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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: PGsHeroes32 on November 19, 2021, 07:21:57 AM
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https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/bracketology/ncaa-bracketology-projecting-2022-march-madness-men-field
Obviously meaningless. But I truly thought we would not be on this all year.
So to be listed here on the first in season up date was kinda cool.
Let’s hope it becomes a trend
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TBW!
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That is awesome. :)
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Long way to go.
Early encouragement and this is where I thought we should be, but there is a lot of basketball to be played before I make my plans for Indianapolis.
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Long way to go.
Early encouragement and this is where I thought we should be, but there is a lot of basketball to be played before I make my plans for Indianapolis.
I believe, based on this very exciting, totally accurate, and absolutely not premature information, your focus should be on making plans for New Orleans.
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Long way to go.
Early encouragement and this is where I thought we should be, but there is a lot of basketball to be played before I make my plans for Indianapolis.
Long way to go until we get our spot in the 1 seed.
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FYI, MU is the number one team in the country right now, according to Wins Above Bubble.
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FYI, MU is the number one team in the country right now, according to Wins Above Bubble.
WE ARE #1!!!
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Lunardi has MU back in the tourney, as one of the last four in.
Still crazy to think this is a bubble team?
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1478825645555789835
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FYI, MU is the number one team in the country right now, according to Wins Above Bubble.
It’s banner time!
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Banner Time
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When Donna was younger she posed on a Harley in a black bikini. She's seventy now. She grew up in Buffalo and every Christmas she sends me a package of goodies: Horseradish cheese and mustard. I enjoy it every year. And that is what endures. Sharing, and remembering special times. 1977. There were so many good teams that year. The Running Rebels and Univ of San Francisco. And then MU ran into the Tar Heels with Dean Smith and Phil Ford. The four corners. And the game was boring because of it, and then MU got a lead and the crowd cheered because they came to see bb, not stagnation. Butch Lee (who was born in Porto Rico) was the first Latin American born athlete to play in the NBA. He was an All- American in both his junior and senior seasons at Marquette. MVP of that final game. His first name is actually Alfred. He wore #15.
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Lunardi has MU back in the tourney, as one of the last four in.
Still crazy to think this is a bubble team?
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1478825645555789835
Preseason? 100%. But that's why games aren't played on paper
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When Donna was younger she posed on a Harley in a black bikini. She's seventy now. She grew up in Buffalo and every Christmas she sends me a package of goodies: Horseradish cheese and mustard. I enjoy it every year. And that is what endures. Sharing, and remembering special times. 1977. There were so many good teams that year. The Running Rebels and Univ of San Francisco. And then MU ran into the Tar Heels with Dean Smith and Phil Ford. The four corners. And the game was boring because of it, and then MU got a lead and the crowd cheered because they came to see bb, not stagnation. Butch Lee (who was born in Porto Rico) was the first Latin American born athlete to play in the NBA. He was an All- American in both his junior and senior seasons at Marquette. MVP of that final game. His first name is actually Alfred. He wore #15.
The stall is what allowed Marquette to win. Why Dean Smith did it was the biggest gift ever given to Marquette. Maybe Dean Smith knew it was Al's last game and showed him some class.
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When Donna was younger she posed on a Harley in a black bikini. She's seventy now. She grew up in Buffalo and every Christmas she sends me a package of goodies: Horseradish cheese and mustard. I enjoy it every year. And that is what endures. Sharing, and remembering special times. 1977. There were so many good teams that year. The Running Rebels and Univ of San Francisco. And then MU ran into the Tar Heels with Dean Smith and Phil Ford. The four corners. And the game was boring because of it, and then MU got a lead and the crowd cheered because they came to see bb, not stagnation. Butch Lee (who was born in Porto Rico) was the first Latin American born athlete to play in the NBA. He was an All- American in both his junior and senior seasons at Marquette. MVP of that final game. His first name is actually Alfred. He wore #15.
Proud history going back decades and decades before ‘77 season. I hope I get to see one in my lifetime. Thanks for sharing
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Preseason? 100%. But that's why games aren't played on paper
I thought they were decided via KenPom predictions.
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Banner Time
Happy hour from 9-10pm could be dangerous.
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Dean didn't gift it. He wanted it as much as anyone in that situation. MU played hard defense and stole the ball and got it up the court and scored. They put the pressure on and jumped into the passing lanes-- and maybe the Tar Heels got sloppy and lazy on their passes. They couldn't score and MU took over. Al kicked Dean's butt up and down the street in Atlanta, and everyone one danced.
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I was as excited as anyone for Marquette. I was a Freshman in McCormick that year.
I am just providing an alternate explanation of events.
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Oilcan, where's that picture of Donna in the bikini?
I only ask because I wonder which Harley model it was.
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I was as excited as anyone for Marquette. I was a Freshman in McCormick that year.
I am just providing an alternate explanation of events.
(https://c.tenor.com/lmia6d47uykAAAAM/oh-me-too-bro.gif)
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Low expectation cult to swoop in a squash the enthusiasm
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Jay Bilas has Marquette at #63 on January 4th before the Providence Game.
63. Marquette Golden Eagles
Shaka Smart immediately raised expectations in Year 1 by pummeling Illinois into submission and beating West Virginia early, but an 0-3 start to Big East play is perhaps a better representation of where this team is. Marquette is very young -- NBA prospect Justin Lewis and longtime reserve wing Greg Elliott are the only current Golden Eagles who received significant minutes on last year's squad. This team may look better on its second trip through the Big East.
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This team may look better on its second trip through the Big East.
This is definitely possible. When is the last time a Marquette team was playing its best basketball at the end of the season? Buzz years is my guess.
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Buzz teams. We always got frustrated early in the year. Usually in early December, he would mention he hadn't installed the offense yet.
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Jay Bilas is a class act.
A glass half full kind of guy.
It will be fun to see the rest of the season play out.
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In at a No. 11 Seed. Sign me up.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
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“A young, dangerous team no 6 or 7 seed wants to see… led by freshman Justin Lewis”
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“A young, dangerous team no 6 or 7 seed wants to see… led by freshman Justin Lewis”
I'm not the only one who believes last saeson was a bad dream and acts as if last year never happened.
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“A young, dangerous team no 6 or 7 seed wants to see… led by freshman Justin Lewis”
who said this
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Steve Lavin agreed that we will be dancing after tonight’s Georgetown win.
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In at a No. 11 Seed. Sign me up.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
They have Marquette vs Wake Forest for a play-in game.
Would be fun with having a brother-in-law and sister-in-law being Wake Forest graduates.
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They have Marquette vs Wake Forest for a play-in game.
Would be fun with having a brother-in-law and sister-in-law being Wake Forest graduates.
I think this team would be really dangerous in the play-in, especially on Tuesday. Potentially facing three teams that would have one day to prep for our defense and style, which is pretty unique. I don't think many teams would handle the Violence defense well with short prep.
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Steve Lavin agreed that we will be dancing after tonight’s Georgetown win.
Lavin also agreed with my Steve Nash -Tyler Kolek assessment.😂
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I think this team would be really dangerous in the play-in, especially on Tuesday. Potentially facing three teams that would have one day to prep for our defense and style, which is pretty unique. I don't think many teams would handle the Violence defense well with short prep.
First Four worked for Shaka once before.
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Steve Lavin agreed that we will be dancing after tonight’s Georgetown win.
Seems more like Travis diener to me
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Better passer, not even in the ballgame when it comes to shooting. Tonight he was outstanding, when he scores 8-10 points MU chances to win go way up. Throw in OMAX scoring and they will be really hard to beat. Fun team to watch last 2 games!
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Ha! Saw my mistake.
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On Bracketville we went from last four in prior to the Creighton loss to at worst the 9th to last team in today.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
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In at a No. 11 Seed. Sign me up.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
That bracket lists SJU in as a #13 seed and automatic qualifier. So he's predicting a mad run through the BET after a typical SJU regular season? Bold.
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That bracket lists SJU in as a #13 seed and automatic qualifier. So he's predicting a mad run through the BET after a typical SJU regular season? Bold.
SJU was in first place in conference at 1-0 entering today. That’s why they are in as an autobid.
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interesting lunardi now has a play by play, minute by minute bracketology going
not that i care but i am surprised he only gives buckshot a 6 seed
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SJU was in first place in conference at 1-0 entering today. That’s why they are in as an autobid.
That's why I've changed to using highest rated NET team as my autobids. Because St John's as a 13 looks ridiculous. I considered kenpom, but figured NET is similar enough and the official NCAA tool, so better to use that.
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On Bracketville we went from last four in prior to the Creighton loss to at worst the 9th to last team in today.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
Marquette is #35 on today’s Bracketville Seed List or S Curve
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Marquette is #35 on today’s Bracketville Seed List or S Curve
Today's Bracketville bracket also has #7 seed UK playing #10 seed UL in Milwaukee. I know the odds of it actually happening are tiny, but if it did the value of tix for the Milwaukee pod would skyrocket. It also has KU in the same session. Cha-ching!
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Today's Bracketville bracket also has #7 seed UK playing #10 seed UL in Milwaukee. I know the odds of it actually happening are tiny, but if it did the value of tix for the Milwaukee pod would skyrocket. It also has KU in the same session. Cha-ching!
That all goes to the Bucks right? MU doesn't see a penny?
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That all goes to the Bucks right? MU doesn't see a penny?
Most of the tickets are already sold - many to MU STHs, so those who already bought tickets are the ones who stand to reap the jackpots in the second hand market. To directly answer your question, I don't know who makes the $$ on this for the original ticket sales.
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Most of the tickets are already sold - many to MU STHs, so those who already bought tickets are the ones who stand to reap the jackpots in the second hand market. To directly answer your question, I don't know who makes the $$ on this for the original ticket sales.
Yeah - that's what I was talking about; the secondary market in the (unlikely) event it works out that way.
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Today's Bracketville bracket also has #7 seed UK playing #10 seed UL in Milwaukee. I know the odds of it actually happening are tiny, but if it did the value of tix for the Milwaukee pod would skyrocket. It also has KU in the same session. Cha-ching!
I see Iowa State listed in Milwaukee. Last tournament in Milwaukee it seemed like Iowa State had 10,000 at the Bradley Center.
