MU last 5 years in the Old BE: 23
Last 5 years (before Shaka): 46
Requiem for the former members of the Big East. Looking outside the ACC...
Last 5 Big East years...
West Virginia: 19.4
Cincinnati: 49.2
South Florida: 106.4
Rutgers: 122.4
Last 5 years...
West Virginia: 37.6
Cincinnati: 53.0
South Florida: 176.4
Rutgers: 74.0 (All hail Steve Pikiell)
And the coup de grace...
UConn (Last 5 years Big East): 30.0
UConn (Last 5 years AAC): 90.2
UConn (Since rejoining Big East): 19.0
Only Rutgers has done better outside this league than in it, and that's thanks to a generational coach that brought them their first NCAA bid in three decades.The Big East, it's just better here.
Now do athletic department revenues (excluding pandemic seasons, of course).
Chasing short term revenue while producing a inferior product and upsetting your most loyal customers seems like a smart business strategy.
Chasing short term revenue while producing a inferior product and upsetting your most loyal customers seems like a smart business strategy.
MU last 5 years in the Old BE: 23Thanks to another once in a generation coach.
Last 5 years (before Shaka): 46
Slightly off topic, and Super Bar me if you want BUT...
With Chris Mack rumors swirling and Pitt & Cuse playing a meaningless game last night. I decided to do a quick comp of OBE team last 5 years in the Big East vs their last 5 years in the ACC. It's not pretty.
KenPom average their last 5 years in the Big East
Cuse: 9.2
Pitt: 22
Vile: 15
ND: 33
KenPom average last 5 years of ACC
Cuse: 50.8
Pitt: 138.2
Ville: 56.2
ND: 66.4
It's glaring for Pitt, Cuse and Louisville who were sometimes top 5 teams all at once and now are largely irrelevant. They all chased the football money and ironically the teams that got stronger were the true football schools, the SEC, which has become a real power in hoops, too.
So what should they have done?
1. Dropped football. Just kidding - none of the schools were going to do this.
2. Stayed in the Big East, which means now they are likely members of the American Conference (except for ND)
3. Taken the ACC invite.
The obvious answer is #3. Even if they knew THEN what they know NOW, they would have chosen #3 each and every time. In fact they probably would have accepted the invites faster given what has happened to their former BE football playing colleagues.
4. Not tell the rest of the league to turn down a massive ESPN deal then bolt. (Pitt)
Sure it likely would have broken up down the road but Pitt's program can rot for that move they pulled.
Their entire recruiting base was NY and Penn. Those kids don't care about playing in Greensboro, NC (ACC tourney site). And it's hard to get the kids that do care to also want to move up to Pittsburgh.
Also, Pitt's massive nosedive in hoops was COMPLETELY predictable. I never understood why they couldn't see it. Their entire recruiting base was NY and Penn. Those kids don't care about playing in Greensboro, NC (ACC tourney site). And it's hard to get the kids that do care to also want to move up to Pittsburgh.
And it was predictable because the exact same thing had already happened to BC. They used to be an NCAA tourney regular. Move from the BE to the ACC, completely fall apart. It was right there, but they ignored it. For football. Which hasn't been anything special either, in Pitt or BC.
Also, Pitt's massive nosedive in hoops was COMPLETELY predictable. I never understood why they couldn't see it. Their entire recruiting base was NY and Penn. Those kids don't care about playing in Greensboro, NC (ACC tourney site). And it's hard to get the kids that do care to also want to move up to Pittsburgh.
And it was predictable because the exact same thing had already happened to BC. They used to be an NCAA tourney regular. Move from the BE to the ACC, completely fall apart. It was right there, but they ignored it. For football. Which hasn't been anything special either, in Pitt or BC.
Jamie Dixon's departure and the hiring of Kevin Stallings to replace him had far more to do with Pitt's nosedive than conference affiliation.
Where a team plays its conference tourney probably ranks in the 30s or 40s among factors that lead to a kid's college decision.
You don't think Jamie Dixon bolted from there because he just lost his recruiting base? I didn't mean to imply that the location of the tourney mattered that much- that was an example of the broader point- kids from NY (where he got most of his players) don't care as much about the ACC as the BE. And the kids that care about the ACC don't care about Pittsburgh. Insert BC and kids from NE and the point is the same.
Slightly off topic, and Super Bar me if you want BUT...What about Boston Co., Virginia Tech and Miami? I think they were the teams that left that allowed MU and other teams to join Big East.
With Chris Mack rumors swirling and Pitt & Cuse playing a meaningless game last night. I decided to do a quick comp of OBE team last 5 years in the Big East vs their last 5 years in the ACC. It's not pretty.
KenPom average their last 5 years in the Big East
Cuse: 9.2
Pitt: 22
Vile: 15
ND: 33
KenPom average last 5 years of ACC
Cuse: 50.8
Pitt: 138.2
Ville: 56.2
ND: 66.4
It's glaring for Pitt, Cuse and Louisville who were sometimes top 5 teams all at once and now are largely irrelevant. They all chased the football money and ironically the teams that got stronger were the true football schools, the SEC, which has become a real power in hoops, too.
Also, Pitt's massive nosedive in hoops was COMPLETELY predictable. I never understood why they couldn't see it. Their entire recruiting base was NY and Penn. Those kids don't care about playing in Greensboro, NC (ACC tourney site). And it's hard to get the kids that do care to also want to move up to Pittsburgh.
And it was predictable because the exact same thing had already happened to BC. They used to be an NCAA tourney regular. Move from the BE to the ACC, completely fall apart. It was right there, but they ignored it. For football. Which hasn't been anything special either, in Pitt or BC.
Going a ways back but don't forget Boston College.Completely into the abyss?????? I don't think BC has ever lost an ACC hockey game ;D
That school fell completely into the abyss.