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Title: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2023, 08:06:26 PM
Things are raw right now but here we are. If every significant contributor comes back we’re preseason top 5-10. Shaka matters when it comes to that but will it be enough?

Not trying to stir the pot - it’s a concern.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2023, 08:17:25 PM
Nobody has an answer.   Nothing to do but wait and see.


And contribute to the fund, if you are so inclined.   
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Johnny B on March 19, 2023, 08:22:42 PM
How much are they getting paid? What happens if Kentucky offers kolek 500k? Can we match
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 19, 2023, 08:26:03 PM
I have no doubt MU will field a better team next year, hopefully with most of the core guys back. Would not be surprised if they had one or two new guys currently not on the projected roster.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on March 19, 2023, 08:39:27 PM
I have no doubt MU will field a better team next year, hopefully with most of the core guys back. Would not be surprised if they had one or two new guys currently not on the projected roster.

Who do you think is leaving?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: BCHoopster on March 19, 2023, 08:40:54 PM
How much are they getting paid? What happens if Kentucky offers kolek 500k? Can we match
.m

He would have to sit out a year, do not see this happening
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 19, 2023, 08:42:51 PM
golden

I have no idea and time will tell. I know who I hope is back, but not going to speculate two hours after a hard loss.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: muwarrior97 on March 19, 2023, 09:34:18 PM
Things are raw right now but here we are. Everyone comes back we’re preseason top 5-10. Shaka matters when it comes to that but will it be enough?

Not trying to stir the pot - it’s a concern.

They are over-signed by one so for sure somebody is not coming back OR not coming to MKE :(
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 09:35:50 PM
Things are raw right now but here we are. Everyone comes back we’re preseason top 5-10. Shaka matters when it comes to that but will it be enough?

Not trying to stir the pot - it’s a concern.
Everyone isnt coming back.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 09:37:04 PM
Everyone isnt coming back.
Why not? Because you’re a pretentious know-it-all? These kids have a chance to be the foundation of something special, I don’t think that’s lost on them.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2023, 09:38:55 PM
Over signed.   Ergo, somebody is leaving.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: MUfan12 on March 19, 2023, 09:39:11 PM
Why not? Because you’re a pretentious know-it-all? These kids have a chance to be the foundation of something special, I don’t think that’s lost on them.

Maybe it's because they're oversigned by 1?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jables1604 on March 19, 2023, 09:39:30 PM
Why not? Because you’re a pretentious know-it-all? These kids have a chance to be the foundation of something special, I don’t think that’s lost on them.
Now there’s the 5 Dollar Bitcher we’re used to…
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2023, 09:40:01 PM
They are over-signed by one so for sure somebody is not coming back OR not coming to MKE :(

Everyone isnt coming back.

No sh*t. This isn’t about us being oversigned.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jables1604 on March 19, 2023, 09:40:05 PM
Now there’s the 5 Dollar Bitcher we’re used to…
* Pitcher. Sorry autocorrect.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 09:41:13 PM
Maybe it's because they're oversigned by 1?
Obviously the scholarship question will need to get answered but that wasn’t the spirit of the original point.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 19, 2023, 09:42:08 PM
Final Four

Who is not coming back? Who is your top guys to keep?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: panda on March 19, 2023, 09:42:24 PM
Somebody will give up their scholarship and make it back in an NIL deal.

Lol
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Johnny B on March 19, 2023, 09:43:44 PM
* Pitcher. Sorry autocorrect.
Old joke not impressed
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GB Warrior on March 19, 2023, 09:44:34 PM
Not to mention Smart already adopted Ellis
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 09:44:40 PM
Now there’s the 5 Dollar Bitcher we’re used to…
My bitching got us a new coach. You’re welcome?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 09:45:24 PM
Why not? Because you’re a pretentious know-it-all? These kids have a chance to be the foundation of something special, I don’t think that’s lost on them.
Why not? Because the ncaa doesn’t allow 14 players on a 13 scholly team.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Johnny B on March 19, 2023, 09:46:39 PM
My bitching got us a new coach. You’re welcome?
Yeah the people making these decisions came on here saw you were mad and decided to get a new coach right
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 09:49:59 PM
Final Four

