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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: tower912 on May 20, 2021, 11:38:33 AM
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What do you think you would shoot from the 7800 yard tips in a decent wind? I have more rounds under par than over 80 this year, but I don't think I would break 100. I don't think this is going to be a bomb and gouge tournament.
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A bomber or someone who plays in a lot of wind from Texas / Foreign may be good choices
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What do you think you would shoot from the 7800 yard tips in a decent wind? I have more rounds under par than over 80 this year, but I don't think I would break 100. I don't think this is going to be a bomb and gouge tournament.
The wind changes everything. I usually play to around a 7-8 by early summer. A few years ago, I played the Blackwolf River course from the blacks which is like 7400, on a nice day, and got my ass kicked to the tune of like 89 and I didn't play that bad. Add another 400 yards and wind and PGA conditions? I would comfortably add 20 strokes to that.
Brown Deer Park is like 6900 from the blacks if I recall. Which is no joke. Add another 50 yards to each hole and suddenly you're hitting long irons on almost every approach. Gross.
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LOL, given that I only started playing last year and I have to play from the women's tees (because, weaker sex), I think playing from the tips on the Ocean Course would be pretty ugly. It would be like Kevin Na all over again, but on every hole.
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Great bounce back for Koepka after the immediate double to start the round.
I had a hunch this week could be his comeback to form. Hopefully he holds up all weekend love watching him.
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Wags
If your 89 from the tips was at the River Course, it is a big time round for a 7-8 handicap.
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Wags
If your 89 from the tips was at the River Course, it is a big time round for a 7-8 handicap.
Maybe so 8-) I was playing well at the time and I putted REALLY well. Incredible course. Last time I played Brown Deer was very much the opposite.
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Wags
I play Brown Deer 15-20 times a year from the tips and it gets longer for me every year. I played the Valley at Blackwolf a couple of weeks ago and moved up to the greens. It was a bit short but was first time out for the year.
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Whoa....Mickelson now at -3.
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Whoa....Mickelson now at -3.
Finished at -5 wow
Let’s see if he can hold it during the weekend
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Wind is picking up. His score may look even better as the day progresses.
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Wind is picking up. His score may look even better as the day progresses.
I've heard Kiawah is absolutely brutal in the wind. Who's 2nd in the clubhouse right now? Lefty will likely have the lead if it's a sustained wind all afternoon. Wow....just wow.
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Ahhh....two are at -3. Chances anyone goes sub 70 this afternoon Tower? What's your gut feeling?
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I think these guys have skills I can't fathom. I think one or two manage their way around. I think Phil will be either tie first or one shot off the lead.
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I think these guys have skills I can't fathom. I think one or two manage their way around. I think Phil will be either tie first or one shot off the lead.
I know you're usually right Tower but I'm going to say Phil will be 2 shots clear of the lead. I'm pretty sure the back 9 is considerably harder. Obviously these guys are maestros with the sticks but I just think the wind will win this afternoon if it's 20-30 mph.
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I have always been team Phil, so I hope you are right.
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I have always been team Phil, so I hope you are right.
Damn. ..it looks like you will be right again Tower! Very surprised. Amazing how Koepka steps it up for the Majors.
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Damn. ..it looks like you will be right again Tower! Very surprised. Amazing how Koepka steps it up for the Majors.
It would be less amazing if he didnt pretty much literally say he only cares about majors. He's one of the top 5-10 golfers in the world. He just doesnt really throw it into full gear until the big tourneys
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Kiawah isn't all that far from me and I thought, "Might be cool to play it someday."
Not only does it look brutally difficult, but it's also $463 for a round.
I am barely good enough to justify a $63 round, let alone one $400 more than that!
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Kiawah isn't all that far from me and I thought, "Might be cool to play it someday."
Not only does it look brutally difficult, but it's also $463 for a round.
I am barely good enough to justify a $63 round, let alone one $400 more than that!
Wow $463?? But hey things are pretty good if you live near Charleston.
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I've always loved Louis O's swing. It's a thing of beauty. The pop that guy has is amazing. Rooting for.Phil but I'm not that confident he can get there. :(
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Kiawah isn't all that far from me and I thought, "Might be cool to play it someday."
