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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Herman Cain on August 07, 2018, 05:46:16 PM
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The PGA championship is being held at Bellerive Country Club this year. Reports are out that the course condition is soft, it is a long course and the greens are relatively small. This kind of set up will definitely favor longer hitters with a good iron game. If the course dries up it will bring more potential challengers into play. Should be a wide open championship this year.
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I like DJ this week.
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Rory has pretty good track record playing soft courses in a major. That said, I would not be surprised if someone outside top 50 rankings wins it.
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All the 2018 major winners have been wearing Nike, with mixed bags.
Finau? Fleetwood? Kyle Stanley?
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Quote from Tiger before the tournament has started:
"Right now it doesn't really favor anyone because it's playing so soft,'' Woods said. "The ball is just plugging out there, and if anything it favors a guy who hits the ball high. Because we're not going to get any run, it's not going to dry out the rest of the week. It's going to be hot, it's going to be wet, and fortunately I'm one of the guys who hit the ball high and get the ball up in the air, and you just need to get the ball out there.''
This may be the week....
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Quote from Tiger before the tournament has started:
"Right now it doesn't really favor anyone because it's playing so soft,'' Woods said. "The ball is just plugging out there, and if anything it favors a guy who hits the ball high. Because we're not going to get any run, it's not going to dry out the rest of the week. It's going to be hot, it's going to be wet, and fortunately I'm one of the guys who hit the ball high and get the ball up in the air, and you just need to get the ball out there.''
This may be the week....
It won't be. He's going to be punished off the tee.
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stimp of about 10-10 1/2 ?? that seems kinda slow for any PGA event.
is jordie gonna break out of his slump?
keegan bradley has been showing signs of old keegan-think ryder cup 2012
patrick reed is a pit bull and is hungry for some attention
sleeper-webb simpson(he's in my #2 lineup)
sleeper #2-andrew putnam-finished out the barracuda 70-64-65-68
here's my draft king winner lineup- dustin johnson
jordie spieth
charlie hoffman
anirban lahiri
andrew putnam
ollie(who needs a golf cap) schneiderjans
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Fowler off to a strong start at 5 under. Jason Day at 3 under is positioned well after the first round.Tiger and Rory get out of the gates early and post even par which should keep them in the hunt if they can come up with a strong round tomorrow.
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The PGA championship is being held at Bellerive Country Club this year. Reports are out that the course condition is soft, it is a long course and the greens are relatively small. This kind of set up will definitely favor longer hitters with a good iron game. If the course dries up it will bring more potential challengers into play. Should be a wide open championship this year.
Long and soft just is a bad visual. Knot good, aina?
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Long and soft just is a bad visual. Knot good, aina?
Ok. Lets call it warm moist and receptive then...
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Tiger finishes up the second round at 4 under. He is well positioned to win this tournament.
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Tiger finishes up the second round at 4 under. He is well positioned to win this tournament.
6 back?
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Tiger finishes up the second round at 4 under. He is well positioned to win this tournament.
You continue to be wrong and more wrong.
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This TNT coverage is awful.
Edit - Just as I post that, we get 5 minutes on Barkley swing. Fresh content TNT.
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You continue to be wrong and more wrong.
Don't you see, as long as he makes the cut, he's still going to magically be Tiger from 2000 and shoot 63-63 on Sat/Sun to run away with it. ::)
If you're a Tiger fan, be thrilled that he's back playing and making major cuts again. If he stays healthy, he might have a chance to contend for another major. But he's nowhere near a top 10 player on tour and this constant "Tiger is lurking" talk is silly, especially when he's 6 back with multiple major winners like Koepka, Johnson, Thomas in front of him, not to mention guys like Fowler and then Kisner, who has been on fire.
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Don't you see, as long as he makes the cut, he's still going to magically be Tiger from 2000 and shoot 63-63 on Sat/Sun to run away with it. ::)
If you're a Tiger fan, be thrilled that he's back playing and making major cuts again. If he stays healthy, he might have a chance to contend for another major. But he's nowhere near a top 10 player on tour and this constant "Tiger is lurking" talk is silly, especially when he's 6 back with multiple major winners like Koepka, Johnson, Thomas in front of him, not to mention guys like Fowler and then Kisner, who has been on fire.
Agreed, except DJ and JT only have one major each.
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Tiger coming out strong now. None of the guys ahead have experienced what it is like to compete against the Mozart of golf.
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Tiger coming out strong now. None of the guys ahead have experienced what it is like to compete against the Mozart of golf.
Tell that to Koepka, he’s only won back to back US Opens.
Tiger playing very good though, but many major winners within striking distance if Koepka falters abit.
Day, Scott, Thomas, Speith, Molinari....
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Tell that to Koepka, he’s only won back to back US Opens.
Tiger playing very good though, but many major winners within striking distance if Koepka falters abit.
Day, Scott, Thomas, Speith, Molinari....
I am surprised that so many are faltering this early in the championship at the appearance of Tiger high on the leaderboard. Spieth in particular seems intimidated by Tiger, and is collapsing. I really enjoy watching true greatness in action.
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I am surprised that so many are faltering this early in the championship at the appearance of Tiger high on the leaderboard. Spieth in particular seems intimidated by Tiger, and is collapsing. I really enjoy watching true greatness in action.
That's some true greatness as he is negative strokes off the tee.