Who is not coming back? Who is your top guys to keep?
I believe $ will come after Kam….who? Where? No idea.
How long can you keep Keeyan on scholarship?
As tower has said…..does an undersized Sean see a better fit at a mid major?
Also has Tower has said…..no NIL $ for international players. Could Ben take his talents overseas?
I believe Shaka knew at the start of this season that someone was leaving and recruited accordingly.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on March 19, 2023, 09:52:16 PM
I know we’re over signed by one…

 is the general consensus that we’ll lose another important member of this years team due to NIL, but we just don’t know who its going to be/what school will throw out a bunch of cash?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 09:53:04 PM
Yeah the people making these decisions came on here saw you were mad and decided to get a new coach right
Huff as much copium as it takes. I was as right as anyone could possibly be, early too. And bitching from people like me forced the admin’s hand.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on March 19, 2023, 09:53:54 PM
I know we’re over signed by one…

 is the general consensus that we’ll lose another important member of this years team due to NIL, but we just don’t know who its going to be/what school will throw out a bunch of cash?

See question above^
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 19, 2023, 09:54:38 PM
Final Four

Of the main guys that could transfer, Chase Ross and Ben Gold would be two guys that I would fight for if I was the coach.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: panda on March 19, 2023, 09:55:02 PM
Huff as much copium as it takes. I was as right as anyone could possibly be, early too. And bitching from people like me forced the admin’s hand.

Tyfys - As the only person ever on official record to complain about Wojo’s performance. I can’t imagine where we’d be without your hard work.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 09:56:09 PM
Tyfys - As the only person ever on official record to complain about Wojo’s performance. I can’t imagine where we’d be without your hard work.
Only? Probably not.
(One of the) first? Absolutely
Loudest? Absolutely
Most logically grounded? Absolutely

Go Marquette! It’s a new era.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: panda on March 19, 2023, 09:58:34 PM
Final Four

Of the main guys that could transfer, Chase Ross and Ben Gold would be two guys that I would fight for if I was the coach.

Throwing roster constraints out the window, I’d love for a true back up center for next year. We didn’t get to see much meaningful minutes with Oso and Gold playing together because of lack of depth up front. The two are completely different players and BG played out of position backing up Oso. Ben should be a key player next year given his size coupled with unique skill set. The only thing that held him back later in the season was the need to be the safety valve for oso if there were foul issues.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 09:59:28 PM
No sh*t. This isn’t about us being oversigned.
Yes, it is. OP said everyone is coming back….i said no they aren’t….this is exactly about us being oversigned.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2023, 10:01:41 PM
Yes, it is. OP said everyone is coming back….i said no they aren’t….this is exactly about us being oversigned.

I’m the OP and I said IF everyone comes back.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2023, 10:02:18 PM
Final Four

Of the main guys that could transfer, Chase Ross and Ben Gold would be two guys that I would fight for if I was the coach.

I’m a little worried that we underused Gold this year.  We had a deep roster and it wasn’t a season for developing guys in games, but he’d play one sequence per half at best, and sometimes not at all in the second half if the first stint didn’t go well.  A guy with that much potential might look elsewhere.  I hope not, though.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 10:02:45 PM
Final Four

Of the main guys that could transfer, Chase Ross and Ben Gold would be two guys that I would fight for if I was the coach.
Can’t argue with that. Both showed flashes of what’s to come….hopefully for us.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Markusquette on March 19, 2023, 10:03:37 PM
I have no doubt MU will field a better team next year, hopefully with most of the core guys back. Would not be surprised if they had one or two new guys currently not on the projected roster.

I like your optimism, but I think it will be hard to match this year record-wise even with the returning squad. It was a special year and a lot of close wins. I'd be fine with no BE title or BET trophy if the team performs better later in March.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 10:06:24 PM
I like your optimism, but I think it will be hard to match this year record-wise even with the returning squad. It was a special year and a lot of close wins. I'd be fine with no BE title or BET trophy if the team performs better later in March.
This fact pattern can be true and the team can still be better next year
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 10:06:29 PM
Things are raw right now but here we are. Everyone comes back we’re preseason top 5-10. Shaka matters when it comes to that but will it be enough?

Not trying to stir the pot - it’s a concern.
No you didn’t……..and..that isn’t a possibility. Its not that hard.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2023, 10:07:38 PM
No you didn’t……..and..that isn’t a possibility. Its not that hard.