Not only does it look brutally difficult, but it's also $463 for a round.
I am barely good enough to justify a $63 round, let alone one $400 more than that!
What were you expecting it to be? Most public tracks that have majors are $400+
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What were you expecting it to be? Most public tracks that have majors are $400+
Fair point but I thought it would be slightly less. What is Whitsling Straights and Erin Hills? $500+?
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Kiawah isn't all that far from me and I thought, "Might be cool to play it someday."
Not only does it look brutally difficult, but it's also $463 for a round.
I am barely good enough to justify a $63 round, let alone one $400 more than that!
Dat's only $25.72/whole. If it makes yo feal bedder, goe ahed, take moor swings sew da cost /shot goes down, hey?
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Wow $463?? But hey things are pretty good if you live near Charleston.
I live in Charlotte, a few hours north.
What were you expecting it to be? Most public tracks that have majors are $400+
I had no idea. Haven’t priced them. Now I’ve priced one. They’re out of my league.
Dat's only $25.72/whole. If it makes yo feal bedder, goe ahed, take moor swings sew da cost /shot goes down, hey?
I always get my money’s worth of hacks, even on muni goat paths.
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I live in Charlotte, a few hours north.
I had no idea. Haven’t priced them. Now I’ve priced one. They’re out of my league.
I always get my money’s worth of hacks, even on muni goat paths.
I’m doing Sand Valley, Mammoth Dunes, Lawsonia (36) and Erin Hills next month. 💸💸💸💸💸
It’s an indulgence for sure and my game won’t match up to those tracks but the experience alone will be worth it.
Kiawah is on my list of must plays even though I know it would kick my tail.
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I’m doing Sand Valley, Mammoth Dunes, Lawsonia (36) and Erin Hills next month. 💸💸💸💸💸
It’s an indulgence for sure and my game won’t match up to those tracks but the experience alone will be worth it.
Kiawah is on my list of must plays even though I know it would kick my tail.
I really enjoyed SV. Good tracks are generally fun for people at all levels Uncle R.
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I really enjoyed SV. Good tracks are generally fun for people at all levels Uncle R.
Agree 100%
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I don't mind paying for the high end courses. Just can't do it every week.
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Agree 100%
I came somewhat late to golf but can now play year round so have gotten to an above average level. But even when I was a +15, and was lucky enough to play some "pro level" courses, I generally thought they were more fun. Now of course the people you play with have a lot to do with your enjoyment but from my perspective the best courses are in the best condition, which helps all levels from all tee boxes. I think it's worth splurging a few times a year to go to these venues. Just being out there is fun.
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Who ya got to slam the door on this Major? I read the back 9 could be with the wind Sunday which would make the course considerably less stressful under pressure. Anyhow....I'm not sure who to root for after Lefty?
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If the wind stays down, one of the leaders is going to get to -8 or -9. If it increases as the day goes on, -6 or 7 leads. Somebody going out in the morning is going to shoot a 67 and throw themselves in the mix.
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If the wind stays down, one of the leaders is going to get to -8 or -9. If it increases as the day goes on, -6 or 7 leads. Somebody going out in the morning is going to shoot a 67 and throw themselves in the mix.
Maybe Woodland makes a move??
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Wow....Phil shoots a 32 on the front 9. Did anyone see this coming?
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I am feeling Phil coming back to the pack. The noise in his head is getting louder. Koepka Phil final group tomorrow.
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I am feeling Phil coming back to the pack. The noise in his head is getting louder. Koepka Phil final group tomorrow.
There doesn't appear to be a lot of birdies 13-18. Terrible drive from Louie on 13. :(
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Omg!! Lefty did the same thing!! WTH??
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The leaderboard just got a lot interesting.
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The leaderboard just got a lot interesting.
Yes. DId Phil turn lobster red after that drive or am I seeing things?
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Wow....complete meltdown by Lefty. Maybe you should give him a call Tower and calm him down?
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50 year old nerves. Playing like crap for two years except against other seniors. There was no way this was ever going to be smooth.