You're an idiot.
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That's some true greatness as he is negative strokes off the tee.
You're an idiot.
Tiger tied for best round of the day so far. Throwing darts at the flag.
Woodland just collapsed.....
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Brooks Koepka is a bad man.
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That's some true greatness as he is negative strokes off the tee.
You're an idiot.
Cain will arrange a phone call from Kostas to Tiger to make sure Tiger has his head on stright tomorrow.
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Brooks Koepka is a bad man.
We went to the same high school, albeit it a couple years apart. Both of us even played varsity golf for the school.
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We went to the same high school, albeit it a couple years apart. Both of us even played varsity golf for the school.
Tiger just three jacked it from 20 feet. Must be intimidated by Koepka at top of leaderboard.
Koepka keeps driving it it fairway at 325 and hits 160 yd wedges, ridiculous.
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Tiger just three jacked it from 20 feet. Must be intimidated by Koepka at top of leaderboard.
Koepka keeps driving it it fairway at 325 and hits 160 yd wedges, ridiculous.
Our games are very similar. Well, in that that we both use golf clubs and golf balls.
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Tiger just three jacked it from 20 feet. Must be intimidated by Koepka at top of leaderboard.
Koepka keeps driving it it fairway at 325 and hits 160 yd wedges, ridiculous.
He got a bit aggressive going after the Eagle.
Koepka is a real thoroughbred athlete, the nephew of Dick Groat. His shots are a thing of beauty.
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If for some reason, Koepka loses a few shots, which I doubt he still has hole 17, the quality of players at 8 under is unreal and would be quite the Sunday.
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If for some reason, Koepka loses a few shots, which I doubt he still has hole 17, the quality of players at 8 under is unreal and would be quite the Sunday.
Koepka was smart to take unplayable. He could have injured wrist by hitting it out from that tree. Very good bogey save. Would be helpful for Koepka to get one more birdie on the way home.
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Koepka finishes at 12 under. He is Leading Tiger by 4. Koepka looks strong and seems under control and not likely to go backward much if it all. I think the others will fold one by one down the stretch as Tiger posts birdies. I still believe the Tiger Intimidation factor is out there. So I think it comes down to the two of them. Although there will be some great highlights from everyone among the leaders all day.
Scott is a cool character and could possibly do well, but I think that long putter he uses may not be reliable down the stretch. If he has a hot day putting though he could be there at the end.
Tiger positioned well to win, though he needs to shoot the best round of the day tomorrow to claim the Wanamaker trophy. My guess is the PGA will set the course up to encourage low scoring and if Tiger can shoot a 63 or 64 the trophy is his.
Koepka is a very interesting player who seems to show up among the leaders consistently in the tournaments that matter.
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Koepka finishes at 12 under. He is Leading Tiger by 4. Koepka looks strong and seems under control and not likely to go backward much if it all. I think the others will fold one by one down the stretch as Tiger posts birdies. I still believe the Tiger Intimidation factor is out there. So I think it comes down to the two of them. Although there will be some great highlights from everyone among the leaders all day.
Scott is a cool character and could possibly do well, but I think that long putter he uses may not be reliable down the stretch. If he has a hot day putting though he could be there at the end.
Tiger positioned well to win, though he needs to shoot the best round of the day tomorrow to claim the Wanamaker trophy. My guess is the PGA will set the course up to encourage low scoring and if Tiger can shoot a 63 or 64 the trophy is his.
Koepka is a very interesting player who seems to show up among the leaders consistently in the tournaments that matter.
So Tiger only needs to shoot 2-3 strokes better than his best round, which would also be 2 strokes better than the best round of the tournament, and have the back to back US Open champ who is playing like a monster, a Masters champ with top 5s in the other 3 majors (Scott), and two of the hotter young players without a major (Rickie and Rahm) all falter. Got it. Tiger made a bunch of birdies today and they all started playing after him and faltered as a result, oh wait, Rahm and Koepka matched him, Scott bested him, and Rickie played steady and kept himself in contention. But cause a middling pro like Woodland played poorly, and Spieth had one bad triple, EVERYONE IS PISSING THEMSELVES CAUSE OF ELDRICK.
But reading your past few posts, I see the performance level trolling, so keep it up. Its great prose. I cant wait to see everyone fall apart like Molinari did when Tiger bested him to hoist the Claret Jug at the Open Championship last month.
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Koepka finishes at 12 under. He is Leading Tiger by 4. Koepka looks strong and seems under control and not likely to go backward much if it all. I think the others will fold one by one down the stretch as Tiger posts birdies. I still believe the Tiger Intimidation factor is out there. So I think it comes down to the two of them. Although there will be some great highlights from everyone among the leaders all day.
Scott is a cool character and could possibly do well, but I think that long putter he uses may not be reliable down the stretch. If he has a hot day putting though he could be there at the end.
Tiger positioned well to win, though he needs to shoot the best round of the day tomorrow to claim the Wanamaker trophy. My guess is the PGA will set the course up to encourage low scoring and if Tiger can shoot a 63 or 64 the trophy is his.
Koepka is a very interesting player who seems to show up among the leaders consistently in the tournaments that matter.
Serious question for you..
If you believe in the tiger intimidation factor, why didn't it affect molinari the other week?
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I would be stunned if Koepka folded. If he does, I like Ricky. Trivia question: How many times has Tiger won coming from behind on the final day of a major?
