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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: jesmu84 on February 02, 2014, 01:59:47 PM
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4. Marquette (4-5) Marquette may have had a better week than its 1-1 record would indicate. The Golden Eagles easily beat a good Providence team and then lost badly to a team that has to be far better than it had been showing. St. John's crushed Marquette. But St. John's almost beat Creighton in Omaha. My gut tells me Marquette is playing a better brand of basketball overall than they did early in the season and that's why they're awarded with a #4 position in Power Rankings. Truth be told there is virtually no difference in #4 through #7.
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Sorry, but that power ranking is inflated. More like 8th would be realistic.
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This is probably the least accurate power ranking I've ever seen.
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Sorry, but that power ranking is inflated. More like 8th would be realistic.
As always willie, thanks for your thoughtful insight into Marquette Basketball.
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As always willie, thanks for your thoughtful insight into Marquette Basketball.
If you look at current standings, Mu is 6th. Every team above them should be above them in the power ranking, and St. John's demolished them, and I would put GT ahead also after beating MSU. Hell, somebody could argue that Butler should be ahead also, Now put that into your thoughtful insight and think about it.
8th at best--no question or debate. Thoughtful, isn't it?
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If you look at current standings, Mu is 6th. Every team above them should be above them in the power ranking, and St. John's demolished them, and I would put GT ahead also after beating MSU. Hell, somebody could argue that Butler should be ahead also, Now put that into your thoughtful insight and think about it.
8th at best--no question or debate. Thoughtful, isn't it?
So St. John's should be above us for beating us in their own place, but Georgetown should be above us despite us beating them at their place? Man, oh man. I thought your basketball knowledge was lacking. Seems like your common sense is even more lacking!
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Actual ranking aside, I agree with the general sentiment. Marquette is easily playing better ball now than at the beginning of the season. I don't think that means they're going to win the Big East, or even make it to the tourney. But it doesn't seem terribly controversial to say they're playing better.
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Besides Creighton and Villanova, the rest of the Big East pretty much blows.
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Besides Creighton and Villanova, the rest of the Big East pretty much blows.
Hey, at least Madison's on a roll right now.
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If you look at current standings, Mu is 6th. Every team above them should be above them in the power ranking, and St. John's demolished them, and I would put GT ahead also after beating MSU. Hell, somebody could argue that Butler should be ahead also, Now put that into your thoughtful insight and think about it.
8th at best--no question or debate. Thoughtful, isn't it?
For once I agree with Willie. Brian Otskey (rush the court contributor) put us around 8th and I have to agree.
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So St. John's should be above us for beating us in their own place, but Georgetown should be above us despite us beating them at their place? Man, oh man. I thought your basketball knowledge was lacking. Seems like your common sense is even more lacking!
It's right now Sherlock, not 3 weeks ago. GT is playing better right now. And in case you missed it, St. John's Kicked our ass so yes they should be ranked higher. Did you check your common sense before you got to the keyboard? Just typical of some here, the insults start flying whenever somebody disagrees with their blue and gold perspective.
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For once I agree with Willie. Brian Otskey (rush the court contributor) put us around 8th and I have to agree.
Uh oh, don't tell Wade's World. I guess that makes Otskey an idiot too--at least to Wade's World, who of course is always the correct opinion.
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It's right now Sherlock, not 3 weeks ago. GT is playing better right now. And in case you missed it, St. John's Kicked our ass so yes they should be ranked higher. Did you check your common sense before you got to the keyboard? Just typical of some here, the insults start flying whenever somebody disagrees with their blue and gold perspective.
Not blue and gold glasses at all. We're awful. You're just entirely hypocritical. One team should be ranked higher than us because they beat us at home. Another team should be ranked higher than us despite us beating them at their place. That makes sense...in Willie's world.
Georgetown is playing better right now? Are you drunk, high, or both? They beat a Michigan State team who didn't have 2 of their 3 best players essentially at home and otherwise have lost 5 straight games, and 6 out of 7 games. What are you talking about? We have a better Big East record, the same overall record, beat them at their place, and have a better record over the last week, 2 weeks, and 3 weeks. Questioning my logic while you use that "logic." Hilarious.
