcf_story.html
http://www.wandtv.com/story/38669506/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability
https://www.wric.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/1308591635
https://5newsonline.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
https://thinkprogress.org/mgm-sues-shooting-victims-3aed59344ff9/
https://fox40.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.wishtv.com/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable/1308247282
http://home.cableone.net/news/read/category/AP%20Top%20News%20-%20US%20Headlines/article/the_associated_press-mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_victims_argues_it_isn-ap
https://www.abc27.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-1/1308007098
http://www.wsmv.com/story/38664880/mgm-resorts-sues-more-than-1000-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-liability
http://newsok.com/article/feed/4043267/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://katu.com/news/nation-world/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-07-17-2018-205838464
https://www.nationalreview.com/videos/mgm-resorts-sues-1000-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting/
https://klewtv.com/news/nation-world/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-07-17-2018-205838464
https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/MGM-sues-Vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-13082351.php
https://www.onecountry.com/pop-culture/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-harvest-festival/
http://www.wbal.com/article/325405/128/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article215035450.html
http://mysecv.com/news/read/category/us/article/the_associated_press-mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_victims_argues_it_isn-ap
http://mynews4.com/news/local/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/507-574723887
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20180717_ap_c3bec63b242d4d2f98bfea979c68e0e1.html
https://www.ajc.com/business/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-isn-liable/dHXOS0ANmXRiyoBGv7BbML/

OK, fine, but I can't believe you refuse to share any links.
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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2018, 09:42:22 AM »
Perhaps this is an insurance carrier decision not in consultation with Mandy directly.

Mandy simply wants a protective ruling.  Quarrel with the chosen legal strategy and the public relations impact?  Sure.

These were my thoughts on this issue.  It's not that they're suing, but seeking a protective ruling to prevent those suits from moving forward.  Bad optics, but necessary and ultimately saving the victims and MGM legal expenses, for something that will go no where. 
(not a lawyer, nor fully versed in the intricacies of this instance)
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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2018, 09:56:01 AM »
I had wondered the same thing when I heard about their legal strategy.  I was a little surprised that they didn't wait to be sued and then invoke an appropriate defense.  I think I read that there was legislation following 9/11 protecting institutions like the owners of Mandy Bay (MGM) and the WTC, absent clear liability via some legitimate negligence argument.  My read is that Mandy sought to get this into the Federal Courts.  Perhaps this is an insurance carrier decision not in consultation with Mandy directly.

Not to open another rabbit hole but I hope today's sensationalistic media covers the story accurately.  No one is attempting to recover money from the victims.  Mandy simply wants a protective ruling.  Quarrel with the chosen legal strategy and the public relations impact?  Sure.   

It's all but clear that the insurer is pulling the strings on this one.  MGM might want to start looking for another carrier soon.

That said, the media is riding both ends of the horse on this one.  NY Times had a very fair article yesterday (first link above).  But USA Today (3rd link) led off with "A Stunt" in their headline and devoted 85% of their article to the outrage.

Listen, I understand why MGM is doing what they're doing, and I actually agree with their ultimate position that they are not liable.  But the approach... good Lord.

OK, fine, but I can't believe you refuse to share any links.

Just for you, I'd be happy to PM you a link to the box score for last night's All Star Game.  Or to this story about some Thai kids getting stuck in a cave (spoiler alert: they all got rescued).

