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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MuggsyB on March 24, 2021, 07:12:15 PM
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This is kind of an enormous (no pun intended) story which begs the question why both the CNN and Fox websites have it nowhere near the top line? Apparently 8 tug boats were no bueno. :(
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Absolutely a huge story. As per usual though, our national news hasn't picked up on it because it hasn't affected Americans yet.
I think that a lot of people don't realize how fragile the supply chain is. This blockage will have ripple effects on prices and availability of items worldwide. With this blockage, trade from most of Asia to Europe is blocked UFN.
Having said all of that, when I googled the blockage the first three stories were NYT, CNET, and CNN. I imagine that if you checked BBC or Al-Jazeera you'd find the most up to date information.
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Absolutely a huge story. As per usual though, our national news hasn't picked up on it because it hasn't affected Americans yet.
I think that a lot of people don't realize how fragile the supply chain is. This blockage will have ripple effects on prices and availability of items worldwide. With this blockage, trade from most of Asia to Europe is blocked UFN.
Having said all of that, when I googled the blockage the first three stories were NYT, CNET, and CNN. I imagine that if you checked BBC or Al-Jazeera you'd find the most up to date information.
It was on the CBS news last night.
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Agree .. I've seen multiple stories about this.
Also .. if there were 10x more stories, would people do anything differently?
Wait .. should I be hoarding toilet paper again?
brb.
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Agree .. I've seen multiple stories about this.
Also .. if there were 10x more stories, would people do anything differently?
Wait .. should I be hoarding toilet paper again?
brb.
Was this Wojo's landing spot? Skippering another great ship into the ground?
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It was on the CBS news last night.
So over two days after the incident.
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What are they transporting...Wojo's buyout?
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So over two days after the incident.
Took you less than an hour to shift that goalpost. Impressive!
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Took you less than an hour to shift that goalpost. Impressive!
In what way? I said that the stories existed when I googled it?
My point is that it wasn't an important story when it happened which is why it was only making the US national news broadcasts two days later.
I shifted exactly zero goal posts.
Why are you always looking for a debate?
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In what way?
You: "As per usual though, our national news hasn't picked up on it because it hasn't affected Americans yet."
Me: "It was on the CBS news last night."
Topper: "Agree .. I've seen multiple stories about this."
You: "So over two days after the incident." (BTW, this is also wrong. The incident occurred on Tuesday morning. The CBS News piece was on Wednesday evening. Even accounting for the time difference, it was not "over two days" after the incident.)
I shifted exactly zero goal posts.
Lol...no. First you said it hasn't been picked up on. Then you said they picked on it late. Pure goalpost shift of the highest order.
That's OK. You can be wrong sometimes you know.
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I'm not saying it wasn't covered at all but it's a rather important story that will impact Americans. Especially if it's stuck there for weeks. When you looked at the top 7 or so stories on CNN or Fox yesterday it wasn't to be found. Let's just say the other headlines were not exactly vital pieces of information that have a significant bearing on our lives.
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You: "As per usual though, our national news hasn't picked up on it because it hasn't affected Americans yet."
Me: "It was on the CBS news last night."
Topper: "Agree .. I've seen multiple stories about this."
You: "So over two days after the incident." (BTW, this is also wrong. The incident occurred on Tuesday morning. The CBS News piece was on Wednesday evening. Even accounting for the time difference, it was not "over two days" after the incident.)
Lol...no. First you said it hasn't been picked up on. Then you said they picked on it late. Pure goalpost shift of the highest order.
That's OK. You can be wrong sometimes you know.
Oh congrats, I was off by a matter of hours. Happened early morning Tuesday Egypt time, and was reported on the CBS nightly news midnight/early AM Thursday Egypt time. Your math is better, you're better. You happy? You're staring a stupid debate about a few hours, when we live in a 24 hour news cycle. If this was the Panama Canal and not the Suez canal, you'd better believe it would be nonstop news in the US. Instead, it took quite a while to make the evening national news cycle.
If you want to be a debatelord about a few hours to play the gotcha game, by all means. I admit I'm wrong more than almost anyone on this board. Unlike yourself, I can man up when I am wrong instead of just disappearing from the thread and pretending it didn't happen.
Or you could just discuss the topic at hand instead of being so pedantic.
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Can we get back to the toilet paper question?
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I'm not saying it wasn't covered at all but it's a rather important story that will impact Americans. Especially if it's stuck there for weeks. When you looked at the top 7 or so stories on CNN or Fox yesterday it wasn't to be found. Let's just say the other headlines were not exactly vital pieces of information that have a significant bearing on our lives.
It's not exactly a, errrrr, fast moving story. Only so many ways you can say "ship still stuck".
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Can we get back to the toilet paper question?
Gather leaves and loose-leaf paper.
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Gather leaves and loose-leaf paper.
No mention of towels?
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Fortunately, as opposed to arguing about it, you can track toppers fresh toilet paper in real time:
https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000
But this is scoop. Argue away.
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Scott is the equivalent of leaves and twigs IMO.
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Scott is the equivalent of leaves and twigs IMO.