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Uh oh, don't tell Wade's World. I guess that makes Otskey an idiot too--at least to Wade's World, who of course is always the correct opinion.
Accurate. See post above. Can't wait to see the justification for Georgetown above us. Losers of 6 of 8, 1 being at home to Marquette, with a worse Big East record and the same overall record. Yeah, they should be ranked ahead of Marquette in the Big East Power Rankings! Lol.
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It's right now Sherlock, not 3 weeks ago. GT is playing better right now. And in case you missed it, St. John's Kicked our ass so yes they should be ranked higher. Did you check your common sense before you got to the keyboard? Just typical of some here, the insults start flying whenever somebody disagrees with their blue and gold perspective.
P.S. I guess we can all expect Cal to jump Arizona and be #1 when the new polls are released tomorrow afternoon. They have to be. Beat Arizona, so Zona can't be ranked above them.
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P.S. I guess we can all expect Cal to jump Arizona and be #1 when the new polls are released tomorrow afternoon. They have to be. Beat Arizona, so Zona can't be ranked above them.
Wait. They can. As long as they are "playing better right now." And we can define "playing better right now" as "losing 6 out of the last 8 games."
Ahh, the logic of Williewarrior!
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P.S. I guess we can all expect Cal to jump Arizona and be #1 when the new polls are released tomorrow afternoon. They have to be. Beat Arizona, so Zona can't be ranked above them.
I can't tell if you just used the same logic to say why we should be ahead of Georgetown to then support your argument as to why Arizona should be ahead of Cal? I really don't have a dog in the fight. Just not sure if teal should be used on these posts or not.
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I can't tell if you just used the same logic to say why we should be ahead of Georgetown to then support your argument as to why Arizona should be ahead of Cal? I really don't have a dog in the fight. Just not sure if teal should be used on these posts or not.
If you were to apply varying shades of teal to wades' last 4 posts, it would go from white in the beginning to a very very deep teal at the end
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I can't tell if you just used the same logic to say why we should be ahead of Georgetown to then support your argument as to why Arizona should be ahead of Cal? I really don't have a dog in the fight. Just not sure if teal should be used on these posts or not.
Nah, it is just wades world trying to have it both ways to prove an invalid point. He gets all worked up because I used current standings/play--not 3 weeks ago--to justify why IMO MU would be 8. Just proves the point around here that when somebody has an opinion that is not favorable for MU, some of the less objective lovers get all bent out of shape, start to throw insults and call names. They believe that only their world view/opinion is the one that counts and go out of their to try to destroy others who do not share that sentiment. Now pretty soon they will come out of the woodwork--"Why the hate for MU?", or "you are not a fan" interlaced with insults and smart ass names. Been a fan of MU since 1957, and have pretty much seen all the ups and downs in that time. This years team has not done well with the talent that is there--and that is on the Coach. Still love the Warriors but this year, especially after recent success is one of the most disappointing I have seen in many years.
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Nah, it is just wades world trying to have it both ways to prove an invalid point. He gets all worked up because I used current standings/play--not 3 weeks ago--to justify why IMO MU would be 8. Just proves the point around here that when somebody has an opinion that is not favorable for MU, some of the less objective lovers get all bent out of shape, start to throw insults and call names. They believe that only their world view/opinion is the one that counts and go out of their to try to destroy others who do not share that sentiment. Now pretty soon they will come out of the woodwork--"Why the hate for MU?", or "you are not a fan" interlaced with insults and smart ass names. Been a fan of MU since 1957, and have pretty much seen all the ups and downs in that time. This years team has not done well with the talent that is there--and that is on the Coach. Still love the Warriors but this year, especially after recent success is one of the most disappointing I have seen in many years.
Justifying your opinions makes you look a lot less like a troll and is the best defense against those that will soon come out of the woodwork.
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Pretty amusing to see folks getting all worked up about random rankings by some random blogger.
