2016-17 Schedule

[Jay Bee]

One of my fundamental rules of business is don't look in the other guys pocket. Be satisfied with what works for you.

Sometimes a guy can't help but be jealous of what Dayton has, a''ina?

[Herman Cain]

Sometimes a guy can't help but be jealous of what Dayton has, a''ina?

I am through with Kostas until he decides to do a Luke and becomes homesick. I am on to Theo John and Terrance Lewis.

[Dawson Rental]

"Lots of fans"  LOL.  Not really.

And UWM can take it or leave it.  They don't take it, they can go somewhere else.

BTW, didn't the UWM program just go through a meltdown?

[brewcity77]

That's just a stupid way to run a business. you don't make decisions based on pride or the other businesses profit. You make the decision based on what's best for you. If UWM is the same price as a southern school but you get an opponent with better RPI and interest from the fanbase you take that deal. Who cares if UWM profits? It just sounds petty and cheap to take away a game lots of fans would be interested in seeing.

But everything about this is wrong. First, it's not the same cost. To get UWM, Marquette would have to give up a home game every four years. So you bring in an extra 500-1,000 people for that game versus another buy team but give up a home game that will sell at least 10,000 tickets? That's senseless. 10,000 > 3,000.

So if the cost is not the same, and fan interest is marginal, both of which we've established are pretty clearly the case, where's the incentive? The only reason to do it is to help UWM out. But based on past history, they can't sell their building out even when they do play us, so if the motivation is altruistic, it's also a flawed reason.

Further, the odds of playing on the road decrease your win chances significantly. Why risk a loss to Milwaukee when you could buy a comparable win with a team from further away?

Giving up a home game to get UWM on the schedule doesn't make dollars or sense.

[mu03eng]

But everything about this is wrong. First, it's not the same cost. To get UWM, Marquette would have to give up a home game every four years. So you bring in an extra 500-1,000 people for that game versus another buy team but give up a home game that will sell at least 10,000 tickets? That's senseless. 10,000 > 3,000.

So if the cost is not the same, and fan interest is marginal, both of which we've established are pretty clearly the case, where's the incentive? The only reason to do it is to help UWM out. But based on past history, they can't sell their building out even when they do play us, so if the motivation is altruistic, it's also a flawed reason.

Further, the odds of playing on the road decrease your win chances significantly. Why risk a loss to Milwaukee when you could buy a comparable win with a team from further away?

Giving up a home game to get UWM on the schedule doesn't make dollars or sense.

Plus if you want to improve the RPI it needs to be by playing teams that will win games. I have zero confidence in UWM having success the next couple of years given the state of that program that would make them a coveted RPI opponent

[KampusFoods]

I am through with Kostas until he decides to do a Luke and becomes homesick. I am on to Theo John and Terrance Lewis.

That isn't going to be nearly as much fun for the rest of us

[The Lens]

If road games are so tough to win, wouldn't you want that road game to be across the street from your gym and one where you'll have several thousand fans?  And one that has no travel costs?

[MUfan12]

Matchup with @BadgerMBB will cap busy week for #mubb. MU will then break for finals before last 2 non-league games.

Guessing those will be Dec. 17th or 18th and 21st or 22nd.

[GGGG]

Matchup with @BadgerMBB will cap busy week for #mubb. MU will then break for finals before last 2 non-league games.

Guessing those will be Dec. 17th or 18th and 21st or 22nd.

Aren't they a game short then?

[MUfan12]

Aren't they a game short then?

Two more non-con games leaves them at 17 home games, 30 overall. Plus the gate on the exhibition game they're sticking us with.

Looking back, it's either been 30 or 31 regular season games, and 16 or 17 home games. Last year was a bit of an outlier when it came to the home schedule.

[GGGG]

Two more non-con games leaves them at 17 home games, 30 overall. Plus the gate on the exhibition game they're sticking us with.

Looking back, it's either been 30 or 31 regular season games, and 16 or 17 home games. Last year was a bit of an outlier when it came to the home schedule.

OK thank you.

[jsglow]

Two more non-con games leaves them at 17 home games, 30 overall. Plus the gate on the exhibition game they're sticking us with.

Looking back, it's either been 30 or 31 regular season games, and 16 or 17 home games. Last year was a bit of an outlier when it came to the home schedule.

But it's a 4 game exempt tourney.  Has Marquette ever left an available buy game on the table?  Is that what they would be doing if they didn't play #31?

[bradley center bat]

Two more non-con games leaves them at 17 home games, 30 overall. Plus the gate on the exhibition game they're sticking us with.

Looking back, it's either been 30 or 31 regular season games, and 16 or 17 home games. Last year was a bit of an outlier when it came to the home schedule.

Last year was a heavy with 20 home games.

[GGGG]

But it's a 4 game exempt tourney.  Has Marquette ever left an available buy game on the table?  Is that what they would be doing if they didn't play #31?

They would be leaving a game on the table.  I can't say if they have done this before.