But you'll have to promise not to share them with anyone.
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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2018, 01:31:35 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-resorts-sues-victims.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-lawsuit-victims-las-vegas-shooting-trnd/index.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/791511002/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44859238
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/mgm-s-suit-not-attack-victims-las-vegas-shooting-n892291
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mgm-lawsuit-vegas-shooting-20180717-story.html
http://fortune.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-sues-victims-survivors-claiming-no-liability/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-files-suit-against-more-than-1000-route-91-victims.html
http://time.com/5341334/mgm-sues-victims-las-vegas-shooting/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-resorts-sues-victims-limit-liability-stephen-paddock-nevada-a8451746.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/mgm-sues-mass-shooting-victims-in-hopes-of-getting-cases-tossed
https://splinternews.com/mgm-resorts-is-suing-las-vegas-shooting-victims-yes-1827653661
http://www.dailyherald.com/business/20180717/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-in-hopes-of-limiting-liability
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/2018/07/mgm_sues_vegas_shooting_victims
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-mgm-resorts-las-vegas-shooting-20180716-story.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/mgm-sues-victims-of-vegas-shooting-says-casino-is-not-liable-for-claims-14653591
https://www.upi.com/MGM-Resorts-sues-victims-of-Las-Vegas-mass-shooting/9021531862112/
https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2018/07/mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_v.html
https://www.hotelmanagement.net/legal/mgm-sues-mandalay-bay-shooting-victims
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/mandalay-bay-hotel-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/10006614
https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-news/mgm-sues-victims-of-2017-las-vegas-mass-shooting/1308399506
https://www.wcpo.com/newsy/mandalay-bay-owner-sues-victims-of-2017-vegas-mass-shooting
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/4473644-mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-hopes-limiting-liability
http://www.businessinsider.com/mandalay-bays-owner-mgm-has-sued-las-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-2018-7
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xbgx4/mgm-resorts-is-suing-victims-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-to-avoid-liability-vgtrn
https://www.newsweek.com/mgm-sues-over-1000-las-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability-massacre-1027695
https://www.newsweek.com/mgm-sues-over-1000-las-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability-massacre-1027695
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2155721/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-not
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html?akmobile=o
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/united-states-mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-triggers-protest-1885164
https://www.kansas.com/news/business/article215035450.html
http://www.ktvu.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable
http://www.ocregister.com/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://skift.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-being-sued-by-them/
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
http://www.newser.com/story/262074/no-liability-mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/07/17/breaking-news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k11760748-MGM_Resorts_International_sues_victims-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html
https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/507-574723887
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5962191/Mandalay-Bay-hotel-owner-MGM-sues-Las-Vegas-massacre-victims.html
http://tasteofcountry.com/mgm-resorts-lawsuit-las-vegas-shooting-victims-liability/
https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/mgm-resorts-las-vegas-mass-shooting-liability/2018/07/17/id/872068/
https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/1309055618
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/17/great-moments-public-relations-mgm-casino-sues-1000-victims-las-vegas-massacre/
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/news-story/4e00b6f3987c2c1404509be87b1b4613
https://wgntv.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://wtop.com/national/2018/07/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.wavy.com/top-stories/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/1307850180
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/mgm-resorts-international-sues-victims-las-vegas-mass-shooting-in-bid-avoid-liability
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability/
https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/mgm-resorts-sues-shooting-victims/
https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/17/mgm-las-vegas-shooting-liability/
https://whdh.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-hundreds-of-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-to-avoid-liability-7729294/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-not-liable/
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/2018/07/17/fb767694-8a1d-11e8-9d59-dccc2c0cabcf_story.html
http://www.wandtv.com/story/38669506/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability
https://www.wric.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/1308591635
https://5newsonline.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
https://thinkprogress.org/mgm-sues-shooting-victims-3aed59344ff9/
https://fox40.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.wishtv.com/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable/1308247282
http://home.cableone.net/news/read/category/AP%20Top%20News%20-%20US%20Headlines/article/the_associated_press-mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_victims_argues_it_isn-ap
https://www.abc27.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-1/1308007098
http://www.wsmv.com/story/38664880/mgm-resorts-sues-more-than-1000-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-liability
http://newsok.com/article/feed/4043267/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://katu.com/news/nation-world/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-07-17-2018-205838464
https://www.nationalreview.com/videos/mgm-resorts-sues-1000-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting/
https://klewtv.com/news/nation-world/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-07-17-2018-205838464
https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/MGM-sues-Vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-13082351.php
https://www.onecountry.com/pop-culture/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-harvest-festival/
http://www.wbal.com/article/325405/128/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article215035450.html
http://mysecv.com/news/read/category/us/article/the_associated_press-mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_victims_argues_it_isn-ap
http://mynews4.com/news/local/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/507-574723887
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20180717_ap_c3bec63b242d4d2f98bfea979c68e0e1.html
https://www.ajc.com/business/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-isn-liable/dHXOS0ANmXRiyoBGv7BbML/