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Interesting ranking
I'll go with the following, though I think 4 through 7 is a mish mash musch of meh a lot of the times (moments of creamy goodness followed by moments of suckitude)
Creighton
Villanova
Xavier
Providence
Georgetown
St. John's
Marquette
Seton Hall
Butler
DePaul
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Nah, it is just wades world trying to have it both ways to prove an invalid point. He gets all worked up because I used current standings/play--not 3 weeks ago--to justify why IMO MU would be 8. Just proves the point around here that when somebody has an opinion that is not favorable for MU, some of the less objective lovers get all bent out of shape, start to throw insults and call names. They believe that only their world view/opinion is the one that counts and go out of their to try to destroy others who do not share that sentiment. Now pretty soon they will come out of the woodwork--"Why the hate for MU?", or "you are not a fan" interlaced with insults and smart ass names. Been a fan of MU since 1957, and have pretty much seen all the ups and downs in that time. This years team has not done well with the talent that is there--and that is on the Coach. Still love the Warriors but this year, especially after recent success is one of the most disappointing I have seen in many years.
Willie this is an honest question. In terms of the rankings you say you look at the current standings/play of a team and say Georgetown should be ahead of Marquette. So do you literally look at the last game that team has played to determine where you rank each team? Because Georgetown's last win was nice being over MSU, but let's keep in mind MSU was missing 2 of their 3 best players in Dawson and Payne. Prior to that, Georgetown had lost 5 straight games. So the only way you can justify saying Georgetown is playing better than Marquette is if you look only at their last game played to determine their place in the "rankings." That just doesn't make much sense. If people do that, then Arizona would find itself unranked while sitting at 20-1. And Cal would be 15-9 or something and find itself ranked in the top 5 of the country. It just doesn't make sense, logically speaking. Do you see what I'm getting at?
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Willie this is an honest question. In terms of the rankings you say you look at the current standings/play of a team and say Georgetown should be ahead of Marquette. So do you literally look at the last game that team has played to determine where you rank each team? Because Georgetown's last win was nice being over MSU, but let's keep in mind MSU was missing 2 of their 3 best players in Dawson and Payne. Prior to that, Georgetown had lost 5 straight games. So the only way you can justify saying Georgetown is playing better than Marquette is if you look only at their last game played to determine their place in the "rankings." That just doesn't make much sense. If people do that, then Arizona would find itself unranked while sitting at 20-1. And Cal would be 15-9 or something and find itself ranked in the top 5 of the country. It just doesn't make sense, logically speaking. Do you see what I'm getting at?
I just think some of us don't understand the concept of "power rankings".
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not sure how Madison comes into play in a forum discussing Big East Power rankings, but they really suck right now as well...
Hey, at least Madison's on a roll right now.
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Willie this is an honest question. In terms of the rankings you say you look at the current standings/play of a team and say Georgetown should be ahead of Marquette. So do you literally look at the last game that team has played to determine where you rank each team? Because Georgetown's last win was nice being over MSU, but let's keep in mind MSU was missing 2 of their 3 best players in Dawson and Payne. Prior to that, Georgetown had lost 5 straight games. So the only way you can justify saying Georgetown is playing better than Marquette is if you look only at their last game played to determine their place in the "rankings." That just doesn't make much sense. If people do that, then Arizona would find itself unranked while sitting at 20-1. And Cal would be 15-9 or something and find itself ranked in the top 5 of the country. It just doesn't make sense, logically speaking. Do you see what I'm getting at?
Yes, I see what you are getting at. Those rankings are just a snapshot, however. Az. did drop 1 place with their loss. I put GT ahead of MU because of that last victory combined with the ass kicking we just received from St. John's. Right now I honestly see MU as 8th in conference "power" based on overall performance and most recent play. Now if MU won 2 or 3 straight, then they would bounce up. Besides it is simply my opinion, which counts for no more than some blogger who rated them 4th. Most of the RPI's show us about 7th in BEast. RPI's as I understand them should be more accurate than somebody's power ranking, because they are based on records, opponents records, where played etc. More statistically accurate. GT is rated about 20 places above MU in most recent RPI. If you think differently, fine. There is a return game with them, and I hope we humiliate them.