Kolek planning to go pro
Alright, it's obvious trying to be civil with you is getting me nowhere..so i'm done. You continue to be obtuse, a total smart ass, and seemingly afraid to divulge your reasons for thinking the way you do. It's obviously one of those things where as you'd say "you just are" without having any real basis for feeling that way. That's fine, that's your choice I guess. Can't say I didn't try.
Okay Rico, I'm going to TRY to take a civilized approach here with you, and try to get you to divulge the REAL reasons behind why you're so determined to pick this hill to die on?? What confounds me about your strong views on this is I'm guessing you have never talked to or asked a D1 football player or basketball player their views on this topic. Admittedly, I haven't either. But I read enough things, to know, it sure seems ot me like you have this view on it that even the student athletes themselves don't have. The question is...why?? Is it that you don't like rich people(Coaches, administrators etc)?? Is it because the NCAA some how wronged you personally at some point?? Do you not like that they punish schools enough for things?? What is it, what is your underlying reason here?? It baffles me that someone would take such a strong stance on this that even the athletes themselves don't have.This is semi related, but I don't know if you read the post the other day from the athletic talking about the one time transfer rule..Dana O' Neill got quotes from several players about it and the basis for the article was really Sam Hauser. Every one of the players she talked to, thought that sitting out was actually a good thing, and Sam himself even said that even had he been able to play right away, he would have sat out anyway.I'm sure you understand that no one makes these kids go to college..they have other options, yet they still choose to do it, and doesn't it make sense that if they really thought it was so bad, they simply wouldn't do it?? I'm really interested to hear why you feel as strongly as you do(and you aren't the only one that does)..because it just seems odd, that you seemingly care so much and feel so strongly about something that the people effected by it directly don't even care that much about it...they just do what they do.
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My reason: Amateurism is stupid.
See...this is exactly what i thought..those of that are so strongly against it, don't really have well reasoned answers as to why you feel the way you do. You just do. "amateurism is stupid" shows you don't have a reason to feel that way. And because you feel that way, that's just the way it's supposed to be.I could say: wearing a mask is "stupid". That doesn't however mean that there aren't valid reasons for masks being worn. You can think something is stupid all you want, but that doesn't mean there aren't reasons it needs to be the way that it is, or why it is the way that it is.
I just don't buy the player development issue. Players have certainly developed under Wojo. Not everyone has developed at the same rate or to the same level, but Markus Howard became an All American. Sacar Anim became a solid starter.
Howard is an all American and Hauser was an all conference performer. Aside from those two, we haven’t had a high school recruit all conference player during Wojo’s tenure. (Except Ellenson).Sacar is an awesome role player but he’s not a difference maker. Theo is a great defensive player, but again, not a difference maker etc. As I’m typing this, maybe I can be convinced otherwise....Is it an overall talent issue coming into the program from high school or a lack of development beyond normal expected growth?
Just in the last 3 years, Madison had these transfers: Jordan Hill. Kobe King, Andy Can Vliet, Alex Illikaninen and Tai Strickland.
Theo is a great defensive player
Concerns about Wojo: Scheme. In game adjustments. Not concerns about Wojo: Player development, transfers.
Fine.In every level of society, we say it is "unamerican" to limit someone's compensation. You or I can go out and make whatever money someone is willing to pay us. In college ahtletics, that means coaches, athletic directors, administrators, Presidents, etc. can make whatever they can. Except the players. Their compensation is limited to the value of the scholarship. And the reason given is due to "fairness." But fairness doesn't prevents conferences from raiding other conferences for their top members. It doesn't prevent those conferences from signing television deals that dwarf other conferences. It doesn't prevent them from setting up a "tournament share" arrangement that pays teams from those conferences more. And then they get to use that money to pay the best coaches, create the best facilities, etc.How fair is that?In professional sports at least, compensation caps are government by a collective bargaining agreement negotiated by a union. College players don't even have that. They have to take a set level of compensation without any negotiation on their part. And that's it. It is fundamentally unfair.
Is he though? Sure he gets a bunch of blocks and looks intimidating. But he goes for blocks alot. Most times he falls out of position and either contests the shot and force a miss, but then is out of position for a rebound and they get +2 on a put back, or he fouls.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
It's a talent issue...the guys that he has brought in, in a lot of instances are what they are..the best you can ever hope for is for them to be a solid role player. Yes, every program needs those guys, but too often in the last six years MU has had role players being important parts of the rotation. That's a n thrust into key roles or even been starters for MU. That's not going to get it done.
Thank you, at least you gave a well thought out reasoning for why you feel that way. Now I'm not saying any of this to be condescending at all, but Sultan, it's not like the value of a scholarship is chump change, that is worth something, quite a bit of something, wouldn't you agree?? It's the schools that pay for those for the athletes, while a vast majority of the general student population don't have that luxury. That's one thing.
Second...technically their compensation isn't limited...again, no one is making them go to college to be a student athlete. They have many choices they could make to be "fairly" compensated. they could give up basketball(or whatever sport) altogether after HS and go get a regular job like a vast majority of people have to do, and they would then be employees and will be compensated. Or, they can even go to college if they so choose, and they can just not play a sport, be a regular college student, get a job etc, they will be compensated. They can also try their hand at going pro somewhere out of HS, overseas or whatever. They have options, and no one is making them do anything they aren't choosing to do of their own free will.
They don't have a union because they aren't employees. Again, none of this is to be condescending, but it's all true. Honestly, how different would things look(and I will likely get vilified for this, but oh well), if there were no Title IX requirements because of "fairness"?? You take that requirement away and I think the landscape would be completely different.
I disagree with this completely, player development is a huge issue. Markus didn't develop with Wojo, he developed because his brothers pushed him and trained him.
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.
Lol. Every college player is training on their own or with someone else in off seasons. So I guess no coach in college basketball develops players.