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Re: MGM Resorts (Mandalay Bay) Sues Victims
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 01:37:48 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-resorts-sues-victims.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-lawsuit-victims-las-vegas-shooting-trnd/index.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/791511002/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44859238
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/mgm-s-suit-not-attack-victims-las-vegas-shooting-n892291
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mgm-lawsuit-vegas-shooting-20180717-story.html
http://fortune.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-sues-victims-survivors-claiming-no-liability/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mgm-resorts-files-suit-against-more-than-1000-route-91-victims.html
http://time.com/5341334/mgm-sues-victims-las-vegas-shooting/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-shooting-mgm-resorts-sues-victims-limit-liability-stephen-paddock-nevada-a8451746.html
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-17/mgm-sues-mass-shooting-victims-in-hopes-of-getting-cases-tossed
https://splinternews.com/mgm-resorts-is-suing-las-vegas-shooting-victims-yes-1827653661
http://www.dailyherald.com/business/20180717/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-in-hopes-of-limiting-liability
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/2018/07/mgm_sues_vegas_shooting_victims
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-mgm-resorts-las-vegas-shooting-20180716-story.html
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/mgm-sues-victims-of-vegas-shooting-says-casino-is-not-liable-for-claims-14653591
https://www.upi.com/MGM-Resorts-sues-victims-of-Las-Vegas-mass-shooting/9021531862112/
https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2018/07/mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_v.html
https://www.hotelmanagement.net/legal/mgm-sues-mandalay-bay-shooting-victims
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https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-news/mgm-sues-victims-of-2017-las-vegas-mass-shooting/1308399506
https://www.wcpo.com/newsy/mandalay-bay-owner-sues-victims-of-2017-vegas-mass-shooting
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/4473644-mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-hopes-limiting-liability
http://www.businessinsider.com/mandalay-bays-owner-mgm-has-sued-las-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-2018-7
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xbgx4/mgm-resorts-is-suing-victims-of-the-las-vegas-shooting-to-avoid-liability-vgtrn
https://www.newsweek.com/mgm-sues-over-1000-las-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability-massacre-1027695
https://www.newsweek.com/mgm-sues-over-1000-las-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability-massacre-1027695
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2155721/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-not
https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html?akmobile=o
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/united-states-mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-triggers-protest-1885164
https://www.kansas.com/news/business/article215035450.html
http://www.ktvu.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable
http://www.ocregister.com/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://skift.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-las-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-being-sued-by-them/
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
http://www.newser.com/story/262074/no-liability-mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims.html
http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/ct-biz-mgm-resorts-sues-las-vegas-massacre-victims-20180717-story.html
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/07/17/breaking-news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g45963-i10-k11760748-MGM_Resorts_International_sues_victims-Las_Vegas_Nevada.html
https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/507-574723887
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5962191/Mandalay-Bay-hotel-owner-MGM-sues-Las-Vegas-massacre-victims.html
http://tasteofcountry.com/mgm-resorts-lawsuit-las-vegas-shooting-victims-liability/
https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/mgm-resorts-las-vegas-mass-shooting-liability/2018/07/17/id/872068/
https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/1309055618
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/07/17/great-moments-public-relations-mgm-casino-sues-1000-victims-las-vegas-massacre/
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/mgm-sues-las-vegas-shooting-victims/news-story/4e00b6f3987c2c1404509be87b1b4613
https://wgntv.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://wtop.com/national/2018/07/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.wavy.com/top-stories/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/1307850180
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/mgm-resorts-international-sues-victims-las-vegas-mass-shooting-in-bid-avoid-liability
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-avoid-liability/
https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/mgm-resorts-sues-shooting-victims/
https://thedailyrecord.com/2018/07/17/mgm-las-vegas-shooting-liability/
https://whdh.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/18/mgm-sues-hundreds-of-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-to-avoid-liability-7729294/
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-not-liable/
https://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/2018/07/17/fb767694-8a1d-11e8-9d59-dccc2c0cabcf_story.html
http://www.wandtv.com/story/38669506/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability
https://www.wric.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/1308591635
https://5newsonline.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-shooting-victims-in-push-to-avoid-liability/
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/MGM-Sues-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-Victims-488420171.html
https://thinkprogress.org/mgm-sues-shooting-victims-3aed59344ff9/
https://fox40.com/2018/07/17/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable/
https://www.wishtv.com/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isn-t-liable/1308247282
http://home.cableone.net/news/read/category/AP%20Top%20News%20-%20US%20Headlines/article/the_associated_press-mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_victims_argues_it_isn-ap
https://www.abc27.com/news/national/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-1/1308007098
http://www.wsmv.com/story/38664880/mgm-resorts-sues-more-than-1000-mass-shooting-victims-to-avoid-liability
http://newsok.com/article/feed/4043267/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://katu.com/news/nation-world/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-07-17-2018-205838464
https://www.nationalreview.com/videos/mgm-resorts-sues-1000-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting/
https://klewtv.com/news/nation-world/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable-07-17-2018-205838464
https://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/MGM-sues-Vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-13082351.php
https://www.onecountry.com/pop-culture/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-harvest-festival/
http://www.wbal.com/article/325405/128/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article215035450.html
http://mysecv.com/news/read/category/us/article/the_associated_press-mgm_sues_vegas_mass_shooting_victims_argues_it_isn-ap
http://mynews4.com/news/local/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-it-isnt-liable
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/507-574723887
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20180717_ap_c3bec63b242d4d2f98bfea979c68e0e1.html
https://www.ajc.com/business/mgm-sues-vegas-mass-shooting-victims-argues-isn-liable/dHXOS0ANmXRiyoBGv7BbML/
Sorry for the insult you took to my merely asking for an article link.
Which of these did you find most helpful? lol
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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 01:47:01 PM »
It's all but clear that the insurer is pulling the strings on this one.  MGM might want to start looking for another carrier soon.
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Listen, I understand why MGM is doing what they're doing, and I actually agree with their ultimate position that they are not liable.  But the approach... good Lord.