What are you taking about, Biff.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 19, 2023, 10:08:10 PM
How much are they getting paid? What happens if Kentucky offers kolek 500k? Can we match

Kolek really gonna sit out a year?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 10:20:09 PM
What are you taking about, Biff.
EVERYONE IS NOT COMING BACK.
Per the NCAA, they can’t.
Why can’t you understand that?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: panda on March 19, 2023, 10:21:44 PM
EVERYONE IS NOT COMING BACK.
Per the NCAA, they can’t.
Why can’t you understand that?

But did you consider Tyler giving back his scholarship, becoming a walk on and finding massive NIL deals ?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 19, 2023, 10:23:01 PM
EVERYONE IS NOT COMING BACK.
Per the NCAA, they can’t.
Why can’t you understand that?

I’m sorry that I didn’t say everyone that matters, genius. Should have been obvious.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 19, 2023, 10:29:21 PM
I’m sorry that I didn’t say everyone that matters, genius. Should have been obvious.
Haha—-I read everyone to mean everyone….I should have read what you were thinking instead of what you wrote.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: DoctorV on March 19, 2023, 10:33:00 PM
Love em all, they gave us the best season in a long time and a double title.

It doesn’t matter though, next man up.

That includes Kam and TyKo.

What Coach Shaka did with those players, or better yet what those players accomplished under coach Smart, makes me confident that it can work with whoever wants to play for Marquette.

I’d hope those guys would want to still play for him after all he’s done for their lives and careers. I’m confident they all will.

If not, reinforcements are coming.

Problem is, Coach Shaka himself needs some help in March, and it’ll be the players that carry him back over the hump to another Final Four.
I hope TyKo, Kam, Oso, and Omax are those players leading the way
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: PointWarrior on March 19, 2023, 10:33:40 PM
Yeah the people making these decisions came on here saw you were mad and decided to get a new coach right


I would like to personally thank 5Dollar for being the reason we now have Shaka as a coach...
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: MUDPT on March 19, 2023, 10:40:11 PM
For what it’s worth, I haven’t seen MU mentioned with anyone in the portal, yet. I don’t think the coaching staff is thinking they will have lots of space this off season. ND doesn’t have a coach and is contacting players.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 5DollarPitcher on March 19, 2023, 10:41:10 PM

I would like to personally thank 5Dollar for being the reason we now have Shaka as a coach...
You’re welcome. It’s funny how the counterargument has slowly transformed from:

“Wojo is fine you are a nutcase”
to
“We’re building something, gotta take our lumps, the success will come”
to
“Well how could you even fire him? Who would you even replace him with? Do you want to be Georgetown!?”
to
“The fanbase had nothing to do with the Wojo firing and immediate revitalization of the program”

It’s incredible how wrong and in denial you people can continue to be and still come back with the same energy. Bravo!
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: PointWarrior on March 19, 2023, 10:57:20 PM
You’re welcome. It’s funny how the counterargument has slowly transformed from:

“Wojo is fine you are a nutcase”
to
“We’re building something, gotta take our lumps, the success will come”
to
“Well how could you even fire him? Who would you even replace him with? Do you want to be Georgetown!?”
to
“The fanbase had nothing to do with the Wojo firing and immediate revitalization of the program”

It’s incredible how wrong and in denial you people can continue to be and still come back with the same energy. Bravo!


Wrong, I wanted Wojo fired after "the letter"
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: BallBoy on March 20, 2023, 01:36:33 AM
I don’t think NIL will be as impactful as most people think. Most players aren’t going to dramatically alter a team on their own unless they are a lottery pick. That money far outweighs NIL money so I don’t see big time players moving from one team to another. That then leaves the next level down which are 2nd round to undrafted. Those folks might be the main targets for NIL but they would need to be offered significantly more than what they are currently getting.  They have to be starter caliber because bench players on the new team aren’t going to get a payday. I think we will see a handful of players offered big money other than that I think players will decide they want to leave and get relatively what they got.