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Most of the tickets are already sold - many to MU STHs, so those who already bought tickets are the ones who stand to reap the jackpots in the second hand market. To directly answer your question, I don't know who makes the $$ on this for the original ticket sales.
Unfortunately no one makes money in the second hand ticket market anymore other than the resellers. Most people wait to last minute to purchase when the floor drops out of the market. With all the fees, it’s hard to price high enough to break even.
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Unfortunately no one makes money in the second hand ticket market anymore other than the resellers. Most people wait to last minute to purchase when the floor drops out of the market. With all the fees, it’s hard to price high enough to break even.
My best friend during the time I lived in Minneapolis was a professional scalper. That's what he did for a living. He'd get to the Metrodome for a Vikings game at about 9 a.m., buy as many tickets as he could from fans with extra seats at prices that he believed would let him make a profit, and then sell them for more. Did the same for Twins, Timberwolves, Gophers and North Stars (and later Wild). He always wanted the teams to win because he was a fan, of course, but mostly because winning team = bigger profits. He had business cards made up and everything, had quite a few regular clients. Scalping was illegal but the cops mostly looked the other way; he'd give some of them tickets every now and then.
He died about 10 years ago. He'd have hated to have seen his "profession" basically blown up.
But as a consumer, it is awfully easy to buy tickets now. I thought about going to the Hornets-Pistons game last week. A Wednesday night game against one of the NBA's worst teams -- upper level center-court tickets were available on Vivid Seats for $4 the day before the game. Four dollars! The fees were probably double that.
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Lunardi update has us top of the last 4 byes.
So 7 teams behind us currently.
Playing…..Texas
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Where we sit now is irrelevant. All about projecting where we’ll be at the end of the year.
Minnesota will be listed in all these “as of today” brackets - who cares? They won’t be there. We know that.
Likewise, MU may fall out when they get into the post-DePaul games & lose a bunch. But, they can climb back with the soft end of the year slate.
As of today no Matta.
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Where we sit now is irrelevant. All about projecting where we’ll be at the end of the year.
Minnesota will be listed in all these “as of today” brackets - who cares? They won’t be there. We know that.
Likewise, MU may fall out when they get into the post-DePaul games & lose a bunch. But, they can climb back with the soft end of the year slate.
As of today no Matta.
No sh it
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Where we sit now is irrelevant. All about projecting where we’ll be at the end of the year.
Minnesota will be listed in all these “as of today” brackets - who cares? They won’t be there. We know that.
Likewise, MU may fall out when they get into the post-DePaul games & lose a bunch. But, they can climb back with the soft end of the year slate.
As of today no Matta.
I am now stupider for reading this.
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Lunardi update has us top of the last 4 byes.
So 7 teams behind us currently.
Playing…..Texas
They obviously have plenty of opportunities in the B12, but Texas's resume is a little weak right now.
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Where we sit now is irrelevant. All about projecting where we’ll be at the end of the year.
Minnesota will be listed in all these “as of today” brackets - who cares? They won’t be there. We know that.
Likewise, MU may fall out when they get into the post-DePaul games & lose a bunch. But, they can climb back with the soft end of the year slate.
As of today no Matta.
This is the hard hitting analysis we missed when you were gone. #permabannedscreenshot
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Yesterday Morning Lunardi had Marquette on Top of Last Four Byes. Last night Lunardi moved us up into the field further but not sure where
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Bracketology 2022: Oregon, Marquette, and Auburn among latest winners
by Joey Loose17h ago
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette or Us as a 10 seed playing North Carolina in Indianapolis
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette or Us as a 10 seed playing North Carolina in Indianapolis
Kur might break the NCAA record for single game blocks on Dawson alone if that plays out.
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette or Us as a 10 seed playing North Carolina in Indianapolis
Would be an interesting game. Theyd have to potential to clean our clocks if hot with their collection of guards and Bacot down low(along with whatever Dawson and Manek provide)
But we could also do something similar to what we did last year.to them.
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Would be an interesting game. Theyd have to potential to clean our clocks if hot with their collection of guards and Bacot down low(along with whatever Dawson and Manek provide)
But we could also do something similar to what we did last year.to them.
A fun scenario would be playing 7 seed UNC in our first game, 2 seed Duke in the Round of 32 and then 6 seed Texas in the S16 followed by beating 1 seeded UCLA in the Elite 8 to give ourselves a fourth Final Four.
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A fun scenario would be playing 7 seed UNC in our first game, 2 seed Duke in the Round of 32 and then 6 seed Texas in the S16 followed by beating 1 seeded UCLA in the Elite 8 to give ourselves a fourth Final Four.
You're right ... that would be fun.
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A fun scenario would be playing 7 seed UNC in our first game, 2 seed Duke in the Round of 32 and then 6 seed Texas in the S16 followed by beating 1 seeded UCLA in the Elite 8 to give ourselves a fourth Final Four.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but there's no way Duke and UNC would be in the same pod, especially with the ACC probably getting 4-5 bids, at best.
Though 7-seed Marquette playing 10-seed Texas A&M would still be fun...
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Then replace 2 seed Duke with Bucky. My Badger friends believe they deserve a 2 seed....
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Then replace 2 seed Duke with Bucky. My Badger friends believe they deserve a 2 seed....
Nah
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Then replace 2 seed Duke with Bucky. My Badger friends believe they deserve a 2 seed....
Yes, please.
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette or Us as a 10 seed playing North Carolina in Indianapolis
The only thing accurate about that is MU being in. UNC is garbage. Passing on Wes Miller for Hubert Davis is going to haunt them. Doherty 2.0
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Not Lunardi, but Dave Ommen who has been better than Lunardi historically.
26th (2nd best 7 seed) on today's S Curve.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/s-curve/
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Not Lunardi, but Dave Ommen who has been better than Lunardi historically.
26th (2nd best 7 seed) on today's S Curve.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/s-curve/
I was having trouble finding MU on his seed list, but only because I was looking too low.
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Not Lunardi, but Dave Ommen who has been better than Lunardi historically.
26th (2nd best 7 seed) on today's S Curve.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/s-curve/
Badgers a 1 seed. Yikes
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Badgers a 1 seed. Yikes
Don’t worry about them. 2 double digit wins since December 1st, one of those by 10. They’d be vastly over seeded at 1 and ripe for an upset
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Does the Villanova win move us to a 7 at the moment? A 6?
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Yeah we are
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Don’t we now have tied for the most Q1 wins in the country?
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Don’t we now have tied for the most Q1 wins in the country?
Almost, tied for second with Bucky. Baylor alone in first with 6. Providence is close to a Q1 win though, 2 spots shy
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Updated to a 7 seed now
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Question for brew. Why is Iowa considered a firm in with the resume they have? In most brackets they are right around us and frequently ahead.
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Bracketville has Marquette as a 5 seed this morning.
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Bracketville has Marquette as a 5 seed this morning.
Great we can play this years version of Ja Morant!
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The Athletic has Marquette as a 7 seed as of today.
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This might sound crazy but, I think that being a 4,5,12,13 seed would be our best route to the Sweet 16 and then possibly the Elite 8.
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Lunardi has us playing Porter Moser round one, wow the irony --> then Duke, wow the irony II --> then Kentucky who we absolutely own in the tourney --> now we're in the E8 against Arizona.
I'll take it.
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This might sound crazy but, I think that being a 4,5,12,13 seed would be our best route to the Sweet 16 and then possibly the Elite 8.
Yes - much better to be an 11 or 12 than and 8 or 9 if we want to make the S16 and about the same being an 11 or 7 as a 7. But the big jump is if we can get to the 6 line.
https://www.boydsbets.com/bracket-tips-by-seed/
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Question for brew. Why is Iowa considered a firm in with the resume they have? In most brackets they are right around us and frequently ahead.
Likely because their NET is in the low 20s. The reason their NET is in the low 20s is because they have 9 wins of 17 or more points. They annihilated their 8 non-conference cupcakes (4 of which are sub-300 in NET) and blew out a solid Utah State team on a neutral court.
If I was on the committee, I would have some questions about their 0-4 record in Q1 games...not to mention their loss to a Rutgers team ranked outside the top 100 where they only scored 46 points.
EDIT: Fun numbers:
Iowa's average margin of victory against non-high majors: 29 (across 9 games)
Iowa's average margin of victory against high majors: -1.89 (across 9 games)
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Likely because their NET is in the low 20s. The reason their NET is in the low 20s is because they have 9 wins of 17 or more points. They annihilated their 8 non-conference cupcakes (4 of which are sub-300 in NET) and blew out a solid Utah State team on a neutral court.
If I was on the committee, I would have some questions about their 0-4 record in Q1 games...not to mention their loss to a Rutgers team ranked outside the top 100 where they only scored 46 points.
EDIT: Fun numbers:
Iowa's average margin of victory against non-high majors: 29 (across 9 games)
Iowa's average margin of victory against high majors: -1.89 (across 9 games)
Does that mean teams should schedule cupcakes instead of middle of the road teams?
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Likely because their NET is in the low 20s. The reason their NET is in the low 20s is because they have 9 wins of 17 or more points. They annihilated their 8 non-conference cupcakes (4 of which are sub-300 in NET) and blew out a solid Utah State team on a neutral court.
If I was on the committee, I would have some questions about their 0-4 record in Q1 games...not to mention their loss to a Rutgers team ranked outside the top 100 where they only scored 46 points.
EDIT: Fun numbers:
Iowa's average margin of victory against non-high majors: 29 (across 9 games)
Iowa's average margin of victory against high majors: -1.89 (across 9 games)
I think the wording would be average scoring margin. You can't win by a negative amount. I'm assuming the high major number includes their losses.
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Texas is another school that highlights the downsides of NET. They pounded their Q4 teams (9-0), but haven’t done a whole lot else.
Comparing them to MU:
Mutual wins against Kansas State and West Virginia.
Texas other good wins:
Oklahoma
@Stanford
MU other good wins:
@nova
Seton hall
Providence
Illinois
Ole Miss
Texas = 18 NET
MU = 33 NET
There’s a lot of value in beating bad teams by a lot, something MU failed to do. The NET needs to continue to work to limit that factor since it is not good for the game. It’s so important to getting a bid. Teams need to run up the score whenever they can.