I agree with all of this.  If you ignore the bad pub, the cost/benefit analysis of a legal move like this makes sense. But when you're in the hospitality business, ignoring bad pub is hilariously stupid.

I'm curious how competitive the insurance world is for entities like MGM. Gotta think that MGM resorts is a stock-price impacting account for whoever their carrier is - does something about that business or those lines of insurance make it impossible for MGM to switch carriers?  I wonder if MGM's carriers underwrites policies for other similar institutions - a penny wise, pound foolish move like this could really hit where it hurts if MGM were to switch carriers to save face and other similar clients followed.

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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 02:16:44 PM »
Sorry for the insult you took to my merely asking for an article link.
Which of these did you find most helpful? lol

The article from the local Grand Forks rag was really well done, but they're merely the small town newsource equivalent of an MU beat writer... a stepping stone for the good ones, a gravestone for the bad.

As mentioned, the NY Times article was relatively fair.  In the interest of full disclosure, I did not read them all, but incidentally, most of the ones I did read at least made some mention the 2002 law that came out of the 9/11 attacks.  Not being a lawyer (but being surrounded by them both at home and on the job), I think the NYT did the best job explaining the application of the 2002 act in layman's terms and why the case should be removed to, or at least decided in, federal court.

Incidentally, the Think Progress article was the only one I read that actually highlighted the connection between the fairgrounds and the hotel (both owned by MGM), which I never realized until I read it.  Of course, this adds some complexity to the case, but at the end of the day, it's probably irrelevant seeing as how the hotel property itself was not essential to the festival.

Being a lawyer yourself, NYT is where to start (and could probably finish), which is why I linked it first.  The rest were just in case you were behind the China firewall or whatever content filtering software your boss had to slap on your computer.  ;D
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Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 03:33:07 PM »
The article from the local Grand Forks rag was really well done, but they're merely the small town newsource equivalent of an MU beat writer... a stepping stone for the good ones, a gravestone for the bad.

As mentioned, the NY Times article was relatively fair.  In the interest of full disclosure, I did not read them all, but incidentally, most of the ones I did read at least made some mention the 2002 law that came out of the 9/11 attacks.  Not being a lawyer (but being surrounded by them both at home and on the job), I think the NYT did the best job explaining the application of the 2002 act in layman's terms and why the case should be removed to, or at least decided in, federal court.

Incidentally, the Think Progress article was the only one I read that actually highlighted the connection between the fairgrounds and the hotel (both owned by MGM), which I never realized until I read it.  Of course, this adds some complexity to the case, but at the end of the day, it's probably irrelevant seeing as how the hotel property itself was not essential to the festival.

Being a lawyer yourself, NYT is where to start (and could probably finish), which is why I linked it first.  The rest were just in case you were behind the China firewall or whatever content filtering software your boss had to slap on your computer.  ;D
Thanks

This is a new and novel tactic. Needless to say there is a paucity of appellate law on premises/security liability in connection with terrorist acts. Nevertheless, every property owner I represent shudders over the possibility of a shooting and their potential liability. The shooters lack $ resources, and we live in a country where folks seek to hold others liable and recover money when bad acts occur. Governmental immunity protects schools/public buildings, but private property owners are very troubled by this risk...it seems with good reason.

Insurance liability decl. actions are almost always in federal court, this one will stay there and possibly issue some precedence.  Undetermined issues here include  :
1) are mass gun shootings acts of terrorism (ie triggering this statute) when done by a simple usa citizen?