We have a big pack still from the great TP shortage of '20 when it was literally the only ass paper in town.
Can confirm, it's the worst. Sandpaper is a good comp.
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Trouble in the Suez!
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Herd Biden's sendin' Pelosi down der to fix dis fiasco, hey?
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Herd Biden's sendin' Pelosi down der to fix dis fiasco, hey?
TBH dealing with a plugged up throughway is more Lindsey Graham's forte (or so I've heard)
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TBH dealing with a plugged up throughway is more Lindsey Graham's forte (or so I've heard)
Homophobe.
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Homophobe.
Ya nailed me - exactly!
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Stories on the liberal MSM haven't told us where we can send the gallons of water that we want to donate. If we send enough, the water level of the canal goes up and the ship just sails easily into the sunset.
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I really feel like the excavator doesn't stand a chance:
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The question I have - the Suez Canal has guidelines for the size of ships that are permitted to pass through it. As I understand it, this ship is larger than the guidelines. So why was it allowed to try?
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The question I have - the Suez Canal has guidelines for the size of ships that are permitted to pass through it. As I understand it, this ship is larger than the guidelines. So why was it allowed to try?
I thnk your info is old:
https://www.bbc.com/news/56523659
The channel was expanded in 2015 to allow vessels the size of the Ever Given to pass through.
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I thnk your info is old:
https://www.bbc.com/news/56523659
Ah, so it's a wider berth canal?
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I appreciate word play.
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I keep staring at that excavator picture. My brain can't handle the size and scale of what's going on there.
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It is so Scooplike for the main debate about a story of this magnitude to be about when the stories first appeared in the mainstream media. ::)
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I keep staring at that excavator picture. My brain can't handle the size and scale of what's going on there.
“I think I can. I think I can.”
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So what you're saying is...There's trouble in the Suez...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g)
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I keep staring at that excavator picture. My brain can't handle the size and scale of what's going on there.
It’s like trying to dig out Lake Michigan with a teaspoon
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I keep staring at that excavator picture. My brain can't handle the size and scale of what's going on there.
Especially considering the containers almost double the height of the ship. Might as well use a spoon to dig out a 100yr old oak tree.
edit: dang, I didn't see this reply first.
It’s like trying to dig out Lake Michigan with a teaspoon
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Especially considering the containers almost double the height of the ship.
20,000 containers on that ship.
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Paging Mike Mulligan
(http://www.mobygames.com/images/covers/l/28361-mike-mulligan-and-his-steam-shovel-windows-front-cover.jpg)
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Worldwide shipping containers and cargo ships were already difficult to come by and full of delays before this. Things just got even worse.
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Estimated $400m per HOUR of lost revenue. Whoa.
Not sure I believe that estimate. Some of the goods might be perishable, but .. they'll eventually be delivered.
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Estimated $400m per HOUR of lost revenue. Whoa.
Not sure I believe that estimate. Some of the goods might be perishable, but .. they'll eventually be delivered.
Does that number include all of the traffic that normally traverses the canal?
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/25/suez-canal-blockage-is-delaying-an-estimated-400-million-an-hour-in-goods.html
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The maps that show all the ships rerouted to now go around the Cape at the south of Africa is wild. Havent seen that much traffic since the 1800s.
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The maps that show all the ships rerouted to now go around the Cape at the south of Africa is wild. Havent seen that much traffic since the 1800s.
“Heavy traffic ahead, Waze has found an alternate route.”
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Estimated $400m per HOUR of lost revenue. Whoa.
Not sure I believe that estimate. Some of the goods might be perishable, but .. they'll eventually be delivered.
Even if it's 'only' $300M/hour, that's a lotta Beef 'N Cheddars.
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The maps that show all the ships rerouted to now go around the Cape at the south of Africa is wild. Havent seen that much traffic since the 1800s.
Aye, you were on the high seas then, ainarrrrrr?
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So where are the MU engineers on this? I thought you guys were smart. All the stuff has to come off. Oh yeah, and call the Costa Concordia salvage guys. Fixing screw-ups costs money. Big money. A lesson we just learned at our beloved. Back to my adult beverage.
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It's not exactly easy to dislodge something that weighs 200,000 metric tons and is 1,300 feet long. And from what I've read they may have to set up a barge and with a crane take off these containers one by one. Not only will something like this take weeks, but they may not have the infrastructure. Apparently emptying these ballast tanks isn't going to work and could destabilize the ship. Needless to say this is a complete nightmare and won't be over anytime soon.
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I would think for $400m an hour, they would ask for 10 missile strikes and blow the crap out of it. It'd be easier to pick up the pieces.
... Also, I read they tried using 8 tug boats. I wonder about the pulling capacity of one tug boat in the water, versus .. a bulldozer on land. I would think the bulldozer would have a much larger pulling force.
I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express before, so I know what I'm talking about.
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They should let the IDF go kick some Egyptian Army ass. Nothing clears out the Suez Canal faster than an Arab-Israeli War!