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Serious question for you..
If you believe in the tiger intimidation factor, why didn't it affect molinari the other week?
If you look Tiger in his prime, the guys who didn't back down from him were the non top tier players who were seasoned and had under rated skills ,who peaked that week, like Trevor Immelman, YE Yang, Bob May, Rocco Mediate etc . Molinari fits in that mold, .
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I would be stunned if Koepka folded. If he does, I like Ricky. Trivia question: How many times has Tiger won coming from behind on the final day of a major?
https://sports.yahoo.com/tiger-woods-crowd-pga-championship-believing-003119696.html
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So? It is possible that Tiger does something he never did, even in his prime. And it would be an epic story. But, just like Carnoustie, that isn't where I would put my money.
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The Tiger intimidation that never won him a major without the 36 hole lead, got it.
Dense.
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Excellent article with Koepka. If he wins tomorrow he is headed for Golf Hall of Fame.
https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/08/12/yep-me-again-brooks-koepka-is-in-pole-position-at-yet-another-major-its-time-you-took-notice/
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Cmon fellas, enjoy the fact that Tiger at least has a fighting chance going into Sunday in back to back majors.
He's going to get one more major before it's all said and done. Most likely the British if I had to guess.
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Y'all need to stop feedin' the nonsensical Tiger Troll ... unless you get a kick out of him. Then have at it.
If Koepka wins this, I'm not sure how anybody could argue against him being the best golfer in the world. The same probably can be said about Thomas.
I knew Tiger wasn't a come-from-behind golfer, but I really didn't know that he had the 54-hole lead for ALL 14 of his major titles.
I'm going to enjoy what I hope is a fun final round ... until it really gets good. My wife got us tickets to see BlacKKKlansman at 6:50 (eastern). I'm psyched to see the movie and have heard great things about it ... but if the PGA is as competitive as the British was, I will hate to miss the last few holes!
I don't have any kind of service with a DVR. Oh well. I'll see the highlights.
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Live sports vs a movie available 4 or 5 times a day, seven days a week? No contest.
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Y'all need to stop feedin' the nonsensical Tiger Troll ... unless you get a kick out of him. Then have at it.
If Koepka wins this, I'm not sure how anybody could argue against him being the best golfer in the world. The same probably can be said about Thomas.
I knew Tiger wasn't a come-from-behind golfer, but I really didn't know that he had the 54-hole lead for ALL 14 of his major titles.
I'm going to enjoy what I hope is a fun final round ... until it really gets good. My wife got us tickets to see BlacKKKlansman at 6:50 (eastern). I'm psyched to see the movie and have heard great things about it ... but if the PGA is as competitive as the British was, I will hate to miss the last few holes!
I don't have any kind of service with a DVR. Oh well. I'll see the highlights.
Noted TNT troll Ernie Johnson says "if Tiger takes the lead at any time today he will win"
Trevor Immelman says if Koepka shoots under par he will win.
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Noted TNT troll Ernie Johnson says "if Tiger takes the lead at any time today he will win"
Trevor Immelman says if Koepka shoots under par he will win.
1. Immelman won the only Masters I ever attended, 2008. Probably the least-accomplished Masters champion ever, and a pretty boring tournament overall. But the weather was perfect and the course actually exceeded my very lofty expectations.
2. Unlike you, 9-9-9, Ernie Johnson is a real person.
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I don't see Tiger emerging as the tournament winner today (then again, I said something very similar in November 2016), but he definitely played his way onto the Ryder Cup team. Phil may very well have played his way off it. Koepka will be hard to beat but if he stumbles watch out for Thomas.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/44/11/6d/44116d4e39d361e77ba0035ddc7ef651--funny-golf-golf-humor.jpg)
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Let's. Effing. Go.
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We will be seeing this image later today...
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We will be seeing this image later today...
Keep missing fairways like I said yesterday, Brooks will eat.
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Keep missing fairways like I said yesterday, Brooks will eat.
Maybe your right he just blocked one way right on the fifth hole. Lets see if he can recover like days of yore....
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Keep missing fairways like I said yesterday, Brooks will eat.
And Brooks just missed two in a row as well. ::)
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Is this a rock concert or a golf tournament? Wonder what the TV ratings are gonna look like.
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Tiger has to figure out how to get in the fairway off the tee. No one is running away with it right now.
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Tiger at 10 under through 8 and there is a very short par 4 coming up at 11
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Tiger intimidation factor appears to be a non-factor as players are making birdies everywhere
Just missed another fairway with an iron this time
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Tiger intimidation factor appears to be a non-factor as players are making birdies everywhere
Just missed another fairway with an iron this time
He intimidates himself.
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GOAT
(Now hit a god damn fairway)
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Koepka is a machine.
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At this rate, I think gotta get to -16 to have a chance
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That putt hurt my soul.
Koepka is rolling but he's just soooo boring. Never shows any emotion.
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That putt hurt my soul.
Koepka is rolling but he's just soooo boring. Never shows any emotion.
The crowd at 18 is huge, going to a very exciting finish .
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Oh my....
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Oh my....
Those putts on 1 and 11 that were just centimeters off are looking pretty big right now.
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Winner is coming from the last group - Scott or Koepka.
Thomas falling apart. Tiger about to bogey to go 2 back.