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I think the wording would be average scoring margin. You can't win by a negative amount. I'm assuming the high major number includes their losses.
Scoring margin would have been more correct to say.
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Question for brew. Why is Iowa considered a firm in with the resume they have? In most brackets they are right around us and frequently ahead.
It's definitely their metrics. I had a lot of trouble seeding them because when you look at wins of substance, there's not much there. I suspect that's why I differ from the bracketmatrix consensus, which has them at a seven while I had them a 9.
When I'm making my S-Curve, I usually list teams by NET ranking and then batch resumes that are similar. If you're a top-25 NET team, you'll almost certainly get in, especially from a high-major league. But if they end up 9-11 in conference with no wins bigger than Indiana, don't be surprised to see them get left out.
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Does that mean teams should schedule cupcakes instead of middle of the road teams?
Not necessarily. Scheduling a sub-300 cupcake is only a benefit to you if you can blow them out by 25+ (which Iowa did). If you schedule a middle of the road team (say 150-200), you only need to blow them out by 15+ to be a benefit...and if you blow them out by 25+ it's even more valuable than blowing out a cupcake by the same amount. But it is usually easier to run up the score on cupcakes than it is on solid mid-majors so there probably is some wisdom in scheduling more of them.
It is a flaw in the NET that I hope they address in the future. You should get credit for blowing out cupcakes, but not as much credit as NET seems to give.
Also, I have been talking about scoring margin, but technically I should be talking about efficiency margin. NET caps the value of scoring margin at 10 so winning by more than 10 doesn't help in that sense. But there is no cap on efficiency in NET so running up the score still helps. Generally, the larger the scoring margin, the larger the efficiency margin but it's not a 1 to 1 comparison. If one team blows out another by 20 in a 80 possession game, that is less efficient than a team that wins by 16 in a 60 possession game
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But there is no cap on efficiency in NET so running up the score still helps. Generally, the larger the scoring margin, the larger the efficiency margin but it's not a 1 to 1 comparison. If one team blows out another by 20 in a 80 possession game, that is less efficient than a team that wins by 16 in a 60 possession game
I think that's the trickiest part to a regressive efficiency model. It's pretty easy when you're diminishing the value of points, but it's harder to devalue possessions in a 40 point game vs a 30 point game while having to factor in close margins at full value.
But that's why the NCAA should be employing mathematicians to answer exactly that.
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Updated to a 7 seed now
Yes Lunardi has us as the 3rd 7 Seed and #27 on the overall seed line. Behind # 25 Seton Hall #26 Texas and Ahead of #28 Iowa
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CBS Sports Jerry Palm has Marquette as a 6 seed today.
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CBS Sports Jerry Palm has Marquette as a 6 seed today.
Also has Providence as a 2, which is almost as crazy as the guy that has Oregon State in as an at-large.
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Also has Providence as a 2, which is almost as crazy as the guy that has Oregon State in as an at-large.
Jerry Palm - Subpar bracketologist.
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Jerry Palm - Subpar bracketologist.
He’s quite bad and should be ignored
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He’s quite bad and should be ignored
That's the chicos bat signal
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That's the chicos bat signal
Is he a Palm defender?
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It's absolutely wonderful to promote great sportsmanship by incentivizing superior teams to beat overmatched opponents by 35 instead of "only" 20.
It's also great to incentivize the winners to keep their starters and top subs in, and risk injury to them, just to run up the score. (Or to try to make the score closer at the end, if you're the team that's losing.)
Brilliant thinking, whoever came up with that part of the NET formula. Bravo!
Remember how upset Shaka was when Schmidt called time-out with 2 minutes to go and his Bonnies leading by 25? Schmidt put in his scrubs but Shaka left Lewis in the game. Justin led us on 9-0 run to end the game, and we only lost by 16.
Rather than being upset, Shaka should have been hugging Schmidt for doing us such a huge favor.
Of course, had JL gotten hurt, it would have effectively ended our season. But he didn't, so it's all good!
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It's absolutely wonderful to promote great sportsmanship by incentivizing superior teams to beat overmatched opponents by 35 instead of "only" 20.
It's also great to incentivize the winners to keep their starters and top subs in, and risk injury to them, just to run up the score. (Or to try to make the score closer at the end, if you're the team that's losing.)
Brilliant thinking, whoever came up with that part of the NET formula. Bravo!
Remember how upset Shaka was when Schmidt called time-out with 2 minutes to go and his Bonnies leading by 25? Schmidt put in his scrubs but Shaka left Lewis in the game. Justin led us on 9-0 run to end the game, and we only lost by 16.
Rather than being upset, Shaka should have been hugging Schmidt for doing us such a huge favor.
Of course, had JL gotten hurt, it would have effectively ended our season. But he didn't, so it's all good!
Cause and effect? Shaka wasn't sending a message to Schmidt as much as he was sending one to his team.
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Cause and effect? Shaka wasn't sending a message to Schmidt as much as he was sending one to his team.
I didn't say he was sending a message to anybody.
Sorry, but giving a team more NET "points" for winning by 30 instead of 20 is stoopid.
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It's absolutely wonderful to promote great sportsmanship by incentivizing superior teams to beat overmatched opponents by 35 instead of "only" 20.
It's also great to incentivize the winners to keep their starters and top subs in, and risk injury to them, just to run up the score. (Or to try to make the score closer at the end, if you're the team that's losing.)
Brilliant thinking, whoever came up with that part of the NET formula. Bravo!
Remember how upset Shaka was when Schmidt called time-out with 2 minutes to go and his Bonnies leading by 25? Schmidt put in his scrubs but Shaka left Lewis in the game. Justin led us on 9-0 run to end the game, and we only lost by 16.
Rather than being upset, Shaka should have been hugging Schmidt for doing us such a huge favor.
Of course, had JL gotten hurt, it would have effectively ended our season. But he didn't, so it's all good!
This is really the heart of it. What gets measured matters. What matters creates incentives. So long as efficiency is so heavily weighted in the metrics, teams will hunt for any edge in the formulas.
I haven't been able to articulate why it has bugged me that margin of efficiency and blowouts seem so important these days, but this is kind of it.
The thing that really bugs me is the disproportionately bad impact of a low-margin win vs a team you're favored to beat compared to a low-margin upset win over a team you're expected to lose to. It just leads to odd mathematical results where a close win vs. SIUE = bad, a huge win vs Gtown = GREAT, and a 3 point win vs Nova = like pretty okay, but can you beat Gtown by 30 again? that would be better.
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I didn't say he was sending a message to anybody.
Sorry, but giving a team more NET "points" for winning by 30 instead of 20 is stoopid.
It is stoopid. Others like Haslam cut it off.
My point on Schmidt was you seemed to imply Shaka was mad at him for gaming the NET since you mentioned it. Sorry if I was wrong.
Shaka was mad as they called a running time out and they were out there celebrating. Shaka wanted to show his young team to never give up. Shaka was mad all game.
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It's absolutely wonderful to promote great sportsmanship by incentivizing superior teams to beat overmatched opponents by 35 instead of "only" 20.
It's also great to incentivize the winners to keep their starters and top subs in, and risk injury to them, just to run up the score. (Or to try to make the score closer at the end, if you're the team that's losing.)
Brilliant thinking, whoever came up with that part of the NET formula. Bravo!
Remember how upset Shaka was when Schmidt called time-out with 2 minutes to go and his Bonnies leading by 25? Schmidt put in his scrubs but Shaka left Lewis in the game. Justin led us on 9-0 run to end the game, and we only lost by 16.
Rather than being upset, Shaka should have been hugging Schmidt for doing us such a huge favor.
Of course, had JL gotten hurt, it would have effectively ended our season. But he didn't, so it's all good!
I don't give crape about sportsmanship in this case. I have had the score run up on me before. I preferred that to the other team pulling their starters and playing their scrubs. That always felt like a giant middle finger to me. I recognize others see it differently.
The injury is a real concern but not a major one for me. A guy can get injured playing in the last minute of a blowout or he can get injured walking down the street. The walk ons and scrubs are also just as likely to get injured in that last minute.
Shaka was upset because Schmidt took a full time out and was yucking it up with the Bonnie fans in the crowd. It seemed like Schmidt was elongating the game so he could bask in his fans appreciation a bit longer. A short time out to get his scrubs in wouldn't have elicited the same reaction from Shaka.
I will however agree that it is a flaw in the system and it leads to inaccurate rankings....though it's still lightyears better than RPI. I also do feel for the Scrubs and walk-ons. I don't have the data to back this up, but I imagine that they are getting a lot less playing time than they used to and that is unfortunate.
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I don't give crape about sportsmanship in this case. I have had the score run up on me before. I preferred that to the other team pulling their starters and playing their scrubs. That always felt like a giant middle finger to me. I recognize others see it differently.
The injury is a real concern but not a major one for me. A guy can get injured playing in the last minute of a blowout or he can get injured walking down the street. The walk ons and scrubs are also just as likely to get injured in that last minute.
Shaka was upset because Schmidt took a full time out and was yucking it up with the Bonnie fans in the crowd. It seemed like Schmidt was elongating the game so he could bask in his fans appreciation a bit longer. A short time out to get his scrubs in wouldn't have elicited the same reaction from Shaka.
I will however agree that it is a flaw in the system and it leads to inaccurate rankings....though it's still lightyears better than RPI. I also do feel for the Scrubs and walk-ons. I don't have the data to back this up, but I imagine that they are getting a lot less playing time than they used to and that is unfortunate.
In the grand context of what we're talking about, this last paragraph is all that matters.
Again, it is stoopid to tell a team winning by 22 that they really need to win by 32.
Also, is what jficke says about a 30-point win over a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible team being "better" in NET's world than a 3-point win at a great Nova team?
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In the grand context of what we're talking about, this last paragraph is all that matters.
Again, it is stoopid to tell a team winning by 22 that they really need to win by 32.
Also, is what jficke says about a 30-point win over a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible team being "better" in NET's world than a 3-point win at a great Nova team?