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50 year old nerves. Playing like crap for two years except against other seniors. There was no way this was ever going to be smooth.
Tournament is wide open tomorrow. I think anyone E or better has a chance. Lefty is still a magician with the flop shot. I still can't figure out how he hits the bump and run with a 60 degree.
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The only way someone at even wins is if there is no wind until about 4:00 EDT. They get in with a 68 or so and watch the leaders melt in the wind.
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There will be no wind basically in the morning but at most it will get to 12-13 in the afternoon. But apparently the wind will be coming the opposite direction. I think there are several guys with the firepower to tear up the course early. De Charcuterie is only 5 off the lead.
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I would be absolutely stunned if there was a 65 out there for a chaser.
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I would be absolutely stunned if there was a 65 out there for a chaser.
Ya....I guess you're right. No one seemed to be lighting it up with the putter.
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With Stricker and Harrington tied, they should be paired up and put something on the side. Like a free Captain's pick. Or the loser has to wear the other team's colors on the first day.
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With Stricker and Harrington tied, they should be paired up and put something on the side. Like a free Captain's pick. Or the loser has to wear the other team's colors on the first day.
Stricker can still swing it. I watched him for about 20 mins at the University Ridge range. It's beyond belief how good these guys are. He was hitting targets like Rowsey shot free throws.
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Mickelson got through three rounds with decent scores each day. He has the ability to shape shots in the wind, so I think he will be there at the end. Koepka and Oosthuizen also strike the ball so pure, so they are good wind players as well. I think the winner will come from one of these guys.
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If Koepka or Louie could putt, they would be at -10. Koepka the Borg gets it done.
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If Koepka or Louie could putt, they would be at -10. Koepka the Borg gets it done.
But what if I don't want him to win? Who steps up among those sitting 3/4 strokes back?
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Your wants have very little to do with the outcome. The low round for the week is 67. It would be a shocker if somebody shoots better than that today. The odds of all three of the leaders spitting the bit is slim. All 3 know how to win.
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Your wants have very little to do with the outcome. The low round for the week is 67. It would be a shocker if somebody shoots better than that today. The odds of all three of the leaders spitting the bit is slim. All 3 know how to win.
Okay Tower. .....hopefully Phil finds a way.
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Go. Louis.
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Go Phil.
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Low scores out there for the guys going out early. Could bring in the guys at even, Muggsy.
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This is setting up perfectly for a guy like Koepka, who can make all the shots and who repeatedly has had nerves of steel in these situations.
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This is setting up perfectly for a guy like Koepka, who can make all the shots and who repeatedly has had nerves of steel in these situations.
It may be over after that two shot swing on 1. Terrible hole for Lefty.
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It may be over after that two shot swing on 1. Terrible hole for Lefty.
I love it when the PGA plays on tough courses and sets them up hard . Brings out the best in the most elite players.
Lets see what happens down the stretch.
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It may be over after that two shot swing on 1. Terrible hole for Lefty.
And Koepka butchers two.
While Streelman hacks up 3.
Game on
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And Koepka butchers two. Game on
Wow...you wouldn't have doubled there Tower imo.
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His 4th shot was an impossible lie. Nobody on the planet gets it close from there. And only the lucky get it on the green.
Phil could not go for the flag on 3. But he did.
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His 4th shot was an impossible lie. Nobody on the planet gets it close from there. And only the lucky get it on the green.
Phil could not go for the flag on 3. But he did.
This thing is wide, wide, open. Who makes a birdie run 5-12?
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Bam!! Huge hole out from the bunker for Lefty on 5!!
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This is one crazy round. No one is playing well at the top.
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Koepka proving me wrong, as he cracks under pressure. Mickelson, meanwhile, has been one cool customer even as he rides the waves of the crowd's emotion.
Fun stuff!
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I am happy. Going to be a far too interesting final 8 holes. I hope Phil holds on and makes history.
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Man, was I wrong about Koepka. Too many loose shots, too many cruddy putts. He's toast now.
I hope somebody makes Phil sweat because I love a dramatic finish, but if not this is a tremendous story. If Phil holds on to win, it might end up being the top sports story this year, and that hole-out from the bunker will be a legendary shot.