[MUfan12]

Here's the breakdown (home, away, neutral) from the last 6 schedules.

H     A    N   T 15-16   19   10   2   31 14-15   17   10   3   30 13-14   16   12   3   31 12-13   16   11   3   30 11-12   16   11   4   31 10-11   18   11   2   31

Have heard in the past that MU needs at least 16 home dates on the schedule to make enough money. Not sure if that has changed with the decline in STH numbers.

[jsglow]

Here's the breakdown from the last 6 schedules.

Home  Away Neutral   Total 15-16   19   10   2   31 14-15   17   10   3   30 13-14   16   12   3   31 12-13   16   11   3   30 11-12   16   11   4   31 10-11   18   11   2   31

I'm too lazy to do the work.  The operative question is whether those 30 games seasons were always associated with 3 game exempt tournaments while the 31 associated with 4 game.

[MUfan12]

I'm too lazy to do the work.  The operative question is whether those 30 games seasons were always associated with 3 game exempt tournaments while the 31 associated with 4 game.

15-16: 2 home games + 2 in Brooklyn
14-15: 3 in Florida
13-14: 3 in Cali
12-13: 1 home game + 3 in Maui
11-12: 1 home game + 3 in Virgin Islands
10-11: 2 in KC

Doesn't appear to be much of a correlation.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Last year MU played 13 non-con games, including the Stetson game in the middle of the BE season.

Wojo's first year, MU only played 12 non-con games.

I see no reason to leave a game on the table.  Seems dumb to me.  Maybe they were planning on that being the Utah game, and it just feel apart?

NOT INCLUDING EXHIBITIONS.

[brewcity77]

Here's the breakdown (home, away, neutral) from the last 6 schedules.

H     A    N   T 15-16   19   10   2   31 14-15   17   10   3   30 13-14   16   12   3   31 12-13   16   11   3   30 11-12   16   11   4   31 10-11   18   11   2   31

Have heard in the past that MU needs at least 16 home dates on the schedule to make enough money. Not sure if that has changed with the decline in STH numbers.

In 2014-15, we played 30 because we only got 3 games from the Orlando Classic. They did have home games for some of the teams involved, but we weren't one of them. In 2012-13, we played 30 because the Ohio State game on the Yorktown was cancelled and we didn't get a make-up game anywhere in the season. I've never known of Marquette to leave a game on the table before when they could have had a home date.

This would give us a breakdown of 17 home games, 10 away games, and 3 neutral site games. Not sure why they wouldn't want the 18th game at home from a financial perspective. Though I suppose, STHs pay the same whether there are 17 or 18 home games.

[jsglow]

Note that I'm not angling for another lousy home game.  20 last year was too many.  But I'd use that last slot to maybe do a quality 3-1 or 2-1, even if we start it on the road and are owed the multiples on the back end.  I view this like when we leave a scholly on the table unnecessarily.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

In 2014-15, we played 30 because we only got 3 games from the Orlando Classic. They did have home games for some of the teams involved, but we weren't one of them. In 2012-13, we played 30 because the Ohio State game on the Yorktown was cancelled and we didn't get a make-up game anywhere in the season. I've never known of Marquette to leave a game on the table before when they could have had a home date.

This would give us a breakdown of 17 home games, 10 away games, and 3 neutral site games. Not sure why they wouldn't want the 18th game at home from a financial perspective. Though I suppose, STHs pay the same whether there are 17 or 18 home games.

MU left a game on the table in 14-15, Wojo's first year. Only played 12 non con d1 games that season. 

[MUfan12]

In 2012-13, we played 30 because the Ohio State game on the Yorktown was cancelled and we didn't get a make-up game anywhere in the season.

Totally forgot about the Condensation Classic.

Unless it's a decent opponent, I'm fine with where things are at. The less crap games I have to sit through, the better.

[jsglow]

MU left a game on the table in 14-15, Wojo's first year. Only played 12 non con d1 games that season.

I believe your conclusion is incorrect.  In 14-15 they played in the 3 game Orlando Classic.  Each tournament (up to a maximum of 4 games) counts as a single game when calculating the total allowable non-cons.  This year we are playing a longer 4 game tourney.  So by definition one would be left on the table If I'm not mistaken. 

(And I could be.  )

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I believe your conclusion is incorrect.  In 14-15 they played in the 3 game Orlando Classic.  Each tournament (up to a maximum of 4 games) counts as a single game when calculating the total allowable non-cons.  This year we are playing a longer 4 game tourney.  So by definition one would be left on the table If I'm not mistaken. 

(And I could be.  )

Gotcha, I thought it was just 13 was the limit for d1 non-con games.

[jsglow]

Totally forgot about the Condensation Classic.

Unless it's a decent opponent, I'm fine with where things are at. The less crap games I have to sit through, the better.

And I even remember that some effort was made (perhaps modest) to make some phone calls to see if something could be lined up.  Obviously it wasn't a problem for fans that they couldn't or wouldn't pull the trigger given options presented, if any.