Pack, who set the bar, decided to transfer and then worked the system for a good deal. I think this will normalize when coaches realize they don’t want to rerecuit through pay days their own players.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Boston Warrior on March 20, 2023, 02:25:52 AM
The seventh grade coaches that are scoopers that know ball have no idea on the transfer portal. Shaka knows who is leaving, it is not wait and see. He is well prepared and have a plan, we will lose a couple of guys and the freshman have better talent than the year before. The next class coming in is going to have more talent. Shaka wont buy portal players but we will keep most of the talent that we have and with nil money.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: WarriorFan on March 20, 2023, 03:28:44 AM
Here's a theory on Ben. 
a) The Tall Blacks (yes, that's what the NZ National team is called) play in the world cup this summer/autumn and Ben is not on the team.  Not much for him in that case in NZ.
b) The NBL season is basically the same as the school year (starts in August) and he'd make $25-50k there.  (minimum 17k as an U25) He could play in some of the summer pro leagues in Australia, but the competition level is very low and the money is enough to buy dinner and a few beers.
c) he's NIL restricted due to stupid NCAA rules
d) He's good enough that with right exposure he can go back to NBL in the $250k + range or go G league for $50k or sit on the end of the bench on an NBA team for a 2 way deal worth $80k-$450k.

Where is he going to get better exposure than the BEAST champion and soon to be NCAA tournament perennial Marquette Warriors (Golden Eagles)?

In other words... he can go for max $50k now... or have a good year on a good team and go for min $250k.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 20, 2023, 05:42:09 AM
EVERYONE SOMEONE IS NOT COMING BACK.
Per the NCAA, they can’t.
Why can’t you understand that?

...is the more accurate exclamation.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: We R Final Four on March 20, 2023, 06:57:30 AM
...is the more accurate exclamation.
I was quoting the OP, so not going to alter his quote.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: rgoode57 on March 20, 2023, 07:21:14 AM
No doubt that some MU players will be contacted by other schools and encouraged to transfer - Kam Jones, David Joplin, Chase Ross, and Ben Gold are the most likely candidates to be contacted. None of us know if any of them can be enticed or not. Hopefully not, but, if one or more of them leave for greener pastures, so be it. That is simply the way of college sports now.

Sean Jones might be a transfer candidate since he seemed to struggle most of the year and could decide to drop down to a mid-major.

Whatever happens, Shaka will field a good team next year, and we will start the ride all over again.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2023, 08:03:11 AM
No doubt that some MU players will be contacted by other schools and encouraged to transfer - Kam Jones, David Joplin, Chase Ross, and Ben Gold are the most likely candidates to be contacted. None of us know if any of them can be enticed or not. Hopefully not, but, if one or more of them leave for greener pastures, so be it. That is simply the way of college sports now.

Sean Jones might be a transfer candidate since he seemed to struggle most of the year and could decide to drop down to a mid-major.

Whatever happens, Shaka will field a good team next year, and we will start the ride all over again.

As a foreigner, Gold is limited in NIL options at the moment
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 20, 2023, 08:22:35 AM
Boston Warrior

I agree with you. Shaka has a very good idea of who will be back next year and I trust he will upgrade talent if there are openings. Imo, there may be a couple of opportunities to bring in portal guys, but not one year portal guys. Also, I agree on the incoming class being an upgrade in talent.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 20, 2023, 09:59:57 AM
Speaking of NIL, were those AT&T commercials with Kentucky and there was one with another team, NIL money?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Clam Crowder on March 20, 2023, 12:29:31 PM
No doubt that some MU players will be contacted by other schools and encouraged to transfer - Kam Jones, David Joplin, Chase Ross, and Ben Gold are the most likely candidates to be contacted. None of us know if any of them can be enticed or not. Hopefully not, but, if one or more of them leave for greener pastures, so be it. That is simply the way of college sports now.

Sean Jones might be a transfer candidate since he seemed to struggle most of the year and could decide to drop down to a mid-major.

Whatever happens, Shaka will field a good team next year, and we will start the ride all over again.

Huge violation but something that is definitely happening...we can only pretend its not. The only way I see Kam leaving is if Penny and NIL from Memphis get involved...I feel like the kid loves MU but the appeal of going home and playing for a hall of famer thats from his hometown is probably appealing. Jop I think as a local guy that followed Shaka from Texas to MU isnt going anywhere.

Most likely scenario here is O Max who cant get NIL and is a strong 3 & D Prospect declares and either embraces G league option where he gets $$$ or goes overseas.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: The Equalizer on March 20, 2023, 12:49:16 PM
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut link=topic=64655.msg1538640#msg1538640 date=
Speaking of NIL, were those AT&T commercials with Kentucky and there was one with another team, NIL money?

