Oso planning to go pro
I can’t speak for Eng but I share some of his sentiments.And I don’t think it’s absolution. I’m sure he’s not speaking to people calling it a hoax or saying death counts would be lower than a flu season. But rather to the alternative to those championing most of the fearful projections. Maybe they didn’t say “we are all gonna die” but there were people warning against people dropping dead on flights, bodies in the streets, broad deaths across all age groups, lockdowns into 2021, etc... That level of dire projections haven’t come trueNow you have places meeting metrics, beginning reponening, and people immediately began cautioning on the second wave how bad this was still gonna be, etc and I think people got fed up and over confident, which is what he’s speaking to. And I’m not talking AZ or FL, I’m talking to the reaction of people in places like WI, OH, IL that are managing well. That sort of constant paranoia generation in the face of improving situations doesn’t breed vigilance, it breeds exhaustion and defiance. I do think the irony here is the states I mentioned flattened the curve whereas the recent hotspots never did as they “started” their curves latter and opened prematurely. But here we are
Tulsa, and so it begins:https://apnews.com/23796a826ba86619527363b92ed49a33?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
Yeah, I'm still not buying the logic here. I mean, first, I can think of no one in authority or a scientist who's been given a substantial platform here who's said "We're all going to die" or "there will be bodies in the street," etc. So unless I'm mistaken about that, the premise is false to begin with.But for sake of argument, let's say that message was being put out there by political leaders or scientific experts. You argument then becomes "Because of some dire warnings, some people ignored ALL warnings, and neither the the fault of those people or those who encouraged them, but the fault of the people who gave the warnings."I hurt my brain just typing that, because it makes no sense.If a meteorologist warns of a Category 5 hurricane, but some people ignore the warning and get wiped out when a Category 4 passes through, do you blame the meteorologist, or the idiots who decided to ride it out? By your logic, the meteorologist shares the blame.
Agreed. The timing is essentially perfect to correlate reopening to the resurgence in states where cases are increasing. As to the disparity between places like TX, AZ and FL where cases are increasing vs the midwest and northeast where cases are decreasing, I think much of that can be attributed to the seriousness with which people in those parts of the country take social distancing, masks and such. Here in MN, it has been several weeks since I last saw a person in a grocery store without a mask. And cases in MN are declining steadily. Video I have seen from TX, FL and such seems to show a very different story.
It is not a re-opening thing it is more of a not flattening the curve thing.
I would define it has a “reopening before they flattened the curve” thing, with social distancing and masks also a big factor.Some places (like Wisconsin and Minnesota) reopened before the curve was truly flattened, yet are still seeing a downward trend today. In my opinion, the consequences of the premature reopening was significantly mitigated by people exercising common sense. In other states (like Texas, Arizona and Florida), people don’t seem to be taking precautionary measures as seriously, so cases continue to rise. There are almost certainly other factors at play as well, but re-opening without having flattened the curve was a big deal, as are precautionary measures.
JWags ... appreciate your response and I'll mostly drop it, but one point - eng brought Trump in with his response and now you've suggested tribalism. Just to be clear, I've written nothing about the president or politics in my comments to you guys.
Appreciated. It’s incredibly muddy by this point, but FWIW I wasn’t angle towards politics either. I feel even back in the early stages, there was the “the pandemic is gonna be horrific” camp and the “it’s being overblown” camp, before political lines were drawn. That’s more the tribalism I was leaning towards. People choosing their outlook and going with it
Well, a positive for COVID-19 spread purposes, at least the crowd is much smaller than the million advertised. Outside was canceled, inside less than half full this far. https://twitter.com/Politidope/status/1274473702227353605?s=19
That a disingenuous take. The pandemic is going to be horrific group camp never existed. It was it’s going to be horrific if we don’t lock down and give science and medical experts a chance camp. You conveniently left that part out. You seem to be the person that they warned us about. The after the lockdown “see told you it wasn’t that bad, the virus wasn’t bad after all” group. Most were pro science, realizing that things can change as we learn more.In Florida, the median age of people that have dies has plummeted in the last couple of weeks. No longer is the “it just impacts old people” narrative valid. Not sure why wear a mask, practice social distancing, wash your hands suddenly tribal, but it is.
pb check your facts the age for deaths is not down the age for those infected is.https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-coronavirus-florida-younger-20200620-zdbyrk6h25cwxak5h74cchirke-story.html
"When you do testing to that extent, you are going to find more people, you will find more cases. So I said slow the testing down." —Trump on trying to keep the number of reported COVID cases low6/20/20
That a disingenuous take. The pandemic is going to be horrific group camp never existed. It was it’s going to be horrific if we don’t lock down and give science and medical experts a chance camp. You conveniently left that part out. You seem to be the person that they warned us about. The after the lockdown “see told you it wasn’t that bad, the virus wasn’t bad after all” group. Most were pro science, realizing that things can change as we learn more.In Florida, the median age of people that have got the virus has plummeted in the last couple of weeks.Not sure why wear a mask, practice social distancing, wash your hands suddenly tribal, but it is. Corrected to say tests not deaths.
Over 120,000 Americans have died from this pandemic in four months. That’s more than 25% of worldwide deaths in under 5% of the world population. We passed horrific a few weeks ago.