Agreed TAMU and 82 it is much better than the RPI. Can it be better? Sure. But it is already better than what we had.
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I don't give crape about sportsmanship in this case. I have had the score run up on me before. I preferred that to the other team pulling their starters and playing their scrubs. That always felt like a giant middle finger to me. I recognize others see it differently.
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The injury is a real concern but not a major one for me. A guy can get injured playing in the last minute of a blowout or he can get injured walking down the street. The walk ons and scrubs are also just as likely to get injured in that last minute.
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Shaka was upset because Schmidt took a full time out and was yucking it up with the Bonnie fans in the crowd. It seemed like Schmidt was elongating the game so he could bask in his fans appreciation a bit longer. A short time out to get his scrubs in wouldn't have elicited the same reaction from Shaka.
Yes. Timeout with a travel motion.
I will however agree that it is a flaw in the system and it leads to inaccurate rankings....though it's still lightyears better than RPI. I also do feel for the Scrubs and walk-ons. I don't have the data to back this up, but I imagine that they are getting a lot less playing time than they used to and that is unfortunate.
Yes
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People make too much out of the NET. If the NCAA simply went 1-46 to get through the at-large teams, seeded in NET order, it would be a problem. But they don't.
The NET is a sorting tool. If you're trying to figure out the top line, it's easier to look at the top 10-15 NET resumes, compare the result based metrics, the predictive metrics, and the records by quadrant, than it is to try to sort out 30-40 teams at once. NET is just allowing the Selection Committee to batch teams together better.
Would we rather have the RPI back? With Alabama at 3, Providence at 7, and Iona (15) and San Diego State (16) ahead of Baylor (17) and Purdue (18)? NET isn't perfect, but it's a much better sorting tool than what we had.
This is like Goodman's Twitter rant yesterday about how Wisconsin should be ranked higher in predictive metrics, which makes no sense because (1) they are programs that run results through formulas, (2) Pomeroy has explained exactly why some teams overperform his metric, and (3) Wisconsin was literally the example Pomeroy used in that explanation so all this shows is that his model is not program biased and MAYBE this Wisconsin team isn't as good as people think.
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Is he a Palm defender?
There was a time I thought he was his publicist.
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People make too much out of the NET. If the NCAA simply went 1-46 to get through the at-large teams, seeded in NET order, it would be a problem. But they don't.
The NET is a sorting tool. If you're trying to figure out the top line, it's easier to look at the top 10-15 NET resumes, compare the result based metrics, the predictive metrics, and the records by quadrant, than it is to try to sort out 30-40 teams at once. NET is just allowing the Selection Committee to batch teams together better.
Would we rather have the RPI back? With Alabama at 3, Providence at 7, and Iona (15) and San Diego State (16) ahead of Baylor (17) and Purdue (18)? NET isn't perfect, but it's a much better sorting tool than what we had.
This is like Goodman's Twitter rant yesterday about how Wisconsin should be ranked higher in predictive metrics, which makes no sense because (1) they are programs that run results through formulas, (2) Pomeroy has explained exactly why some teams overperform his metric, and (3) Wisconsin was literally the example Pomeroy used in that explanation so all this shows is that his model is not program biased and MAYBE this Wisconsin team isn't as good as people think.
The Wisconsin this is hilarious. For years they were “underrated” because their Pomeroy ranking was so high. This year they are so low, I’m guessing because they are 11th ranked in the luck metric and are 5-1 in games decided by 5 points or less.
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I love the NET when we are in the top 40 but hate it when we are 60 or worse.
There, I said it.
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SI has us as a 9 seed play #8 Miami is the West region
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People make too much out of the NET. If the NCAA simply went 1-46 to get through the at-large teams, seeded in NET order, it would be a problem. But they don't.
The NET is a sorting tool. If you're trying to figure out the top line, it's easier to look at the top 10-15 NET resumes, compare the result based metrics, the predictive metrics, and the records by quadrant, than it is to try to sort out 30-40 teams at once. NET is just allowing the Selection Committee to batch teams together better.
Would we rather have the RPI back? With Alabama at 3, Providence at 7, and Iona (15) and San Diego State (16) ahead of Baylor (17) and Purdue (18)? NET isn't perfect, but it's a much better sorting tool than what we had.
This is like Goodman's Twitter rant yesterday about how Wisconsin should be ranked higher in predictive metrics, which makes no sense because (1) they are programs that run results through formulas, (2) Pomeroy has explained exactly why some teams overperform his metric, and (3) Wisconsin was literally the example Pomeroy used in that explanation so all this shows is that his model is not program biased and MAYBE this Wisconsin team isn't as good as people think.
Good explainer.
It's still stoopid to incentivize 30-point vs 20-point wins.
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SI has us as a 9 seed play #8 Miami is the West region
I'd love to play them.
Would be great to play 38 year old Charlie Moore again as well. Whom I thought was finally gone for good until a couple weeks ago.
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I'd love to play them.
Would be great to play 38 year old Charlie Moore again as well. Whom I thought was finally gone for good until a couple weeks ago.
And playing the best basketball of his extremely long caereer.
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Good explainer.
It's still stoopid to incentivize 30-point vs 20-point wins.
And it's an easy mathematical tweak to turn it off.
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Would we rather have the RPI back? With Alabama at 3, Providence at 7, and Iona (15) and San Diego State (16) ahead of Baylor (17) and Purdue (18)?
God no. A 4th grader who reads the sports page would rank/seed college basketball teams far more accurately than the RPI.t Those guys are (and always have been) the absolute worst.
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7 seed with a favorable first round matchup in Stadium's projections
https://watchstadium.com/ncaa-tournament-projections-as-of-jan-24-01-24-2022/
The last 4 seed (!!!) on Bracketville. Bracketville has historically been one of the most accurate projections, ranking 9th out of 135 over the past five years and above all the big names.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/seed-list/
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
I'll defer to Brewcity who I know puts in way more hours on this than I do, but I'd have us as a 6 seed right now.
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I'd prefer a 10-14 seed over an 8 or 9.
6 would be my dream.
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I'd prefer a 10-14 seed over an 8 or 9.
6 would be my dream.
I'm just pleased as punch we get to talk about this right now.
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I'd prefer a 10-14 seed over an 8 or 9.
6 would be my dream.
I agree with this most years. I think it’s possible there is 1-2 really weak 1-seeds this year, though.
Still, anywhere off the 8-9 line would be great
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7 seed with a favorable first round matchup in Stadium's projections
https://watchstadium.com/ncaa-tournament-projections-as-of-jan-24-01-24-2022/
The last 4 seed (!!!) on Bracketville. Bracketville has historically been one of the most accurate projections, ranking 9th out of 135 over the past five years and above all the big names.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/seed-list/
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
I'll defer to Brewcity who I know puts in way more hours on this than I do, but I'd have us as a 6 seed right now.
My eyes bugged out when I saw Ommen's projection this morning. Planning to scrub today and tomorrow, but my guess would be in the 5-6 range right now. Our metrics drag us down a bit, but 6 Q1 wins and no losses outside the top two is really solid.
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Good explainer.
It's still stoopid to incentivize 30-point vs 20-point wins.
Mostly agree with everything you’ve said and would define it like this: nothing that happens in the game after the outcome is no longer in doubt should affect either teams NET. Seems like you could implement by having any plays that happen while one team has a higher than 99.9% win probability not count towards efficiency ratings.
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Mostly agree with everything you’ve said and would define it like this: nothing that happens in the game after the outcome is no longer in doubt should affect either teams NET. Seems like you could implement by having any plays that happen while one team has a higher than 99.9% win probability not count towards efficiency ratings.
Great teams embarrass their opponents
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Up to a 6 with Lunardi.
Joey and Co are the 3 seed.
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Up to a 6 with Lunardi.
Joey and Co are the 3 seed.
That would be amazing. Sparty turns the ball over a LOT but rebound very well. All fun speculation, however.
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Mostly agree with everything you’ve said and would define it like this: nothing that happens in the game after the outcome is no longer in doubt should affect either teams NET. Seems like you could implement by having any plays that happen while one team has a higher than 99.9% win probability not count towards efficiency ratings.
That change would make a lot of sense ... so there's probably no chance of it happening!
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Up to a 6 with Lunardi.
Joey and Co are the 3 seed.
Interesting no BE team on the bubble and 7 in. A bit gulf between top 7 and bottom 4.
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Up to a 6 with Lunardi.
Joey and Co are the 3 seed.
Not sure there's a team I would rather play than MSU in the second round. Justin would pull a Ja over Joey and send him packing.
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Interesting no BE team on the bubble and 7 in. A bit gulf between top 7 and bottom 4.
This "gulf" is real and is backed up when you look at adjusted offensive and defensive efficiencies for each team, as Paint Touches noted.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1485713853459664904?s=20
We win our games against the bottom 4 and go .500 against the other top 6 and we're doing more than ok.
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This "gulf" is real and is backed up when you look at adjusted offensive and defensive efficiencies for each team, as Paint Touches noted.
https://twitter.com/PaintTouches/status/1485713853459664904?s=20
We win our games against the bottom 4 and go .500 against the other top 6 and we're doing more than ok.
I mean, yeah...what you just described is a 14-6 Big East record. You could win the league with that.
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I mean, yeah...what you just described is a 14-6 Big East record. You could win the league with that.
To quote Legs, "Doable".
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I mean, yeah...what you just described is a 14-6 Big East record. You could win the league with that.
That would be groovy, baby!
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We win our games against the bottom 4 and go .500 against the other top 6 and we're doing more than ok.
I was going to make a post about being careful because the bottom 4 can sneak up on you...but then I looked and so far that's only true if you are Seton Hall. The top 7 are 18-2 against the bottom 4 so far and both losses are by Seton Hall (vs St. John's and @DePaul).
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I mean, yeah...what you just described is a 14-6 Big East record. You could win the league with that.
Unless providence Covid pauses all their remaining games to get the best win %
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That would be groovy, baby!
If we can split the next 4 games... all's I'm sayin
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I put St. John's in a bit of a different category than Georgetown, Butler and DePaul. The Johnnies' style, combined with the ability of Champagnie to take over a game, makes them more dangerous IMHO.