More on the AT&T/Kentucky commercial:
https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/jacob-toppin-on-att-commercial-you-get-whatever-you-want-here/
 (https://www.on3.com/teams/kentucky-wildcats/news/jacob-toppin-on-att-commercial-you-get-whatever-you-want-here/)

And this on the UnderArmor commercial featuring Alayah Boston:
https://garnetandcocky.com/2023/03/15/south-carolina-basketball-gamecocks-under-armour-commercial/ (https://garnetandcocky.com/2023/03/15/south-carolina-basketball-gamecocks-under-armour-commercial/)

Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: LAZER on March 20, 2023, 12:50:14 PM
I don't see how Omax's situation is any different than a couple years ago when guys didn't get NIL money. You didn't really ever see guys leave early with the plan to go overseas or to the G-league just to get a check.  I don't see why so many are assuming Omax is desperate to get paid next year.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: The Equalizer on March 20, 2023, 01:04:43 PM
Quote from: Clam Crowder link=topic=64655.msg1538762#msg1538762 date=
Huge violation but something that is definitely happening...we can only pretend its not. The only way I see Kam leaving is if Penny and NIL from Memphis get involved...I feel like the kid loves MU but the appeal of going home and playing for a hall of famer thats from his hometown is probably appealing. Jop I think as a local guy that followed Shaka from Texas to MU isnt going anywhere.

Most likely scenario here is O Max who cant get NIL and is a strong 3 & D Prospect declares and either embraces G league option where he gets $$$ or goes overseas.

I cautioned the board not to believe the supposed illegality of NIL being either contingent on attending a particular school or as a recruiting inducement.  As I predicted, smart lawyers have found plenty of ways to set up programs that skirt these laws.  Even MU has it's own NIL collective.  While payments from Be the Difference NIL are technically not contingent on an athlete attending Marquette (because that's illegal), I doubt any of those funds find their way to Wisconsin, UWM, or UWGB athletes.

As far as foreign players--lots of misinformation here.  They are not prohibited from earning NIL--they just are limited in the way their deals are structured. Generally, the athletes have to travel outside the US to perform the work, which then can be used passively in the US:
https://frontofficesports.com/international-athletes-find-nil-loophole-at-battle-4-atlantis/ (https://frontofficesports.com/international-athletes-find-nil-loophole-at-battle-4-atlantis/)

An example could be OMP recording an RV vacation through Canada, then licensing the footage to Camping World in the US.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2023, 01:23:26 PM
The Kam to Memphis conspiracy is HOT on the scoop right now. It's quite the reach. I don't see Kam taking a step down in level of competition. And he and his family seem very comfortable with Marquette.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: WarriorFan on March 20, 2023, 01:37:43 PM
Regarding the "Be the Difference NIL"... I don't want to donate.  I would, however, pay $50 for a 2023 Big East Champions T-shirt.
Why is that not happening?

My old Final 4 T-shirt finally fell apart and was put to rest.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2023, 01:46:51 PM
Regarding the "Be the Difference NIL"... I don't want to donate.  I would, however, pay $50 for a 2023 Big East Champions T-shirt.
Why is that not happening?

My old Final 4 T-shirt finally fell apart and was put to rest.

Ok...I'll buy one and sell it to you for $50?
https://spiritshop.marquette.edu/2023-Big-East-Champions-Tee-p/33126.htm
https://spiritshop.marquette.edu/2023-Big-East-Tournament-Champion-Tee-p/33135.htm
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: nyg on March 20, 2023, 01:51:55 PM
nm



Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2023, 02:01:26 PM
"The Kam to Memphis conspiracy is hot" ?  Really?, it was mentioned twice in this thread as what ifs. At least you stated it was a reach.

Unless I hear any potential rumors from notable sports people outside this board, nothing is "hot" or has anything in the realm of a conspiracy. Will know more in the following week as players meet with coaching staff, other teams coaching changes and players want to get in the portal.  This will be a busy transaction week in all college basketball and always has been.

I was poking fun at the "rumor," which I've seen several times across different threads. It makes no sense - the only connection is that Kam is from Memphis.

That said, maybe Arizona St. will back up the NIL money truck for Oso. He's from AZ......  :o :o :o
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2023, 02:02:40 PM
I was poking fun at the "rumor," which I've seen several times across different threads. It makes no sense - the only connection is that Kam is from Memphis.

That said, I could see Arizona St. backing up the NIL money truck for Oso  :o :o :o

Arizona State might not have a coach in a few days and Memphis is losing its best players to graduation.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Tyler COLEk on March 20, 2023, 02:04:16 PM
Arizona State might not have a coach in a few days and Memphis is losing its best players to graduation.