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GOAT
(Now hit a god damn fairway)
As bad as Tiger has been off the tee (epic awful) he's having a remarkable round.
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Holy mother of god...
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To 1 ft from 164 out. Know big thang, aina?
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I think he needs eagle to have a chance.
Scott and Koepka are not going to fold
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Holy mother of god...
I think Tiger can post -15...
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Poor Woodland.
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To 1 ft from 164 out. Know big thang, aina?
9 iron - almost jarred it.
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Yeah butt, eye usually hit a wedge from 164, hey?
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He’s done.
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Splash
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I think he needs eagle to have a chance.
Scott and Koepka are not going to fold
Figurin' birdie op on #17 will help, hey?
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And LXXXII went ta a stupid movie write 'bout now, hey?
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Effing Koepka.
Oh well, was fun while it lasted. Guess it's time to actually start my Sunday.
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Effing Koepka.
Oh well, was fun while it lasted. Guess it's time to actually start my Sunday.
Koepka needed that birdie
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We will be seeing this image later today...
Only if you repost the picture.
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So many Tiger haters here.
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Always have been.
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Over - congrats to Koepka, props to Scott and Tiger.
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I love Tiger, he's a neighbor-ish. His mom lives a stone's throw from my neighborhood.
More commenting on the unrealistic expectations of people here.
Brooks is solid.
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Tiger absolutely needed the eagle to have a chance.
Koepka gonna get his 4th tour win. 3 majors. Impressive.
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Interesting interview with Justin Thomas, he noted this was the first time he experienced how the crowd gets behind Tiger in a major.
Koepka is a stone cold machine , who has no memory hole to hole. Very impressive.
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At some point, Koepka is going to say that he was motivated by being disrespected by the Tiger hype machine.
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So many Tiger haters here.
Tiger this year has been like the Tebow effect. Its cool that he's playing well, his comeback has been remarkable, but people are acting like he's still Thanos. Its fun to have him in contention and see the young studs go against him, but the constant hyperbole and unrealistic expectations surrounding him are tiring.
Koepka is a Terminator. His mistakes today have been missing birdie putts. And then he responded when he needed to. Pretty steely. Glad to see Adam Scott sticking around too. Always been a fan.
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So many Tiger haters here.
So many haters? Who? I was rooting for him like crazy, and I think most here were too. I saw zero Tiger hate on the board.
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Tiger ended up -14. Had a great day and fought hard. Tied for the lowest round of the day with a 64 which I thought he had to shoot to win. Not much more you could ask of him.
Koepka has the mental discipline to compete against the likes of Tiger and he can back it up with a a powerful athletic swing that is repeatable. It was great to see Adam Scott back in the hunt.
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So many Tiger haters here.
Not sure that is the case. More people rooting against him because of Herman Cain's ridiculous statements.
But quietly enjoying his performance.
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i have gained more respect for tiger in the last few years than i had of him his first twenty-some. the guy was always great at golf. he just wasn't as good at life. please understand that i do not mean this out of animosity or dislike. he, unfortunately needed some tough times to humble him. just look at his interviews, his approach-ability today. when the crowd erupted at his approach shot on #15 coming off the bogart, it forced water out of his eyes-that was the shot of the day!! both the golf shot and the look on his face
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Not sure that is the case. More people rooting against him because of Herman Cain's ridiculous statements.
But quietly enjoying his performance.
Yeah, I don't even think they were rooting against Tiger - just pointing out facts from Tiger's past history that made Herman's assertions and predictions illogical.
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Wonder what the TV ratings are gonna look like. Have to imagine they're going to be through the roof.
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Yeah, I don't even think they were rooting against Tiger - just pointing out facts from Tiger's past history that made Herman's assertions and predictions illogical.
Correct.
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I'm not much of a golf guy but these last two majors have been fun. If his game stays together, Tiger has a real shot at one next year. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can turn it on in the Ryder cup.
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Yeah, I don't even think they were rooting against Tiger - just pointing out facts from Tiger's past history that made Herman's assertions and predictions illogical.
Yeah, rooting against him is the wrong phrase.
I personally think Tiger is a terrible human being, but he's the GOAT, and it was exciting to seem him perform well and I was rooting for him to pull it off.
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And LXXXII went ta a stupid movie write 'bout now, hey?
1. I actually was able to stay in front of the TV just long enough to see Tiger blow up on No. 17 while Koepka was nailing his tee shot on No. 16 to birdie distance. Koepka already had a 2-stroke lead, so I was quite confident he was going to win when I got in the car.
Butt eye uhpreeshee8 ur cuhnsern.
2. BlacKKKlansman was not stupid, it was amazing. I highly recommend that all non-racists see it. Racists probably won't like it much, even though it did include whites calling blacks every epithet in the book and treating blacks like shyte, so they can get their jollies from that.
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At some point, Koepka is going to say that he was motivated by being disrespected by the Tiger hype machine.
Good article about Koepka on the general topic of him being disrespected.
https://www.golf.com/the-knockdown/2018/08/13/brooks-koepka-overpowers-bellerive-wins-pga-championship
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Good article about Koepka on the general topic of him being disrespected.
https://www.golf.com/the-knockdown/2018/08/13/brooks-koepka-overpowers-bellerive-wins-pga-championship
On an episode of Inside the PgaTour during his rookie year on the PGA Tour, when discussing cutting his teeth on unkempt courses in Kuala Lumpur, Kazakhstan, and other far-off lands....he confessed to developing an affinity for the taste of horse meat. This NORTHERN DANCER colt can never root for him until he swears off equine gastronomy. I'm no PETA fan, but this is sickening to me...right there with dog meat consumption. Horses are just too amazing, intelligent, and athletic, and give too much to human handlers... to ever end up on anyone's dinner plate.