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Man, was I wrong about Koepka. Too many loose shots, too many cruddy putts. He's toast now.
I hope somebody makes Phil sweat because I love a dramatic finish, but if not this is a tremendous story. If Phil holds on to win, it might end up being the top sports story this year, and that hole-out from the bunker will be a legendary shot.
Louie is the only one with a shot so to speak. Koepka going 7, 6, 6, on the Par 5's is inexplicable. Has looked awful since the 1st hole.
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And then there were none.
I think Phil has slow played Brooks out of his rhythm.
Tiger now has a goal. He can't let Phil have this record forever. Probably sitting at home cursing the rest of the field for falling away.
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And then there were none.
I think Phil has slow played Brooks out of his rhythm.
Tiger now has a goal. He can't let Phil have this record forever. Probably sitting at home cursing the rest of the field for falling away.
Omg!! How can you make that mistake Phil??? Smh.
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Yup. One job.
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Mr Nielsen
Can you post TV ratings when this PGA hampionsbip is completed ? Thanks.
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Yup. One job.
Freaking crazy!! Why would he go anywhere near there? I still think he holds on but wow.. .just wow
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Oh......boy. Not over.
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Gack.
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That should do it. I thought Louie was gonna sink that Eagle on 16.
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Phils got it.
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This is still historic despite the topsy-turvy component. I mean NO ONE saw this coming.
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Amazing story.
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I love how Phil told his wife on the phone after the win :I will see you tonight. Another day in the office win a PGA and get on the Gulfstream and be home for desert.
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I love how Phil told his wife on the phone after the win :I will see you tonight. Another day in the office win a PGA and get on the Gulfstream and be home for desert.
I was super surprised with the scores among the last 4 or 5 groups. I guess the wind kicked up but It didn't look like the course was impossible. The Irish guys went sub 70.
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I was super surprised with the scores among the last 4 or 5 groups. I guess the wind kicked up but It didn't look like the course was impossible. The Irish guys went sub 70.
There were very few opportunities for birdies . The event played more like a US Open in that regard
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There were very few opportunities for birdies . The event played more like a US Open in that regard
I thought there was a bit of gagging Herman to be quite honest. I just didn't expect all those loose shots. It's possible the fans being back played a role? Now the wind did change , but no one really shot a great round that was in contention.
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I thought there was a bit of gagging Herman to be quite honest. I just didn't expect all those loose shots. It's possible the fans being back played a role? Now the wind did change , but no one really shot a great round that was in contention.
I wouldn't call it gagging. Two groups of people in the final group, those with a lot to lose, and those with nothing to lose. The first group played it safe, leaving few birdie opportunities. The second group was aggressive, some of those it worked for and they put up lower scores, others it backfired, and they dropped back.
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I wouldn't call it gagging. Two groups of people in the final group, those with a lot to lose, and those with nothing to lose. The first group played it safe, leaving few birdie opportunities. The second group was aggressive, some of those it worked for and they put up lower scores, others it backfired, and they dropped back.
That may be accurate. Koepka complaining about his knee and the crowd seems pretty lame.
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Almost 51 year old beats all the young guns on the longest course (7850 yards) ever at a major. And he was driving it as far as Brooks, Bryson and Rory. F’ing amazing.
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Almost 51 year old beats all the young guns on the longest course (7850 yards) ever at a major. And he was driving it as far as Brooks, Bryson and Rory. F’ing amazing.
Saw them put up the stat that he had the longest drive out of everyone on the Par 5 16th, damn impressive.
I've always liked Phil, really happy for him.
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I’m a little surprised how Koepka has performed down the stretch the last few majors he’s been in contention. He was a borderline robot and just imposed his will when winning. But lately he seems to be pretty rattled and struggled when he was in contention.
I don’t know how much is the knee or he’s feeling pressure now that he’s the hunted.
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I’m a little surprised how Koepka has performed down the stretch the last few majors he’s been in contention. He was a borderline robot and just imposed his will when winning. But lately he seems to be pretty rattled and struggled when he was in contention.
I don’t know how much is the knee or he’s feeling pressure now that he’s the hunted.