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It's not exactly easy to dislodge something that weighs 200,000 metric tons and is 1,300 feet long. And from what I've read they may have to set up a barge and with a crane take off these containers one by one. Not only will something like this take weeks, but they may not have the infrastructure. Apparently emptying these ballast tanks isn't going to work and could destabilize the ship. Needless to say this is a complete nightmare and won't be over anytime soon.
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Would expanding the canal around it be the best call now?
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Would expanding the canal around it be the best call now?
I'm guessing that would take longer than dislodging the ship....
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Would expanding the canal around it be the best call now?
Either a J School grad or, worse, a Biz Adder
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Either a J School grad or, worse, a Biz Adder
Definitely not a CE
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😂
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I first became familiar with Juan Browne during the Oroville Dam crisis when my son was out there for FEMA. He's a pilot by trade but has done a great job analyzing engineering disasters such at this. I hope you find it interesting and educational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyn2q6s1Sk&t=935s
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I first became familiar with Juan Browne during the Oroville Dam crisis when my son was out there for FEMA. He's a pilot by trade but has done a great job analyzing engineering disasters such at this. I hope you find it interesting and educational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyn2q6s1Sk&t=935s
Thanks for posting. More information that anything I have seen this week.
Fascinating that there is only one engine powering the ship.
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Mama we made it!
https://twitter.com/eslamattia88/status/1376376893981786113?s=21
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Bam!! Great job by all of those involved and were able to make this happen.
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Oh....wait. It's not over yet.
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Just for fun, you can now try to steer your own ship through the canal. I ran aground my first try....
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/03/cnnix-steership/?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=newsletter
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Just for fun, you can now try to steer your own ship through the canal. I ran aground my first try....
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/03/cnnix-steership/?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=newsletter
Like I had a chance when the winds went from zero to 50 knots!
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Like I had a chance when the winds went from zero to 50 knots!
Yeah - that was what doomed me too.
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Like I had a chance when the winds went from zero to 50 knots!
+2
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I collided ion like two seconds .....
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At what point does this officially become a shipping pandemic?
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Great. Boats are not competing in the "Ever Given Challenge" to get noticed...
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Great. Boats are not competing in the "Ever Given Challenge" to get noticed...
Reminds me of doing donuts in parking lots as a teenager. Rear wheel drive did have its advantages…
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Just when you thought this couldn't get any weirder ...
QAnon Claims Stuck Suez Canal Ship Used by Hillary Clinton to Traffic Children
https://www.newsweek.com/qanon-ship-suez-canal-hillary-clinton-1578428
Because ... of course!
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Morons.
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Everyone knows that.
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A great website to track shipping traffic real time throughout the world. You can see the back up around the Suez canal.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:4
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A great website to track shipping traffic real time throughout the world. You can see the back up around the Suez canal.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:4
That's cool. Not to go down a rabbit hole but I am again struck by the relative emptiness of the south Pacific. No way they find Tom Hanks on that raft.
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Just for fun, you can now try to steer your own ship through the canal. I ran aground my first try....
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/03/cnnix-steership/?utm_source=join1440&utm_medium=email&utm_placement=newsletter
I've come to the conclusion that the fastest this can be done is just a bit over 52 seconds. Maybe trying to set speed records is what led to the original accident.
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I've come to the conclusion that the fastest this can be done is just a bit over 52 seconds. Maybe trying to set speed records is what led to the original accident.
While I think you're just making a joke regarding the Sym, I've seen and read that speed was an important factor and perhaps not in the way most people would assume. It took 'high speed' (meaning a considerable force vector) to minimize the necessary crab configuration required while transiting the canal in those conditions. They simply had to 'gun it' to keep the giant ship as straight as possible. Bottom line, regulations and procedures simply haven't kept up with ships of this new size in close quarters like Suez. She simply shouldn't have made the attempt in those conditions. Like always, it takes disasters for the reality to sink in. We just ain't as smart as we think we are.
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I LOL when ever I read that ship could hold 20,000 containers when in reality they meant 20,000 TEU's which is a considerable difference
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While I think you're just making a joke regarding the Sym...
No joke. It's possible to do that thing in about 52 seconds at 100% power. It took about 10 minutes of experimenting during my lunch yesterday to figure it out. I am moderately embarrassed to admit that (as I should be).
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No joke. It's possible to do that thing in about 52 seconds at 100% power. It took about 10 minutes of experimenting during my lunch yesterday to figure it out. I am moderately embarrassed to admit that (as I should be).
Pedal to the metal was the only way I could complete it.
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Pedal to the metal was the only way I could complete it.
Yeah, that's what I discovered. When I first saw the link I tried it a couple times at a "reasonable" speed and crashed without getting very far at all. My first impression was that it was pretty much impossible. I came back to it at lunch and decided to try it at full power and figured it out within just a few tries.
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I changed speeds a few times but my best transit I was at 60% for most of it.
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Great another thing to take up my time instead of doing things I should be doing....
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I changed speeds a few times but my best transit I was at 60% for most of it.
I ran it at 100% with only three rudder adjustments (two clicks each).
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Surprise! The Ever Given is still stuck in Egypt.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/548315-egypt-seizes-ever-given-demands-compensation-after-suez-canal-blockage