2) The 9/11 law was put in place to encourage companies to innovate devices and systems to improve security without being at risk of a wipe out  lawsuit/ or bankr in the case of an attack at an installation property....its liability protection is to the vendor/installer, only, by a strict statute read.....so 

3) this is first I have heard a property owner trying to bootstrap one or more of its vendor's protections to bar liability of the customer/property owner.

The insurer has a duty to defend....but if it vigorously does so it does not bear a liability for collateral PR fallout. Here... I would think the shooting and murders were the really bad PR hit...how the owner later defends lawsuits is a lesser PR concern on this scale. I doubt an insurance defense atty who had the chance to cutoff liability would demur because it might look bad...at their level they are doing the job they must.

Regardless of unsolvable gun control issues, or ...here... the result of this novel statute extension theory....we need to settle the broader liability law here ....risk managers and insurers are vexed....

when a mass shooting occurs on privately owned property....should the shooting victims have the right to sue and recover $$ from the property owner, where it occurs?

This case is worth watching
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 03:36:13 PM »
Thanks

This is a new and novel tactic. Needless to say there is a paucity of appellate law on premises/security liability in connection with terrorist acts. Nevertheless, every property owner I represent shudders over the possibility of a shooting and their potential liability. The shooters lack $ resources, and we live in a country where folks seek to hold others liable and recover money when bad acts occur. Governmental immunity protects schools/public buildings, but private property owners are very troubled by this risk...it seems with good reason.

Insurance liability decl. actions are almost always in federal court, this one will stay there and possibly issue some precedence.  Undetermined issues here include  :
1) are mass gun shootings acts of terrorism (ie triggering this statute) when done by a simple usa citizen?

2) The 9/11 law was put in place to encourage companies to innovate devices and systems to improve security without being at risk of a wipe out  lawsuit/ or bankr in the case of an attack at an installation property....its liability protection is to the vendor/installer, only, by a strict statute read.....so 

3) this is first I have heard a property owner trying to bootstrap one or more of its vendor's protections to bar liability of the customer/property owner.

The insurer has a duty to defend....but if it vigorously does so it does not bear a liability for collateral PR fallout. Here... I would think the shooting and murders were the really bad PR hit...how the owner later defends lawsuits is a lesser PR concern on this scale. I doubt an insurance defense atty who had the chance to cutoff liability would demur because it might look bad...at their level they are doing the job they must.

Regardless of unsolvable gun control issues, or ...here... the result of this novel statute extension theory....we need to settle the broader liability law here ....risk managers and insurers are vexed....

when a mass shooting occurs on privately owned property....should the shooting victims have the right to sue and recover $$ from the property owner, where it occurs?

This case is worth watching

I don't know what's worse... that I agree with all of your points or that I have enough experience with risk management to understand every single one of them.
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 04:06:08 PM »

Just for you, I'd be happy to PM you a link to the box score for last night's All Star Game.  Or to this story about some Thai kids getting stuck in a cave (spoiler alert: they all got rescued).

But you'll have to promise not to share them with anyone.

The ASG link would be helpful because, believe it or not, I have no idea what happened in the game. Didn't watch it and have somehow managed to not read a single word online about it today. I wasn't trying to avoid reading about it. It just didn't pop up in any of the stuff I read.

Pretty funny given that I covered about a dozen of 'em and, once upon a time during my fan years, I cared deeply about the ASG.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 04:09:26 PM »
Any chance MGM is self-insured?

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 06:43:49 PM »
i remember right after the incident, before the smoke had cleared, the casino/hotels conversed about an airport style check-in, each time a visitor or customer would come and go.  the wynn thought they would try to get ahead of the curve and the word was that they immediately put some form of that into affect.  i personally don't know if it did, how far it went or how long it lasted, but without looking, i'm going to guess that was a big knee jerk reaction and calmer minds prevailed. 

i stayed at the aria in may and i did not see any changes in the check-in routine.  as a matter of fact, i checked in at a machine, it spit out 2 keys, gave me my room number and my luggage wasn't sifted thru nor sniffed by dogs or anything.  we had a seminar/ce at the rio-we came and went as we pleased
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 07:25:26 PM »
Any chance MGM is self-insured?

I would assume for the small stuff, but I think every company, regardless of size, would have some sort of catastrophic liability insurance.  We are talking potentially judgments in the high-nine figures.
Have some patience, FFS.

 

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