2014-15 NFC North/NFL Thread

[4everwarriors]

Sure that wasn't one bloodsucker hitchhikin' or takin' the Greyhound from IN, hey?

[MU B2002]

I'd put it at about 25% chance given his past history of similar behavior.

Yea, that for sure raises the chances. I think he gets a fine, but Riola also has a history of being a scumbag and his play was a lot more visibly intentional. (If that phrase even makes sense.)




Well I was wrong.

[hairy worthen]

Yea, that for sure raises the chances. I think he gets a fine, but Riola also has a history of being a scumbag and his play was a lot more visibly intentional. (If that phrase even makes sense.)

If you look at it closely, it is clearly visibly intentional. You know when you step down and hit something like a leg, you don't push down harder and then step off and push down again. You can see the muscles in his leg push down and put extra pressure on Rodgers leg.
That's not something you do if you are just walking backward.

Having said that the NFL will most likely not suspend the best player the Lions have on defense for a playoff game.

[wadesworld]

Yea, that for sure raises the chances. I think he gets a fine, but Riola also has a history of being a scumbag and his play was a lot more visibly intentional. (If that phrase even makes sense.)

I agree with that.  Riola's was a suspension regardless of his past history.  In Suh's case, I think if this was a first offense he'd just be fined some pocket change.  I think since he has a history of stomping on players there's a slight chance he actually does get suspended.  Most likely just a bigger fine, but still I'd put it at a lot more than 0.000001% chance.

[MU B2002]

I agree with that.  Riola's was a suspension regardless of his past history.  In Suh's case, I think if this was a first offense he'd just be fined some pocket change.  I think since he has a history of stomping on players there's a slight chance he actually does get suspended.  Most likely just a bigger fine, but still I'd put it at a lot more than 0.000001% chance.

Yep, my number was an exaggeration.  You can times those odds by 10K. 


I also think Watt may have edged ahead of 12 in the MVP race yesterday.

[DegenerateDish]

Schefter just confirmed what I had heard earlier that the Bears reached out to Harbaugh this morning. Probably nothing there, but they're at least being diligent, fwiw.

[jesmu84]

Schefter just confirmed what I had heard earlier that the Bears reached out to Harbaugh this morning. Probably nothing there, but they're at least being diligent, fwiw.

Hearing anything about Phillips or Cutler?

[GGGG]

Hearing anything about Phillips or Cutler?

There is no reason to make any decision now about Cutler.  That will be left up to the new GM I am assuming.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yep, my number was an exaggeration.  You can times those odds by 10K. 


I also think Watt may have edged ahead of 12 in the MVP race yesterday.

Funny thing about Watt's "MVP-caliber" season is that Justin Houston's was nearly as good yet you hear nothing about him.

[ATWizJr]

Whatever happened to Davante Adams after his two couple of big games?

[GGGG]

Whatever happened to Davante Adams after his two couple of big games?

The Drops.

[MU B2002]

Funny thing about Watt's "MVP-caliber" season is that Justin Houston's was nearly as good yet you hear nothing about him.

Agree.  Probably wont get a single DPOY VOTE.  Crazy

[brandx]

Yep, my number was an exaggeration.  You can times those odds by 10K. 


I also think Watt may have edged ahead of 12 in the MVP race yesterday.

Clueless on both issues. Sub has a long history of this sort of thing. And it was Rodgers who wrapped up the MVP yesterday. Watt is Defensive POY.

I've never heard anything as silly as a defensive player on a non-playoff team being the MVP.

[Benny B]

Yep, my number was an exaggeration.  You can times those odds by 10K. 


I also think Watt may have edged ahead of 12 in the MVP race yesterday.

'Tis true that Watt edged ahead around 2:45p CST.  Unfortunately for J.J., the season wasn't over yet.

It doesn't matter who led the 190th lap.  It matters who led at the end of the 200th lap... and that was Aaron Rodgers.

[brandx]

How can any player on a non-playoff team be the MOST valuable player?

If you take Rodgers of GB,  - they are not playoff teams. If you take Watt off the Texans, they would miss the same playoffs that they missed WITH him?