Georgetown and Butler are really bad. That better be 4-0. DePaul certainly should be 2-0 ... but we've had some good teams that have lost to some of their bad teams, so I'm always relieved when the games against them are over and we have the W.
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I was going to make a post about being careful because the bottom 4 can sneak up on you...but then I looked and so far that's only true if you are Seton Hall. The top 7 are 18-2 against the bottom 4 so far and both losses are by Seton Hall (vs St. John's and @DePaul).
Still nobody is immune to laying a dud on any given week. I got a little carried away, but my point originally meant to be that if we take care of business against the lower tier, which is totally doable, it opens up a lot of possibilities.
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I put St. John's in a bit of a different category than Georgetown, Butler and DePaul. The Johnnies' style, combined with the ability of Champagnie to take over a game, makes them more dangerous IMHO.
Georgetown and Butler are really bad. That better be 4-0. DePaul certainly should be 2-0 ... but we've had some good teams that have lost to some of their bad teams, so I'm always relieved when the games against them are over and we have the W.
Georgetown is losing by an average of 17 points a game in Big East play, will be interesting to see if Ewing can survive this.
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I was going to make a post about being careful because the bottom 4 can sneak up on you...but then I looked and so far that's only true if you are Seton Hall. The top 7 are 18-2 against the bottom 4 so far and both losses are by Seton Hall (vs St. John's and @DePaul).
Seton Hall is now in the bottom 4 - St. John’s moved out.
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I was going to make a post about being careful because the bottom 4 can sneak up on you...but then I looked and so far that's only true if you are Seton Hall. The top 7 are 18-2 against the bottom 4 so far and both losses are by Seton Hall (vs St. John's and @DePaul).
Seton Hall has a sneaky questionable resume. The two marquee wins over preseason #5 Texas and #6 Michigan that lifted them to the top-15 in the country with pundits saying they were going to dethrone Villanova suddenly are wins over a pair of unranked teams closer to the bubble than protected seeds, and losses to DePaul and St. John's don't help matters.
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Seton Hall is now in the bottom 4 - St. John’s moved out.
I wasn't talking about standings. I was talking about the previously mentioned gulf between SJU/DPL/BUT/GTWN and the rest of the league
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I was going to make a post about being careful because the bottom 4 can sneak up on you...but then I looked and so far that's only true if you are Seton Hall. The top 7 are 18-2 against the bottom 4 so far and both losses are by Seton Hall (vs St. John's and @DePaul).
I know its early and it looks like well get a bid. I know we can't play in Milwaukee for the first round so my gut tells me we'll be playing on the West Coast which is where the committee likes to dump us. My question is what is the probability of us playing in Chicago if we make it to the sweet 16. Now wouldn't that be sweet.
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I wasn't talking about standings. I was talking about the previously mentioned gulf between SJU/DPL/BUT/GTWN and the rest of the league
But I think the question is: how big is the "previously discussed gulf" if SH is behind SJU in the league standings at 3-5 and has lost to SJU and DPL? Are we sure it's a 7-4 gulf? Or might it be a 6-5 gulf? SH has three wins in conference: BUT/SJU/UCONN. Tonight could be telling, but I'm not 100% sure which side of the gulf SH is on these days.
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I assume Nova is playing so many games on campus because they are shooting for the Sweet 16 in Phila.
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I assume Nova is playing so many games on campus because they are shooting for the Sweet 16 in Phila.
They are. As long as they play no more than 3 games at Wells-Fargo, they can play there in the Regional Round, though they will have competition for that spot. They probably need to be no worse than the 6th overall seed (or the top 3-seed) to guarantee Philly.
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Now hes got us with another opening round date with Murray State.
Cruel man
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Now hes got us with another opening round date with Murray State.
Cruel man
42 in KenPom 😬
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Now hes got us with another opening round date with Murray State.
Cruel man
Unless Ja is walkin' back through that door, it's just another W for Marquette.
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The Athletic has us as a 5 with a Slick Rick reunion.
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The Athletic has us as a 5 with a Slick Rick reunion.
I rather be a 6 than a 5. Those 5/12 matchups produce a lot of upsets.
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The Athletic has us as a 5 with a Slick Rick reunion.
That would be a ton of fun, but kind of a scary matchup.
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I rather be a 6 than a 5. Those 5/12 matchups produce a lot of upsets.
I’d rather be a 2 or 3. Let’s keep winning!
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That would be a ton of fun, but kind of a scary matchup.
Agree - they have a few guys who dropped down a level in competition to play for Rick. Experienced team with one of the greats on the sidelines. Tough draw.
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Wait..... I've read on this board seeds don't matter, it's a big crap shoot. Sign me up for a 16 seed, because it just don't matter.
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What’s the date today??
Just curious, has any bracket boy been correct on team X with this #seed playing another team with the correct # seed in the correct location???
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What’s the date today??
Just curious, has any bracket boy been correct on team X with this #seed playing another team with the correct # seed in the correct location???
Thanks for posting this. So very true, but I admit I enjoy the "if seeding was done today..." scenarios.
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Wait..... I've read on this board seeds don't matter, it's a big crap shoot. Sign me up for a 16 seed, because it just don't matter.
Crapshoot? Sure. But anyone who says seeds don't matter is gravely mistaken. The higher the seed, the better of a regular season you head and you are more likely to have an easier path to the final four.
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The Athletic has us as a 5 with a Slick Rick reunion.
SBNation has us as a 5 Seed playing the winner of 12 Seed North Carolina or Oregon Winner
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Not only a 5 seed from ESPN, but the top 5 seed. Assuming we'd jump PC with a win Sunday
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1487192660003770369/photo/2
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After I wrote this I see the BM already had this up above. Joe Lunardi has Marquette # 17 in the Country on his S-Curve
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Why does he have two different brackets
He updated his bracket on ESPN today and we are a 6 vs Murray State.
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Wow, date with Karma if we play Murray St..
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It would be nice payback.
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It would be nice payback.
Unless 2019 was just payback for 2012.
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Unless 2019 was just payback for 2012.
The only payback owed because of Murray state is to Wojo and the Hausers. They also owe me two plane fares and hotel.
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Games under Wojo don’t count.
You let your kids color with Sharpies, there will be some accidents.
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Games under Wojo don’t count.
You let your kids color with Sharpies, there will be some accidents.
I had successfully blocked out the Ja Morant game. When I saw Murray State I immediately thought of 2012 and the comment about us looking like a football team.
I’m glad we are getting back to that tough type of team.
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The good news is I woke up during a dream last night that MU was in the NCAA tournament and I was at the game. The bad news is that it was being held in a small high school gym somewhere in the boonies of Iowa and I have no idea how I got there. Really weird.
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bracketville has us as a 4-seed playing in Portland vs S. Dakota St. The 4 is Kentucky and the 1 is Gonzaga.
We are #16, meaning we are the 4th 4, right behind The Provi.
Others of note: Madison 2 seed, Nova 3, MSU 4, X 6, UConn 6, Ill 6, Texas 6, Okla 8, SH 9, Creighton 10 (last 4 byes), ND 1st 4 out.
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bracketville has us as a 4-seed playing in Portland vs S. Dakota St. The 4 is Kentucky and the 1 is Gonzaga.
We are #16, meaning we are the 4th 4, right behind The Provi.
Others of note: Madison 2 seed, Nova 3, MSU 4, X 6, UConn 6, Ill 6, Texas 6, Okla 8, SH 9, Creighton 10 (last 4 byes), ND 1st 4 out.
ND sucks, yo Chili
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I still can’t get over the fact we are talking seeding and a 5 seed right now. My best case at the start of the year was hovering around the bubble.
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I still can’t get over the fact we are talking seeding and a 5 seed right now. My best case at the start of the year was hovering around the bubble.
+1
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bracketville has us as a 4-seed playing in Portland vs S. Dakota St. The 4 is Kentucky and the 1 is Gonzaga.
We are #16, meaning we are the 4th 4, right behind The Provi.
Others of note: Madison 2 seed, Nova 3, MSU 4, X 6, UConn 6, Ill 6, Texas 6, Okla 8, SH 9, Creighton 10 (last 4 byes), ND 1st 4 out.
Don't the top 16 get released soon?
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Don't the top 16 get released soon?
February 19, the first Saturday after Super Bowl Sunday.
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February 19, the first Saturday after Super Bowl Sunday.
Oh farther than I thought, lotta basketball to be played till then
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Don't the top 16 get released soon?
@Providence
Villanova
@UConn
@Butler
Georgetown
Win 3 of those 5 (BU GU and 1 more) and we're in the mix to be in that top 16 reveal. Which is insane considering where we thought this team would be in the offseason.
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@Providence
Villanova
@UConn
@Butler
Georgetown
Win 3 of those 5 (BU GU and 1 more) and we're in the mix to be in that top 16 reveal. Which is insane considering where we thought this team would be in the offseason.
Think we will need 4 to be a top 4.
Win 2 of the next 3 tough ones and don't slip up.
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LSU lost to TCU today.
Love being able to root against top 5 seeds rather than bubble teams.
LSU is the type of team we could battle for seeding
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Sorry for the bad ju ju, but look who Lunardi has us facing :-X :-X
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Sorry for the bad ju ju, but look who Lunardi has us facing :-X :-X
I'm fine with Murray State, but Kentucky in the second round would be a bit scary. Based on the bracket I'm looking at, I'd prefer Houston or Michigan State.
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I'm fine with Murray State, but Kentucky in the second round would be a bit scary. Based on the bracket I'm looking at, I'd prefer Houston or Michigan State.
100%. I want nothign to do with kentucky.
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100%. I want nothign to do with kentucky.
We crush Kentucky in the tourney. It's a tradition.
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I'm fine with Murray State, but Kentucky in the second round would be a bit scary. Based on the bracket I'm looking at, I'd prefer Houston or Michigan State.
Tshiebwe would have 45 rebounds against MU.
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We crush Kentucky in the tourney. It's a tradition.
Yep.
And Murray State no longer has a future NBA All-Star at PG.
Bring 'em on!
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We crush Kentucky in the tourney. It's a tradition.
Tshiebwe would destroy us.
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Tshiebwe would destroy us.
