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Now you are the one creating a strawman argument. Nobody has argued that we should fire him if the payout was lower. Posters, like from WarriorDad, argued we can't replace him because we can't afford to. He's ProJo and making a case to keep him. I am only pointing out the falicy of that position.
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I said nothing of the kind. In fact, I said MU could pay his buyout, but does it make sense? Optically and based on performance? No. You may be able to purchase a $100k car today, but would it be wise considering other priorities? This is why I asked who would pay the buyout. Not because MU cannot, but because MU has more important needs to spend the money on.
Just don't sign it Iceman.
I honestly don't think Chicos or anyone else has made the argument that you claim they are making
You should go into politics. You can twist ideas into a pretzel. You may or may not like Wojo but he doesn't have his job because of COVID and the economy. He's our coach because MU believes in him.
"This is why I asked who would pay the buyout. Not because MU cannot, but because MU has more important needs to spend the money on."I don't know how you can read this any other way. Why would Warrior Dad make this claim if not to assert that Wojo is our coach because MU can't afford the payout of his contract? MU needs boosters to afford firing him? MU would forgo other needs to afford letting Wojo go? That is BS. I'll let it go, knowing MU is comfortably capable of firing Wojo when or if needed.
I think that pretty clearly states that MU could afford to fire him but has more pressing needs than spending millions on firing an average performing basketball coach. If he was worse, there might be a more pressing need. It's one reason among many reasons why Wojo wasn't fired last season.I also think you overestimate the university's financial situation post covid. $6 million+ is not chump change. I'm not saying it will keep MU from making a move if they need to, but acting like it is a drop in the bucket is not correct. I anticipate that we will see Wojo get extended next season regardless of the results. But if the results are bad, the new contract will have some university friendly terms for ending the contract early.
Okay. Fair enough. A very sad situation for MU and Wojo (except for his bank account). I'd love to be there when someone says to Wojo, "You're a nice coach until we can afford better". Wojo will be extended regardless of results? 5 wins or less and he gets extended?
I can think of several games that Al admitted his temper likely cost us key games. He was an Irish hot head, and a brilliant one at that. MU was not only looking at UCLA in the 70's. On wins and losses, yes, but we were an independent which benefited us greatly. I would put us at 4th or 5th overall in the decade. Still amazing. Is Wojo even Mike Deane? You want me to take you seriously and you respond with that rhetorical question?
4th or 5th in the 70s? Behind what team not named UCLA?We finished in the top 10 (AP poll, which included postseason) 9 times. The only time we finished outside the top 10 we checked in at #11. One National Championship, one runner up.No other school finished in the top 10 more than 5 times. No team not named UCLA won more than one title.So which 2 or 3 programs other than the Bruins were better than us in the 70s? Based on performance, none were all that close.
Yes, the pandemic has caused a sad situation for thousands of people and pretty much every university. Some have already closed as a result. Many more will follow suit over the next 10-20 years.I think the conversation is more like "Results haven't been what we expect. We still believe you can get us there but the only way we can offer an extension is under these terms. If next year's results are better like we expect they will be, we will be able to offer a more substantial extension."Yes, if Wojo turns in the worst season in modern high major history, then yes, he will be fired. I don't know where the cutoff between "fire Wojo" and "renegotiate Wojo's contract" is, but I'd guess it's lower than most scoopers would expect.
None were all that close? Kentucky won a championship and was runner up one year. Indiana was also really good in the 70s with multiple finals fours and an undefeated championship.
To everyone it might not be so clear cut. This system ranked us three behind UNChttp://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
Al was a coaching legend and the best MU will ever have. He was part of my youth and permanently emblazoned in my memories. He made mistakes, too. He admitted them. Wojo made mistakes. He admitted them. Al was a head coach for 7 years before coming to MU. I don't care how small a school it is, that is on the job training. Wojo has done his 6 years as head coach all at MU. I wish he had 5 to 7 years before coming to MU, but he didn't. As a result we get the good with the bad.I can think of several games that Al admitted his temper likely cost us key games. He was an Irish hot head, and a brilliant one at that. MU was not only looking at UCLA in the 70's. On wins and losses, yes, but we were an independent which benefited us greatly. I would put us at 4th or 5th overall in the decade. Still amazing. Is Wojo even Mike Deane? You want me to take you seriously and you respond with that rhetorical question?
Galway,I don’t think Sagerin (or Pomeroy) were around in the 70s. I was just using final (after the tournament) AP rankings and NCAA tournament success as my metric. I respect how they handle data but I disagree.N Carolina finished in the top 10 in the 70s 5 times (to our 9). They finished outside the top 20 once. We never did. Both made the FF twice. We won one title, they won none.
I argued this being incorrect for days on HolylandofHoops A few years back. I'm only trying to let it be known that it's not a consensus opinion and we might not be the clear cut Number 2 to everyone out there like UCLA is the clear cut number 1.
One of Al's biggest strength was his personality. One of Wojo's biggest weakness is his personality. Al was exciting and maybe even charismatic. Wojo is solid and boring. Can you imagine them going head to head for the same recruit. Saying Al would get the recruit 9 out of 10 times would probably be an understatement.
I agree, but they are also product of their time. Al, in today's politically correct world, would be skewered by too many people. Wojo is a clean-cut, plays the media game, and politically correct. He was raised in that world. Al came from a world where we used to be blunt and told people how we felt. You do that today and someone cries. I don't know your age, but how people talk to each other today compared to the '70s or '60s could not be more night and day. We were blunt and honest. Today we go out of our way not to be blunt or honest because it might hurt someone's feelings. Think about the coaches of the era then compared to coaches now. A product of the societal norms we were raised in.