That said, he is one hell of a horse out there. Physically imposing, but his mental game may surpass in-his-prime Tiger. Probably a decent guy too. Just can't root for him after seeing that feature.
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I'm not much of a golf guy but these last two majors have been fun. If his game stays together, Tiger has a real shot at one next year. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can turn it on in the Ryder cup.
I'm hoping he'll take it easy through the FedEx to be fresh for the Ryder Cup.
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GOAT
(Now hit a god damn fairway)
Wait ... Nicklaus wasn't even playing!
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Wait ... Nicklaus wasn't even playing!
+10 under par
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I'm not much of a golf guy but these last two majors have been fun. If his game stays together, Tiger has a real shot at one next year. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can turn it on in the Ryder cup.
I kind of wish the Masters were coming up in a month. Tiger has really found his game in the last couple of months and I just hope he can keep it together for another 8 months.....I think he's got 1 or 2 more majors in him if he stay in this form.
Didn't realize how much I missed the Tiger roar until hearing it on 10 yesterday.
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I mean I know WHY they are doing it, but I think the PGA might struggle in May.
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I kind of wish the Masters were coming up in a month. Tiger has really found his game in the last couple of months and I just hope he can keep it together for another 8 months.....I think he's got 1 or 2 more majors in him if he stay in this form.
Didn't realize how much I missed the Tiger roar until hearing it on 10 yesterday.
There has never been a more important figure to their sport than Tiger. Forget moving the needle, love him or hate him, Tiger Woods is the needle for golf. The only comparison I can think that comes close is Serena Williams for women's tennis.
While Koepka, Spieth, and Fowler are great golfers, they just don't draw you in like Tiger does and has for the past 20 years.
Edit: Just found the tv ratings 69% market share increase from last year.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/tiger-woods-pga-championship-2018-tv-ratings/
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There has never been a more important figure to their sport than Tiger. Forget moving the needle, love him or hate him, Tiger Woods is the needle for golf. The only comparison I can think that comes close is Serena Williams for women's tennis.
While Koepka, Spieth, and Fowler are great golfers, they just don't draw you in like Tiger does and has for the past 20 years.
Give proper citation to the tweet you jacked that from yesterday! Haha.
Arguing Tiger's impact to golf is foolish. But there is a difference. When Tiger burst on the scene, he was an absolute anomaly. An athletic beast who hit the ball a mile, played extremely aggressive, and was demonstrative. Besides the obvious racial differences, he was a stark contrast to the older conservative majority on tour, even the younger talents fit more of the traditional mold. He was easy to market to a younger demographic for all those reasons and he (and Nike) did so much to develop golf.
Because of that impact, the nature of players and talent on tour changed. All the young studs play like Tiger. Even at his prime, there are plenty of the top guys like Koepka, Rory, DJ, Justin Thomas, etc.. who could hang with him in driving distance. They all play aggressive and swashbuckling styles. They all are much more relatable to the average millennial than Davis Love or Tom Kite. Much of this is thanks to Tiger and his marketing impact, but this isn't 2000, the draw is different.
It boils down to do you like golf or do you like Tiger. Many people argue the Tiger impact and claim the former, but its really the latter. Not watching tournaments without Tiger or without Tiger in contention doesn't make you a golf fan. Saying its not exciting without Tiger, when there are guys playing like Tiger and they are super fun to watch in the same way, makes you a Tiger fan, not a golf fan. And thats perfectly fine, just be honest about what it is though. Its like people claiming to be big college basketball fans yet only watching their alma mater's games and then filling out a bracket.
Hell, people were going crazy about Tiger meanwhile Koepka in the lead was hitting MONSTER drives and shooting right at tight pins, didn't even come close to getting conservative.
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I would say that im a major fan with a heavy Tiger bias. Ah hell, probably just a Toger fan if we're being honest.
Koepka just doesn't do it for me. No emotion, no smiles, no anger, no fist bumps, hell, not even a slap of five. He's just so boring.
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Saw a few tweets yesterday that noted tiger's weekend and round 2-4 scores were some of the lowest he has ever had in a major in his career. At 42. And didn't win.
Next year will be fun.
Top 8 Ryder cup guys announced today. Zero chance tiger isn't included, right?
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The 8 are the current automatic qualifiers. Tiger is 11th in points. So he not officially in you can safely assume he will be a captains pick..
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There has never been a more important figure to their sport than Tiger.
There has never been a more important figure to other players in their sport than Tiger.
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The 8 are the current automatic qualifiers. Tiger is 11th in points. So he not officially in you can safely assume he will be a captains pick..
Very glad that Tiger both (i) is in the top 12 in points and (ii) is ending the season as hot as anyone in golf other than Koepka. There really isn't a counterargument to putting him on the team, and I'm glad we don't have to deal with a month of debate about whether Tiger should have been a captain's pick after missing the cut at the PGA and finishing 16th in the points.
