2016-17 Schedule

[GGGG]

That whole tournament is odd.  It's the week before Thanksgiving which means two home games during Thanksgiving week.  Ghost town.

[We R Final Four]

If we're going to give a 3-for-1 to a Horizon team (we shouldn't) I'd rather do it for Detroit and help a fellow Catholic school. Makes more sense than helping the Hyphens and less downside to losing.

....not only Catholic.......Jesuit!

[martyconlonontherun]

Marquette won't pay them like an away game without the travel.

Why wouldn't they? Would they rather play a lower RPI team that doesn't draw as well that they have to fly in from Alabama. As long as they don;t have to give up a home game, who cares is the traveling team has to travel or not.

[mu03eng]

Why wouldn't they? Would they rather play a lower RPI team that doesn't draw as well that they have to fly in from Alabama. As long as they don;t have to give up a home game, who cares is the traveling team has to travel or not.

There is bad blood with regards to UWM within the MU athletic department from the previous deal. They would rather pay more for someone else to come in and not give UWM the satisfaction. Whether you want to believe this or not the decision has nothing to do with pure logic. There is no benefit to MU to play UWM other than saving a couple of grand and I actually doubt UWM would provide a "discount" since they don't have to travel...consider it little brother syndrome.

[GGGG]

Why wouldn't they? Would they rather play a lower RPI team that doesn't draw as well that they have to fly in from Alabama. As long as they don;t have to give up a home game, who cares is the traveling team has to travel or not.

Because Marquette isn't stupid. You don't pay a team to drive across town the same as you would fly a team to fly into Milwaukee.

[bradley center bat]

That whole tournament is odd.  It's the week before Thanksgiving which means two home games during Thanksgiving week.  Ghost town.

Well, one game is days before Thanksgiving. It will happen with the handfull of exempt tournaments that are the week before Thanksgiving.

[spartan3186]

Opening post updated with information we now know. Howard having Marquette on their schedule for 11/14 yesterday is conclusive enough for me even though it's been taken down. Same thing happened with Belmont last year and the date originally released proved correct.

Georgia on December 4 made official today. That's going to be a tough game. They lose two starters, but JJ Frazier is ridiculous. Put up 16.9 ppg/4.6 rpg/4.4 apg last year and his efficiency numbers were straight out of a video game. Yante Maten is another very good player that could give us fits in the frontcourt. Good chance they'll be in the mix for a tourney berth come March.

If there was any doubt, the Howard game is now on the Marquette website.

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/marq-m-baskbl-sched.html

[Brewtown Andy]

There is bad blood with regards to UWM within the MU athletic department from the previous deal. They would rather pay more for someone else to come in and not give UWM the satisfaction. Whether you want to believe this or not the decision has nothing to do with pure logic. There is no benefit to MU to play UWM other than saving a couple of grand and I actually doubt UWM would provide a "discount" since they don't have to travel...consider it little brother syndrome.

As far as the bad blood goes, I remember Marquette putting zero effort in to advertising MU playing the game at the now-Panther Arena.  I also remember being at that game and it was nowhere near sold out.  Marquette doesn't sell out the BC for UWM, either.

This isn't a hottest ticket in town scenario.  If there's not demand from the paying public, why bother?

[Galway Eagle]

As long as UW-Madison gives them the 3-for-1 deal, I don't expect UW-Milwaukee (or Green Bay) to take less than that from Marquette. They have more incentive because they're all part of the same system, but we've got no such motivation.

Here's the thing...we're 39-0 against Milwaukee. That's the best undefeated series in NCAA history. Until someone else gets to 40-0, why bother playing them? When we win, we're just the crosstown bully, and when we lose, we're ridiculed. Where's the upside in that? If we're going to give a 3-for-1 to a Horizon team (we shouldn't) I'd rather do it for Detroit and help a fellow Catholic school. Makes more sense than helping the Hyphens and less downside to losing.

Pretty sure the best undefeated series is Syracuse vs Colgate. Remember reading this a few years back

[Herman Cain]

As far as the bad blood goes, I remember Marquette putting zero effort in to advertising MU playing the game at the now-Panther Arena.  I also remember being at that game and it was nowhere near sold out.  Marquette doesn't sell out the BC for UWM, either.

This isn't a hottest ticket in town scenario.  If there's not demand from the paying public, why bother?

The last two  three home games with UWM drew 14.917 (12/22/11) and 14,244 (12/8/09) and 15,168 (11/22/08). So I think it is safe to say there is plenty of demand for this product.

I believe UWM and UWGB games are perfect for the time period when school is out of session.

[bilsu]

As far as the bad blood goes, I remember Marquette putting zero effort in to advertising MU playing the game at the now-Panther Arena.  I also remember being at that game and it was nowhere near sold out.  Marquette doesn't sell out the BC for UWM, either.

This isn't a hottest ticket in town scenario.  If there's not demand from the paying public, why bother?

I would hate to be the MU coach that actually loses to UWM. Imagine MUScoop after that game.

[brewcity77]

Pretty sure the best undefeated series is Syracuse vs Colgate. Remember reading this a few years back

Longest winning streak, yes, but Colgate has defeated Syracuse. You just have to go way back.