If we faced UK, I think we need to pool our money together to get Tshiebwe an NIL deal to not play us.
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I'm fine with Murray State, but Kentucky in the second round would be a bit scary. Based on the bracket I'm looking at, I'd prefer Houston or Michigan State.
I’m so starved for a tourney win, I wouldn’t care if we saw the Bucks second round.
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I know Lunardi doesn’t consider location really, but it would be fantastic to be put in Indianapolis. Especially for those living in Chicago.
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I’m so starved for a tourney win, I wouldn’t care if we saw the Bucks second round.
2K man-up on The Greek. Bring it!
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I know Lunardi doesn’t consider location really, but it would be fantastic to be put in Indianapolis. Especially for those living in Chicago.
Indianapolis to Chicago Regional would be a dream.
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Indianapolis to Chicago Regional would be a dream.
+1000
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a 5 seed playing Iona in Buffalo with the winner playing the winner of Tennessee Versus Drake
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5 seed as of right now, I could honestly see us being a Sweet 16 seeed in this position. Beating Iona and Tennessee, and Purdue has been upset twice already this season (Rutgers and Indiana), two teams I believe were better than.
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5 seed as of right now, I could honestly see us being a Sweet 16 seeed in this position. Beating Iona and Tennessee, and Purdue has been upset twice already this season (Rutgers and Indiana), two teams I believe were better than.
Fun fact, if you hold Purdue below 70pts you're guaranteed to win.
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Fun fact, if you hold Purdue below 70pts you're guaranteed to win.
Good luck rebounding against that 7-foot-four giant though.
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Good luck rebounding against that 7-foot-four giant though.
It would be an interesting matchup. They're great offensively, but they don't guard anyone. I think Violence would work pretty well against them. Their losses have mostly been to teams that dirty the game up.
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Purdue and Gonzaga are the only teams that scare me
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Good luck rebounding against that 7-foot-four giant though.
Trevion Williams is the one I worry about more on the glass.
But pressing the hell outta purdue and making their guards handle the ball a lot really frustrates them in games. We could be a tough match up
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Trevion Williams is the one I worry about more on the glass.
But pressing the hell outta purdue and making their guards handle the ball a lot really frustrates them in games. We could be a tough match up
Yeah their PG is a weak spot for them
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I would prefer a 6 seed to a 5.
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Purdue's two headed post monster would dominate down low. Like Joplin guarding 7' dominate. Don't like that match up at all.
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With our mad rebounding skills, we'd crush Purdue on the boards!
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Purdue's two headed post monster would dominate down low. Like Joplin guarding 7' dominate. Don't like that match up at all.
Maybe, but they are beatable. Wisconsin just threw fouls at them, Indiana beat them mostly with small ball (TJD only played 11 minutes), and while they dominated Rutgers, the rest of the team didn't do enough to get the win. Purdue doesn't really play fast, so I think we harass their guards (turnovers is their offensive weakness), make them use the entire shot clock, and have confidence in our offense. We'd definitely be an underdog, but if we got a big night from Morsell or Justin and dirtied up the game, we'd have a shot.
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Maybe, but they are beatable. Wisconsin just threw fouls at them, Indiana beat them mostly with small ball (TJD only played 11 minutes), and while they dominated Rutgers, the rest of the team didn't do enough to get the win. Purdue doesn't really play fast, so I think we harass their guards (turnovers is their offensive weakness), make them use the entire shot clock, and have confidence in our offense. We'd definitely be an underdog, but if we got a big night from Morsell or Justin and dirtied up the game, we'd have a shot.
IU beat them at home getting home cooking. UW has the bodies to throw at them. MU doesn't. I mean, maybe MU can pressure the guards enough to break up the offense, a la the first half against Providence. But Watson is smaller than both of the Purdue posts. Just sayin'.
But, getting that far means MU will have finished strong and eventually you have to play the top seeds. So, why not Purdue? Lace 'em up and have at 'em. Sounds like fun.
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IU beat them at home getting home cooking. UW has the bodies to throw at them. MU doesn't. I mean, maybe MU can pressure the guards enough to break up the offense, a la the first half against Providence. But Watson is smaller than both of the Purdue posts. Just sayin'.
But, getting that far means MU will have finished strong and eventually you have to play the top seeds. So, why not Purdue? Lace 'em up and have at 'em. Sounds like fun.
Having grown up in the Chicago area, I sometimes say "Go for it! The worst that can happen is that you lose. Unless you're dealing with the Mafia of course."
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Maybe, but they are beatable. Wisconsin just threw fouls at them, Indiana beat them mostly with small ball (TJD only played 11 minutes), and while they dominated Rutgers, the rest of the team didn't do enough to get the win. Purdue doesn't really play fast, so I think we harass their guards (turnovers is their offensive weakness), make them use the entire shot clock, and have confidence in our offense. We'd definitely be an underdog, but if we got a big night from Morsell or Justin and dirtied up the game, we'd have a shot.
Purdue has an all world offense and can beat you several different ways. Their bigs have been mentioned, but jaden ivey is a legit pro player and opens up so much for them.
Defense is another issue. As good as their offense is, their defense allows anyone to stay in games with them. They’re just a poor defensive unit.
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But, getting that far means MU will have finished strong and eventually you have to play the top seeds. So, why not Purdue? Lace 'em up and have at 'em. Sounds like fun.
Exactly. It's hard enough on Feb. 1 to predict what seed we'll end up with; it's just a wild guess projecting our NCAAT opponents. Might as well put on a blindfold and throw a dart at a board.
I expect our first-round opponent will make things difficult for us -- just as Holy Cross did in 2003 and Davidson did in 2013 to Marquette teams that were better than this one -- and then I would expect every opponent after that to get progressively better.
I file all that in the "good problems to have" category.
But sure, the whole purpose of Lunardi now updating his bracket every nanosecond, and all the other bracketmeisters constantly doing there thing, is to keep us checking and conversating. Mission accomplished!
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To put our run into perspective
Im listening to After Dark with Fanta, RC and Prohm
They are doing blind resumes. Holy hell these bubble teams have god awful resumes.
They all got like 1-2 Q1 wins. Like 1-5 type records.
Weve played 12 and won 7. Crazy.
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Protected seed, here we come!
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Marquette is the last number 4 seed with Lunardi today.
Some others that do daily rNkings have Marquette as the 2nd best 4 seed as of today.
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To put our run into perspective
Im listening to After Dark with Fanta, RC and Prohm
They are doing blind resumes. Holy hell these bubble teams have god awful resumes.
They all got like 1-2 Q1 wins. Like 1-5 type records.
Weve played 12 and won 7. Crazy.
I was disappointed with that segment, as you can't really do blind resumes without at least some numerical context (NET, kenpom, Strength of Record, etc). Even if he just gave the NET, it would help. I mean, while UNC doesn't have any Q1 wins, they are also top-44 in EVERY metric the Selection Committee looks at. There's a reason they are in 85% of brackets and it's not just because of the name on the front of the jersey.
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I was disappointed with that segment, as you can't really do blind resumes without at least some numerical context (NET, kenpom, Strength of Record, etc). Even if he just gave the NET, it would help. I mean, while UNC doesn't have any Q1 wins, they are also top-44 in EVERY metric the Selection Committee looks at. There's a reason they are in 85% of brackets and it's not just because of the name on the front of the jersey.
Oh yeah the segement as a whole was flawed leaving out the computer numbers.
But UNC is still a big bubble team I think Lunardi has them near the last 4 in. And it was just eye popping hearing some of the Q1 and Q2 stats of these teams.
The amount weve played and also won is impressive. We have benefitted a bit by having ours front loaded. Not many Q1s left for us til BET
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2 of our next 7 are Q1, at UCONN and at Creighton if they can keep that NET up for us. Rest'll be Q2 on the road Q3 at home most likely. EXcept georgetown at home will be Q4 of all things.
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What a great thread talking about seedings as opposed to: "Will <you know who> Be Back Next Season?" or "Give Him 5 Years".
I love it! This is what MU basketball should be.
That's all.
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What a great thread talking about seedings as opposed to: "Will <you know who> Be Back Next Season?" or "Give Him 5 Years".
I love it! This is what MU basketball should be.
That's all.
Amen to that!
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Purdue and Gonzaga are the only teams that scare me
You obviously have not watched Auburn play. That’s one tough team!
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this auburn team is the most complete team ive watched in recent history
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Auburn is the real deal. They remind me of what MU is going to look like in a couple of years. They are fun to watch, and I would love to play them.
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Up to a 4 seed, past Nova
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Auburn is the real deal. They remind me of what MU is going to look like in a couple of years. They are fun to watch, and I would love to play them.
Hahaha that wording made me laugh. Here's to hoping
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Palm has us as a 4 and ISU as the 5.
I thought that was juicy before ISU had another offensively inept game.
They may have the most rancid offense of all time for a ranked team
Unfortuntely I do not see any way their 3-7 conference record keeps them in a seed position where we could play them.
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That dang banked in 3 by Texas helped knock us off Lunardi’s 4 Seed Line
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That dang banked in 3 by Texas helped knock us off Lunardi’s 4 Seed Line
Today has us as a 6
2nd round rematch with ucla
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Creighton among last 4 in.
Moserama -- Loyola and Oklahoma -- among last 4 byes.
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Marquette is still a 5 seed on Bracket Matrix. But it will be hard to maintain that. No games until the BET that would really improve our seed, and any losses open the door for teams to pass us.
I'm thinking a 6 seed, barring a BET run.
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Marquette is still a 5 seed on Bracket Matrix. But it will be hard to maintain that. No games until the BET that would really improve our seed, and any losses open the door for teams to pass us.
I'm thinking a 6 seed, barring a BET run.
It was fun to see the 4 and 5 seed predictions and the 5 seed could still happen but all along, I have not taken the projections seriously. There are still more than enough games left in the BE as well as other conferences to affect our seeding. Agree that 6 seed is a good guess.
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It was fun to see the 4 and 5 seed predictions and the 5 seed could still happen but all along, I have not taken the projections seriously. There are still more than enough games left in the BE as well as other conferences to affect our seeding. Agree that 6 seed is a good guess.