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Saw a few tweets yesterday that noted tiger's weekend and round 2-4 scores were some of the lowest he has ever had in a major in his career. At 42. And didn't win.
Next year will be fun.
Top 8 Ryder cup guys announced today. Zero chance tiger isn't included, right?
Tiger and Phil are locks for the Ryder. We'll see how they play down the stretch, but I think Kuch is a near lock being Kuch. Bryson, Kis and Xander fighting for the last spot. Tiger loves Bryson, and they play the same ball. I think that gives him the early nod. Kis has made a nice resume, but keeps pooping himself on the weekend, not a great look for the Ryder Cup team. I really like Xander too, but I think Bryson makes it.
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Tiger and Phil are locks for the Ryder. We'll see how they play down the stretch, but I think Kuch is a near lock being Kuch. Bryson, Kis and Xander fighting for the last spot. Tiger loves Bryson, and they play the same ball. I think that gives him the early nod. Kis has made a nice resume, but keeps pooping himself on the weekend, not a great look for the Ryder Cup team. I really like Xander too, but I think Bryson makes it.
I believe Tony Finau will also be in the discussion mix.
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Tiger and Phil are locks. Pick two of the following..... Finau, Xander, Bryson, Kuchar, Zach Johnson, Kisner.
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I believe Tony Finau will also be in the discussion mix.
Yep, forgot Finau.
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I'll repeat what I said after the British:
I fully expect to Tiger to win another major, and maybe more.
If Mickelson can win one at 43, certainly Tiger can.
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Don't let these guys get you down Herman.
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At the beginning of the year, I did not think that Tiger would win another major. My thinking on it has evolved. Assuming he stays healthy, I think he wins another. I don't think the intimidation factor is still there, however. All of the young guys said how cool it was to hear the Tiger roars. Koepka said that the roars meant he had to hit another good shot.
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At the beginning of the year, I did not think that Tiger would win another major. My thinking on it has evolved. Assuming he stays healthy, I think he wins another. I don't think the intimidation factor is still there, however. All of the young guys said how cool it was to hear the Tiger roars. Koepka said that the roars meant he had to hit another good shot.
Was watching something on the 2008 US open last night. Thought Rocco Mediate had a great mindset.
Essentially Said something along the lines of Tiger was going to get his, if you're expecting that run to happen the entire time it's much easier to manage.
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There simply are more great players on the tour today, guys who can do everything Tiger can -- and many of those things better more consistently.
When Tiger was in his heyday -- 2000-2007 -- he was a freak. He drove it longer than just about anybody, he was better with his irons than just about anybody, he was the best clutch putter on tour, he was physically stronger than anybody, he had the best work ethic, etc.
I remember Jack being asked if he thought Tiger would break his record; he laughed and said something like: "Well, he drives it better than anybody, hits his approaches closer to the pin than anybody, putts better than anybody, and outworks everybody. I'd be stunned if he didn't blow past my record."
These days, there are dozens of great, young golfers with complete games who can out-drive him. Many of those guys have won at least one major -- they have the experience of closing out a championship tournament against top competition. They are not intimidated by him at all. And none of them have had back fusions or the other serious injuries Tiger has had. When they talk about Tiger, they do so with reverence, but they also say stuff like, "Yeah, he was my favorite when I was 10." Ouch.
I love watching Tiger play and the tour is better when he's out there. I hope he wins another major or three, and I really do think it can happen. But the landscape is different. He'll never again be as good as he was, and those around him are much better.
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There simply are more great players on the tour today, guys who can do everything Tiger can -- and many of those things better more consistently.
When Tiger was in his heyday -- 2000-2007 -- he was a freak. He drove it longer than just about anybody, he was better with his irons than just about anybody, he was the best clutch putter on tour, he was physically stronger than anybody, he had the best work ethic, etc.
I remember Jack being asked if he thought Tiger would break his record; he laughed and said something like: "Well, he drives it better than anybody, hits his approaches closer to the pin than anybody, putts better than anybody, and outworks everybody. I'd be stunned if he didn't blow past my record."
These days, there are dozens of great, young golfers with complete games who can out-drive him. Many of those guys have won at least one major -- they have the experience of closing out a championship tournament against top competition. They are not intimidated by him at all. And none of them have had back fusions or the other serious injuries Tiger has had. When they talk about Tiger, they do so with reverence, but they also say stuff like, "Yeah, he was my favorite when I was 10." Ouch.
I love watching Tiger play and the tour is better when he's out there. I hope he wins another major or three, and I really do think it can happen. But the landscape is different. He'll never again be as good as he was, and those around him are much better.
I think this is right, put another way because of young Tiger, old Tiger has a lot more competition right now. Regardless of his health issues I think this was all inevitable. Players like Brooks Koepka and Dustin Johnson, etc are playing golf because Tiger showed that there was an inefficiency in the sport around athletic, big hitters that can muscle their way around a course and be really successful. If you teleport old Tiger(at least from last 2 majors) to 2003 and remove new Tiger, I think he is still pretty dominant.
Bottom line, Tiger seems to be 80-90% of his former self, but since he's been gone from his peak that quality of the tour players has gone up significantly. Or maybe this is all recency bias.
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I have been an avid golfer and fan of golf my entire life and have always had one guy I pulled for to get the W. Over the years I have pulled for Jack, Norman and Tiger and have loved every minute of having a guy to root for. That said, while I watch golf every chance I get, when those three guys were/are in the hunt, it makes for a special Sunday of TV.
