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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 04, 2020, 09:27:48 AM
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I've always held that the regular season is more important in judging a season than the postseason. While I don't go full Chicos on the whole crapshoot thing, I do agree with the general premise the people overvalue a couple of games in March when evaluating the success of a coach or team. For me, this season was already going to end in disappointment when we lost at Providence. I expected this team to be in the 3-6 seed range and the losd at Providence shut the door on any possibility of a 3 or 4 seed and made a 5 seed highly unlikely. Follow that up with two more losses and now we would likely need to win out to make it to the 6 seed line. To make up for that, I honestly would need to see us either win the BET and a Sweet 16 or a trip to the Final Four for me to leave this season feeling good. Don't get me wrong, I'd enjoy the heck out of an Elite Eight run, but I think it would be a bit of a paper tiger. Some wallpaper over a disappointing regular season.
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Another poster said something to the effect of it being like Cuonzo when Tennessee made the sweet sixteen and wanted him fired. I agree and think there are a lot of similarities. I can’t say what it would take for me to feel good about this program now but there a lot of uneasy feelings among everyone I think.
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Geez, how seriously we take five college students running on a court throwing a ball through a hoop.
Therapists phones most be ringing off the hook.
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Geez, how seriously we take five college students running on a court throwing a ball through a hoop.
Therapists phones most be ringing off the hook.
Extremist fans
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Looking at the listed alternatives, I get the feeling that we're beyond redemption.
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I am not so much interested in redemption as I am in seeing Markus go out on a winning note. I would like to see them win at St Johns, get to the championship game of the BET and win at least two games in NCAA tournament.
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My expectations for a Wojo led squad are so low I voted round of 32. The dumpster fire that is Gopher hoops even won an NCAA tournament game last year and they are an have been for quite some time totally irrelevant on the college hoops landscape. Wojo you made this!!!
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My vote would be BET or Sweet 16.
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At this point it's not about the results (aka doesn't matter how we finish), it's about the process. I want to see a basketball team that looks like it actually practices offense and defense.
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Folks, while I would love to see future wins it may or may not happen.
In my opinion the current team has pretty much plateaued.
I think the current team is comprised of great student athletes representing the university well.
I also think the Coach Wojo represents the university well and is doing the best he can.
But, we just don't have the guns. Maybe a different story if Ed, Joey and Sam were with us, but that is not the case.
Enjoy and cheer the next two games, and hope there will be more this season.
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Geez, how seriously we take five college students running on a court throwing a ball through a hoop.
Therapists phones most be ringing off the hook.
you're surprised an adult whose handle is the name of a 17-year-old kid takes that seriously? Therapists' phones should have been on speed dial well before this.
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One final thing that bothers me. The moderators killed the thread, but I was watching the Seton Hall game on TV. Later in the game they showed Markus parents. His mother was visibly shaken. At the time I thought it was because the game was not going well. While I don't know the specifics of the incident, I am pretty disgusted as an MU fan if we didn't treat Markus parents with the utmost respect.
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At this point it's not about the results (aka doesn't matter how we finish), it's about the process. I want to see a basketball team that looks like it actually practices offense and defense.
This
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One final thing that bothers me. The moderators killed the thread, but I was watching the Seton Hall game on TV. Later in the game they showed Markus parents. His mother was visibly shaken. At the time I thought it was because the game was not going well. While I don't know the specifics of the incident, I am pretty disgusted as an MU fan if we didn't treat Markus parents with the utmost respect.
From the reports, Howard's parents got involved with some people going after Wojo. The actions by the drunks and the Howards were unnecessary.
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I said Elite 8. Considering the ending trajectory the past two years and the general inability to beat teams "better" than us, I think the Elite 8 as a goal is the surest way to show Wojo can change that and beat those teams. I also think it's more in line with what this team was always supposed to be.
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I'd like to see a win at St. John's, a couple BE tournament wins and ideally a couple wins in the NCAA's. But even just a tournament game win would quell my restlessness.
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Beating St John's on the road seems more than MU can muster. Which means no NCAA tournament at all. Even when MU was good, they didn't do much in the BET.
Things aren't too good right now.
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I'd take an elite 8. Sweet 16 is probably just too cold teams and howard being hot.