I think 6 is most likely as well, but we're still in play for a 4. Winning out would put MU at 22-8, possibly picking up another Q1 and a couple more Q2 wins along the way.
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Lunardi has usually been wrong about
where MU gets seeded in the past ...
If he thinks MU is a 6 today, I will go with a 5
They just need to bounce back and beat Butler tomorrow. Go from there
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Marquette is still a 5 seed on Bracket Matrix. But it will be hard to maintain that. No games until the BET that would really improve our seed, and any losses open the door for teams to pass us.
I'm thinking a 6 seed, barring a BET run.
I disagree. The teams around us have a number of 50/50 type games, some against each other. This time of year, if you keep winning, you move up more because other teams are moving down rather than just your own results. I think the 4/5 lines are most likely at this point. Even 4-2 probably leaves us a 6 at worst.
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I disagree. The teams around us have a number of 50/50 type games, some against each other. This time of year, if you keep winning, you move up more because other teams are moving down rather than just your own results. I think the 4/5 lines are most likely at this point. Even 4-2 probably leaves us a 6 at worst.
Thanks for the info Brew! This is encouraging. So our upside chances are probably better than our downside chances? Love it!.
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IF we take care of business down the stretch we very much are in play for the 4/5 seeds.
If we did go 6-0(not counting on it) I would be pretty stunned if we were not on the 4 line.
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The Athletic has MU as a 4 seed.
4
Marquette
13
Chattanooga*
Buffalo
5
Ohio State
12
Iona*
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CBS bracketology has MU as a 4 seed,
w / a 2d round game v. Texas ...
Sounds perfect
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Thanks for the info Brew! This is encouraging. So our upside chances are probably better than our downside chances? Love it!.
If MU went 4-2 and then lost their first BE tourney game, they'd move down to a 7-8 seed.
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The teams around us have a number of 50/50 type games, some against each other. This time of year, if you keep winning, you move up more because other teams are moving down rather than just your own results.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's not as if Marquette operates in a vacuum.
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If MU went 4-2 and then lost their first BE tourney game, they'd move down to a 7-8 seed.
So it is written, so it is done.
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I disagree. The teams around us have a number of 50/50 type games, some against each other. This time of year, if you keep winning, you move up more because other teams are moving down rather than just your own results. I think the 4/5 lines are most likely at this point. Even 4-2 probably leaves us a 6 at worst.
I'm fully expecting a 4-2 finish. There will be on head scratching loss where Marquette doesn't play there best, and another where the opponent just can't miss.
I'm expecting one of Uconn and Xavier to pass us. I'm also expecting one of Ohio St, Alabama, and LSU to pass us.
I also think Texas sneaks past us on the S-Curve, which would put Marquette as the top 6 seed in Bracket Matrix.
Marquette has very little margin for error when it comes to staying on the 5 line before the BET. But the BET could moves us back up a line with a win or two.
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If MU went 4-2 and then lost their first BE tourney game, they'd move down to a 7-8 seed.
It's possible, but my guess is we would still be a 6 at that point, but probably one of the last 6s. I think 6-7 would be more accurate to say than 7-8.
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I'd rather be a 6 and not face a 1 until the E8. I very much like our chances to beat an 11, 3 and 2, even without upsets
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There will be on head scratching loss where Marquette doesn't play there best, and another where the opponent just can't miss.
The Wojo Tax is real.
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The Wojo Tax is real.
Crean and Buzz had clunkers, too.
But now that I think about it, UConn couldn't miss so we may have gotten that game out of the way.
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Still a 5 seed at Bracketville today
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/seed-list/
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Still a 5 seed at Bracketville today
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/seed-list/
Nope. That loss not only knocked us out of this year's tournament, but next year's too.
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Nope. That loss not only knocked us out of this year's tournament, but next year's too.
Perma ban? I just think think the team is tired...
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The Athletic has MU as a 5 seed in Buffalo with Kansas as the 1 seed.
https://theathletic.com/3131832/2022/02/18/bracket-watch-what-can-net-history-tell-us-about-teams-like-rutgers-iowa-and-north-carolina/
4
Ohio State
13
Vermont*
5
Marquette
12
Chattanooga*
Bracketville has MU as a 5 seed in Pittsburgh with Auburn as the 1 Seed/
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
Pittsburgh
5) Marquette
12) DAVIDSON
4) Tennessee
13) CHATTANOOGA
Lunardi has MU as a 7
FORT WORTH
7
Marquette
10
Loyola Chicago - aq
2
Texas Tech
15
Long Beach St. - aq
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Lunardi has Marquette as the best 7 seed.
Bracketville has Marquette as the worst 5 seed.
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The Athletic has MU as a 5 seed in Buffalo with Kansas as the 1 seed.
https://theathletic.com/3131832/2022/02/18/bracket-watch-what-can-net-history-tell-us-about-teams-like-rutgers-iowa-and-north-carolina/
4
Ohio State
13
Vermont*
5
Marquette
12
Chattanooga*
Bracketville has MU as a 5 seed in Pittsburgh with Auburn as the 1 Seed/
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/
Pittsburgh
5) Marquette
12) DAVIDSON
4) Tennessee
13) CHATTANOOGA
Lunardi has MU as a 7
FORT WORTH
7
Marquette
10
Loyola Chicago - aq
2
Texas Tech
15
Long Beach St. - aq
just don’t want the RED Hoard from Dane Cty to get a 3 or 4 seed and play at Fiserv.
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just don’t want the RED Hoard from Dane Cty to get a 3 or 4 seed and play at Fiserv.
Barring a collapse, that's going to happen. Best come to peace with it.
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And get tickets now so you can rape that very same RED horde on the resale market once the pairings are announced.
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I actually like Lunardi's 7th seed.
We play Loyola of Chicago in his bracket, which I'd love. We win, we play Texas Tech, which is doable and gets us to the Sweet 16.
It's in Fort Worth, which is a whole lot more doable than San Diego or Portland.
So we can see, but I'm excited. I really like playing Loyola and Texas Tech.
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Barring a collapse, that's going to happen. Best come to peace with it.
Yep! I’m excited for them to get placed in MKE. Gonna resell that session for sure.
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Barring a collapse, that's going to happen. Best come to peace with it.
Agreed. They will be playing in Milwaukee.
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I actually like Lunardi's 7th seed.
We play Loyola of Chicago in his bracket, which I'd love. We win, we play Texas Tech, which is doable and gets us to the Sweet 16.
It's in Fort Worth, which is a whole lot more doable than San Diego or Portland.
So we can see, but I'm excited. I really like playing Loyola and Texas Tech.
Leg is a lawyer and doable is his trademark. Cease and desist....
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I actually like Lunardi's 7th seed.
We play Loyola of Chicago in his bracket, which I'd love. We win, we play Texas Tech, which is doable and gets us to the Sweet 16.
It's in Fort Worth, which is a whole lot more doable than San Diego or Portland.
So we can see, but I'm excited. I really like playing Loyola and Texas Tech.
Since I’m 15 minutes from Ft Worth, I will take it. I still don’t think MU is going to end up here.
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As expected, not in the committees top 19.
Having said that, two of the teams right on the 4/5 bubble already lost today. Bama and Texas.
Beat Creighton and hopefully start working our way back up.
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Wisconsin 13th, as the top 4 seed. That may not be enough to get Milwaukee. It would depend where other teams are placed first.
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UW will play in MKE . Book it.
It makes me want to puke, but it will
happen.
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Providence 30 net rank in top 16
Wisconsin 20 net rank in top 16
overall Marquette might be closer to a 4 seed with some wins
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Bracketville has Marquette as the best 7 seed this morning.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/seed-list/
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Alright, lets win three more and get up to a 6!
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Bracketville has Marquette as the best 7 seed this morning.
https://bracketville.wordpress.com/seed-list/
Bracket Matrix also has MU as the top 7 seed.
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Joe Lunardi has Marquette as the best 7 seed today and # 25 in his S Curve
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I posted this in a different thread, but given that we have played Providence, Wisconsin, Illinois, UCLA, and Villanova (all likely 3/4 seeds) it is going to be VERY difficult for the committee to put us on the 5/6 lines.
7 seems more and more likely every day
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I posted this in a different thread, but given that we have played Providence, Wisconsin, Illinois, UCLA, and Villanova (all likely 3/4 seeds) it is going to be VERY difficult for the committee to put us on the 5/6 lines.
7 seems more and more likely every day
Is that as big of a consideration? I feel like second round rematches haven’t been totally uncommon lately?
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Is that as big of a consideration? I feel like second round rematches haven’t been totally uncommon lately?
They have rules around conference opponents meeting and try to avoid in-season rematches in the first round, but there's no reason we couldn't see UCLA, Illinois, or Wisconsin in the second round.
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I posted this in a different thread, but given that we have played Providence, Wisconsin, Illinois, UCLA, and Villanova (all likely 3/4 seeds) it is going to be VERY difficult for the committee to put us on the 5/6 lines.
7 seems more and more likely every day
Probably have to win the next three to climb into the 5s or 6s at this point. Or 2/3 a nice run in the BET.
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Palm has us as 7 vs San Fran in Texas (tamu is pumped! ;) ) Kansas as second round.
Bracketville has us as a 7 against Miami in Indy. Purdue as second round.
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Top 8 seed at Bracketville.
8 seed on ESPN's update today.
Guess that DePaul loss didn't drop us to a 9...
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6 … to a 7 … to an 8 … to … ?
It would be really nice to beat SJU and win at least one in the BET , and get back to a 7.
Hope I am wrong … but I just don’t see it.
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Mock selection committee makes MU a 7 seed.
https://twitter.com/2022MockBB/status/1499938320842903556?s=20&t=RQmumKtiLnycaJvLKzQa9w
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Top 8 seed at Bracketville.
8 seed on ESPN's update today.
Guess that DePaul loss didn't drop us to a 9...
There is no practical difference between an 8 or a 9 seed. None. You may as well put the names of those 8 teams in a hat and draw the matchups randomly. And then the 4 winners get the privilege of playing a 1 seed.