Tiger made golf cool. I remember being a pudgy kid from age 8-16 dressed in golf clothes all summer and getting some lip service. Luckily I was good enough of a player, and played at a great course every day, that I really could not have cared less. Now I am a pudgy old guy that can play a lick but am getting ready to hit the links today to turn back the clock on my game. I am feeling a low number today!!!
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There simply are more great players on the tour today, guys who can do everything Tiger can -- and many of those things better more consistently.
When Tiger was in his heyday -- 2000-2007 -- he was a freak. He drove it longer than just about anybody, he was better with his irons than just about anybody, he was the best clutch putter on tour, he was physically stronger than anybody, he had the best work ethic, etc.
I remember Jack being asked if he thought Tiger would break his record; he laughed and said something like: "Well, he drives it better than anybody, hits his approaches closer to the pin than anybody, putts better than anybody, and outworks everybody. I'd be stunned if he didn't blow past my record."
These days, there are dozens of great, young golfers with complete games who can out-drive him. Many of those guys have won at least one major -- they have the experience of closing out a championship tournament against top competition. They are not intimidated by him at all. And none of them have had back fusions or the other serious injuries Tiger has had. When they talk about Tiger, they do so with reverence, but they also say stuff like, "Yeah, he was my favorite when I was 10." Ouch.
I love watching Tiger play and the tour is better when he's out there. I hope he wins another major or three, and I really do think it can happen. But the landscape is different. He'll never again be as good as he was, and those around him are much better.
Very well said.
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Bottom line, Tiger seems to be 80-90% of his former self, but since he's been gone from his peak that quality of the tour players has gone up significantly. Or maybe this is all recency bias.
Yes to your first sentence, no to your second.
It's not recency bias at all. It's fact, and it's easy to see that it's fact.
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There simply are more great players on the tour today, guys who can do everything Tiger can -- and many of those things better more consistently.
When Tiger was in his heyday -- 2000-2007 -- he was a freak. He drove it longer than just about anybody, he was better with his irons than just about anybody, he was the best clutch putter on tour, he was physically stronger than anybody, he had the best work ethic, etc.
I remember Jack being asked if he thought Tiger would break his record; he laughed and said something like: "Well, he drives it better than anybody, hits his approaches closer to the pin than anybody, putts better than anybody, and outworks everybody. I'd be stunned if he didn't blow past my record."
These days, there are dozens of great, young golfers with complete games who can out-drive him. Many of those guys have won at least one major -- they have the experience of closing out a championship tournament against top competition. They are not intimidated by him at all. And none of them have had back fusions or the other serious injuries Tiger has had. When they talk about Tiger, they do so with reverence, but they also say stuff like, "Yeah, he was my favorite when I was 10." Ouch.
I love watching Tiger play and the tour is better when he's out there. I hope he wins another major or three, and I really do think it can happen. But the landscape is different. He'll never again be as good as he was, and those around him are much better.
Tiger is still intimidating. Koepka Has a cold stone set of nerves and was able to hold him off. The rest weren’t able to and will not be able to in future majors if he is healthy. Winning at the highest level in Golf is about controlling emotions and no one can do that like Tiger.
The only problem Tiger has right now is the swing he created to save his back depends on perfect timing of hands and arms as he doesn’t really torque the body as much. That precision is hard to consistent repeat ,As a result he is not very accurate with the driver . When he gets it in the fairway his irons and short game are still very elite.
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Tiger is still intimidating.
This is impossible for you to prove.
On the other hand, the evidence strongly suggests the opposite is true. His playing partner in the British Open -- who definitely is not as imposing or accomplished as Koepka -- stared down Tiger, kept his composure, and beat him down the stretch, shot after shot after shot.
And now Koepka, playing two groups behind Tiger, actually being psyched UP (as opposed to psyched out) by the cheers he was hearing. The Tiger Factor motivated him.
So that's two majors Tiger contended in, and two times the winner wasn't the least bit intimidated.
Not sure why it's important to you to "prove" this ... but do let us know when you can.
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This is impossible for you to prove.
On the other hand, the evidence strongly suggests the opposite is true. His playing partner in the British Open -- who definitely is not as imposing or accomplished as Koepka -- stared down Tiger, kept his composure, and beat him down the stretch, shot after shot after shot.
And now Koepka, playing two groups behind Tiger, actually being psyched UP (as opposed to psyched out) by the cheers he was hearing. The Tiger Factor motivated him.
So that's two majors Tiger contended in, and two times the winner wasn't the least bit intimidated.
Not sure why it's important to you to "prove" this ... but do let us know when you can.
Your the only person using the word Prove. I am just stating my opinion. You have a different one.
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Your the only person using the word Prove. I am just stating my opinion. You have a different one.
You seemed to state it as a fact, and you've stated it countless times before.
Glad it's just your opinion, because the only evidence we have on the topic would suggest the exact opposite is true.
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This is impossible for you to prove.
It is his opinion. You have used this line of discussion with several of us lately. Are we going to need to footnote every remark made moving forward with each fact, or indicate it is an opinion. Let's all have some fun here and tone it down a notch. Don't worry, be happy.
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It is his opinion. Let's all have some fun here and tone it down a notch. Don't worry, be happy.