CONFIRMED: New Arizona State coach highly likely to clean house to make way for Oso.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: nyg on March 20, 2023, 02:12:03 PM
I was poking fun at the "rumor," which I've seen several times across different threads. It makes no sense - the only connection is that Kam is from Memphis.

That said, maybe Arizona St. will back up the NIL money truck for Oso. He's from AZ......  :o :o :o

Use teal next time.  You wrote as if it was a fact.

Sidenote, there are many players who actually like their surroundings and don't want to play at home.  Busy week....
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2023, 04:14:49 PM
Here's a theory on Ben. 
a) The Tall Blacks (yes, that's what the NZ National team is called) play in the world cup this summer/autumn and Ben is not on the team.  Not much for him in that case in NZ.
b) The NBL season is basically the same as the school year (starts in August) and he'd make $25-50k there.  (minimum 17k as an U25) He could play in some of the summer pro leagues in Australia, but the competition level is very low and the money is enough to buy dinner and a few beers.
c) he's NIL restricted due to stupid NCAA rules
d) He's good enough that with right exposure he can go back to NBL in the $250k + range or go G league for $50k or sit on the end of the bench on an NBA team for a 2 way deal worth $80k-$450k.

Where is he going to get better exposure than the BEAST champion and soon to be NCAA tournament perennial Marquette Warriors (Golden Eagles)?

In other words... he can go for max $50k now... or have a good year on a good team and go for min $250k.

No, he’s restricted under the terms of his F-1 visa. International students can only earn income in the US through an on campus job or passive income (royalties, product for trade). Sorry to rain on your rambling.

The number of kids making significant income from NIL nationally is far less than you all think. A vast majority of NIL deals are for product only.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: WarriorFan on March 20, 2023, 10:09:39 PM
Thanks for your correction.  Stupid rules from the only organization on the planet less competent than the NCAA - the US government.  (and just to make this non- political, I include the current government and the government for at least the last 34 years.)
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2023, 12:17:30 PM
I don’t think NIL will be as impactful as most people think. Most players aren’t going to dramatically alter a team on their own unless they are a lottery pick. That money far outweighs NIL money so I don’t see big time players moving from one team to another. That then leaves the next level down which are 2nd round to undrafted. Those folks might be the main targets for NIL but they would need to be offered significantly more than what they are currently getting.  They have to be starter caliber because bench players on the new team aren’t going to get a payday. I think we will see a handful of players offered big money other than that I think players will decide they want to leave and get relatively what they got.

Pack, who set the bar, decided to transfer and then worked the system for a good deal. I think this will normalize when coaches realize they don’t want to rerecuit through pay days their own players.

Oh boy, you're about to learn a lot this off season.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 21, 2023, 12:26:12 PM
This is the gold rush era for college athletes. They are going to be throwing money around like there is no tomorrow.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GOO on March 21, 2023, 12:39:48 PM
No, he’s restricted under the terms of his F-1 visa. International students can only earn income in the US through an on campus job or passive income (royalties, product for trade). Sorry to rain on your rambling.

The number of kids making significant income from NIL nationally is far less than you all think. A vast majority of NIL deals are for product only.

Royalties. So you’re saying that Gold can write a bogus book, a booster can buy 15,000 copies for employees and friends, and Gold pockets the money? Just like some politicians do with obscure books that the public never sees. May as well make it an ebook to save some costs and trees.

Bottom line. MU donors will have to step up going forward to some extent to keep players, iOS my assumption.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: panda on March 21, 2023, 12:40:32 PM
This is the gold rush era for college athletes. They are going to be throwing money around like there is no tomorrow.

Agreed - The market will level out in the next few years when boosters start to get burned by athletes either performing below the desired output or leaving the school's program before expected.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Goose on March 21, 2023, 01:00:49 PM
panda

Agreed. It will be the wild west until smart boosters realize the money is not bringing the ROI, and in this case the ROI is winning. At this time, I would recommend to any non MU player, chase the money while you can. I think there will be mid level players making very nice money the next few years. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GoFastAndWin on March 21, 2023, 01:23:05 PM
panda