Defensive POY - nothing more, nothing less.

[brandx]

Schefter just confirmed what I had heard earlier that the Bears reached out to Harbaugh this morning. Probably nothing there, but they're at least being diligent, fwiw.

Reaching out last week would have been diligent.

Doing so now is CYA.

[brandx]

Funny thing about Watt's "MVP-caliber" season is that Justin Houston's was nearly as good yet you hear nothing about him.

Not even close in any way whatsoever except for sacks.

[MerrittsMustache]

Not even close in any way whatsoever except for sacks.

Really?

Sacks: 22-20.5 Houston
Solo tackles: 59 for both
Force Fumbles: 4 for both
Fumble Recoveries: 5-0 Watt
INT: 1-0 Watt

You don't consider those numbers to be "even close in any way whatsoever?" Interesting.

[4everwarriors]

Suh, IMHO, gets a suspension. The NFL is very diligent, as they should be, in protectin' their product, i.e., superstar quarterbacks.

[shiloh26]

Suh, IMHO, gets a suspension. The NFL is very diligent, as they should be, in protectin' their product, i.e., superstar quarterbacks.

In a weird homer-esque way, I hope he doesn't.  No way the Lions beat the Cowboys without him, and I'd much rather see the Packers play the winner of Arizona/Carolina than play Dallas. 

[brandx]

Really?

Sacks: 22-20.5 Houston
Solo tackles: 59 for both
Force Fumbles: 4 for both
Fumble Recoveries: 5-0 Watt
INT: 1-0 Watt

You don't consider those numbers to be "even close in any way whatsoever?" Interesting.

How come you only listed ones that were close? Not to mention that Houston plays on a much, much better defense than Watt if you look at the players around him. Houston has only 1 other above average player on 'D'. I'll get you started:

Tackles for loss - 29-23 Watt
QB Hits - 43 - 8 Watt
1st player in NFL history with 20 sacks two years in a row
Led all defensive players in touchdowns
First player in NFL history to score via a safety, pick-six, fumble return and a receiving TD in the same season

If you compare Watts individual stats with a composite of the best defensive linemen in the entire league - he still comes out ahead of them all.

[brandx]

In a weird homer-esque way, I hope he doesn't.  No way the Lions beat the Cowboys without him, and I'd much rather see the Packers play the winner of Arizona/Carolina than play Dallas. 

Stafford has NEVER won a road game against a winning team - so it really doesn't matter.

[GGGG]

Stafford has NEVER won a road game against a winning team - so it really doesn't matter.

I think Dallas wins this game, but if Detroit is going to pull at upset in the playoffs, this is a scenario that I can see happening.

Dallas plays indoors and doesn't have a great home field advantage.  Stafford and Detroit like the indoors as well.  Dallas is a great run team, and despite yesterday, Detroit usually does a great job against the run.

Keep it close and force Romo to throw the ball?  Well it wouldn't be the biggest upset in the world if he throws a couple picks and Detroit manages to pull this out.

[jsglow]

I also think Watt may have edged ahead of 12 in the MVP race yesterday.

Didn't make the playoffs and finished 9-7 in a dog division.  Exactly 4 of their wins are against the combined 5-27 record of Jacksonville and Tennessee.  I love JJ but winning is the name of the game.  Rodgers' 'Willis Reed' performance in a 'playoff game' on the tundra sealed the deal.  Had the Packers lost maybe an argument for someone else could be made.   Romo is also worthy but will finish 3rd in the voting.

By the way, Dallas is playing great football.  Assuming they win against the Lions, they'll be a formidable opponent in two weeks.

[MU82]

How can any player on a non-playoff team be the MOST valuable player?

If you take Rodgers of GB,  - they are not playoff teams. If you take Watt off the Texans, they would miss the same playoffs that they missed WITH him?

Defensive POY - nothing more, nothing less.

Totally agree with this.

I really like Watt, but it shouldn't even be particularly close. I mean, we got many opportunities to see first-hand the difference in the Packers with and without Rodgers -- the best player in the league at the most important position on the field.