Though it would be a bitter sweet elite 9
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One final thing that bothers me. The moderators killed the thread, but I was watching the Seton Hall game on TV. Later in the game they showed Markus parents. His mother was visibly shaken. At the time I thought it was because the game was not going well. While I don't know the specifics of the incident, I am pretty disgusted as an MU fan if we didn't treat Markus parents with the utmost respect.
My take from it was someone was giving it hard to wojo. The Howard's tried to swing their weight around and got involved in something they shouldnt.
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My take from it was someone was giving it hard to wojo. The Howard's tried to swing their weight around and got involved in something they shouldnt.
Will second (or third?) the notion that the Howards overstepped, especially his mom if she told the guy to “respect our coach”.
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Great, now fans on this board are going after Markus' parents.
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Great, now fans on this board are going after Markus' parents.
Classy group we have
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Beating St John's on the road seems more than MU can muster. Which means no NCAA tournament at all. Even when MU was good, they didn't do much in the BET.
Things aren't too good right now.
Have you looked at any brackets recently?
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Great, now fans on this board are going after Markus' parents.
If that's what you have to tell yourself.
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If that's what you have to tell yourself.
You're kind of being a douche. Lay off the parents.
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You're kind of being a douche. Lay off the parents.
If "laying into" the parents means saying they shouldn't of gotten involved, then I guess I'll lay into them.
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My take from it was someone was giving it hard to wojo. The Howard's tried to swing their weight around and got involved in something they shouldnt.
Pretty douchey, and you don't know all of the facts.
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Pretty douchey, and you don't know all of the facts.
That's exactly what they did. And no one here knows all the "facts" including yourself. We were told a man was yelling at wojo. Mr howard went up to talk to him. Then mrs howard did the same.
They only did that because they were markus' parents. The definition of throwing your weight around.
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Back to the actual poll, 30% say Round of 32 is enough to redeem the season, and 50% say a Sweet 16 redeems the season. Given the level of meltdown on the board today, I would have expected people to need more than that.
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Mane redeems the season. Do not care if they lose out as long Wojo lands Mane.
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Mane redeems the season. Do not care if they lose out as long Wojo lands Mane.
+1
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That's exactly what they did. And no one here knows all the "facts" including yourself. We were told a man was yelling at wojo. Mr howard went up to talk to him. Then mrs howard did the same.
They only did that because they were markus' parents. The definition of throwing your weight around.
Could be part of what he was yelling was "quit letting the ball hog shoot so much". Or something to that effect. Your tone came off as douchey. f it wasn't meant to be, I apologize. If it was, then I don't. :D
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I think the guys redeemed themselves last night. I did not see much of the game due to work, but it appears that DePaul have fewer dunks against us than our two previous opponents. They coaching staff figured out an anti dunk game plan.
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I think the guys redeemed themselves last night. I did not see much of the game due to work, but it appears that DePaul have fewer dunks against us than our two previous opponents. They coaching staff figured out an anti dunk game plan.
Lol. The defense WAS better.
John Gasaway said it best. When we play defense, we don't score. When we score, we don't play defense.
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That's exactly what they did. And no one here knows all the "facts" including yourself. We were told a man was yelling at wojo. Mr howard went up to talk to him. Then mrs howard did the same.
They only did that because they were markus' parents. The definition of throwing your weight around.
Hey, I don’t blame Markus’ parents for loving Wojo. If a coach were willing to call a timeout with less than a second to play when my son’s team was losing by 4 just to run a play to get my son an extra 3 points, I’d love him, too.
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Mane redeems the season. Do not care if they lose out as long Wojo lands Mane.
This is pretty much where I am, but I would add that he needs to land the big fish he's after for 2021 as well.
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The winner of the horizon league tourney has a better shot than we do of getting past the round of 32.
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I am not so much interested in redemption as I am in seeing Markus go out on a winning note. I would like to see them win at St Johns, get to the championship game of the BET and win at least two games in NCAA tournament.
Are you in Phuket? We owned a villa at Surin on the bluffs above the Amanpour/Chedi. Man, do I miss that place.
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Lol. The defense WAS better.
John Gasaway said it best. When we play defense, we don't score. When we score, we don't play defense.
I think you hit on something here....... no transition
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I'd like to see a win at St. John's, a couple BE tournament wins and ideally a couple wins in the NCAA's. But even just a tournament game win would quell my restlessness.
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