Agreed. It will be the wild west until smart boosters realize the money is not bringing the ROI, and in this case the ROI is winning. At this time, I would recommend to any non MU player, chase the money while you can. I think there will be mid level players making very nice money the next few years. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Goose, that’s a very honest take. It’s troubling because it hits so hard at the uncomfortable truth. That almost everyone will be in these kids’ ears to take the money and run. I would tell any kid at ANY program to look at the totality of your situation. Is your development progressing at a rate you’re happy with? Do you get along with your coaches and teammates? Do the systems played by your program accentuate your talents? If you answered positively to these questions, what amount of money would justify a change? If Marquette’s retention effort falls $200G short of blue-blood teamY, who cannot match MU in terms of the player development, relationships, system/style calculus, then Player X can think of staying at MU and foregoing the immediate payday as a $200K investment with its own ROI. There’s a ton to think about here. If the Boosters’ ROI is measured in winning, the players have even more to calculate, as they should be striving to be the absolute best version of themselves over the very long haul.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 1318WWells on March 22, 2023, 08:13:24 AM
We all keep saying that we are over signed for next year, but is that notion obsolete with NIL?

Are walk-ons forbidden from receiving NIL?

I recall 10 or 15 years ago Duke had a McDs AA as a walk-on. I’m sure other promises were made, which can now be above board.

We’ve heard about some players getting $1 million NIL deals.  Does the scholarship money even matter at that point? Fine, I’m a walk on and I’m netting $960,000.

Moving down the pecking order, you could take a scholarship spot at a mid major, or walk on at a high major that can at least match tuition with NIL money.

Just wondering if anybody knows if the NCAA has accounted for this.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2023, 08:56:39 AM
We all keep saying that we are over signed for next year, but is that notion obsolete with NIL?

Are walk-ons forbidden from receiving NIL?

I recall 10 or 15 years ago Duke had a McDs AA as a walk-on. I’m sure other promises were made, which can now be above board.

We’ve heard about some players getting $1 million NIL deals.  Does the scholarship money even matter at that point? Fine, I’m a walk on and I’m netting $960,000.

Moving down the pecking order, you could take a scholarship spot at a mid major, or walk on at a high major that can at least match tuition with NIL money.

Just wondering if anybody knows if the NCAA has accounted for this.

First, no it's not obsolete. The vast majority of scholarship athletes are getting very little in NIL, and walk-ons are almost certainly getting an average of maybe slightly above $0.

Second, no they are not forbidden, but when most rosters only go 7-8 deep, I don't think you're going to find a list of high-level walk-ons that want to ride pine.

Who was that Duke McDonald's All-American walk-on? The only high profile walk-on I remember recently was Doug McDermott, who got his tuition paid because his dad was a Creighton employee.

I think people are vastly overvaluing what's actually going on with NIL. Significant dollars are going to a small minority of players. However, that means keeping those players becomes that much more difficult. You're going to see 80-90% of players get nothing (or virtually nothing) and the other minority get disproportionately large amounts that put the John Ruiz types in the driver's seat.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: 1318WWells on March 22, 2023, 10:05:36 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1708740-duke-basketball-the-5-most-unlikely-success-stories-in-blue-devils-history

Melchionni

2002 Honorable Mention
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2023, 10:20:18 AM
NIL site posted by PaintTouches.

Some awesome Team Championship and Player merch available here. Good stuff!

https://athletesthread.com/collections/marquette-university-ncaa-mens-basketball
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 22, 2023, 12:07:58 PM
As a foreigner, Gold is limited in NIL options at the moment

So this is the only rule the NCAA is enforcing? The upside of this kid is worth his weight in gold.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Litehouse on March 22, 2023, 12:22:40 PM
So this is the only rule the NCAA is enforcing? The upside of this kid is worth his weight in gold.
It was mentioned previously, but this isn't a NCAA rule, it's a rule for all foreigners in the US on a student visa.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2023, 04:24:01 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1708740-duke-basketball-the-5-most-unlikely-success-stories-in-blue-devils-history

Melchionni

2002 Honorable Mention

Considering that anyone can nominate someone for All-American, that's not really a thing. He definitely wasn't an All-American. Good on him for becoming a spot starter and rotation player, but no one is confusing him with the rest of that recruiting class.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jay Bee on March 22, 2023, 05:14:09 PM
Even MU has it's own NIL collective. 

Its vs. it’s, but more importantly, your claim is false.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2023, 05:40:15 PM
Its vs. it’s, but more importantly, your claim is false.