EDIT: Colgate has defeated Syracuse on 45 occasions and it used to be a competitive series, but none since 1962.

http://www.orangehoops.org/CompetitorResults/Colgate.htm

[brewcity77]

The last two  three home games with UWM drew 14.917 (12/22/11) and 14,244 (12/8/09) and 15,168 (11/22/08). So I think it is safe to say there is plenty of demand for this product.

I believe UWM and UWGB games are perfect for the time period when school is out of session.

You're looking at the numbers wrong. All of those totals were below the season average for sales. Just because we're drawing 13k now doesn't mean it was always like that. Each of those seasons you mention the average sales was over 15,000. And I'm guessing there were quite a few fans dressed as empty seats.

[mu03eng]

You're looking at the numbers wrong. All of those totals were below the season average for sales. Just because we're drawing 13k now doesn't mean it was always like that. Each of those seasons you mention the average sales was over 15,000. And I'm guessing there were quite a few fans dressed as empty seats.

Yeah but #narrative

[GGGG]

As far as the bad blood goes, I remember Marquette putting zero effort in to advertising MU playing the game at the now-Panther Arena. 

And this is really the essence of the problem right?  UWM is mad that Marquette didn't spend money to help UWM make money.  Well screw 'em.

[Litehouse]

You're looking at the numbers wrong. All of those totals were below the season average for sales. Just because we're drawing 13k now doesn't mean it was always like that. Each of those seasons you mention the average sales was over 15,000. And I'm guessing there were quite a few fans dressed as empty seats.

Exactly

08/09 Avg. Attendance - 16,200
13,668 - Houston Baptist
13,158 - Central Michigan
13,470 - IPFW
13,653 - Western Carolina
13,879 - Presbyterian
15,168 - UWM (Sat. night game)
In a prime slot on a Sat. night, UWM drew an extra 1,600 people buying upper deck cheap seats over the average of 13,565 for those other crappy games.

09/10 Avg. Attendance - 15,617
14,093 - Centenary
13,511 - Maryland East. Shore
13,716 - Grambling
13,731 - South Dakota
14,117 - North Florida
14,321 - Presbyterian
14,244 - UWM
So UWM drew an extra 300 people over the average of 13,914 for those other crappy games.  Again, the expensive lower bowl seats are already sold out with season ticket holders, so those extra people probably spent $15/ticket in the upper deck.  UWM cost MU more than those other buy games and we probably made an extra $4,500 before the additional costs to help make UWM look more legitimate and have everyone in the local media crap on MU for a week.

11/12 Avg. Attendance - 15,138
13,834 - Mount St. Marys
12,765 - Norfolk
12,848 - Jacksonville
14,208 - UWGB
13,593 - N. Colorado
14,917 - UWM
UWM drew 1,467 more than the average of13,450 for those other buy games.  In exchange for all this we had to give up a home-game the previous year, which probably cost us $400,000.

[Litehouse]

n/m

[mu03eng]

Exactly

08/09 Avg. Attendance - 16,200
13,668 - Houston Baptist
13,158 - Central Michigan
13,470 - IPFW
13,653 - Western Carolina
13,879 - Presbyterian
15,168 - UWM (Sat. night game)
In a prime slot on a Sat. night, UWM drew an extra 1,600 people buying upper deck cheap seats over the average of 13,565 for those other crappy games.

09/10 Avg. Attendance - 15,617
14,093 - Centenary
13,511 - Maryland East. Shore
13,716 - Grambling
13,731 - South Dakota
14,117 - North Florida
14,321 - Presbyterian
14,244 - UWM
So UWM drew an extra 300 people over the average of 13,914 for those other crappy games.  Again, the expensive lower bowl seats are already sold out with season ticket holders, so those extra people probably spent $15/ticket in the upper deck.  UWM cost MU more than those other buy games and we probably made an extra $4,500 before the additional costs to help make UWM look more legitimate and have everyone in the local media crap on MU for a week.

11/12 Avg. Attendance - 15,138
13,834 - Mount St. Marys
12,765 - Norfolk
12,848 - Jacksonville
14,208 - UWGB
13,593 - N. Colorado
14,917 - UWM
UWM drew 1,467 more than the average of13,450 for those other buy games.  In exchange for all this we had to give up a home-game the previous year, which probably cost us $400,000.

To complete the analysis, you'd also have to look at the number of season ticket holders in a given year. There is a baked number of tickets already, and as you point out UWM barely cleared more "walk ups" than someone like Northern Colorado and we had to give up a games worth of revenue to get that.

UWM can go suck a lemon.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Fresno State is on Dec. 6 or 7th.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Fresno State is on Dec. 6 or 7th.

Schedule says 12/6.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Schedule is solid so far.  Wisconsin should be next announcement. 

Let's just hope that isn't followed up by three dregs of the NCAA.

[Jay Bee]

That is what I was thinking, but thought it odd that the game was after New York.

The exempt tournament thing is an sham. They can marry up misc other/non-bracketed games as long as all 4 games are within 2 weeks of each other (17.3.5.1.1(b))

[DegenerateDish]

MU vs Michigan is set, Pitt/SMU for 2K.

[Herman Cain]

MU vs Michigan is set, Pitt/SMU for 2K.

This is an excellent opportunity for a quality win.

[Smokin' Jae]

IUPUI on  on Tues Nov 22 as part of the 2k classic. Rematch of last years game that went to OT.  188 in RPI last year.