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Mock selection committee makes MU a 7 seed.
https://twitter.com/2022MockBB/status/1499938320842903556?s=20&t=RQmumKtiLnycaJvLKzQa9w
I think they should be mocked
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a 7 seed playing 10 seed Miami in Greenville. Winner to face Auburn Colgate Winner.
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Today Joe Lunardi has Marquette as a 7 seed playing 10 seed Miami in Greenville. Winner to face Auburn Colgate Winner.
Miami, good
Auburn, bad
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Jerry palm has mu 9 seed playing tcu and then 1 seed auburn
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Bracketville
MU 7 vs Miami 10
Kentucky the 2 seed.
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Miami, good
Auburn, bad
Not only Auburn bad, but Pearl hated that Marquette would not play UWM when he was coach there. If he holds a grudge for years, that does not help us. Also, McKillop complained for years about Davidson's loss to Marquette. Same comment about grudges, but yes-I know-it will be almost entirely about the game/team/matchups etc. regardless of who the opponents are.
Let's hope we get a first round win. If so, with likely 7-8 seeding it will be no day at the beach no matter who our second round opponent will be. We've surprised a few high level teams and just might do it again. Be happy that we are in the NCAAT and hope for the best.
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Yahoo's Michael Lazerus has MU as a #7, opening against San Francisco. Second-round matchup would be Duke.
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/bigboard/
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Not only Auburn bad, but Pearl hated that Marquette would not play UWM when he was coach there. If he holds a grudge for years, that does not help us. Also, McKillop complained for years about Davidson's loss to Marquette. Same comment about grudges, but yes-I know-it will be almost entirely about the game/team/matchups etc. regardless of who the opponents are.
Let's hope we get a first round win. If so, with likely 7-8 seeding it will be no day at the beach no matter who our second round opponent will be. We've surprised a few high level teams and just might do it again. Be happy that we are in the NCAAT and hope for the best.
Well the upside is if we make it past the first round games to S16 we play in Chicago. However, I think committee will put us in the West on selection Sunday.
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Joe Lunardi has Marquette at #28 in his latest S Curve
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https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/1500923431377768449?s=21
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So is a 6 pretty much out of reach at this point barring a BE championship?
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So is a 6 pretty much out of reach at this point barring a BE championship?
That would be my thought. It kind of depends where we are now. However, I don’t think wins against Creighton and Providence move the needle enough to get us to a 6.
Although, there’s a little part of me that thinks we are more a solid 7 seed rather than 8/9. I think our Q1/Q2 wins will stand out amongst the teams around us.
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OR
So a 6 pretty much guaranteed at this point when we win the BE championship!
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Purely from a probability standpoint, #9 seeds have outperformed #8 seeds in terms of advancing to Round 2. The odds of advancing to the S16 as a #7 seed are significantly higher than a #8 seed:
https://www.boydsbets.com/bracket-tips-by-seed/
Stay at the #7 and all is good.
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Beat Creighton and lock in the 7.
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Beat Creighton and lock in the 7.
Mmmmmm that is how I feel too.
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Looks like to get to 7 we need to win at least 2 in BEast tourney. Win the tourney would be better. Should get us to 5,
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If the NCAA wants an attractive match-up that will draw outstandingly well, go for Marquette to the Indianapolis site in the Lunardi match-ups and have us play Notre Dame.
I'd kill for that game!!
Well, not literally but damn would that be fun. Move USC to Greenville and send us to Indy!
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Joe Lunardi did a new Bracketology today and not much changed. Appears he will do new Bracketologies Daily until Selection Sunday.
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Lunardi can't even get a decent hairpiece why are we wasting cyberspace discussing his brackets?
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NCAA.com has MU as an 8 in the Midwest with a first-round matchup against Michigan (Hunter Dickinson would be a problem).
#1 seed is Arizona.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-03-08/bracketology-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament-projections-five-days-selection
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NCAA.com has MU as an 8 in the Midwest with a first-round matchup against Michigan (Hunter Dickinson would be a problem).
#1 seed is Arizona.
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-03-08/bracketology-ncaa-mens-basketball-tournament-projections-five-days-selection
Andy Katz has 6 from the Big East in.
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With MU tanking at the end of the season and having their seed drop (which I was right about), every opponent will look like a bad matchup.
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With MU tanking at the end of the season and having their seed drop (which I was right about), every opponent will look like a bad matchup.
Vadgers lost to Nebraska.
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Vadgers Rodents lost to Nebraska.
FIFY
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With MU tanking at the end of the season and having their seed drop (which I was right about), every opponent will look like a bad matchup.
You do realize MU has an 8 game home win streak. Not Al length home win streak, but not tanking either.
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You do realize MU has an 8 game home win streak. Not Al length home win streak, but not tanking either.
Don't feed the dummy troll
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These are the rankings of Bracketology accuracy at both picking the NCAA Field, and, seeding, for the past 5 years:
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
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These are the rankings of Bracketology accuracy at both picking the NCAA Field, and, seeding, for the past 5 years:
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Way awesome!! Thanks for sharing that. Did a quick top 10 ranked people to see where MU is:
7 seed: 4
8 seed: 5
9 seed: 1
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These are the rankings of Bracketology accuracy at both picking the NCAA Field, and, seeding, for the past 5 years:
http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
Is this Oak Creek one a Scooper? Oak Creek's March Madness
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Is this Oak Creek one a Scooper? Oak Creek's March Madness
If he is, he is a colossal putz.
He has MU playing Creighton in the first round. 8v9.
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Way awesome!! Thanks for sharing that. Did a quick top 10 ranked people to see where MU is:
7 seed: 4
8 seed: 5
9 seed: 1
Sure.
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If he is, he is a colossal putz.
He has MU playing Creighton in the first round. 8v9.
I know him. He just seeds teams and doesn’t adjust for conference. He’s not the place to go to for matchups but his seeding has been pretty good
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If he is, he is a colossal putz.
He has MU playing Creighton in the first round. 8v9.
Some of those are hilarious to read. Though that's why I hate doing full brackets, so many rules to adhere to (though teams from the same conference that played three times during the season meeting in the first round is a pretty easy one to avoid).
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I know him. He just seeds teams and doesn’t adjust for conference. He’s not the place to go to for matchups but his seeding has been pretty good
Well I am sorry for calling him names then.
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Some of those are hilarious to read. Though that's why I hate doing full brackets, so many rules to adhere to (though teams from the same conference that played three times during the season meeting in the first round is a pretty easy one to avoid).
Yeah there’s a few head scratchers in there.
But let’s be honest. If I did one, the amount of people that would be like “yo… wtf is this dude doing???” Would be large.
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Well I am sorry for calling him names then.
Don’t be. I call him a lot of names, too
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Joe Lunardi has Marquette as an 8 seed playing 9 seed Murray State in Fort Worth with the winner playing the winner of Long Beach State Or Kansas. In Chicago Midwest Regional
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Joe Lunardi has Marquette as an 8 seed playing 9 seed Murray State in Fort Worth with the winner playing the winner of Long Beach State Or Kansas. In Chicago Midwest Regional
how many time are we gonna get matched with Murray St..lol i know nothing about them this year they seem to get in a decent amount for a smaller school
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Joe Lunardi has Marquette as an 8 seed playing 9 seed Murray State in Fort Worth with the winner playing the winner of Long Beach State Or Kansas. In Chicago Midwest Regional
*PTSD intensifies*
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Talk about limping into the dance…my God we’re leaking oil man and these middies play like there hair is on fire
Shaka needs to have “that talk” with the boys
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I think MU has played Murray St at least a few times
The WOJO / JA debacle
One time w / Buzz .. and (?)
I don’t want to play them ( they are hot, motivated and would love to take down
a “ big “ name )
Of course, at the rate of this collapse I don’t want to watch MU play anyone
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Bracketville also has us as an 8 now.
vs San Diego state.
1 seed Baylor in Texas.
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I think MU has played Murray St at least a few times
The WOJO / JA debacle
One time w / Buzz .. and (?)
I don’t want to play them ( they are hot, motivated and would love to take down
a “ big “ name )
Of course, at the rate of this collapse I don’t want to watch MU play anyone
Then don’t
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Joe Lunardi Tweet
https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/1502786419311484936?s=21
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Providence is not a top 4 seed?? I know Lunardi is not so good at his job but that makes no sense. They won a top 4 conference.
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Providence is not a top 4 seed?? I know Lunardi is not so good at his job but that makes no sense. They won a top 4 conference.
They suck that’s why
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They suck that’s why
Well when you breakdown the analytics with depth of data, how can I argue?
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Well when you breakdown the analytics with depth of data, how can I argue?
They’re 48 on Kenpom. Same reason Wisconsin might end up being a 4
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Texas A&M should be in over Xavier all day, every day at this stage. One team totally collapsed down the stretch, the other caught fire.
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Texas A&M should be in over Xavier all day, every day at this stage. One team totally collapsed down the stretch, the other caught fire.
“Down the stretch” no Matta, per rule
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The stretch run was a previous measuring stick. Now teams are selected in better fashion - a comprehensive evaluation of their season resume.
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If the committee doesn't reward the hot teams, then the tourney will be watered down which will piss off a lot of people. Then they will have to change back next year. I agree A&M would wipe out Xavier.
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If the committee doesn't reward the hot teams, then the tourney will be watered down which will piss off a lot of people. Then they will have to change back next year. I agree A&M would wipe out Xavier.
Agree. I still think that despite the "rule" not saying last 10 matta, that the committee does in fact have that conversation when debating the last 4 in...
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If the committee doesn't reward the hot teams, then the tourney will be watered down which will piss off a lot of people. Then they will have to change back next year. I agree A&M would wipe out Xavier.
It’s been this way for years, so welcome to the party, I guess
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I’ll take a 10
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not sure how much weight KenPom holds w/ the committee but A&M is 42, X is 60 and we are 46
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not sure how much weight KenPom holds w/ the committee but A&M is 42, X is 60 and we are 46
It's roughly 1/6th of the seeding value, but has less impact on selection.
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They suck that’s why
PC a 4 seed. That didn't age well ;)
Just kidding. I understand where you were coming from.
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PC a 4 seed. That didn't age well ;)
Just kidding. I understand where you were coming from.
Providence better be ready to makes some baskets. South Dakota State’s offense is the real deal