How's that, exactly?
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: avid1010 on March 22, 2023, 06:01:16 PM
Its vs. it’s
I love it!
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jay Bee on March 22, 2023, 07:46:09 PM
How's that, exactly?

It r no exist, aina??
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2023, 08:01:44 PM
It r no exist, aina??

It does. I had a meeting with the people running it about a week ago. It definitely exists.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: cheebs09 on March 22, 2023, 08:17:56 PM
It does. I had a meeting with the people running it about a week ago. It definitely exists.

I’m going with that MU can’t have its own, but people have one set up to support NIL opportunities for MU players.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: tower912 on March 22, 2023, 08:25:38 PM
I’m going with that MU can’t have its own, but people have one set up to support NIL opportunities for MU players.
Right.  Nice job translating JB to english.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2023, 08:49:08 PM
I’m going with that MU can’t have its own, but people have one set up to support NIL opportunities for MU players.

Fair enough. But considering that pretty much every other NIL organization has the school advertising for them and sending out emails from official University accounts, I think those lines are getting more and more blurred.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jay Bee on March 22, 2023, 10:32:32 PM
Fair enough. But considering that pretty much every other NIL organization has the school advertising for them and sending out emails from official University accounts, I think those lines are getting more and more blurred.

Or, let’s see what the collective says:

“Is Be the Difference NIL affiliated with Marquette University?

No, we share no affiliation with Marquette University. “
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: The Equalizer on March 23, 2023, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee link=topic=64655.msg1539532#msg1539532 date=
Or, let’s see what the collective says:

“Is Be the Difference NIL affiliated with Marquette University?

No, we share no affiliation with Marquette University. “

You missed this part:

"Be the Difference NIL, a registered Wisconsin 501(C)(3) is a collection of donors and alumni that supports student-athletes at Marquette University."

 
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: lawdog77 on March 23, 2023, 08:52:29 AM
You missed this part:

"Be the Difference NIL, a registered Wisconsin 501(C)(3) is a collection of donors and alumni that supports student-athletes at Marquette University."
JayBee should change his screen name to "The Sultan of Pedantics"
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jay Bee on March 23, 2023, 10:14:44 AM
You missed this part:

"Be the Difference NIL, a registered Wisconsin 501(C)(3) is a collection of donors and alumni that supports student-athletes at Marquette University."

I didn’t miss it at all. Marquette has no NIL collective. They can’t. “It’s” was an attempt at “it’s”, e.g. possession. MU has none.

There is an NIL collective, whose stated purpose is support SAs at MU. That’s a significant distinction. Not only does MU not own or operate the collective, both parties will strongly state that there is no affiliation. For good reason.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 11:20:34 AM
https://youtu.be/iFbygeeNKiQ
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 23, 2023, 11:48:06 AM
  Just heard Badgers NIL is setting up Webinars and talks to prepare kids for handling the money
of course with football they have a larger pool of athletes but this makes good sense to keep them
from making mistakes with the windfalls.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on March 23, 2023, 11:59:54 AM
  Just heard Badgers NIL is setting up Webinars and talks to prepare kids for handling the money
of course with football they have a larger pool of athletes but this makes good sense to keep them
from making mistakes with the windfalls.

Sat through a recruiting conversation with a number of coaches including the Badger coach for one of my kids.

What bucky does, at least for non-foootball and basketball kids, is all athletes get $1000 per season in an account that the athlete gets when they graduate/move on.

Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Jay Bee on March 23, 2023, 12:00:40 PM
  Just heard Badgers NIL is setting up Webinars and talks to prepare kids for handling the money
of course with football they have a larger pool of athletes but this makes good sense to keep them
from making mistakes with the windfalls.

All schools should be doing this; kids are going to eff up their taxes

MU just hired an on-campus NIL general manager. Full time, on campus job
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2023, 12:27:38 PM
https://youtu.be/iFbygeeNKiQ

More power to Tyler, but I wish I didn't watch that.
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on March 23, 2023, 12:52:22 PM
All schools should be doing this; kids are going to eff up their taxes

MU just hired an on-campus NIL general manager. Full time, on campus job

  That's great news   I was hoping to hear something along those lines
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2023, 02:29:12 PM
More power to Tyler, but I wish I didn't watch that.

😂😂
Title: Re: NIL - We’re All Wondering
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2023, 02:38:59 PM
More power to Tyler, but I wish I didn't watch that.

That's how he hurt his thumb.

Too soon?