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Yup, trolly troll is successful in tying up 8 or 9 people with his intentional disinformation and bad faith arguing. Its one thing to have an honest back-and-forth with someone like Lenny vs. engaging with a chicosesque liar.
Ignore button is your friend.
Just a question for those criticizing Woodward for withholding his comments until publication of his book: Is your criticism based on the notion that his disclosure will dramatically change how Trump handles the virus? If not, what difference would it have made in terms of pandemic mitigation to disclose the comments earlier?IMHO, the revelation - whether it was made in May or today - will not change what Trump or the administration does...or how the True Believers behave. As a result, the delay will not impact the number of lives lost. Instead, it may simply only have an impact on who votes for whom in the November election.I guess we will see. If Trump takes a dramatically more aggressive stance toward the pandemic beginning immediately, it will be evidence my hunch is wrong. But if he continues his ‘hands-off/masks optional’ approach toward the crisis, it will suggest my hunch is correct.
Wolves don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep. It's not for Woodward to judge how it will be received by the American public; it's his job to determine whether they should receive it. He chose that they did not.I buy and understand that he did not have full context and sourcing on information for several months. But he knew immediately that Trump was saying one thing in private and another in public. The contradiction is the story. The idea that he should be the "2nd draft of history" is garbage when he was positioned to be the first. Woodward and Bernstein had about 200 Watergate articles when all was said and done. Who goes a fck if we didn't have the whole picture of the coronavirus - we still don't! That story would have evolved regardless, but the peek into the President's consciousness wasn't newsworthy because he couldn't validate the claim of how serious it was? Give me a fcking break.
Fauci, Cuomo, Newsome, Murphy, etc said the federal govt was there for them when they needed it.
I think you are wrong and I agree with Goo. What Woodward revealed was mostly not news. Almost all was just a confirmation of what most of us knew 6 months ago. He mainly just filled in the blanks. Holding Woodward responsible is simply an attempt to deflect blame from where we all know it belongs. Our leader lied is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. No different than Johnson and Nixon lies in the 60s caused tens of thousands of young men to die. The #1 job of the president is to protect Americans. Instead, trump is the biggest failure of any president in history.
To me, you get the information out there once you can confirm it. Sitting on it until it is financially or politically expedient is a large part of why we are where we are as a country.
In an ideal world, maybe yes. But, trump supporters - even with the president lying on tape - deny that he lied. Those who don't support him already knew what Woodward reported. He just confirmed the details.There is not a single word in his book that would have changed minds. There was no reason to put this "news" out there.
It's not about voters. It is whether or not it would have made those in power to take action sooner or act in a different manner (governors, Fed Bureaucracy) and those who are governed to accept public health measures.Instead Bob W chose to protect the info to get more interviews (they would have been cutoff the min he released it). So we are left with someone making a decision to have a more impactful book (more interviews than if he leaked) or more book sales....or both.
If it's about changing leaders' behavior, we should still see changes with this revelation today. Will Kim Reynolds, Kristi Noem or Doug Burgum issue stay-at-home orders now that they have heard POTUS' words? Will they make masks mandatory in public, and enforce violations? Personally, I kinda doubt it....
Ummm...epidemiologists have been warning about this for years. So pretty much everyone who believes in science.
Trump is making the exact same argument today.
Whether Woodward should have released the info earlier is a valid question question but irrelevant to the questions about the actions and mindset of the President, and should not be used to cloud that issue.
Instead Bob W chose to protect the info to get more interviews (they would have been cutoff the min he released it). So we are left with someone making a decision to have a more impactful book (more interviews than if he leaked) or more book sales....or both.
This is sort of a side discussion, but it baffles me why Trump was talking to Woodward in the first place. His last book in 2018 was highly critical of Trump, and usually that sort thing prompts undying antagonism from the POTUS. But here he is have multiple extensive conversations with Woodward...I don't get it.