Regardless if his knee got dinged by crowds like he talked about, he’s barely 2 months from a non-minor knee surgery on his knee cap and ligaments. He had trouble moving well at the Masters. The fact that he was contending this week is frankly pretty remarkable. He’s not been healthy consistently since 2019 which I think has contributed to some of his results.
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I’m a little surprised how Koepka has performed down the stretch the last few majors he’s been in contention. He was a borderline robot and just imposed his will when winning. But lately he seems to be pretty rattled and struggled when he was in contention.
I don’t know how much is the knee or he’s feeling pressure now that he’s the hunted.
The announcers kept saying he had a hard time getting through the ball with his swing because of the knees. If that ends up sapping a little bit of his confidence and commitment it could end up costing him a stroke a round .
Which is the difference between winning and second.
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Were you watching him squat to read putts? That showed the range of movement and strength he currently has in his right knee?
It was his force of will that got him that far. He has a lot of work to do before Torrey Pines.
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Were you watching him squat to read putts? That showed the range of movement and strength he currently has in his right knee?
It was his force of will that got him that far. He has a lot of work to do before Torrey Pines.
I was watching on my phone on a plane, so didn’t have a great view. I had forgotten about his injuries. Plus, for some reason I thought his wins were more dominant in the final round.
All in all, not my greatest take. The price you pay when using a faulty memory.
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Were you watching him squat to read putts? That showed the range of movement and strength he currently has in his right knee?
It was his force of will that got him that far. He has a lot of work to do before Torrey Pines.
Dude banked $1.1 mil. last weekend. He's good, aina?
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Dude banked $1.1 mil. last weekend. He's good, aina?
Guys like him already have generational wealth secured. They are all about the majors and their "legacy," nu?
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Lol...
https://uproxx.com/sports/brooks-koepka-bryson-dechambeau-hate-interview-outtake-video/
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Lol...
https://uproxx.com/sports/brooks-koepka-bryson-dechambeau-hate-interview-outtake-video/
As someone who actually likes both of them, this is hysterical. Koepka’s lack of filter and inability to put on any sort of facade when it comes to any antiquated “etiquette” make him a great interview. The blatantly loud “clack clack” was just perfect
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Brooks called out Bryson for slow play a few years ago. Bryson confronted him. Stylistically, they are oil and water. Bryson is so meticulous in his course prep, pre tournament prep, and then shot prep. Brooks is more along the lines of 'see ball hit ball.
Two things I have contemplated before. 1. Is a secondary reason for Bryson bulking up to keep Brook from kicking his ass?
2. Was Phil's pre shot routine also an attempt to slow play Koekpa?
Anyway, looking forward to the first time Brooks and Bryson are in the final group together on Sunday. And, if Phil can make the Ryder Cup team, he should be paired with Bryson.
Finally, I watched that video three times and laughed harder each time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJiAK-s5a0
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I really like Koepka. His GQ interview awhile back painted a great picture of him. He reminds me of Cutler a bit, but Koepka wears it better because he doesn't play a team sport. Also I think Koepka has much more invested in his own success than Cutler, but at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised to see him walk away from the game earlier than most that have had his level of success.
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Brooks called out Bryson for slow play a few years ago. Bryson confronted him. Stylistically, they are oil and water. Bryson is so meticulous in his course prep, pre tournament prep, and then shot prep. Brooks is more along the lines of 'see ball hit ball.
Two things I have contemplated before. 1. Is a secondary reason for Bryson bulking up to keep Brook from kicking his ass?
2. Was Phil's pre shot routine also an attempt to slow play Koekpa?
Anyway, looking forward to the first time Brooks and Bryson are in the final group together on Sunday. And, if Phil can make the Ryder Cup team, he should be paired with Bryson.
Finally, I watched that video three times and laughed harder each time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJiAK-s5a0
I think Koepka also made some comments about DeChambeau looking for relief from “fire ants” in a tournament not too long ago.
I think Koepka can be a choad at times but thought that video was hilarious.
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And then there were none.
I think Phil has slow played Brooks out of his rhythm.
Koepka referenced Phil's gamesmanship in his interview. I thought I spotted it.