Not Chico’s makes a good point.
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Don't understand y wee kant all bee friends, aina?
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Sure, y'all. Say whatever you want, present it as fact, and go unchallenged.
I'm all aboard.
On a side note, I am the smartest person in America. All hail me!
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Sure, y'all. Say whatever you want, present it as fact, and go unchallenged.
I'm all aboard.
On a side note, I am the smartest person in America. All hail me!
I, for one, welcome my new overlord
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Sure, y'all. Say whatever you want, present it as fact, and go unchallenged.
I'm all aboard.
On a side note, I am the smartest person in America. All hail me!
The fact that you participate in this forum means it is impossible for you to be the smartest person in America.
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Sure, y'all. Say whatever you want, present it as fact, and go unchallenged.
I'm all aboard.
On a side note, I am the smartest person in America. All hail me!
The butthurt over being called out on a demonstrably wrongheaded "opinion" is coming exclusively from the "facts don't care about your feelings" / "millennials are sensitive snowflakes" / "marketplace of ideas" crowd, I love it!
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The butthurt over being called out on a demonstrably wrongheaded "opinion" is coming exclusively from the "facts don't care about your feelings" / "millennials are sensitive snowflakes" / "marketplace of ideas" crowd, I love it!
Yep, EFR, that is quite humorous.
But hey, facts no longer matter in our democratic republic, so why should they matter on Scoop?
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Sure, y'all. Say whatever you want, present it as fact, and go unchallenged.
I'm all aboard.
On a side note, I am the smartest person in America. All hail me!
I know that there is a lot of hostility for certain posters on this board -- and maybe even for good reason -- but you really need to lighten up.
We're talking about sports. Herman says "Tiger is still intimidating." Your response, "This is impossible for you to prove." Well, no sh*t. It's obviously an opinion. A sports opinion, no less. "You seem state it like it's a fact, and you've stated it countless times before." Well, no sh*t. That's what people tend to do with opinions. Particularly sports opinions.
If Mickelson can win one at 43, certainly Tiger can.
You seem to state that like its a fact. But I recognize that it's your opinion, so I won't ask you to prove it.
Besides, you're right. Tiger will win another major. Just don't ask me for proof...yet.
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Alright, here we go, aina?
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If we wanted to take a more broad approach to this line of discussion...
Should opinions be called out if they're demonstrably wrong? Is that acceptable in today's society? If it is acceptable, where is the line? If I can't call out someone's sports opinion, what about someone's opinion that the Earth is flat. Or that vaccines are bad. Etc. Etc.
Facts matter, in my opinion
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If we wanted to take a more broad approach to this line of discussion...
Should opinions be called out if they're demonstrably wrong? Is that acceptable in today's society? If it is acceptable, where is the line? If I can't call out someone's sports opinion, what about someone's opinion that the Earth is flat. Or that vaccines are bad. Etc. Etc.
Facts matter, in my opinion
I have no problem with people calling out opinions that are demonstrably wrong. Hell, if I did, I'd have stopped visiting this message board (and pretty much all others) a long time ago. If someone is wrong, have at it.
My comment was more focused on the "you voiced your opinion as if it was a fact" thing, like that's unusual. Everyone does that. I do. MU82 does. We all do. Several posters offered ample evidence that the opinion that Tiger was intimidating people was demonstrably wrong. A stupid opinion was voiced, and it was summarily shot down. All is right with the world. So, what's the point whining that the opinion was "stated like it was a fact?"
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I have no problem with people calling out opinions that are demonstrably wrong. Hell, if I did, I'd have stopped visiting this message board (and pretty much all others) a long time ago. If someone is wrong, have at it.
My comment was more focused on the "you voiced your opinion as if it was a fact" thing, like that's unusual. Everyone does that. I do. MU82 does. We all do. Several posters offered ample evidence that the opinion that Tiger was intimidating people was demonstrably wrong. A stupid opinion was voiced, and it was summarily shot down. All is right with the world. So, what's the point whining that the opinion was "stated like it was a fact?"
I never speak in opinions, only facts.
That's how the smartest person in America rolls.
Seriously though, if I indeed got too "heavy" here, I'll try to lighten up, Francis.
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The fact that you participate in this forum means it is impossible for you to be the smartest person in America.
Winner
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I know that there is a lot of hostility for certain posters on this board -- and maybe even for good reason -- but you really need to lighten up.
We're talking about sports. Herman says "Tiger is still intimidating." Your response, "This is impossible for you to prove." Well, no sh*t. It's obviously an opinion. A sports opinion, no less. "You seem state it like it's a fact, and you've stated it countless times before." Well, no sh*t. That's what people tend to do with opinions. Particularly sports opinions.
You seem to state that like its a fact. But I recognize that it's your opinion, so I won't ask you to prove it.
Besides, you're right. Tiger will win another major. Just don't ask me for proof...yet.
Winner winner (only my opinion, of course)
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I never speak in opinions, only facts.
That's how the smartest person in America rolls.
Seriously though, if I indeed got too "heavy" here, I'll try to lighten up, Francis.
Don’t call me Francis. You call me Francis again, I’ll kill you.
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It’s a fact that some opinions are more worthwhile than others. It’s a matter of opinion which ones those are.
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It’s a fact that some opinions are more worthwhile than others. It’s a matter of opinion which ones those are.
Fact!