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A bird in the hand....
http://www.nbadraft.net/10-things-we-learned-u17-world-championships-dubaiStill think he's a great get, but by the looks of it Stone is the better prospect both next season and in the NBA.
What is the point of being so negative towards the future just because this year has been so crappy? If you are a real MU fan - what is your motivation in starting this thread? Seriously.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
Its an article about one of our future players. Its a legitimate topic of discussion. I am worried that fans have too high of expectations for HE Man. I think he's gonna be great, but not the game changer from day 1 everyone seems to assume he will be.
He might be overrated, or might not. Time will tell.If he ends up not being Miss California and ends up being Miss Arkansas, I'm still going to have a good time.
Should only glowing reviews be discussed here?Did you conveniently not read the first six words of my post which began 'Still think he's a great get'?
I'm just unnatural carnal knowledgeing sick of people piling onto a bad season. I've been a part of this board almost since its inception. Never has there been a time where people are so willing to tear down any shread of hope that we have for the future. I apologize for singling you out as you are far from the worst offender. But the negativity here needs to stop. Henry is our best recruit in a long time - maybe the best in the past 10+ years. Just because Diamond Stone isn't coming here shouldn't be a reason to sully that.
Interesting question for the locals would be what would we rather have:1. Henry lives up to the hype. Big East freshman of the year and returns MU to the dance on his way to entry into the '16 NBA draft.2. Like most freshman, the leap to D1 is a bit much for Henry. He is not a major contributor right out the gate and needs years of solid coaching and weight training to be really productive in the Big East. Isn't dynamic but a solid contributor for 4 years and goes undrafted after graduation.
One guy writes an article about a recruit being overrated and people lose their minds. What are rankings based on other than opinions?
There's too much fixation on Ellenson. I'm sure he'll be a good, if not great player. There's too little focus on Luke. He's a monster in the making. He has some sloppy habits, but he's a star. He's going to make Henry's transition a whole lot easier. He's basically a freshman on on severely undermanned team. By the time he's a senior, he projects as a first rounder. He's got size, a ton of ability and looks to be a worker.Mark my words.
Luke was pretty great today, foul trouble is still an issue but one that will be solved once he gets used to BE refs (which are so ticky-tack these days). He played well against a nova front court that is pretty good.
I watched all the U-17 games. I thought Ellenson did fine given that this is an all star team event. The coach of the team did his best to parcel out the time. The competition was not that solid. The inter squad games were probably better than the event. The AAU circuit matters much more in my opinion.
This is also true, but it is what it is. same warning I gave about Luke, but some wanted to make him Wilt Chamberlain. Not much one can do about those fans.
I watched most of the U-17 games. What I saw was that plays were often run for Stone, but rarely for Henry. Both executed well when their number was called. Stone got more chances and really showed some great stuff around the rim with dunks and drives. Stuff that looks good.Most of it was pick-up ball against 5th graders, however. Even the final was against a scrappy and well organized but not particularly talented Australia team. Australia was in it because they have a national team system that starts from age 13 or 14 when most of the kids move to the Institute of Sport for training and school, so they are a team and play like one where the US group was just a collection of random individuals. Even then, it wasn't the same level of competition.
I hope you are right, but not sure I see star. Senior year should be very nice player, especially if we can free up the lane a bit for him with a quality tandem player.
Generally I agree. crap on Wojo. crap on Players. crap on Recruits. Bad seasons cause bad message boards. I wish they didn't...but if we were winning this season, the post would have been glossed over with what seed we should expect in the tourney.
A couple of thoughts:1) If Diamond is so much better than Henry, why does Henry have the scholarship and Diamond doesn't yet.
10 and 5 from a sophomore big playing in only his 2nd college semester, and really first considering where he was for his first and the opportunity he was given, is pretty darn good for a boarderline top 100 player, especially considering he only got the benefit of playing about 2 cupcake teams to get into form before the Big East season. Just because the coach at Indiana had no clue how to use a legitimate big talent doesn't mean he's underperformed in any way. Not to mention, Luke and Hank weren't even close to similarly hyped coming out of high school.
Crean cooled on him.
Hopefully. I think he has done well this year and the natural progression for his type of frame and ability. My worry was when people here anointed him God after ASU and Alabama A&M. He was #71 RSCI, maybe that's borderline.
Agree Chicos. I actually thought yesterday was Luke's best game in conference. If we're honest with ourselves, Luke is playing the minutes he is because we have nobody else. If you put him on any other Big East team this season he probably is seeing spot minutes (10-15) at the 5 which is normal for a sophomore and the increased time it typically takes for bigs to mature and round out their games.
No...and after reading many many psosts from people on this board that do...I have to say I'm MUCH better off, if this is the type of "intelligence" a degree from MU gets you. It sure is on full display I will say that.
For what it's worth Ellenson went 0-2, 0 points in the 99-92 championship game vs Australia
Bluntly put-- Diamond Stone doesn't want to go to college. Probably can't pass ACT Test. Might take up Swaheeli , Basket Weaving, or how to swing a gold club at Wisconsin. Call it "Sour Grapes", or what you want. Will admit, might be a good kid, but his offense is way below parto be a top grade player. I don't call Henry a 5-star either. Better basketball skills. If Stone was really skilled, Calipari would have had him in a heart beat. I say Stone will be a 3 year college player for whoever college that he can get in to.. Ellenson 3 or 4 years.My opinion only.
Nice racist rant. And if your going to be THAT guy spell swahili remotely in the ballpark you ignoramus.And Diamond's offensive game is just fine even though he chose a different school. Neither guy has any interest in staying in school for more than 1-2 years.
Yep, I wanted Stone, but not taking or passing his ACT or whatever, gives me doubts I didn't have before. His scoring average andboard play is pretty good when playing against D-4 competition. Scoring is real good when shooting 2-feet from the basket with dunks and layups. Will admit defense is very good. Comments were not meant to be racist. Am far from being that kind of person. Figure of speech. Sorry if I offended you guys. I wanted Stone in the worst way. "Sour Grapes". A player out in New York named Thomas Bryant at 6-10, 230, 4-star would be super. Guess MU doesn't have the "pull" anymore in that area. He has not committed.
Miss Arkansas, I'm still going to have a good time.
i really don't trust or care what any of these so called recruiting experts say. i'll just wait till we see the recruits in a marquette uniform before i get excited or disappointed.
5 year rule and all of that.
There is a reason that the average first contract of a coach is...... 5 years
For the sake of argument, let's assume this report is true. Isn't that sort of great from a Marquette basketball standpoint, though? That Henry would be a guy always flirting with Big East POY but there are doubts about his athleticism that keeps him from jumping in the draft after one or two years. The guy could be our Tyler Hansbrough or Frank Kaminsky. Better than him being our Noah Vonleh.
Mostly due to market forces. Not because it takes 5 years to fully judge them.